Pheu Thai Govts Agricultural Policies A Complete Failure: Democrat Party

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Agricultural policies a complete failure: Dems

PRAPASRI OSATHANON

THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- The agricultural policies of the Pheu Thai government were a complete failure during its first year in office, and caused the prices of three main crops to drop, the opposition Democrat Party said yesterday.

The Democrat leader will detail the government's key failures on its first anniversary on Friday, a day before the administration is set to hold an event to announce its achievements.

Chinnaworn Boonyakiart, the Democrat shadow agriculture minister, said the government of Yingluck Shinawatra caused the prices of rubber sheets, palm oil and fruit, and coconuts to fall during its first year in office.

The failure of the Yingluck government caused a drop in the price of rubber sheets from Bt140 per kilogram during the Abhisit government to Bt76 now, Chinnaworn said.

Farmers had been hit by a loss of Bt50 per kg of rubber sheeting, he said, while the country had lost about Bt150 a kg in revenue from rubber sheet exports.

Chinnaworn said the Yingluck government wasted the first six months by not taking any action to stop a fall in rubber sheet prices.

The government decided on January 24 to spend Bt15 billion to intervene in the market, at a rate of Bt120 per kg, but failed to shore up prices. He said the intervention was allegedly full of corruption, so farmers did not get full benefits.

The MP said the Yingluck government also made two blunders that caused world prices for rubber sheets to drop. In the first, Agriculture Minister Pornsak Charoenprasert signed an MOU with the Chinese government to sell rubber sheets to Beijing at the price of Bt105. In the second blunder, Deputy Agriculture Minister Natthawut Saikua signed a contract to sell rubber to China at a government-to-government price.

Chinnaworn said the price of oil palm dropped to Bt4 per kg from the previous government's Bt5.76 because Yingluck's administration allowed imports of palm fruit, although local farmers produce up to 12 million tonnes of the fruit a year.

The price of coconut had also dropped from Bt12.5 during the Abhisit government to Bt3 - a fall of 76 per cent - although 400,000 rai of coconut plantations had been destroyed by an epidemic caused by a type of worm.

Democrat MP Atthawit Suwanphakde said party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva would point out key failures of the government at the Democrat head office at 1pm on Friday.

Earlier, chief coalition whip Udomdej Ratanasathien said the government would announce its achievements to the media on Saturday. But Yingluck said the government would announce its various projects at an event to be held at Rajamangala Stadium.

Atthawit said Abhisit would highlight key failures of the government, according to analysis by the Democrat shadow cabinet.

One was the borrowing of Bt350 billion for major flood-prevention projects - because, so far, only Bt700 million has been drawn to implement these projects.

-- The Nation 2012-08-23

[Skywalker69]

That´s what happens when you let monkeys run a Country.

[billd766]

Can you imagine Democrat MPs walking around rice farms in Issan asking the farmers what they think of the rice prices now?

[thaicbr]

Can you imagine Democrat MPs walking around rice farms in Issan asking the farmers what they think of the rice prices now?

That's IF the vast majority of farmers have actually SEEN the money. It seems many haven't. But the millers have.

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[Skywalker69]

Have they received the credit cards, yet?

[Thaddeus]

The Democrat leader will detail the government's key failures on its first anniversary on Friday, a day before the administration is set to hold an event to announce its achievements.

The day after may be better.

[animatic]

...Agriculture Minister Pornsak Charoenprasert signed an MOU with the Chinese government to sell rubber sheets to Beijing at the price of Bt105.

...In the second blunder, Deputy Agriculture Minister Natthawut Saikua signed a contract to sell rubber to China at a government-to-government price...

SO.... we have price fixing but 15 baht below market and causing a lowering of market prices.

And well below the price the government agreed to subsidize it.

So who pays for the make up?

Secondly Natthawut gets played big time but the envoys from China.

Fool, they would have accepted a fluctuating market purchase deal.

Were you THAT desperate to land something big?

They are Chinese they play hardball with newbies too

Hello boys, the idea of selling a product is to MAKE MONEY,

not subsidize it using other peoples money and shoot the countries foot on ever kilo sold.

Edited August 23, 2012 by animatic

[ballpoint]

That´s what happens when you let monkeys run a Country.

Ahh. Now I understand all the references to rubber sheets and coconuts in the OP.

