Electrocution Warning In Flooded Areas

[Lite Beer]

Electrocution warning in flooded areas

The Nation on Sunday

BANGKOK: -- Disease Control Department chief Pornthep Siriwanarangsan yesterday urged people wading through flood water to beware of the risk of electrocution, as the 2011 flood saw 128 deaths by electrocution in 20 flood-hit provinces.

Pornthep said 103 men and 25 women were electrocuted in flood water. Bangkok claimed the top spot with 26 such cases, followed by Pathum Thani's 22 cases, Nonthaburi's 20 and Ayutthaya's 14.

He went on to say that the department's 58 disease-investigation teams had provided 436 rounds of service at 387 locations during last year's flood and had found 1,301 leptospirosis cases, 10,515 dengue fever cases, and 197,680 diarrhoea cases totally. They had also sent 180 pest-control teams to eliminate disease-carrier pests and mosquitoes at 533 locations during last year's flood.

Pornthep's comment was made at the Public Health Ministry office in Nonthaburi's Bang Kruay district as part of an event, attended by 2,000 health volunteers and members of the public, to promote public understanding about the health situation during last year's flooding to improve the situation this year.

Another speaker, Public Health Minister Witthaya Buranasiri, affirmed the ministry's water-borne disease watch system was ready to tackle flood victims' heath problems this year.

Saying that last year's flood had affected 11 million people in 65 provinces and created a prolonged impact for six months, Witthaya said people's lifestyle had become unhealthy. People stayed in areas with prolonged flooding, were short of clean drinking water and food, had less-than-hygienic sanitary systems and garbage disposal; and lived near disease-carrying pests. Such conditions led to 2 million people falling ill.

Having learned their lessons, he said the ministry's officials and health volunteers were now better-prepared in terms of disease prevention should floods occur this year, adding that 1,088 disease-investigation teams were ready to visit flood-hit areas.

-- The Nation 2012-10-07

[wayned]

"Disease Control Department chief Pornthep Siriwanarangsan yesterday urged people wading through flood water to beware of the risk of electrocution" Is electrocution a disease? Maybe in those people who have the ability to switch off the power in the flooded areas and don't - the PEA and MEA! Last year our house was flooded well above the power outlets on the first floor and the electric was still on. Popped some circuit breakers and burnt out some outlets before I had my son turn the mains off but it was still on and he was commuting to work via boat. Some peoples elevators don't go all the way to the top!

[MEL1]

"Pornthep said 103 men and 25 women were electrocuted in flood water. Bangkok claimed the top spot with 26 such cases"

Top spot?

What is this, "Come on down!"

What a very sad choice of words.

-mel.

[bdw]

I remember wading through nearly waist-high water in Chiang Mai in 2006, then two years later a tourist was killed by charged water in Pattaya. I'll NEVER do that again !

There were quite a few electrocutions reported in 2011, but authorities believe that far more were killed by electricity but not reported as such.

Edited October 7, 2012 by bdw

[jcw]

How often do you see in the Thai markets, cables joined and "insulated" with a bit of tape sitting in water puddles.

[MaxLee]

So what the authorities are practically saying to the "uneducated public" is:

"It's not our fault if you wade through the water during the floods and the electricity is on. It's your own fault if you get electrocuted, while we cannot and will not guarantee any safety to you, because we are too busy saving our sorry a*****es"

Those government officials responsible would intentionally KILL people in order to enjoy their own lives

[asiawatcher]

Existing street wiring is illegal and rife by any international standards. Tapping into it by illegal street vendors even worse and never prosecuted. The Thailand Electricity Commission Authority estimate up to 30% of the grid supply could be stolen i.e. taken direct by bypassing meters. The above ground wiring examples in any soi or walking down Sukhumvit is enough to have most tourists taking photos of it. Just add water and it is an accident waiting to happen.

