webfact Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 2010 POLITICAL STRIFE Suthep denies troops fired during the day of April 10 The Nation BANGKOK: -- Former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban has told the Department of Special Investigation that troops were not the ones that started shooting at red shirt protesters on April 10, 2010. Speaking to reporters late Monday night after being questioned by DSI investigators for about 10 hours, Suthep said investigators had shown him a YouTube clip, which they claimed has been recorded during the day of April 10. The clip showed what was purported to be troops firing at redshirt protesters with M16 and Tavor assault rifles. Suthep said he told the DSI investigators that he had never seen the clip or learned of the shooting because operations to tighten security during the day of April 10 were closely witnessed by both newspaper and TV reporters. Suthep said the troops tried to reclaim traffic space from the protesters without firing and killing the protesters. He testified to the DSI investigators that the shooting happened on the night of April 10. As a result, he declined to sign his name to endorse the DSI investigators' document, which alleges that troops fired at the protesters in the daytime. The former Democrat secretary general said DSI investigators spent about 10 hours questioning him about what happened on April 10 and from then through to the events in May 2010. He said he allowed the investigators to interrogate him non-stop even though he had not eaten. Suthep said the investigators asked him about the orders for troops and thus he had provided copies of all the orders he had signed as the director of the Centre for Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) to the investigators. He also told the investigators that DSI chief Tharit Pengdit was the one to suggest that CRES announce the state of emergency. -- The Nation 2012-08-28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Suthep denies troops fired during the day of April 10 No. Suthep denies that troops were the ones that started shooting on April 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KireB Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 This is gonna be an interesting topic and I can't wait for the usual suspects to spread 'Abhisit and the army did it' mantras. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 People died. Unlikely the real truth will ever come out. Too many backsides to be covered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DiamondKing Posted August 28, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2012 Pretty clear the proof posted on youtube is that they did indeed fire on protesters 90 odd protesters killed and you are saying the the government had nothing to do with it and they killed themselves if you believe that you are delusional DK 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltandpepper Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Pretty clear the proof posted on youtube is that they did indeed fire on protesters 90 odd protesters killed and you are saying the the government had nothing to do with it and they killed themselves if you believe that you are delusional DK Here we go again............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Suthep denies troops fired during the day of April 10 No. Suthep denies that troops were the ones that started shooting on April 10. strange, as that is what The Nation says in the title of the article. Maybe they are wrong (again). But then in the article, they go on to write... "Suthep said investigators had shown him a YouTube clip, which they claimed has been recorded during the day of April 10. ... And Suthep is described as saying ... Suthep said he told the DSI investigators that he had never seen the clip or learned of the shooting because operations to tighten security during the day of April 10 were closely witnessed by both newspaper and TV reporters." which sounds like a denial, doesn't it?? Maybe the denial referred to in the title of the article even... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Pretty clear the proof posted on youtube is that they did indeed fire on protesters 90 odd protesters killed and you are saying the the government had nothing to do with it and they killed themselves if you believe that you are delusional DK "you are saying" Sorry, but which post/poster was that addressed to ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post birdpooguava Posted August 28, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2012 If the troops didn't fire how did the protesters manage to run into their bullets? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Well the journo who came up with the headline ought to be shot for starters. No wonder everybody fights with each other, a bit of accurate reporting would go a long way towards peace balance and harmony. Maybe the journo's are telling white lies now to make the MP's feel good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) Pretty clear the proof posted on youtube is that they did indeed fire on protesters 90 odd protesters killed and you are saying the the government had nothing to do with it and they killed themselves if you believe that you are delusional DK "you are saying" Sorry, but which post/poster was that addressed to ? the same "you" poster who is also "delusional" . Edited August 28, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Suthep denies troops fired during the day of April 10 No. Suthep denies that troops were the ones that started shooting on April 10. strange, as that is what The Nation says in the title of the article. Maybe they are wrong (again). But then in the article, they go on to