Warrant From Unpaid Hotel Bill?

[meatboy]

what i cant understand in these situations is,

you must of known you was running out of money,

so why didnt you go home before it all ran out??

simple, or is it me,

and as for the hotel asking for 5,000bht i think there right to do so, you just leave the room take the key and the aircon remote,(whats that about) and think they are only going to charge you 1 nite, your in a dream,

like they say many many people staying at hoels go out for days going on trips ect, so they kept your room open for you,

i dont see the problem there,

i used to do it regular in patts.80's always paid for 7days advance,once you can be trusted the hotels are fine,so whatever they want pay them and a bunch of flowers and apologise,and next time if you cant afford the lifestyle dont come here.was there any bar bills and i exspect you left some girl without paying her.people like you give farangs a bad name one reason we get ripped off,after 30yrs.i have seen plenty do what you have done a few weeks at the bkk.hilton will sort you out.first trip so make it the last.sorry i am being harsh but i have seen enough of blokes with their brains in their trousers.

[smile2life]

i remember that when i check to any hotel in Pattaya i give a deposit of 1000 Bhat. cant the hotel use this deposit?

[pauljones]

come on man! the hotel wrote this of long ago...

Exactly. The hotel would need a judgement in Civil Court before Immigration was involved, no?

That VISA Company was playing games.

[Fgis]

You won't have problems for this time...

but this time trip was not so good and last time you left without paying your hotel ?

And you are now overstaying ?

Are you sure that you are not a serial trouble maker ?

Just my opinion...

Edited August 19, 2012 by Fgis

[asdecas]

1. Pay what the hotel is asking - what they say may or may not be true, what is important is that they are satisfied that the matter is cleared up and that you have a receipt to clear the debt.

2. As regards the "watchlist" and the visa company, yes they are probably trying to scam you (it is NOT extortion - a completely different animal). Your mistake was to involve them and give them the opening in the first place - into which they duly jumped. My advice? Ignore them and have no further contact.

3. Keep a legal and low profile between now and when your flight leaves, prepare your overstay money and be upfront when you meet immigration at Swampy. Carry the receipt from the hotel but do not volunteer it! Only present it if the watchlist complication arises. I'd say the chances are better than 95% that you will sail through with no problem.

[BOBBYTIN]

That is how it normally works, but you have waited 2 years. That might or might not make a difference. But normally charges are dropt if you come to an agreement with the hotel.

That sounds like that would be ok but the big issue is that he is on overstay,that could be a problem?

the american embassy should be able to give advice. try them.

[pointoffew]

To sum things up:

[1] By leaving your clothes and personal belongings in the room and taking the "key with the air conditioner sensor" (whatever that may be), you deliberately deceived the hotel to believe that you would return, this you admit. Hence they kept the room for you, which is quite likely, given that you had stayed there for 2 months and had paid for those 2 months, so you were a trustworthy customer.

[2] You now have enough money to pay "a company that deals with visa overstays" (you surely paid a retainer), insisting that they do a warrant check to ensure that leaving the country without paying the money you OWE the hotel will not be an issue.

[3] You are asking TV members for advise...

My advice: study ethics.

Others may, but I won't be your accomplice.

[lopburi3]

Personal attack flame removed.

[Fgis]

Check your self here.

http://pcscenter.sb.....th/eprint.html

Man, my Norton 360 AntiVirus/Firewall started flashing lights and sirens not to visit above web site...the Norton 360 report said above Thai Police website had 16 computer threats, with 13 of them being viruses.

555... who still uses Norton in 2012 !!!

[jvs]

Op,just man up! You are not doing this because it is the right thing to do but because you are worried you might be in trouble,go to the hotel yourself(but not alone) apologize and pay the bill.

Get it sorted and move on and hopefully another lesson learned.

[Fgis]

Last thing, it's so clear that he won't have any problem for such a small debt 2 years ago that I don't understand why it's even worth talking about this...

[gerger]

Check your self here.

http://pcscenter.sb.....th/eprint.html

Man, my Norton 360 AntiVirus/Firewall started flashing lights and sirens not to visit above web site...the Norton 360 report said above Thai Police website had 16 computer threats, with 13 of them being viruses.

same

[robblok]

Last thing, it's so clear that he won't have any problem for such a small debt 2 years ago that I don't understand why it's even worth talking about this...

Of course its not about doing the right thing, he is trying to save himself. If he knew there was no watch list the hotel would have lost the money.