Edited October 7, 2012 by asiawatcher

[TomTao]

Good on them for giving the warning, its about time someone started to educate the Thai people about the danger of electrocution, just need the electricity providers to lift the safety standard and for the government to legislate minmum safety standards. This minister's speech just may be the begining of a new mindset.

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[ignis]

How often do you see in the Thai markets, cables joined and "insulated" with a bit of tape sitting in water puddles.

Guess you can say that about 1/2 the Countries in the world

So what is ' international standards' ?

Did say all the places that joined the EU in the last 20 years or so change, or have they changed ?

[jerrysteve]

THAT WARNING is very SHOCKING!!!!!!!!

It is good they have decided to warn people. That is shocking in itself.

[noitom]

It is astonishing to travel on Sukhumvit and the sois and take a look at that spaghetti wiring all over bangkok. Sukhumvit - the "showpiece" of Bangkok. Balls of spaghetti wiring hanging down to eye level in many cases, manually replaced on trees. It's a disgrace and extreme hazard.

[whybother]

It is astonishing to travel on Sukhumvit and the sois and take a look at that spaghetti wiring all over bangkok. Sukhumvit - the "showpiece" of Bangkok. Balls of spaghetti wiring hanging down to eye level in many cases, manually replaced on trees. It's a disgrace and extreme hazard.

The spaghetti wiring is telephone wires.

[h90]

It is astonishing to travel on Sukhumvit and the sois and take a look at that spaghetti wiring all over bangkok. Sukhumvit - the "showpiece" of Bangkok. Balls of spaghetti wiring hanging down to eye level in many cases, manually replaced on trees. It's a disgrace and extreme hazard.

no it is not an extreme Hazard....there aren't many problems....there are some but it is not extreme, it only looks terrible and must cause 1000 times more work to service it.

[Chads]

And it wouldn't such a big problem if they had regularly serviced the wiring in the first place. Biking through the streets you can literally hear the buzzing coming from the faulty powerlines above you everyday.

Edited October 7, 2012 by Chads

[jcw]

123 Deaths to electrocution, and prob 1000 to ghost

[Tywais]

It is astonishing to travel on Sukhumvit and the sois and take a look at that spaghetti wiring all over bangkok. Sukhumvit - the "showpiece" of Bangkok. Balls of spaghetti wiring hanging down to eye level in many cases, manually replaced on trees. It's a disgrace and extreme hazard.

The spaghetti wiring is telephone wires.

Yes, but when mixed in with the power lines it is a recipe for disaster.

[ignis]

Photo is the same in many places, now have noticed the Bamboo ladders are being replaced with Alum sliding ones here in Thailand, yet the men that add new lines or do repairs place the ladder on the wires and up they go........ often the bottom of there ladder is in the road NO protection from moving cars and truck cm away.

[farangbanok]

And it wouldn't such a big problem if they had regularly serviced the wiring in the first place. Biking through the streets you can literally hear the buzzing coming from the faulty powerlines above you everyday.

Transformers and power lines may buzz, but it would take massive current - more than enough to melt the power line - to make the cable buzz. The high voltage of many Kilovolts on the power pylons may buzz in humid weather - but that is ionisation/arcing which cannot be changed with any amount of maintenance!

One major problem is that historically the American 2 pin sockets were set as a "sort of" standard in Thailand.

They maybe OK on 110 Volts for which they were designed, but double that to match the 240 Volt used in Thailand and they become very underspecified (to use a euphemism).

I think the Goverment should introduce a national Standard - like the UK 16th / 17th Edition Wiring Regulations which specifies everything including cable sizes and the length of sleeving required on bare earth wires.

They should then enforce it with severe penalties (electrocution?) for the officials completing and signing off tea money influenced inspections. If not to the mandatory standard then insurance must be invalidated.

First they should apply it to all new buildings, then Goverment/public buildings and buildings to which the public have access. Any house rewires should be classified as new buildings.

Panasonic and Chang sockets are only slightly more expensive in 3 pin versions than the dangerous 2 pin.