write... "Suthep said investigators had shown him a YouTube clip, which they claimed has been recorded during the day of April 10. ... And Suthep is described as saying ... Suthep said he told the DSI investigators that he had never seen the clip or learned of the shooting because operations to tighten security during the day of April 10 were closely witnessed by both newspaper and TV reporters." which sounds like a denial, doesn't it?? Maybe the denial referred to in the title of the article even... April 10th was Kok Wua... As I recall, the red shirt leaders announced that a number of their followers were to go to Kok Wua - which, as you know is just off Khao San Rd. It's also fairly narrow road which makes it a great place for an ambush. As I also recall, the trouble did indeed start in the evening. There was an ambush and I believe a grenade was launched from the side in which there was no army, into the army position killing some of them. A firefight ensued, there are videos of it and you can clearly see that the army is being fired upon. Of course, in the later battle, the one where they cleared Rajadamri, there was shooting in the daytime. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Pretty clear the proof posted on youtube is that they did indeed fire on protesters 90 odd protesters killed and you are saying the the government had nothing to do with it and they killed themselves if you believe that you are delusional DK 90 protesters were NOT killed on April the 10th. get your facts right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Pretty clear the proof posted on youtube is that they did indeed fire on protesters 90 odd protesters killed and you are saying the the government had nothing to do with it and they killed themselves if you believe that you are delusional DK A littleearly in the day to be that delusional. Why don't you have a good night sleep and then read the article. Or are you just plain hard wired into BS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hellodolly Posted August 28, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2012 People died. Unlikely the real truth will ever come out. Too many backsides to be covered. Agreed to many back sides to be covered. One will not even come up for questioning as he lives in Dubai. It was interesting to see on your original post the Thaksin fans lining up to like it. You can bet your bottom dollar they don't want the real truth to come out. That Gaggle of Geese won't even admit they were wrong invading a hospital. Going to be interesting when they interview Jutuporn and other red shirt leaders who are all over u tube urging people to burn Bangkok down. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Suthep denies troops fired during the day of April 10 No. Suthep denies that troops were the ones that started shooting on April 10. strange, as that is what The Nation says in the title of the article. Maybe they are wrong (again). But then in the article, they go on to write... "Suthep said investigators had shown him a YouTube clip, which they claimed has been recorded during the day of April 10. ... And Suthep is described as saying ... Suthep said he told the DSI investigators that he had never seen the clip or learned of the shooting because operations to tighten security during the day of April 10 were closely witnessed by both newspaper and TV reporters." which sounds like a denial, doesn't it?? Maybe the denial referred to in the title of the article even... Still trying to dodge the bullet I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KireB Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 If the troops didn't fire how did the protesters manage to run into their bullets? LIke a broken record, again and again and again..............creating lies and half lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 2010 POLITICAL STRIFE Suthep: Men in black, not troops, started shooting The Nation BANGKOK: -- Former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban has told the Department of Special Investigation that troops were not responsible for starting the shooting at red-shirt protesters on April 10, 2010. Speaking to reporters late on Monday night after being questioned by DSI investigators for about ten hours, Suthep said the investigators showed him a YouTube clip which they claimed was recorded during the day on April 10. The clip showed what was purported to be troops firing at red-shirt protesters with M16 and Tavor assault rifles. Suthep said he told the DSI investigators he had not seen the clip or learned of the particular shooting incident. The security operation on that day was being closely watched by newspapers and TV reporters. Suthep said the troops tried to reclaim traffic space from the protesters without firing at or killing anybody. He testified to the DSI investigators that the shooting happened on the night of April 10 and was started by the so-called "men in black". As a result, he declined to sign his name to endorse the DSI investigators' document that troops allegedly fired at the protesters during the day. The former Democrat secretary-general said DSI investigators spent about ten hours questioning him about what happened on April 10 and various other incidents in May 2010. He said he allowed the investigators to interrogate him non-stop although he had not had dinner. Suthep said the investigators asked him about orders issued for the troops to carry out. He gave them copies of all the orders he had signed as director of the Centre for Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES). Suthep also told investigators that DSI chief Tharit Pengdit was the one who suggested the CRES announce a state of emergency. Suthep told DSI investigators the department