Being Ripped Off By The British Gov.

[samran]

I'm ashamed of the way Britain treats it's citizens who have married Asians.

Even with the new rules which came into force in July, obtaining a spouse visa for the UK is still simpler than doing the same for Australia or the USA. It is certainly easier, for example, for a Thai spouse of a Brit to obtain ILR in the UK and then British citizenship than it is for a British spouse of a Thai to obtain PR in Thailand, let alone Thai citizenship!

Depends on the sex of the spouse, woman married to Thai = Thai citizenship easy, man = hard

Tommo, off you go again spouting nonsense and things you have no experience in.

[samran]

Where would be be without our weekly dose of 'Whinging Pom's'?

Stay tuned next week for "All those bloody foreigners coming to leech of the system" and "I decided to move to a country where they don't index my pension, but even though it was my choice to do so, I'm going to have a whinge anyway"

Cue - east enders music.

Now, where is my pot of Tetley's and that marmite?

Just thought I'd revisit my first post, as this thread has indeed gone the way I predicted.

You little englanders are so predictable.

The irony, which as always is lost on them, is that you are a bunch of immigrants whinging about immigrants.

[TommoPhysicist]

The irony, which as always is lost on them, is that you are a bunch of immigrants whinging about immigrants.

I thought you were the only immigrant on this forum.

The rest of us are aliens or non-immigrants.

If you love England so much, why don't you go and live there? (555)

[meatboy]

what was the topic i started? carry on im loving it.TAFFY

[WilliaminBKK]

Time for a little Dame Vera ?

Sing along time - They'll Always be ...............

[somtampet]

I supose a bit of a reverse thread here , i am sick of ex pats who live in Thailand moaning about the UK , how many ex pats fly home to the UK for treatment after years of not paying taxes. How many have brought there Thai wifes to the Uk who dont work , I thought Thailand was the land of smiles not gripes. just because you have paid some tax in the past does not mean you can claim for infinity.

Exactly: lots of us choose to live in Thailand but I also fail to see why some many expat Brit's love to have a pop at the old country.

i lived in uk for 50 years so i have every right to critisise or praise the place.The uk should stop ALL immigrants entering until they sweep up all the shit,as the boder agency dont even know how many immigrants are living in the uk with lapsed visa.I know of three thais who are living in stoke illegaly

[somtampet]

Looking at the last couple of posts, I suppose the English are less proud to be British than the Scots, because they contributed so little

SC

never met a scots who want to be british,they have turned Glasgow into an american ghetto too.

[londoedan]

I supose a bit of a reverse thread here , i am sick of ex pats who live in Thailand moaning about the UK , how many ex pats fly home to the UK for treatment after years of not paying taxes. How many have brought there Thai wifes to the Uk who dont work , I thought Thailand was the land of smiles not gripes. just because you have paid some tax in the past does not mean you can claim for infinity.

Exactly: lots of us choose to live in Thailand but I also fail to see why some many expat Brit's love to have a pop at the old country.

i lived in uk for 50 years so i have every right to critisise or praise the place.The uk should stop ALL immigrants entering until they sweep up all the shit,as the boder agency dont even know how many immigrants are living in the uk with lapsed visa.I know of three thais who are living in stoke illegaly

If you feel so strongly about it, why don't report you them ?

All of my previous posts were defending the UK's record on asylum seekers / refugees / legal immigrants. The government and the responsible agencies should deal with illegal immigrants in the normal, prescribed manner. As they've just done with Abu Hamza.

I've not seen any another poster on TV referring to fellow human beings as 'shit', so thanks for that, a new low IMO

[meatboy]

as my topic is about the cost we expats who have retired have to pay for a new passport,the ones that are defending the british gov.ought to have a butchers at what it has cost the british tax payers to keep abu hamza and his 7kids in the uk.as there is also a topic on frozen pensions you might like to know what we are up against.to give you an idea all us go and read how the uk past goverments treated the gurkha's,talk about respect i would be proud to kiss their feet.i remember the day when me & mrs meat went to the brt.embassy in bkk 1990 for her settlment visa.who was guarding the entrance gurkha's and each one wished us good luck.i do think a lot of us can be aggrieved at whats gone on in the uk over the past 25years,and yes i am one of them who paid taxes for 44yrs and wont be going back anyone who wants to see us can come here.taffy

[londoedan]

as my topic is about the cost we expats who have retired have to pay for a new passport,

Then why did you title the topc: "being ripped-off by the GB government" ?