Additionally all appliances whether imported or domestic manufacture should be banned if the do not have a proper plug to suit the Thai sockets. So much imported computer equipment has a wall mounted power supply with match-stick sized connecting pins supporting a 250-350 gram power supply 50 mm from the socket. Even high quality manufactures such as Hitachi and Krupps use two pin plugs with this abysmal design which fit the German sockets safely, but not the Thai socket.

When my house was rewired all sockets had an earth lead brought back to the distribution panel and connected perfectly with no plastic tape. Very good! But no earth spike was attached to these ground wires, so in the event of one appliance having a fault everything in the house became live.

[h90]

And it wouldn't such a big problem if they had regularly serviced the wiring in the first place. Biking through the streets you can literally hear the buzzing coming from the faulty powerlines above you everyday.

Transformers and power lines may buzz, but it would take massive current - more than enough to melt the power line - to make the cable buzz. The high voltage of many Kilovolts on the power pylons may buzz in humid weather - but that is ionisation/arcing which cannot be changed with any amount of maintenance!

One major problem is that historically the American 2 pin sockets were set as a "sort of" standard in Thailand.

They maybe OK on 110 Volts for which they were designed, but double that to match the 240 Volt used in Thailand and they become very underspecified (to use a euphemism).

I think the Goverment should introduce a national Standard - like the UK 16th / 17th Edition Wiring Regulations which specifies everything including cable sizes and the length of sleeving required on bare earth wires.

They should then enforce it with severe penalties (electrocution?) for the officials completing and signing off tea money influenced inspections. If not to the mandatory standard then insurance must be invalidated.

First they should apply it to all new buildings, then Goverment/public buildings and buildings to which the public have access. Any house rewires should be classified as new buildings.

Panasonic and Chang sockets are only slightly more expensive in 3 pin versions than the dangerous 2 pin.

Additionally all appliances whether imported or domestic manufacture should be banned if the do not have a proper plug to suit the Thai sockets. So much imported computer equipment has a wall mounted power supply with match-stick sized connecting pins supporting a 250-350 gram power supply 50 mm from the socket. Even high quality manufactures such as Hitachi and Krupps use two pin plugs with this abysmal design which fit the German sockets safely, but not the Thai socket.

When my house was rewired all sockets had an earth lead brought back to the distribution panel and connected perfectly with no plastic tape. Very good! But no earth spike was attached to these ground wires, so in the event of one appliance having a fault everything in the house became live.

while I agree to change the system to either the German or Hongkong plugs. I wouldn't go to extreme with inspections. Else installations would be like in Europe extreme expensive and regular people wouldn't be allowed to do it.

If there isn't a flood there aren't many problems with electric in Thailand, we westeners are a bit too hysterical on that topic and 220 Volt usually doesn't do harm if you have a normal heart and don't stand in the water up to the knees.

[vijer]

Ah yes the Thai's understanding of electricity and fluid dynamics continues to impress me. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the lowest understanding and 10 the highest, I would rate Thai's understanding of electricity around 1 and their understanding of fluid dynamics around negative 1.

I have an idea, if flooding occurs, the government should send water pushing boats to push the water away from the electricity! That's the ticket!

Edited October 7, 2012 by vijer

[vijer]

And it wouldn't such a big problem if they had regularly serviced the wiring in the first place. Biking through the streets you can literally hear the buzzing coming from the faulty powerlines above you everyday.

Transformers and power lines may buzz, but it would take massive current - more than enough to melt the power line - to make the cable buzz. The high voltage of many Kilovolts on the power pylons may buzz in humid weather - but that is ionisation/arcing which cannot be changed with any amount of maintenance!

One major problem is that historically the American 2 pin sockets were set as a "sort of" standard in Thailand.

They maybe OK on 110 Volts for which they were designed, but double that to match the 240 Volt used in Thailand and they become very underspecified (to use a euphemism).

I think the Goverment should introduce a national Standard - like the UK 16th / 17th Edition Wiring Regulations which specifies everything including cable sizes and the length of sleeving required on bare earth wires.

