The Lost Treasure Of The Imperial Japanese Army

[theblether]

Hmmmm.............posting style similar to MediumPaceBowler, that genius that couldn't remember his sign in password and rejoined as OxfordHistorian......the same guy that had a habit of targeting theblether.

Tonight we have this guy targeting theblether again......methinks we have a bounce back banned member in our ranks. I wonder when he'll mention his exotic girlfriend? What a sad life some people live.......

You appear to have a slight persecution complex.

Try to remember that it's poor form to make statements such as "Britain wanted to colonize Thailand after WWII" without providing a wide body of evidence in support of your claim. Remember too that all such evidence should be double-checked or triple-checked.

Evidence in the form of "I read it on a forum" or "where is Kerry when I need him" will inevitably hinder rather than advance your argument.

You should also exercise your own judgement when citing references. For example, at the end of WWII Britain was in an economic mess and was forced to introduce food rationing. I'm sure you will agree that it would be foolhardy (unthinkable, even) for a country to embark on a new era of colonization when the country in question can barely feed its own people.

As for the two forum members you refer to, after a quick search I concluded that their knowledge of Southeast Asian ethnology and/or anthropology is not on a par with their knowledge of regional history.

The girl which OxfordHistorian describes as being of Portuguese descent is simply a Kristang (a term classified by the Malaysian government as "Portuguese Eurasian"). Yes, these Portuguese descendants can be found in Thailand, but there are better known settlements in Malacca and Penang. The people in the Mu River in Myanmar are also well known Portuguese descendants.

On your behalf I did some googling in order to re-acquaint myself with the Kristangs in Malacca. I found the following article from the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.c...?pagewanted=all

In paragraph 6 the author describes Kristangs as having "exotic Iberian features". This ties in with your quote "exotic girlfriend". But none of this warrants debate since the term "exotic" is merely subjective.

You are obviously interested in history. Would you like to start a thread about another "Thailand mystery"?

The thread could be called: Jurassic Park exists here in Thailand.

Google "Thailand's Jurassic Park, Uthai Thani Province". Do your research. Provide links. Double check everything, and I'm sure you'll get lots of interesting responses.

No thanks......you've proven my point that you are MediumPaceBowler aka OxfordHistorian.

Incidentally if you would like to review the now closed topic you refer to you will find the proof that the US agreed to give control of Thailand to the Brits.

Looks like you were wrong again.

Anyway.....I'll not be back on your thread.....carry on.

[ThailandMysteries]

Hmmmm.............posting style similar to MediumPaceBowler, that genius that couldn't remember his sign in password and rejoined as OxfordHistorian......the same guy that had a habit of targeting theblether.

Tonight we have this guy targeting theblether again......methinks we have a bounce back banned member in our ranks. I wonder when he'll mention his exotic girlfriend? What a sad life some people live.......

You appear to have a slight persecution complex.

Try to remember that it's poor form to make statements such as "Britain wanted to colonize Thailand after WWII" without providing a wide body of evidence in support of your claim. Remember too that all such evidence should be double-checked or triple-checked.

Evidence in the form of "I read it on a forum" or "where is Kerry when I need him" will inevitably hinder rather than advance your argument.

You should also exercise your own judgement when citing references. For example, at the end of WWII Britain was in an economic mess and was forced to introduce food rationing. I'm sure you will agree that it would be foolhardy (unthinkable, even) for a country to embark on a new era of colonization when the country in question can barely feed its own people.

As for the two forum members you refer to, after a quick search I concluded that their knowledge of Southeast Asian ethnology and/or anthropology is not on a par with their knowledge of regional history.

The girl which OxfordHistorian describes as being of Portuguese descent is simply a Kristang (a term classified by the Malaysian government as "Portuguese Eurasian"). Yes, these Portuguese descendants can be found in Thailand, but there are better known settlements in Malacca and Penang. The people in the Mu River in Myanmar are also well known Portuguese descendants.