BTW I agree with a lot of what you say: expat pensions should be index linked; new UK passports are expensive and pensioners should get passports cheaper than non-retiree's (along with a lot of other benefits).

My beef is with a lot of the nonsense written by other members above regarding 'white' UK citizens being disadvantaged, shut all the door's, send them all back, the 'shame' of coming from the UK etc etc etc..

[samran]

The irony, which as always is lost on them, is that you are a bunch of immigrants whinging about immigrants.

I thought you were the only immigrant on this forum.

The rest of us are aliens or non-immigrants.

If you love England so much, why don't you go and live there? (555)

get lost in the woods again did we?

[exeter]

tigerfish and exeter.

Although I live in Surrey my work regularly takes me to inner London; I do know what it is like.

I also live in a town with a very high immigrant population, mostly from Pakistan and West Africa; as high a percentage as any inner London Borough; I do know what it is like. I do live with it, whatever 'it' is.

I also happen to be married to an immigrant!

You both must have had bad experiences because in mine it's nothing like you hint at, maybe it's your attitude that is to blame.

People are people, regardless of their ethnicity or the colour of their skin.

As you are both so anti immigrant I assume that neither of you have a Thai partner, or if you do said partner is not living in the UK.

Or are you both the type of person who thinks that it's ok for those they approve of to immigrate to the UK, but not for anyone else. There's a word for that; hypocrite.

Edit:

Exeter, just seen your post above, which appeared while I was typing. So you don't even live in the UK! How do you know what living in the UK is like? You don't!

I lived in the UK for over 60 years, I have just returned from the UK I know full well whats like, I also know what it was like once.

One of things that really gets me are the number of Immigrants/Asylum Seekers who come to the UK and try to change the UK that is more to their liking, perhaps they should have put their energies into changing the place where they came from rather coming to the UK and expecting me to fit in with them!

Yes I came to Thailand, here I have to fit in with the Thais I accept that, the UK is longer the place I remember, was brought up in and its being bled dry by spongers and politicians who do nothing ( or very little) for the indegineous population, I got no help from my local authority with housing as there was always more people arriving from far off lands who were more in need then I! It would not happen in any other country and why do so many Imms/ asylums seekers come to the UK? Is it because no one else will have them and the UK is known as a soft touch?

[theblether]

Let's just call it for what it is........this thread is full of out and out rancid racists.

Rancid racists that take every opportunity to cast up how disgusted they are about immigrants living in the UK.

While they live in Thailand.

So now they are rancid hypocritical racists.

They want the right to live at their leisure in Thailand.

But no one is to have the right to emigrate to the UK......especially if they are black or Asian, or dare I say it, Moslem.

Never mind the fact that the National Health Service would collapse if the immigrant doctors, nurses, and porters were forced out.

Never mind the hundreds of thousands, probably going on millions of businesses started by hard working immigrants which have transformed access to goods and services.

Never mind the fact that I was in a new manufacturing facility in Glasgow at 7.00pm last night, on a Saturday night, buying quality goods for my business at the right price, a business owned by a Scot, a Fijian, and third generation Pakistani Scot.

I point that out as if the Pakistani Scot wasn't dark skinned by this point people wouldn't be questioning his right to live in the UK, you see, these rancid racists on this thread don't like brown people living in the UK, they don't like black people living in the UK, and bizarrely, we have someone on the thread complaining about Thais living in the UK.

That's cos they're illegal, innit? But this guy wants to sit in Thailand and snipe about illegals living in the UK, will he pick up the phone and report them? No, that's cos he doesn't want to be a grass, innit? The tooth fairy will catch the bad brown immigrants, that's how it works, eh?

So let's just call a spade a spade ( oh no, I can't say that, it's not PC!!! )...........you rancid racists are showing yourselves up to be ignorant, thick, and repulsive people. Totally lacking in self awareness of your position, sitting in a foreign country complaining about foreigners living in the UK.

The same foreigners that are paying the tax to fund your pensions.

Your just a bunch of rancid, thick, ignorant racist nutters............just shut your mouths, your an embarrassment, led by the cheerleader from hell, damaged goods boy, the headcase that can never stop complaining about the same issues over and over again.

I appeal to Thaivisa to clamp down on these racist comments, threads and members. This outstanding website is all inclusive, and represents many nationalities and ethnic backgrounds, we have to encourage more people to participate, threads like this have the opposite effect.

Racism has no place on Thaivisa.

[samran]

Let's just call it for what it is........this thread is full of out and out rancid racists.