[RogueExpat]

...Agriculture Minister Pornsak Charoenprasert signed an MOU with the Chinese government to sell rubber sheets to Beijing at the price of Bt105.

...In the second blunder, Deputy Agriculture Minister Natthawut Saikua signed a contract to sell rubber to China at a government-to-government price...

SO.... we have price fixing but 15 baht below market and causing a lowering of market prices.

And well below the price the government agreed to subsidize it.

So who pays for the make up?

Secondly Natthawut gets played big time but the envoys from China.

Fool, they would have accepted a fluctuating market purchase deal.

Were you THAT desperate to land something big?

They are Chinese they play hardball with newbies too

Hello boys, the idea of selling a product is to MAKE MONEY,

not subsidize it using other peoples money and shoot the countries foot on ever kilo sold.

Thirdly - three guesses as to where the kick back on the difference in price is going, however, I am certain you'll only need one.

[Mosha]

Some of the rubber growers on TV, were told 100Baht for rubber sheets. They turned up along with the locals. The government buyer then told them your rubber is crap, 50Baht/kg.

[MaxLee]

Other significant government failures:

Flood prevention measurements and 300 Baht wage, need I say more??

[thaicbr]

Have they received the credit cards, yet?

Yes. But only usable at certain shops. I wonder who owns the shops and how much THEY paid for the privilege?

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[ballpoint]

Other significant government failures:

Flood prevention measurements and 300 Baht wage, need I say more??

Yes, if not for the fact that every school child now has a shiny new tablet, this government would be a total failure.

[Moruya]

That´s what happens when you let monkeys run a Country.

Ahh. Now I understand all the references to rubber sheets and coconuts in the OP.

There's probably a demand for rubber sheets where Jeng is going. He'll be a scaredy pants and incontinence will surely rain supreme

[Moruya]

Other significant government failures:

Flood prevention measurements and 300 Baht wage, need I say more??

Yes, if not for the fact that every school child now has a shiny new tablet, this government would be a total failure.

Are they at the 6% marker yet with that "initiative"?

[thaicbr]

Other significant government failures:

Flood prevention measurements and 300 Baht wage, need I say more??

Yes, if not for the fact that every school child now has a shiny new tablet, this government would be a total failure.

If your going to be sarcastic at least put a smiley

You were being sarcastic. Weren't you

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Edited August 23, 2012 by thaicbr

[Mosha]

Last week we sold Rubber sheets for 68 Baht, and the price actually went below 65. Coconuts are not even 3 Baht. They're at 1 Baht round here. I haven't seen a picker come round in weeks. I'll bet no one is selling at that price.

[Skywalker69]

Have they received the credit cards, yet?

Yes. But only usable at certain shops. I wonder who owns the shops and how much THEY paid for the privilege?

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Wonder how far they have to travel to do the shopping then?

[Skywalker69]

That´s what happens when you let monkeys run a Country.

Ahh. Now I understand all the references to rubber sheets and coconuts in the OP.

There's probably a demand for rubber sheets where Jeng is going. He'll be a scaredy pants and incontinence will surely rain supreme

[cobbler]

Some of the rubber growers on TV, were told 100Baht for rubber sheets. They turned up along with the locals. The government buyer then told them your rubber is crap, 50Baht/kg.

The 100 baht per kilo promissed by the PM was only paid to the mates.It deffinately was not paid to all rubber farmers.So I suppose it was the same in all ag industries in Thai.Promisses made but money only paid to certain people.EG mates

[HUAHIN62]

As far as I know there is a world price for all these products. If one does a little research on the net you will find the following. Natural rubber price was at 54 US cents per pound in late 2008, it then increased to a record high in 2011 and have come down to about the 138 US cents per pound level. Who was the Thai Government in 2008 again? Palm oil prices reached a high in 2010 then declined in 2011, Thailand lost many palm trees and don't produce enough palm oil thus the imports. The import happen at world prices and lead to local prices falling. Politicians (all of them) and their figures are suspect them it's used by them to prove or disprove something.

[cobbler]

Have they received the credit cards, yet?

Yes. But only usable at certain shops. I wonder who owns the shops and how much THEY paid for the privilege?

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My wife explained to me how this works.Not meant to be this way ,but this is what happens.