[Svengoolie]

Just curious.....no offense intended, but are you a hippie backpacker? How do you overstay for 2 years and not have enough to pay a 5,000 Baht hotel bill? What did you live on for those 2 years? Maybe the time to ask your family for money was back then when you owed the hotel 700 baht. Instead, you ditched out on a bill, and go on a forum to ask people how to not get arrested...as if your issue was ONLY that of being caught. You had two years to pay, and you didn't....now you are worried. Hmmmmm....no sympathy here pal.

[OZEMADE]

Unfortunately my first trip to Thailand has not been as pleasurable as I had hoped. I trusted the wrong person, and have had a very difficult time as a result. I am planning on leaving Thailand in the next few weeks and I am concerned that an unpaid hotel bill that I had when I ran out of money almost 2 years ago, may come back to haunt me.

1^st trip Thailand, leaving Thailand in the next few weeks.

Trusted wrong person, ran out of money almost 2 yrs ago.

Is this your Business partner. What sort of business.

So you stayed in the hotel for over a month, you ran out of money almost 2 yrs ago and you plan on leaving in a few weeks. By my calculations, that would put you here for over 2 yrs.

I stayed at that hotel in Pattaya for over a month before I ran out of money. The entire bill was paid except for the last day. When the last day came, I had no cash and no where to go. I simply left my clothes and some personal possessions in the room. (the items had basicly no value) I also had the key with the air conditioner sensor still in my pocket when I left. Hotel rate was 700 baht per day.

Stayed in hotel over a month, owed 1 day rent.

Knowing this, why did you not check out the day before and leave their key and A/C remote.

What are the chances that there is an actual police record of this? I have heard that Thai police do not file charges unless they are paid to do so. Should I be concerned that this incident will cause me a problem when I pay my overstay and try to leave the country?

You have obviously checked and found out about the overstay and how much your sister has to pay?

I did not expect to live through this experience when I ran out of money. Fortunately, I was able to make it with the help of a very special Thai woman who gave me food and a place to live. She is actually the step daughter of the American business partner who screwed me over. She is 25 year old factory worker and I am 50. Our relationship is strictly platonic. She is like a daughter to me. I was also able to make a few bucks on my own for survival money.

Thai lady free food and rent. Did you ever give her any cash from the money you made.

Step Daughter of your Business Partner that screwed you over.

Made some money on your own. Why not pay the money to the hotel 2 yrs ago.

I am in contact with a sister of mine who I have not seen for many years. She has generously offered to put up the money for the overstay fine and the return ticket to get me back. Airline tickets are very expensive though and we cannot afford to make any mistakes that would prevent me from leaving, and lose my airline ticket. Have to do this right.

Sister in USA paying overstay and return air ticket. I think she can kiss her money good bye.

I have sent an email to the hotel, but I have noticed in the past that Thai businesses often don't respond to emails. I will call the hotel today if I don't get any response.

Just a little side note. I have been very concerned about this issue over the last few weeks as I prepare to leave Thailand. I contacted a company that deals with visa overstays and told them about this issue. I insisted that they do a warrant check for me to ensure that this will not be an issue. A few days later they called me back and told me that the warrant check came back with my name being on the "watchlist". He told me that it would cost me 100,000 baht to have the officier remove my name from the "watchlist".

You insisted on this company doing the check.

Forget about the Bt100,000 to get off the watch list. How did you pay them to do the check for you. This service would not be free?

They did the check and it came back that you are on the watch list. So obviously, the hotel did have your passport records on file for you to be on the watch list.

I sent an email to the hotel asking them to look up the debt and I just got their response which is posted below;

Hi, that is really a friendly email. It happens that sometimes customer go outside for a trip and come back after several days. As you had left the hotel and we were not informed that you will never come back, we kept your room 7 days available for you, that means, we lost 4.830 Bath.

Regards

Bt700 x 7 days = 4900 + A/C Remote + 1 x Room Key, at least another Bt 1500. So approx Bt6400 owing.

I personally think the email is a crock, one you made up yourself, trying to explain away your actions. Hence the little suicide touch in a later post.

So they are asking for almost 5,000 baht, which was alot more than I was expecting to pay, but I know that I have to get this taken care of.

Do you think that a reasonable solution would be to offer to pay 1,000 baht on the debt right away and make two monthly payments of 2,500 baht after I get back to the U.S. from income that I will have as soon as I get back home.

You have sister who can pay overstay, air ticket, but she can’t pay the hotel bill?

And after over 2 yrs you can’t scrape together the hotel bill?

If they agree, I will have copys of the agreement that we made. copys of emails exchanged and a receipt from them for the first cash payment of 1,000 baht. That will show immigration that I am making every effort to fix the problem'

Why would the hotel agree to this, you skipped out before.