Rancid racists that take every opportunity to cast up how disgusted they are about immigrants living in the UK.

While they live in Thailand.

So now they are rancid hypocritical racists.

They want the right to live at their leisure in Thailand.

But no one is to have the right to emigrate to the UK......especially if they are black or Asian, or dare I say it, Moslem.

Never mind the fact that the National Health Service would collapse if the immigrant doctors, nurses, and porters were forced out.

Never mind the hundreds of thousands, probably going on millions of businesses started by hard working immigrants which have transformed access to goods and services.

Never mind the fact that I was in a new manufacturing facility in Glasgow at 7.00pm last night, on a Saturday night, buying quality goods for my business at the right price, a business owned by a Scot, a Fijian, and third generation Pakistani Scot.

I point that out as if the Pakistani Scot wasn't dark skinned by this point people wouldn't be questioning his right to live in the UK, you see, these rancid racists on this thread don't like brown people living in the UK, they don't like black people living in the UK, and bizarrely, we have someone on the thread complaining about Thais living in the UK.

That's cos they're illegal, innit? But this guy wants to sit in Thailand and snipe about illegals living in the UK, will he pick up the phone and report them? No, that's cos he doesn't want to be a grass, innit? The tooth fairy will catch the bad brown immigrants, that's how it works, eh?

So let's just call a spade a spade ( oh no, I can't say that, it's not PC!!! )...........you rancid racists are showing yourselves up to be ignorant, thick, and repulsive people. Totally lacking in self awareness of your position, sitting in a foreign country complaining about foreigners living in the UK.

The same foreigners that are paying the tax to fund your pensions.

Your just a bunch of rancid, thick, ignorant racist nutters............just shut your mouths, your an embarrassment, led by the cheerleader from hell, damaged goods boy, the headcase that can never stop complaining about the same issues over and over again.

I appeal to Thaivisa to clamp down on these racist comments, threads and members. This outstanding website is all inclusive, and represents many nationalities and ethnic backgrounds, we have to encourage more people to participate, threads like this have the opposite effect.

Racism has no place on Thaivisa.

Spot on.

I call them the 'anti-immigrant immigrants'.

Another level of hypocracy is that they don't mind brown people in the UK- as long as they are their 'own' brown wife.

But they sit in Thailand now, taking advantage of Thailands frankly lax rules (GBP 14K in the bank? Come on down - stay as long as you want....No education but want to be an English teacher cause you are white? Here is your work permit...), thinking they are gods gift for managing to jump these ridiclously low hurdles.

[StreetCowboy]

as my topic is about the cost we expats who have retired have to pay for a new passport,the ones that are defending the british gov.ought to have a butchers at what it has cost the british tax payers to keep abu hamza and his 7kids in the uk.as there is also a topic on frozen pensions you might like to know what we are up against.to give you an idea all us go and read how the uk past goverments treated the gurkha's,talk about respect i would be proud to kiss their feet.i remember the day when me & mrs meat went to the brt.embassy in bkk 1990 for her settlment visa.who was guarding the entrance gurkha's and each one wished us good luck.i do think a lot of us can be aggrieved at whats gone on in the uk over the past 25years,and yes i am one of them who paid taxes for 44yrs and wont be going back anyone who wants to see us can come here.taffy

It really is difficult to read your posts without any capitalisation and scarcely any punctuation.

If you at least took a new line for each sentence... that would help a lot.

If you are stuck with the text editor for your posts, new line is < br\>, I think

(you'll be able to see from the new lines in this post, if you quote it).

Back on topic, I'd like to commend Glasgow City Council for the help they gave us in preventing our tenement from decaying into a dangerous blot on the landscape - I'm sure theblether is even more grateful, since he lives near there.

As I recall, all the occupants of our tenement were white British people. If you're so keen to live amongst British people, why don't you move to Glasgow?

SC

[Soutpeel]

Let's just call it for what it is........this thread is full of out and out rancid racists.

Rancid racists that take every opportunity to cast up how disgusted they are about immigrants living in the UK.

While they live in Thailand.

So now they are rancid hypocritical racists.

They want the right to live at their leisure in Thailand.

But no one is to have the right to emigrate to the UK......especially if they are black or Asian, or dare I say it, Moslem.

Never mind the fact that the National Health Service would collapse if the immigrant doctors, nurses, and porters were forced out.

Never mind the hundreds of thousands, probably going on millions of businesses started by hard working immigrants which have transformed access to goods and services.

