7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

From '66 the 13th Floor Elevator's You're Gonna Miss Me When I'm Gone.

 

 

Allright ^ where did this come from U.S.or U.K  ?  Actually want to use this for platform against some of the present music. On Fox news break they showed    the band "3 Doors Down"

playing " Here Without You " I could play that bad. Then they pan out to the audience who are eating up this slop. I dont know any thing technical about music but it does not seem like the parents of the 60's kids who complained about rock and roll is the same as myself complaining about 90's and present music. In other words the 60,s music was technically better than todays music in general ,

Right ? 

The Strawberry Alarm Clock with their '67 hit Incense And Peppermint.  Founding member Ed King, who went on to be Lynyrd Skynyrd's bass player, passed a month ago at 68.

 

 

26 minutes ago, morrobay said:

Allright ^ where did this come from U.S.or U.K  ?  Actually want to use this for platform against some of the present music. On Fox news break they showed    the band "3 Doors Down"

playing " Here Without You " I could play that bad. Then they pan out to the audience who are eating up this slop. I dont know any thing technical about music but it does not seem like the parents of the 60's kids who complained about rock and roll is the same as myself complaining about 90's and present music. In other words the 60,s music was technically better than todays music in general ,

Right ? 

Austin, Texas formed in '65 and disbanded in '69.

 

And . . . right.  Myself, I would prefer 60's music over present day music.  But to be honest, there was some god-awful music and some terrible, talentless bands in the 60's as well.  And if you were to search out some of the current music you'll find quite a few gems.  As far as the amplitude of good and great music then the 60's win out many, many times over.  Great music was so profuse back then.  Just think about all of the different genres that developed back in those days.

 

 

BTW, I did listen to your example band (never heard of them before) and, yeah, it is, for me, very uninspiring.  After you hear the song you forget what you've just heard very quickly.  The song doesn't stick in my head in the least.

Black musicians.  In any comparison between the music of today and yesteryear in my mind the decline in musical quality is most apparent with black musicians.  My god, they gifted the world with one of the most enduring genres ever; de blues.  They contributed further with:

 

Motown,

 

 

 

R&B,

 

 

 

Soul,

 

 

 

Funk,

 

 

 

Gospel (granted this was written by Melanie but it was the gospel musician Edwin Hawkins and his Singers who truly made this a truly great song),

 

 

Gospel (well, the gospel rock),

 

 

Doo-wop,

 

 

 

Bebop,

 

 

 

Groove,

 

 

 

Boogie woogie,

 

 

 

Jazz,

 

 

 

Rock,

 

 

 

 

 

While I was blessed with growing up to the music of the 50's, 60's & 70's I was later cursed when both my son and daughter gravitated towards rap.  There were times when we'd be driving in the car together and they'd turn it on and through gritted teeth and a furrowed brow I'd tell them to turn the sh*t off.  There are musical genres I don't care for and I simply ignore them but I absolutely hate rap.  The most talentless form of music I can think of.  And what other musical styles have the recent crop of black generations made a mark in?  I can't think of any.

 

7 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

While I was blessed with growing up to the music of the 50's, 60's & 70's I was later cursed when both my son and daughter gravitated towards rap.  There were times when we'd be driving in the car together and they'd turn it on and through gritted teeth and a furrowed brow I'd tell them to turn the sh*t off.  There are musical genres I don't care for and I simply ignore them but I absolutely hate rap.  The most talentless form of music I can think of.  And what other musical styles have the recent crop of black generations made a mark in?  I can't think of any.

 

 

I gotta say that I agree except for one rap song that impressed me

 

 

some white boy...I guess that makes me a racist...

 

 

4 hours ago, tutsiwarrior said:

I gotta say that I agree except for one rap song that impressed me

 

some white boy...I guess that makes me a racist...

You ain't a raciss, you just a dirty privileged white m*f*ker.  Whad's worse, I betcha you ol' too!  Dems de worst.  