They should then enforce it with severe penalties (electrocution?) for the officials completing and signing off tea money influenced inspections. If not to the mandatory standard then insurance must be invalidated.

First they should apply it to all new buildings, then Goverment/public buildings and buildings to which the public have access. Any house rewires should be classified as new buildings.

Panasonic and Chang sockets are only slightly more expensive in 3 pin versions than the dangerous 2 pin.

Additionally all appliances whether imported or domestic manufacture should be banned if the do not have a proper plug to suit the Thai sockets. So much imported computer equipment has a wall mounted power supply with match-stick sized connecting pins supporting a 250-350 gram power supply 50 mm from the socket. Even high quality manufactures such as Hitachi and Krupps use two pin plugs with this abysmal design which fit the German sockets safely, but not the Thai socket.

When my house was rewired all sockets had an earth lead brought back to the distribution panel and connected perfectly with no plastic tape. Very good! But no earth spike was attached to these ground wires, so in the event of one appliance having a fault everything in the house became live.

while I agree to change the system to either the German or Hongkong plugs. I wouldn't go to extreme with inspections. Else installations would be like in Europe extreme expensive and regular people wouldn't be allowed to do it.

If there isn't a flood there aren't many problems with electric in Thailand, we westeners are a bit too hysterical on that topic and 220 Volt usually doesn't do harm if you have a normal heart and don't stand in the water up to the knees.

Not much point to having standards if nobody enforces them.

And who wants "regular" people doing electrical installation?

A regular person did the wiring in my new home, I'm sure he called himself an electrician but he wasn't, he used black and gray wires in some circuits, blue and gray wires in some circuits, black and red in some circuits and only used green (ground) in outlets (everything should be grounded not just outlets). And he mixed sizes of wires, all wires in a circuit should be the same size, what ever is specified for the amperage of the circuit, but this bozo mixed different sizes. I can picture him in my mind, he's got a cigarette dangling from his mouth, he's wearing flip flops, shorts and a tank top and he is probably chatting on his cell phone while working. He is running the wire for an 8 room house and he comes to the job site with wire that was left over from the last job, so lets see I have some black and gray wire, I'll use that in the master bedroom. I have some blue and gray wire I will use that in the kitchen, hmm no more gray wire but I have this black and red wire, I'll use that in the living room, repeat as necessary for each room until the job is complete. Ya lets have regular people doing electrical installations.

[h90]

Not much point to having standards if nobody enforces them.

And who wants "regular" people doing electrical installation?

A regular person did the wiring in my new home, I'm sure he called himself an electrician but he wasn't, he used black and gray wires in some circuits, blue and gray wires in some circuits, black and red in some circuits and only used green (ground) in outlets (everything should be grounded not just outlets). And he mixed sizes of wires, all wires in a circuit should be the same size, what ever is specified for the amperage of the circuit, but this bozo mixed different sizes. I can picture him in my mind, he's got a cigarette dangling from his mouth, he's wearing flip flops, shorts and a tank top and he is probably chatting on his cell phone while working. He is running the wire for an 8 room house and he comes to the job site with wire that was left over from the last job, so lets see I have some black and gray wire, I'll use that in the master bedroom. I have some blue and gray wire I will use that in the kitchen, hmm no more gray wire but I have this black and red wire, I'll use that in the living room, repeat as necessary for each room until the job is complete. Ya lets have regular people doing electrical installations.

different size of wire doesn't matter, you can always use a bigger size than necessary.

the color of the wire does not matter as long it is clear what the colors mean, if you make neutral white, earth green it does not matter if the power is red, blue or black. No harm

Black and red is of course a bad idea.

Where do you want earth beside outlets? Lights doesn't need it.

And I assume that he costs 1/100 from a German specialist.

And I assume you let him install that braker (don't know the English name) that detects if electric goes over earth instead of neutral?

[h90]

Ah yes the Thai's understanding of electricity and fluid dynamics continues to impress me. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the lowest understanding and 10 the highest, I would rate Thai's understanding of electricity around 1 and their understanding of fluid dynamics around negative 1.