Never mind the fact that I was in a new manufacturing facility in Glasgow at 7.00pm last night, on a Saturday night, buying quality goods for my business at the right price, a business owned by a Scot, a Fijian, and third generation Pakistani Scot.

I point that out as if the Pakistani Scot wasn't dark skinned by this point people wouldn't be questioning his right to live in the UK, you see, these rancid racists on this thread don't like brown people living in the UK, they don't like black people living in the UK, and bizarrely, we have someone on the thread complaining about Thais living in the UK.

That's cos they're illegal, innit? But this guy wants to sit in Thailand and snipe about illegals living in the UK, will he pick up the phone and report them? No, that's cos he doesn't want to be a grass, innit? The tooth fairy will catch the bad brown immigrants, that's how it works, eh?

So let's just call a spade a spade ( oh no, I can't say that, it's not PC!!! )...........you rancid racists are showing yourselves up to be ignorant, thick, and repulsive people. Totally lacking in self awareness of your position, sitting in a foreign country complaining about foreigners living in the UK.

The same foreigners that are paying the tax to fund your pensions.

Your just a bunch of rancid, thick, ignorant racist nutters............just shut your mouths, your an embarrassment, led by the cheerleader from hell, damaged goods boy, the headcase that can never stop complaining about the same issues over and over again.

I appeal to Thaivisa to clamp down on these racist comments, threads and members. This outstanding website is all inclusive, and represents many nationalities and ethnic backgrounds, we have to encourage more people to participate, threads like this have the opposite effect.

Racism has no place on Thaivisa.

Spot on.

I call them the 'anti-immigrant immigrants'.

Another level of hypocracy is that they don't mind brown people in the UK- as long as they are their 'own' brown wife.

But they sit in Thailand now, taking advantage of Thailands frankly lax rules (GBP 14K in the bank? Come on down - stay as long as you want....No education but want to be an English teacher cause you are white? Here is your work permit...), thinking they are gods gift for managing to jump these ridiclously low hurdles.

The really hypocritical thing about a lot of these posts, is its the same people who start bleating on they are being discriminated against in Thailand, Thai's are racist, Immigration/visa requirements are so unfair in Thailand.

Imagine the uproar by TV finests bigots if the Thai goverment started increasing financial requirments or making visa's harder to come by, or even abolished the retirement visa completely...

"The uk should stop ALL immigrants entering until they sweep up all the shit"

Thailand should also consider the same thing as regards it's "immigrants"

[samran]

Oh no Soutpeel, these poor souls should't be confused with the rabble storming the walls back in Eng-er-land.

They are 'expats'.

[nong38]

What was the topic again?

As always we get down side roads but you know what the UK is about 20-25% the size of Thailand yet the population of the UK is over 60 million, the vast majority live in England I would guess 45-50 million. The population of Thailand in 67 million, I really do think that immgration cannot continue like it has, now I dont think that is racsist and I dont think reflects on me being here in Thailand. I have to fit in here, if immigrants in the UK did the same, I think they would get more sympathy.

Its good that we all have different views, we are not all the same, so long as our exchanges are kept civil its ok.

Yes the govt is ripping me off, I want a refund and free 1st class travel when I make a state visit to the UK, an index linked pension, expense account, translator and ministerial motor cycle, after all I am in Thailand!

[TommoPhysicist]

Imagine the uproar by TV finests bigots if the Thai goverment started increasing financial requirments or making visa's harder to come by, or even abolished the retirement visa completely...

I have no problem with that, retirement extensions of stay are far too easy to get IMHO.

And Visa waiver on entry (or whatever you call it), that needs to go too.

Too many Johnny foreigners in Thailand ...... go home!

Thailand for Thai citizens! (oh, and the parents of Thai citizens)

[endure]

I have to fit in here, if immigrants in the UK did the same, I think they would get more sympathy.

What makes you think they don't? What do you think would happen to the NHS if all the 'immigrants' left? Who'd get up at 5 o'clock in the morning so you could have your newspaper delivered? The newspapers only ever talk about problems - they don't mention the millions of law-abiding hard working folk who live here too.

[theblether]

Imagine the uproar by TV finests bigots if the Thai goverment started increasing financial requirments or making visa's harder to come by, or even abolished the retirement visa completely...

I have no problem with that, retirement extensions of stay are far too easy to get IMHO.

And Visa waiver on entry (or whatever you call it), that needs to go too.

Too many Johnny foreigners in Thailand ...... go home!

Thailand for Thai citizens! (oh, and the parents of Thai citizens)

Clever edit Tommo.......

Anyway, once you get your Thai citizenship you'll be able to say that with conviction.