had complied with the UN treaty when it announced the state of emergency, and the Office of the Attorney General and senior government officials knew about every step of the CRES operations. Suthep said the emergency announcement was also influenced by the fact that protesters used weapons in the demonstrations. "Investigators asked me if former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva stepped in to give orders to the CRES or not, and I replied that the former prime minister had a lot of [responsibilities] so he gave only policy-level orders. I, as the CRES director, considered which action was needed for the situation at the particular moment," Suthep said. "For example, for the operation to reclaim traffic space on Rajdamnoen Road, I asked Abhisit if he wanted me to clear the entire road. He replied that he wanted only to open the road for vehicles on Rama VIII Bridge - so I decided to order the operation to clear the road at the Chor Por Ror Intersection and the protesters were allowed to continue their rally on Rajdamnoen Nok and Rajdamnoen Klang roads." Suthep also told investigators the CRES initially did not plan to disperse protesters from Rajprasong Intersection on May 19. The troops were deployed only to clear Lumpini Park, but troops were fired at by armed fighters among the protesters. Suthep said the investigators asked him if Abhisit took part in any operation of the CRES. He replied that the former premier was mostly briefed by officials on the situation as it developed and tried to find measures to solve the crisis. Suthep said Abhisit led a team of negotiators to talk to red-shirt leaders and briefed the public on the current situation - but the former prime minister did not get involved in the operations. Suthep said when he played video clips of men identified as men in black to the investigators, they asked him why the authorities failed to arrest any of these men. "I replied that 'you asked me as if red-shirt people wrote the question for you'. I told them there were men in black [present] and the DSI had already filed charges against them in court," Suthep said. Suthep added that it was possible that when the men in black were killed during gunfights with troops, their peers would take away their guns before sending the bodies to hospitals. Suthep said the DSI had charged 26 suspects in the terrorism case and former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and red-shirt leaders were among the suspects. He said several suspects admitted they had been trained to use weapons abroad and they belonged to a so-called Taksin warriors' group. He said some of them fired Tavor rifles at the Dusit Thani Hotel and M79 grenades at various other places and their crimes were already described in DSI reports. "I was not sorry because I expected that one day I would encounter this kind of situation," Suthep said. He said he told the DSI investigators he had pushed for new positions for the department's investigators when he was a deputy prime minister because he hoped their agency would work for justice. Suthep said he still had faith in Dr Kanit na Nakorn's Truth for Reconciliation Commission of Thailand and that it would reveal the truth to the public in the future. -- The Nation 2012-08-29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdpooguava Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 If the troops didn't fire how did the protesters manage to run into their bullets? LIke a broken record, again and again and again..............creating lies and half lies. Yes, that is certainly the way of ST other army apologists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 If the troops didn't fire how did the protesters manage to run into their bullets? You should read the all of the OP and not just the headline. Sent from my HTC phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Roadman Posted August 29, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2012 If the troops didn't fire how did the protesters manage to run into their bullets? LIke a broken record, again and again and again..............creating lies and half lies. Yes, that is certainly the way of ST other army apologists. I have yet to see one of you Red/UDD/Thaksin terrorist supporters actually accept that anyone apart from the Army is responsible for some of the deaths from Thaksins terrorist hit on Bangkok. As such your credibility is zero. I maybe a full supporter of the Army but I do have the intelligence to assess the issue and accept that the Army did make mistakes. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 If the troops didn't fire how did the protesters manage to run into their bullets? LIke a broken record, again and again and again..............creating lies and half lies. your post or his? Most people recognize that the army shot civilians. Most people recognize that there were non-army, well-trained people fighting against the army. Neither has been held accountable. The latter has never been identified. Innocent people were caught in the middle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyponeros Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 It is absolutely amazing that some people are still able to deny that innocent people were killed by the governmnet! Are you living in a paralele world or have you been in Thailand for so long that you start to believe your own lies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltandpepper Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 If the troops didn't fire how did the protesters manage to run into their bullets? LIke a broken record, again and again and again..............creating lies and half lies. your post or his? Most people recognize that the army shot civilians. Most people