You go with the card to a shop.You dont even buy anything,the shop gives you a reciept for goods of value 20,000baht.(but no goods only 18,000 cash )The shop gets to make 2,000 baht profit when the bill is paid by the gov.

[Mosha]

I believe in 2010, Thailand was turning the palm oil into Bio fuel. I remember an almost overnight plunge when they decided they could not sustain production.

[cobbler]

As far as I know there is a world price for all these products. If one does a little research on the net you will find the following. Natural rubber price was at 54 US cents per pound in late 2008, it then increased to a record high in 2011 and have come down to about the 138 US cents per pound level. Who was the Thai Government in 2008 again? Palm oil prices reached a high in 2010 then declined in 2011, Thailand lost many palm trees and don't produce enough palm oil thus the imports. The import happen at world prices and lead to local prices falling. Politicians (all of them) and their figures are suspect them it's used by them to prove or disprove something.

Yes you'r right .The gov imported palm oil because there was a shortage,but ,they imported an over suply ,flooding the market and killing the price for local farmers.Gov don't care as they made money in the pocket while buying from Outside the country.Got it NOW

[Mosha]

As far as I know there is a world price for all these products. If one does a little research on the net you will find the following. Natural rubber price was at 54 US cents per pound in late 2008, it then increased to a record high in 2011 and have come down to about the 138 US cents per pound level. Who was the Thai Government in 2008 again? Palm oil prices reached a high in 2010 then declined in 2011, Thailand lost many palm trees and don't produce enough palm oil thus the imports. The import happen at world prices and lead to local prices falling. Politicians (all of them) and their figures are suspect them it's used by them to prove or disprove something.

Yes you'r right .The gov imported palm oil because there was a shortage,but ,they imported an over suply ,flooding the market and killing the price for local farmers.Gov don't care as they made money in the pocket while buying from Outside the country.Got it NOW

Also we growers are aware what the commodity price situation, and believe you me we do have a moan about it. What angers us, is we know we have good quality rubber, the private buyers are telling me. Flipping the sheets over and thumbs up,and saying Dee mak Those of us who go to the government buyer, get told their good rubber is Mai dee. We are getting screwed and they are making a fortune out of us.

[ramrod711]

Have they received the credit cards, yet?

Yes. But only usable at certain shops. I wonder who owns the shops and how much THEY paid for the privilege?

sent from my Wellcom A90+

My wife explained to me how this works.Not meant to be this way ,but this is what happens.

You go with the card to a shop.You dont even buy anything,the shop gives you a reciept for goods of value 20,000baht.(but no goods only 18,000 cash )The shop gets to make 2,000 baht profit when the bill is paid by the gov.

Now it makes sense, what a sad state of affairs.

[Thaddeus]

Have they received the credit cards, yet?

Yes. But only usable at certain shops. I wonder who owns the shops and how much THEY paid for the privilege?

sent from my Wellcom A90+

My wife explained to me how this works.Not meant to be this way ,but this is what happens.

You go with the card to a shop.You dont even buy anything,the shop gives you a reciept for goods of value 20,000baht.(but no goods only 18,000 cash )The shop gets to make 2,000 baht profit when the bill is paid by the gov.

Now it makes sense, what a sad state of affairs.

Hang on, it's credit card, so the farmer still has to pay the 20k back, and has no goods to show for it.

Who does that benefit?............ oh, wait a sec

[indyuk]

This article is shameful. There is no credible analysis and total misunderstanding of Thailand's agri-products and the forces at play in the export markets currently. Rubber revenue is down because the world market is saturated with last years forward purchases. This is due to a world recession in the motor manufacturing industry which is now in recovery and benefiting from current over supply. So rubber sheet market collapse is not caused by Yingluk's government nor for that matter by Abhisits government either. In respect to Thailand's Rice industry there are systemic problems that will take years to resolve if Thailand is to remain a key player in that industry. Some of the problems are to to the fact that the Rice industry has slowly slid behind the competition due years of neglect and corruption. Further Abhisit's government held back 12 million of tons of Rice from the markets with a view to protecting adequate supplies of rice for the people. As it turned out his action was an emotional reaction to an assumed problem that did not materialize. Abhisits government miss managed the palm oil business to the extent that Yingluck's government had to import the urgently needed suppies.. Corruption somewhere in the system left the Nation short of Palm oil and its products which Yinglucks government solved buy importing product and organizing an exceptional bottling organization to get Palm oil back in the shops. Twice during the past three years a similar problem has taken sugar off the supermarket shelves. Yingluck's government is responsible for taking care of the mess that Thailand's internal and export markets are in. However she is not responsible for the cause of these issues. If you want to hang someones name of this hang it on Ahbisit or one of the relevant commissioners. The corruption in Thailand's commodity market is shameful in the sense that the corrupt are traitors to the Thai people. Find the corrupt, confiscate their assets, and imprison them. Then you can build a better Thailand.