Do you think that that will get me past immigration?

At your insistency you found out you are on the watch list and NO immigration will not accept emails and receipt for Bt1000, knowing you have been already reported to them for the same thing, ie not paying?

As I said earlier in the post, I have recently made contact with my sister that I have not seen in many years. She has generously offered to cover the cost of the overstay fine and the airline ticket and I have a little bit left over to take care of the hotel debt, but 5,000 baht is more than I was expecting. I am just trying to limit the amount of money that my sister has to put up to get me out of here. Once I get back to the U.S. I have ways to make money to get the rest of this hotel bill and my sister paid off.

So you still don’t have enough to pay the hotel bill.

Once you get back to the U.S. you have ways to make money to pay the rest of the hotel bill

Sorry If you do not believe my story. This sort of thing happens often in Thailand and all too often it ends with pictures of a guy hanging from a rope on the front page of Pattaya Daily News. That almost happened to me. Unfortunately not everyone who comes to Thailand has money from an inheritance, or a large trust fund to live off of.

I have not asked anybody on this board for money. I don't want money from anyone on this board. I am simply asking for advice because I am inexperienced on these matters. I only want to do what is necessary to get out of Thailand without any more problems.

No I don’t believe your story; I think it is a crock.

Now you are playing the suicide card, I am inexperienced.

No I am not asking for any money? But if you want to give me some.

Thanks again. You guys have been very helpful. I will get that bill taken care of. I will send a pm to simon47 and also talk to the Pa at first class visa. She also has a hotel in Pattaya. Maybe she can help me work things out with the owner of the other hotel. I definitely want to get this all sorted out before trying to leave the country.

Information and assistance from 1^st Class Visa

Did you offer or even pay them for their advice.

You skipped out of the hotel without paying the bill

Your partner more than likely found out you were up to no good.

You can’t be trusted and I don’t see why anyone would want to help you.

Mods may scrap my comments and this post, hope not.

Edited August 19, 2012 by OZEMADE

[elliss]

just go to the hotel , and check in for one night ,

when they put your passport info, into the hotel computer,

you will then know , if you are a friend or foe .

[OZEMADE]

just go to the hotel , and check in for one night ,

when they put your passport info, into the hotel computer,

you will then know , if you are a friend or foe .

The OP had it checked out and according to the OP he is on the list.

I contacted a company that deals with visa overstays and told them about this issue. I insisted that they do a warrant check for me to ensure that this will not be an issue. A few days later they called me back and told me that the warrant check came back with my name being on the "watchlist". He told me that it would cost me 100,000 baht to have the officier remove my name from the "watchlist".

[meatboy]

Last thing, it's so clear that he won't have any problem for such a small debt 2 years ago that I don't understand why it's even worth talking about this...

what about the 2years overstay?

[VBF]

Check your self here.

http://pcscenter.sb.....th/eprint.html

Be careful!! My Norton Internet Security reports this as a Malicious Web Site (police.go.th) Ironic but not too surprising.

Norton is USUALLY correct so visit at your own risk.

VBF

[meatboy]

OZEMADE best post so far,estimate he needs $2,000 to get home,how is his sister going to send it and to where,and who's pc is he using.

[OZEMADE]

Check your self here.

http://pcscenter.sb.....th/eprint.html

Be careful!! My Norton Internet Security reports this as a Malicious Web Site (police.go.th) Ironic but not too surprising.

Norton is USUALLY correct so visit at your own risk.

VBF

Well in that case they will see what most of the TVF members are saying about this con man and give TVF a thumbs up.

[pomchop]

what i cant understand in these situations is,

you must of known you was running out of money,

so why didnt you go home before it all ran out??

simple, or is it me,

and as for the hotel asking for 5,000bht i think there right to do so, you just leave the room take the key and the aircon remote,(whats that about) and think they are only going to charge you 1 nite, your in a dream,

like they say many many people staying at hoels go out for days going on trips ect, so they kept your room open for you,

i dont see the problem there,

since he left clothes etc in the room AND took the key with him AND had already been there for a month it would seem perfectly logical of the hotel to think he was coming back and hold the room....IF IF he had come back and they had removed his belongings and rented the room to someone else he may have been yelling and screaming at some poor desk clerk over that....

i find it very hard to believe that if he stayed on in thailand for ANOTHER TWO YEARS that over two years he could not come up with 700 baht to go back and do the right thing and pay the bill or at least attempt to settle it?

anyway...none of my biz and i wish OP luck in sorting it out but frankly i dont blame the hotel in any way shape or form for asking for 5000 baht...if he knew he did not have enough money to pay the last night after a months stay then perhaps he soulld have slept on the beach rather than just skip out on a bill.....what happened was not THEIR fault...they are not a charity....