On your behalf I did some googling in order to re-acquaint myself with the Kristangs in Malacca. I found the following article from the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.c...?pagewanted=all

In paragraph 6 the author describes Kristangs as having "exotic Iberian features". This ties in with your quote "exotic girlfriend". But none of this warrants debate since the term "exotic" is merely subjective.

You are obviously interested in history. Would you like to start a thread about another "Thailand mystery"?

The thread could be called: Jurassic Park exists here in Thailand.

Google "Thailand's Jurassic Park, Uthai Thani Province". Do your research. Provide links. Double check everything, and I'm sure you'll get lots of interesting responses.

Incidentally if you would like to review the now closed topic you refer to you will find the proof that the US agreed to give control of Thailand to the Brits.

Looks like you were wrong again.

Oh god. Are you for for real?

You are asking me to believe that the "US agreed to give control of Thailand to the Brits" because someone said so on a "now closed topic" on a forum.

And you offer no links, no references, no bibliography, no sources, no nothing.

Did you ever go to school?

[ThailandMysteries]

The Seattle Times was in error in claiming the 'The Bridge over the River Kwai' was a Hollywood epic. It was all Brit except for William Holden presumably cast to help sell the movie in the US. The film although fictional is of historical interest and considered of such artistic merit that a copy has been preserved in United States Library of Congress National Film Registry.

Good post. The movie Bridge over the River Kwai (a film adaptation of a novel) is entirely fictional since there was no war-time bridge over the River Kwai.

Per Wikipedia:

The largely fictional film plot is loosely based on the building in 1943 of one of the railway bridges over the Mae Klong—renamed Khwae Yai in the 1960s—at a place called Tha Ma Kham, five kilometres from the Thai town of Kanchanaburi.

[ThailandMysteries]

I somehow imagine that if the treasure were discovered, the main part of it would somehow NOT go towards solving Thailand's public financial worries.

Agreed.

Why do I find it so easy to believe that the likes of Yubamrung might emerge from this (possible) discovery with another pink Bentley?

[ThailandMysteries]

A Japanese general named Yamashita supposedly buried a vast treasure in the Philippines. That treasure was allegedly excavated and stolen by Ferdinand Marcos.

I suppose one legend is as good as another. The Thailand gold was allegedly dug up after the war by the former Japanese soldiers who helped bury it.

This is a link to an ABC news article, http://abcnews.go.co...=1#.UDj4E8HibMM

It talks about how former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawattra took the legend seriously and believed (back in 2001) that the treasure had finally been found.

Thaksin flew to Kanchanabburi and used his satellites in an attempt to pinpoint the entrance to the cave.

Thaksin actually met the King in order to present his "evidence".

Exactly how you would pinpoint an entrance to a jungle cave using a satellite, even one with the best , and probably still classified, IR imagining in the world is even more of a mystery than this topic. That aside, Shin Corps satellite is a broadband communications satellite, can you tell me how that works

Exactly how you would pinpoint an entrance to a jungle cave using a satellite

Our DEAR LEADER is both mighty and wise. Argue with him at your peril.

[Ricardo]

A Japanese general named Yamashita supposedly buried a vast treasure in the Philippines. That treasure was allegedly excavated and stolen by Ferdinand Marcos.

I suppose one legend is as good as another. The Thailand gold was allegedly dug up after the war by the former Japanese soldiers who helped bury it.

This is a link to an ABC news article, http://abcnews.go.co...=1#.UDj4E8HibMM

It talks about how former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawattra took the legend seriously and believed (back in 2001) that the treasure had finally been found.

Thaksin flew to Kanchanabburi and used his satellites in an attempt to pinpoint the entrance to the cave.

Thaksin actually met the King in order to present his "evidence".

Exactly how you would pinpoint an entrance to a jungle cave using a satellite, even one with the best , and probably still classified, IR imagining in the world is even more of a mystery than this topic. That aside, Shin Corps satellite is a broadband communications satellite, can you tell me how that works

Exactly how you would pinpoint an entrance to a jungle cave using a satellite

Our DEAR LEADER is both mighty and wise. Argue with him at your peril.