recognize that there were non-army, well-trained people fighting against the army. Neither has been held accountable. The latter has never been identified. Innocent people were caught in the middle. Who are "most people"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 It is absolutely amazing that some people are still able to deny that innocent people were killed by the governmnet! Are you living in a paralele world or have you been in Thailand for so long that you start to believe your own lies? Really? A bunch of people on this thread are talking about something that occurred on a different day to April 10th. April 10th was Kok Wua - which was 100% instigated by the red shirts. It started with a move of their people into a narrow street - their followers weren't even in that area on April 9th. The high casualties on the army side were expounded by the fact they were packed into a narrow street. it was a well planned ambush on the army. This is more than likely the primary reason that Seh Daeng is no longer with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smedly Posted August 29, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2012 It is absolutely amazing that some people are still able to deny that innocent people were killed by the governmnet! Are you living in a paralele world or have you been in Thailand for so long that you start to believe your own lies? I don't think anyone is denying that the army used live rounds and shot some people, the question is - why So far from what has been reported - The army did not fire first - they were upon, the question is - were they justified in returning fire, - at that point several army personel had been killed - I'd say yes. If the reds had armed (black shirts) people in their midst with guns shooting then the idea of a peaceful demonstration turned into a terrorist attack, IMO red shirt protesters upped the game and unfortunately got the only response that one would expect in that situation. Who's to blame - well that has got to be the organisers of the armed gangs within the demonstrators The troops have every right to defend themselves Members of the public should not be on the streets with AK47's grenades etc and that is the simple truth As soon as the red shirt protesters were aware of armed gangs in their midst they should have left immediately 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdpooguava Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 If the troops didn't fire how did the protesters manage to run into their bullets? LIke a broken record, again and again and again..............creating lies and half lies. Yes, that is certainly the way of ST other army apologists. I have yet to see one of you Red/UDD/Thaksin terrorist supporters actually accept that anyone apart from the Army is responsible for some of the deaths from Thaksins terrorist hit on Bangkok. As such your credibility is zero. I maybe a full supporter of the Army but I do have the intelligence to assess the issue and accept that the Army did make mistakes. What I accept is that the army were ordered in to move the protesters, armed with tear gas and live ammunition. This was unlike the violent occupation of the country's only real international airport where the army told the PM they would not intervene. Before the army used aggressive tactics there were no incidences of violence by the reds. This provocation was on top of the injustice of having their electoral rights overturned time & time again by the army/ elite/ judiciary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carra Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 What I accept is that the army were ordered in to move the protesters, armed with tear gas and live ammunition. This was unlike the violent occupation of the country's only real international airport where the army told the PM they would not intervene. Before the army used aggressive tactics there were no incidences of violence by the reds. This provocation was on top of the injustice of having their electoral rights overturned time & time again by the army/ elite/ judiciary. Now now, stop talking sense, some people won't like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 What I accept is that the army were ordered in to move the protesters, armed with tear gas and live ammunition. This was unlike the violent occupation of the country's only real international airport where the army told the PM they would not intervene. Before the army used aggressive tactics there were no incidences of violence by the reds. This provocation was on top of the injustice of having their electoral rights overturned time & time again by the army/ elite/ judiciary. Now now, stop talking sense, some people won't like it Trying to figure out if that Avatar of yours is communist in nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carra Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 What I accept is that the army were ordered in to move the protesters, armed with tear gas and live ammunition. This was unlike the violent occupation of the country's only real international airport where the army told the PM they would not intervene. Before the army used aggressive tactics there were no incidences of violence by the reds. This provocation was on top of the injustice of having their electoral rights overturned time & time again by the army/ elite/ judiciary. Now now, stop talking sense, some people won't like it Trying to figure out if that Avatar of yours is communist in nature haha don't you start, let people keep guessing, some have not cottoned on yet, although my home city is socialist this is purely for my football, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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