We'll throw a party to celebrate you breaking your final link with shameful Britain, oh and make sure your kids don't fall into the trap of having dual nationality, we wouldn't want them to be associated with such a disgraceful country eh?

[TommoPhysicist]

Anyway, once you get your Thai citizenship you'll be able to say that with conviction.

Off topic

Yep, currently setting up a shell company to employ me paying (churning) a bogus wage and paying Thai tax. (Actually it's an American pal doing the setting up, BOI even helping us out) Will soon have my Thai citizenship, and entitlement to the Thai health service scheme. Then I will be as good a 'pretend Thai apologist' as the rest.

[theblether]

Anyway, once you get your Thai citizenship you'll be able to say that with conviction.

Off topic

Yep, currently setting up a shell company to employ me paying (churning) a bogus wage and paying Thai tax. Will soon have me Thai citizenship, and entitlement to the Thai health service scheme. Then I will be as good a 'pretend Thai apologist' as the rest.

So is that the first time you've announced that Tommo? ........ I haven't seen that before. You are renouncing your British citizenship and taking up Thai citizenship?

[TommoPhysicist]

Anyway, once you get your Thai citizenship you'll be able to say that with conviction.

Off topic

Yep, currently setting up a shell company to employ me paying (churning) a bogus wage and paying Thai tax. Will soon have me Thai citizenship, and entitlement to the Thai health service scheme. Then I will be as good a 'pretend Thai apologist' as the rest.

So is that the first time you've announced that Tommo? ........ I haven't seen that before. You are renouncing your British citizenship and taking up Thai citizenship?

Ask me again in a few years time!

At the moment it's actually looking like the health scheme will pay for the taxes and accountants fees (the savings being made in us not needing private medical insurance).

[theblether]

Anyway, once you get your Thai citizenship you'll be able to say that with conviction.

Off topic

Yep, currently setting up a shell company to employ me paying (churning) a bogus wage and paying Thai tax. Will soon have me Thai citizenship, and entitlement to the Thai health service scheme. Then I will be as good a 'pretend Thai apologist' as the rest.

So is that the first time you've announced that Tommo? ........ I haven't seen that before. You are renouncing your British citizenship and taking up Thai citizenship?

Ask me again in a few years time!

Go start a thread about your journey to Thai citizenship.......it will be helpful to others who want to follow you in their quest to abandon Little Satan.

[7by7]

Yep, currently setting up a shell company to employ me paying (churning) a bogus wage and paying Thai tax. Will soon have my Thai citizenship, and entitlement to the Thai health service scheme.

Ah, I see. Immigrants coming to the UK, being supported by their British spouse or working legitimately to support themselves and paying tax and after qualifying becoming British citizens; bad.

You going to Thailand and bending the rules, a bogus wage, so you can live in Thailand and eventually become a Thai citizen; good.

Can you not see the contradictions in your attitude?

[7by7]

7by7 i do as a matter a fact happen to be married to a Thai and have been for the last 12 years

So it's ok for one brown person, your wife, to immigrate to the UK; but all other ones should be kept out!

Hypocrite.

[TommoPhysicist]

Yep, currently setting up a shell company to employ me paying (churning) a bogus wage and paying Thai tax. Will soon have my Thai citizenship, and entitlement to the Thai health service scheme.

Ah, I see. Immigrants coming to the UK, being supported by their British spouse or working legitimately to support themselves and paying tax and after qualifying becoming British citizens; bad.

You going to Thailand and bending the rules, a bogus wage, so you can live in Thailand and eventually become a Thai citizen; good.

Can you not see the contradictions in your attitude?

As long as I'm paying taxes, they should be happy.

Does it make any real difference that the tax I'm paying isn't really owed.

I did ask my lawyer if it would be easier to pay five years back tax, no receipt needed, but he didn't think it was a good idea.

Thailand is a corrupt country, nobody has to play the game by any rules.

I'm just trying to fit in with all the other Thais.

[7by7]

You've totally missed my point; not surprised.

I will assume you did so deliberately, as I don't believe you're stupid enough to have not seen it.

[TommoPhysicist]

You've totally missed my point; not surprised.

I will assume you did so deliberately, as I don't believe you're stupid enough to have not seen it.

I have never said anything negative about immigrants going to the UK to join a UK spouse.

I actually believe that all cross-boarder married couples should be given dual citizenship once it is established the marriage is real. No financial checks at all.

Citizens from other countries (including EU) with no biological ties to the UK, another matter entirely.