After locating it from the satellite, you'd drop a robot-explorer to investigate further, this system is currently being trialled on Mars I believe, with some cover-story or other, about solar-system exploration & scientific knowledge !

[ITGabs]

I remember reading something similar to this but with the Nazi army on Chile, they apparently hide the gold inside some trucks used for harvesting and later get all the trucks to get the gold again, interesting history by the way.

[maxme]

I somehow imagine that if the treasure were discovered, the main part of it would somehow NOT go towards solving Thailand's public financial worries.

No doubt... because that has nothing to do with money whatsoever

[theblether]

I somehow imagine that if the treasure were discovered, the main part of it would somehow NOT go towards solving Thailand's public financial worries.

No doubt... because that has nothing to do with money whatsoever

I get the impression that if they ever find the fabled resting place of this mystery gold they will break down the final barrier and find a certain exotic Portuguese-Thai-Chinese-Arabian girlfriend sitting watching Thai soap operas.

Both equally fantastical stories.

[maxme]

I somehow imagine that if the treasure were discovered, the main part of it would somehow NOT go towards solving Thailand's public financial worries.

No doubt... because that has nothing to do with money whatsoever

I get the impression that if they ever find the fabled resting place of this mystery gold they will break down the final barrier and find a certain exotic Portuguese-Thai-Chinese-Arabian girlfriend sitting watching Thai soap operas.

Both equally fantastical stories.

That might ... happen...

[theblether]

Anyway, just to be annoying, the OP will not know that I do have an in-depth knowledge of what happened in Thailand, and other parts of the Asian theatre of war, my Uncle was captured in Singapore and I've addressed his experiences elsewhere on Thaivisa on a separate topic. I was invited to Taiwan last year as a guest of the Taiwan POW society to be present at the unveiling of a new memorial stone to the Commonwealth soldiers that died in the Japanese POW camps.

I can say without contradiction that the movie, " The Bridge Over The River Kwai" is reviled, and I mean reviled, by the survivors of the POW camps.

There are times I can't be bothered going into in-depth explanations of what happened as I know I'm dealing with trolls, this is a prime example.

[onionluke]

I was offered a treasure map by a Philippino workmate once . He said it showed where a hoard of Japanese gold was hidden in the jungle somewhere in the Philippines . He said he was an architect . I didn't buy it , fool that I am . I wish this thread had started 6 years ago .

[ThailandMysteries]

FROM THE BBC

Saturday, 14 April, 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1277207.stm

[ThailandMysteries]

I was offered a treasure map by a Philippino workmate once . He said it showed where a hoard of Japanese gold was hidden in the jungle somewhere in the Philippines . He said he was an architect . I didn't buy it , fool that I am . I wish this thread had started 6 years ago .

YAMASHITA'S GOLD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamashita's_gold

[ThailandMysteries]

I can say without contradiction that the movie, " The Bridge Over The River Kwai" is reviled, and I mean reviled, by the survivors of the POW camps.

THE DAILY MAIL

11 August 2010

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1301828/Bridge-River-Kwai-survivor-wife-celebrate-70-years-marriage.html

[ThailandMysteries]

I somehow imagine that if the treasure were discovered, the main part of it would somehow NOT go towards solving Thailand's public financial worries.

No doubt... because that has nothing to do with money whatsoever

I get the impression that if they ever find the fabled resting place of this mystery gold they will break down the final barrier and find a certain exotic Portuguese-Thai-Chinese-Arabian girlfriend sitting watching Thai soap operas.

Both equally fantastical stories.

You seem very interested in Kristangs. Did you read that New York Times article I referenced for you yesterday?

Read about Adelaide, the fifth largest city in Australia. Who founded the city? Check and double-check the ethnicity of his mother. What was her name? Who was she? Where did she come from?