[Pacificperson]

The OP needs to realize that it might be time to go begging back home and raise the money. If he can get out of this problem for 5,000 baht, he is getting off cheap. Pay the bill and go home. When he gets his act together, he can think about coming bact to Thailand.

[stockholm]

I went home from Thailand in November 2011, had about 9 mounts overstay ( 3 time with long overstay ) lost passport and lots of unpaid bills all over pattaya, not hotels but some appartments and mostly bar bills. There where several bills over 10,000 baht, Some places where owned by thais some by farangs. At least 3 different places had a copy of my passport, 1 place had my swedish id-card...

I spent 1 day in IDC i Bangkok before goning home, I came there early in morrning and my flight left at late night...The entire day I was sitting there just wating for someone to come and tell me that I wouldent be going home because of warrents i Pattaya for all the trubbel I had make, But no one came, and finaly at 22,00 at night a officer came and told me its was my time to go to the airport...When the plan took off I praised the lord for letting me go home...IDC is a place that you can be lost in forever and its the last place that you want to be...

My prayers goes to all the guys that are there right now...

Maybe I was lucky? I dont know, but if there was a watchlist I think that I should have be on it!!?

[Apache704]

You knew what you were doing when you didn't pay your hotel bill and by staying here illegally for 2 years and what the cost would be so why are you crying now?? You could have gone to your Embassy and asked for assistance in the beginning or had asked your sister then to help you if you were in trouble. If you can't do the Time don't do the Crime.

[Apache704]

I went home from Thailand in November 2011, had about 9 mounts overstay ( 3 time with long overstay ) lost passport and lots of unpaid bills all over pattaya, not hotels but some appartments and mostly bar bills. There where several bills over 10,000 baht, Some places where owned by thais some by farangs. At least 3 different places had a copy of my passport, 1 place had my swedish id-card...

I spent 1 day in IDC i Bangkok before goning home, I came there early in morrning and my flight left at late night...The entire day I was sitting there just wating for someone to come and tell me that I wouldent be going home because of warrents i Pattaya for all the trubbel I had make, But no one came, and finaly at 22,00 at night a officer came and told me its was my time to go to the airport...When the plan took off I praised the lord for letting me go home...IDC is a place that you can be lost in forever and its the last place that you want to be...

My prayers goes to all the guys that are there right now...

Maybe I was lucky? I dont know, but if there was a watchlist I think that I should have be on it!!?

I went home from Thailand in November 2011, had about 9 mounts overstay ( 3 time with long overstay ) lost passport and lots of unpaid bills all over pattaya, not hotels but some appartments and mostly bar bills. There where several bills over 10,000 baht, Some places where owned by thais some by farangs. At least 3 different places had a copy of my passport, 1 place had my swedish id-card...

I spent 1 day in IDC i Bangkok before goning home, I came there early in morrning and my flight left at late night...The entire day I was sitting there just wating for someone to come and tell me that I wouldent be going home because of warrents i Pattaya for all the trubbel I had make, But no one came, and finaly at 22,00 at night a officer came and told me its was my time to go to the airport...When the plan took off I praised the lord for letting me go home...IDC is a place that you can be lost in forever and its the last place that you want to be...

My prayers goes to all the guys that are there right now...

Maybe I was lucky? I dont know, but if there was a watchlist I think that I should have be on it!!?

I went home from Thailand in November 2011, had about 9 mounts overstay ( 3 time with long overstay ) lost passport and lots of unpaid bills all over pattaya, not hotels but some appartments and mostly bar bills. There where several bills over 10,000 baht, Some places where owned by thais some by farangs. At least 3 different places had a copy of my passport, 1 place had my swedish id-card...

People like you should be blacklisted from Thailand.

[lopburi3]

Flames removed - do not make posts personal attacks on other posters.

[stiggy]

Done a runner, sponged for two years now needs advice on how to get away with this and overstay.

Good luck with your future, and good luck to those drawn in to your Bs.

[saroq]

I went home from Thailand in November 2011, had about 9 mounts overstay ( 3 time with long overstay ) lost passport and lots of unpaid bills all over pattaya, not hotels but some appartments and mostly bar bills. There where several bills over 10,000 baht, Some places where owned by thais some by farangs. At least 3 different places had a copy of my passport, 1 place had my swedish id-card...