 

One of the boons (of many) of being out in SE Asia is the minimal exposure to rap.  I only hear it to an extent on the commercial radio, which I don't listen to except when my wife turns it on in the car.  I read his lyrics to the song and I can appreciate his artistic expression of himself.  Rather than knock that I give him credit.  It's just that the lyrical delivery is sooooooo monotonous.  Granted it's unique, and again I can appreciate that, though it's not a style that appeals to me.  But for Krist's sake, that style has just been beaten to death over the decades.  It's like listening to AM radio, especially in the late 60's and early 70's.  They would absolutely kill songs by overplaying them.

 

And the beat with the synthesized drum that drives the lyrics.  Absolutely steady and never changing.  Like the constant drip, drip, drip of water droplets on my forehead.  It drives me to insanity after awhile.  And the instrumentation is for the most part electronic, almost like background noise.  I can appreciate electronic music, and a fine example for me would be Enigma.  The Beatles were masterful in completely changing the rhythm and tempo of a song midstream.  A song within a song.  Rap is dull . . . maybe one dimensional.  What I appreciate most is fullness, as exemplified by Phil Spector's Wall of Sound.  Some examples from the '61 to '66 period:

 

 

 

 

Another Spector production (The Beatles LP Let It Be and George Harrison's All Things Must Pass were also Spector productions).

 

 

In the end I have only so much time in this world.  If I have to make a decision as to how to spend that precious time, listening to, say, one of the above songs or listening to some "fine" rap, well, it's no contest.  Of course, that's just me.  My opinion is ultimately just as good as anyone else's.  It all comes down to preference.  It's truly not within my purview to be the definitive judge of what is or isn't good and bad music.  That's for each of us to decide based solely on our personal preferences.  Rap isn't bad music.  But, yes, I hates it.

More great contributions by blacks to the music of this era.  The Chambers Bros. off their '69 Love, Peace And Happiness LP.  Listen to these vocals . . . yeah!  Clap along.  Sing along.  Has anyone ever sung along to a rap song?  LOL

 

 

I've posted this before but it's another outstanding example of black music.  Wilson Pickett live in South Africa in '76.  Frickin' A!!  My body just wants to move on it's own.  Those South Africans probably never heard sh*t like this before from the looks on their faces.  But man, Pickett rocked them and taught them a little bit on what soul is all about.

 

 

 

On 12/20/2016 at 12:33 PM, bannork said:

I was never a trucker but I spent many an hour on the road hitching in my youth. Transport cafes were great then, bacon and eggs with fried tomato and baked beans for breakfast with a steaming mug of tea, handed over by peroxide haired Sharon smoking a fag.

Me too. Get your kicks...on the M6!

Clarence Clemens, RIP.  One of his most memorable sax solos.  I always loved sax.  Jungleland, off the '75 Born To Run LP.

 

 

And a tribute vid.

 

 

A song made famous by its saxophone riff.

 

Great sax in Floyd's Money, too.

 

 

 
One of the boons (of many) of being out in SE Asia is the minimal exposure to rap. 
 

You wanna watch more Thai tv ( Workpoint ) !!

There’s no escaping it, full marks to these “ black “ Thais for trying though !!

Back on topic.

Here’s another great sax number from the 70’s, one of my favourites.

Carole King's Jazzman off her '74 LP Wrap Around Joy had some nice sax as well.

 

 

 

A tremendous song with a bewitching saxophone solo by Andy Mackay.

 

 

16 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

You wanna watch more Thai tv ( Workpoint ) !!

There’s no escaping it, full marks to these “ black “ Thais for trying though !!

 

 

 

My wife was into hip-hop, which sounds a lot like rap to me, when we first met.  And not so much into Isaan music, though she's Isaan.  Thankfully she reverted and hasn't listened to hip-hop since I can't remember when, and listens much more to Isaan music.  As you say, give credit as this dude does a pretty good job.  Doubt he's singing about the ghetto, though.  Maybe Thai hoes?  LOL

Another wonderful song from Roxy with the sax shimmering its way in and out, adding a delicious top layer to the song.. Here's looking at you kid.

 

Another great song featuring an excellent sax solo.  Jr. Walker & The Allstars' Shotgun from '65.

 

 

 

Sax enthusiasts will enjoy King Curtis Live At The Fillmore West in March of '71 on A Whiter Shade Of Pale.