Shown below is the reverse side of a 2 Euro coin. Which country issued this coin? Whose life does the coin commemorate? Of the many places shown on the coin, it's possible to make out Patane (Pattani), Malaca and Sião (Siam).

Why does the coin show Pattani? What book did Mendes PInto write? What did he say about Pattani?

And please ............. do NOT write back and I say "I read it on a forum".

[theblether]

I can say without contradiction that the movie, " The Bridge Over The River Kwai" is reviled, and I mean reviled, by the survivors of the POW camps.

THE DAILY MAIL

11 August 2010

http://www.dailymail...s-marriage.html

That's a lovely article ThailandMysteries

[theblether]

I somehow imagine that if the treasure were discovered, the main part of it would somehow NOT go towards solving Thailand's public financial worries.

No doubt... because that has nothing to do with money whatsoever

I get the impression that if they ever find the fabled resting place of this mystery gold they will break down the final barrier and find a certain exotic Portuguese-Thai-Chinese-Arabian girlfriend sitting watching Thai soap operas.

Both equally fantastical stories.

You seem very interested in Kristangs. Did you read that New York Times article I referenced for you yesterday?

Read about Adelaide, the fifth largest city in Australia. Who founded the city? Check and double-check the ethnicity of his mother. What was her name? Who was she? Where did she come from?

Shown below is the reverse side of a 2 Euro coin. Which country issued this coin? Whose life does the coin commemorate? Of the many places shown on the coin, it's possible to make out Patane (Pattani), Malaca and Sião (Siam).

Why does the coin show Pattani? What book did Mendes PInto write? What did he say about Pattani?

And please ............. do NOT write back and I say "I read it on a forum".

As for this give it up.......apply your intellect to worthy matters and stop wasting people's time with this nonsense. Your capable of some interesting topics way above the norm, and the last time you were here using the MediumPaceBowler name some of the things you came up with were excellent. If you would just stop going over the same ground over and over and over again!!!........you would be one of the most interesting characters on here.

How about it?

[ThailandMysteries]

I can say without contradiction that the movie, " The Bridge Over The River Kwai" is reviled, and I mean reviled, by the survivors of the POW camps.

THE DAILY MAIL

11 August 2010

http://www.dailymail...s-marriage.html

That's a lovely article ThailandMysteries

You're very welcome. Please share your tales of POWs in Taiwan. I'd love to hear them.

Have a great day in Glasgow.

[onionluke]

I was offered a treasure map by a Philippino workmate once . He said it showed where a hoard of Japanese gold was hidden in the jungle somewhere in the Philippines . He said he was an architect . I didn't buy it , fool that I am . I wish this thread had started 6 years ago .

YAMASHITA'S GOLD

http://en.wikipedia....hita's_gold

Even if I had made it through the jungle with my map , I would never have got past the screaming yellow banana spiders that guard the cave entrance .

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread78682/pg2

[theblether]

I can say without contradiction that the movie, " The Bridge Over The River Kwai" is reviled, and I mean reviled, by the survivors of the POW camps.

THE DAILY MAIL

11 August 2010

http://www.dailymail...s-marriage.html

That's a lovely article ThailandMysteries

You're very welcome. Please share your tales of POWs in Taiwan. I'd love to hear them.

Have a great day in Glasgow.

This topic developed into a discussion of the experiences of former POW's

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/551808-us-finds-remains-of-soldier-missing-from-vietnam-war-plane-crash/page__hl__%20trumpeter%20%20smith

I make a point of visiting memorials everywhere I go......except bizarrely Kwai so far. there are reasons why but it will end up in an off topic fight.

[Payboy]

I somehow imagine that if the treasure were discovered, the main part of it would somehow NOT go towards solving Thailand's public financial worries.

That thought creates a strong suspicion of it having already been discovered.

[gk10002000]

Watched an old movie a few months ago, starred Burt Reynolds. It was shot in around 1960 I think. He was running a salvage company or something like that in the Philippines and was looking for some loot. Not a very good movie but it touched on the WW 2 treasuries that are laying around possibly