I spent 1 day in IDC i Bangkok before goning home, I came there early in morrning and my flight left at late night...The entire day I was sitting there just wating for someone to come and tell me that I wouldent be going home because of warrents i Pattaya for all the trubbel I had make, But no one came, and finaly at 22,00 at night a officer came and told me its was my time to go to the airport...When the plan took off I praised the lord for letting me go home...IDC is a place that you can be lost in forever and its the last place that you want to be...

My prayers goes to all the guys that are there right now...

Maybe I was lucky? I dont know, but if there was a watchlist I think that I should have be on it!!?

I went home from Thailand in November 2011, had about 9 mounts overstay ( 3 time with long overstay ) lost passport and lots of unpaid bills all over pattaya, not hotels but some appartments and mostly bar bills. There where several bills over 10,000 baht, Some places where owned by thais some by farangs. At least 3 different places had a copy of my passport, 1 place had my swedish id-card...

I spent 1 day in IDC i Bangkok before goning home, I came there early in morrning and my flight left at late night...The entire day I was sitting there just wating for someone to come and tell me that I wouldent be going home because of warrents i Pattaya for all the trubbel I had make, But no one came, and finaly at 22,00 at night a officer came and told me its was my time to go to the airport...When the plan took off I praised the lord for letting me go home...IDC is a place that you can be lost in forever and its the last place that you want to be...

My prayers goes to all the guys that are there right now...

Maybe I was lucky? I dont know, but if there was a watchlist I think that I should have be on it!!?

I went home from Thailand in November 2011, had about 9 mounts overstay ( 3 time with long overstay ) lost passport and lots of unpaid bills all over pattaya, not hotels but some appartments and mostly bar bills. There where several bills over 10,000 baht, Some places where owned by thais some by farangs. At least 3 different places had a copy of my passport, 1 place had my swedish id-card...

People like you should be blacklisted from Thailand.

Yep got to agree. The OP and this guy are exactly the type of farang we need fewer of in Thailand. For all the reasons identified by others I have little sympathy for people who should be nominated for the Darwin awards.

[John Egil]

I went home from Thailand in November 2011, had about 9 mounts overstay ( 3 time with long overstay ) lost passport and lots of unpaid bills all over pattaya, not hotels but some appartments and mostly bar bills. There where several bills over 10,000 baht, Some places where owned by thais some by farangs. At least 3 different places had a copy of my passport, 1 place had my swedish id-card...

I spent 1 day in IDC i Bangkok before goning home, I came there early in morrning and my flight left at late night...The entire day I was sitting there just wating for someone to come and tell me that I wouldent be going home because of warrents i Pattaya for all the trubbel I had make, But no one came, and finaly at 22,00 at night a officer came and told me its was my time to go to the airport...When the plan took off I praised the lord for letting me go home...IDC is a place that you can be lost in forever and its the last place that you want to be...

My prayers goes to all the guys that are there right now...

Maybe I was lucky? I dont know, but if there was a watchlist I think that I should have be on it!!?

I went home from Thailand in November 2011, had about 9 mounts overstay ( 3 time with long overstay ) lost passport and lots of unpaid bills all over pattaya, not hotels but some appartments and mostly bar bills. There where several bills over 10,000 baht, Some places where owned by thais some by farangs. At least 3 different places had a copy of my passport, 1 place had my swedish id-card...

I spent 1 day in IDC i Bangkok before goning home, I came there early in morrning and my flight left at late night...The entire day I was sitting there just wating for someone to come and tell me that I wouldent be going home because of warrents i Pattaya for all the trubbel I had make, But no one came, and finaly at 22,00 at night a officer came and told me its was my time to go to the airport...When the plan took off I praised the lord for letting me go home...IDC is a place that you can be lost in forever and its the last place that you want to be...

My prayers goes to all the guys that are there right now...

Maybe I was lucky? I dont know, but if there was a watchlist I think that I should have be on it!!?

I went home from Thailand in November 2011, had about 9 mounts overstay ( 3 time with long overstay ) lost passport and lots of unpaid bills all over pattaya, not hotels but some appartments and mostly bar bills. There where several bills over 10,000 baht, Some places where owned by thais some by farangs. At least 3 different places had a copy of my passport, 1 place had my swedish id-card...

People like you should be blacklisted from Thailand.

Yep got to agree. The OP and this guy are exactly the type of farang we need fewer of in Thailand. For all the reasons identified by others I have little sympathy for people who should be nominated for the Darwin awards.

Yes, couldnt agree more . And he is even bragging about it..