 

 

Jazz saxophonist Eddie Harris from his '67 LP The Electrifying Eddie Harris.  I don't get into much jazz but I enjoy Eddie Harris.

 

 

And I just posted this one but since it fits in with the sax theme it's worth reposting since Eddie Harris' sax is phenomenal on this track.  This version has the video where you can appreciate watching him.

 

 

41 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

 

You wanna watch more Thai tv ( Workpoint ) !!

There’s no escaping it, full marks to these “ black “ Thais for trying though !!

 

 

Actually the lyrics to this rap are good.

Here's the first part:

I don't hope to gain knowledge from the syllabus of 'education'

I don't hope for nutrition from fermented alcohol

Chorus- I don't hope because too much hope leads to disappointment

I don't hope people will love or hate

I don't hope for a reputation that will fade or shine

I don't hope for a sports car from the lid of the green pop drink ( a reference to a promotion gimmick, by Green Spot perhaps?)

It's all just wishing for good luck

I don't hope that my kids will produce good sperm

I don't hope that my kids will be better than Dad

I don't hope for free gifts from tax payers' money

etc

imo it's more poetry than music, though there is a constant rhythm of course and all the last words of his lines  rhyme.

 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

You ain't a raciss, you just a dirty privileged white m*f*ker.  Whad's worse, I betcha you ol' too!  Dems de worst.  

 

One of the boons (of many) of being out in SE Asia is the minimal exposure to rap.  I only hear it to an extent on the commercial radio, which I don't listen to except when my wife turns it on in the car.  I read his lyrics to the song and I can appreciate his artistic expression of himself.  Rather than knock that I give him credit.  It's just that the lyrical delivery is sooooooo monotonous.  Granted it's unique, and again I can appreciate that, though it's not a style that appeals to me.  But for Krist's sake, that style has just been beaten to death over the decades.  It's like listening to AM radio, especially in the late 60's and early 70's.  They would absolutely kill songs by overplaying them.

 

And the beat with the synthesized drum that drives the lyrics.  Absolutely steady and never changing.  Like the constant drip, drip, drip of water droplets on my forehead.  It drives me to insanity after awhile.  And the instrumentation is for the most part electronic, almost like background noise.  I can appreciate electronic music, and a fine example for me would be Enigma.  The Beatles were masterful in completely changing the rhythm and tempo of a song midstream.  A song within a song.  Rap is dull . . . maybe one dimensional.  What I appreciate most is fullness, as exemplified by Phil Spector's Wall of Sound.  Some examples from the '61 to '66 period:

 

 

 

 

Another Spector production (The Beatles LP Let It Be and George Harrison's All Things Must Pass were also Spector productions).

 

 

In the end I have only so much time in this world.  If I have to make a decision as to how to spend that precious time, listening to, say, one of the above songs or listening to some "fine" rap, well, it's no contest.  Of course, that's just me.  My opinion is ultimately just as good as anyone else's.  It all comes down to preference.  It's truly not within my purview to be the definitive judge of what is or isn't good and bad music.  That's for each of us to decide based solely on our personal preferences.  Rap isn't bad music.  But, yes, I hates it.

 

I don't find the eminem song monotonous like I do most other rap, I find the lyrics and music compelling which is what rap is supposed to achieve...and it's true that Phil Spector is a genius producer but that's an insignificant comparison from opposite ends of the popular music spectrum...

 

and my son is the same way, mid 20s with the hip hop gear but we've been able to have some meaningful discussions about the music fortunately...as a parent I'm just glad that he's into music of some kind which he listens to on his headphones thereby not polluting our shared space when we meet up...he lives in Brighton with his mum which is a good environment for popular music...

 

and yeah, I'se just a shufflin' old white man over here but I ain't doin' no one no harm...an' de local crew harmonizin' a capella down on de street corner dey say 'dat ol' white man he cool...he knows what's happenin'...'

 

tutsi: North Oakland street corner emeritus...

 

 

Speaking of Phil Spector:  

 

 

And thats me rolling on Sherman Way

Yes I agree about the black music now compared to what it used to be: What happened ?

 

 

Never really liked Elvis before same with the Beatles but times are a changing 

From the movie Across the Universe