[rubl]

This article is shameful. There is no credible analysis and total misunderstanding of Thailand's agri-products and the forces at play in the export markets currently. Rubber revenue is down because the world market is saturated with last years forward purchases. This is due to a world recession in the motor manufacturing industry which is now in recovery and benefiting from current over supply. So rubber sheet market collapse is not caused by Yingluk's government nor for that matter by Abhisits government either. In respect to Thailand's Rice industry there are systemic problems that will take years to resolve if Thailand is to remain a key player in that industry. Some of the problems are to to the fact that the Rice industry has slowly slid behind the competition due years of neglect and corruption. Further Abhisit's government held back 12 million of tons of Rice from the markets with a view to protecting adequate supplies of rice for the people. As it turned out his action was an emotional reaction to an assumed problem that did not materialize. Abhisits government miss managed the palm oil business to the extent that Yingluck's government had to import the urgently needed suppies.. Corruption somewhere in the system left the Nation short of Palm oil and its products which Yinglucks government solved buy importing product and organizing an exceptional bottling organization to get Palm oil back in the shops. Twice during the past three years a similar problem has taken sugar off the supermarket shelves. Yingluck's government is responsible for taking care of the mess that Thailand's internal and export markets are in. However she is not responsible for the cause of these issues. If you want to hang someones name of this hang it on Ahbisit or one of the relevant commissioners. The corruption in Thailand's commodity market is shameful in the sense that the corrupt are traitors to the Thai people. Find the corrupt, confiscate their assets, and imprison them. Then you can build a better Thailand.

"Further Abhisit's government held back 12 million of tons of Rice from the markets with a view to protecting adequate supplies of rice for the people. "

I may have missed this particular item. Any link, please

[thaicbr]

This article is shameful. There is no credible analysis and total misunderstanding of Thailand's agri-products and the forces at play in the export markets currently. Rubber revenue is down because the world market is saturated with last years forward purchases. This is due to a world recession in the motor manufacturing industry which is now in recovery and benefiting from current over supply. So rubber sheet market collapse is not caused by Yingluk's government nor for that matter by Abhisits government either. In respect to Thailand's Rice industry there are systemic problems that will take years to resolve if Thailand is to remain a key player in that industry. Some of the problems are to to the fact that the Rice industry has slowly slid behind the competition due years of neglect and corruption. Further Abhisit's government held back 12 million of tons of Rice from the markets with a view to protecting adequate supplies of rice for the people. As it turned out his action was an emotional reaction to an assumed problem that did not materialize. Abhisits government miss managed the palm oil business to the extent that Yingluck's government had to import the urgently needed suppies.. Corruption somewhere in the system left the Nation short of Palm oil and its products which Yinglucks government solved buy importing product and organizing an exceptional bottling organization to get Palm oil back in the shops. Twice during the past three years a similar problem has taken sugar off the supermarket shelves. Yingluck's government is responsible for taking care of the mess that Thailand's internal and export markets are in. However she is not responsible for the cause of these issues. If you want to hang someones name of this hang it on Ahbisit or one of the relevant commissioners. The corruption in Thailand's commodity market is shameful in the sense that the corrupt are traitors to the Thai people. Find the corrupt, confiscate their assets, and imprison them. Then you can build a better Thailand.

"Further Abhisit's government held back 12 million of tons of Rice from the markets with a view to protecting adequate supplies of rice for the people. "

I may have missed this particular item. Any link, please

Yes a link would be interesting. Because how I remember it. The Democrat government inherited a huge stock pile from the previous Thaksin government that had to be cleared. But dont let the truth blind you aeeee.

As far as I'm aware Thailand could not even grow 12 million tons of rice in the 18 months the Dems were in power. So I'm buggered if I know how they could hold it back.... Moses maybe.

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