I have an idea, if flooding occurs, the government should send water pushing boats to push the water away from the electricity! That's the ticket!

Ah yes the Thai's understanding of electricity and fluid dynamics continues to impress me. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the lowest understanding and 10 the highest, I would rate Thai's understanding of electricity around 1 and their understanding of fluid dynamics around negative 1.

I have an idea, if flooding occurs, the government should send water pushing boats to push the water away from the electricity! That's the ticket!

Electric here has 2 different states "work" and "not work". Had a lathe with the housing on 220 Volt. Mai pen ray....everytime I press this button it shakes me but no problem......

random use earth and neutral. Connect earth everywhere but the green cable ends somewhere in the no where. After complain twist it with neutral....

etc etc

[RubbaJohnny]

Electric eels in Chablis as entree please

[vijer]

Not much point to having standards if nobody enforces them.

And who wants "regular" people doing electrical installation?

A regular person did the wiring in my new home, I'm sure he called himself an electrician but he wasn't, he used black and gray wires in some circuits, blue and gray wires in some circuits, black and red in some circuits and only used green (ground) in outlets (everything should be grounded not just outlets). And he mixed sizes of wires, all wires in a circuit should be the same size, what ever is specified for the amperage of the circuit, but this bozo mixed different sizes. I can picture him in my mind, he's got a cigarette dangling from his mouth, he's wearing flip flops, shorts and a tank top and he is probably chatting on his cell phone while working. He is running the wire for an 8 room house and he comes to the job site with wire that was left over from the last job, so lets see I have some black and gray wire, I'll use that in the master bedroom. I have some blue and gray wire I will use that in the kitchen, hmm no more gray wire but I have this black and red wire, I'll use that in the living room, repeat as necessary for each room until the job is complete. Ya lets have regular people doing electrical installations.

different size of wire doesn't matter, you can always use a bigger size than necessary.

the color of the wire does not matter as long it is clear what the colors mean, if you make neutral white, earth green it does not matter if the power is red, blue or black. No harm

Black and red is of course a bad idea.

Where do you want earth beside outlets? Lights doesn't need it.

And I assume that he costs 1/100 from a German specialist.

And I assume you let him install that braker (don't know the English name) that detects if electric goes over earth instead of neutral?

Sure you can use a size larger than specified but a professional would not mix sizes, it's shoddy work. Not to mention did the regular guy rate the circuit for the smaller wire or the larger wire? Oh it doesn't matter let's hope it doesn't fail.

Color does matter, It's about consistency, if I look at a set of wires and they are gray, black, green I know what each is for. But if every circuit is wired with different colors I have to make assumptions. Should I do that with electricity? Again a professional would not mix colors, it's shoddy work.

Sure lights don't need ground? Ah lets see, the load wire somehow breaks loose (probably because the regular guy doesn't know what a wire nut is and just twisted the wires together by hand and wrapped them in tape) and it makes contact with the metal housing of the light and I happen to be checking to see if the light bulb burned out and I touch the metal housing. No ground wire so maybe I end up completing the ground and bam I'm electrocuted. Sure I don't need that ground wire that maybe cost 200 bhat per light fixture. Again a professional would NOT omit the ground on ANY CIRCUIT, it's shoddy work.

Sure the regular guy probably cost 1/1000th the cost of a German electrician, but he isn't German, he isn't working in Germany and he isn't an electrician. He hasn't had any training, some other monkey showed him how to run wire so now he claims to be an electrician. But what were we talking about, having some kind of standards and regulations? Oh fudge who needs standards and regulations. When you get electrocuted we can all just say bummer H90 was a nice guy and go about drinking our next beer.

I don't understand your comment about the breaker (same terminology in the States). Only load and neutral are connected to a breaker, the earth ground wire goes to ground so that in the event that there is a short and the load or neutral wire makes contact with the housing the current goes to ground and so that a person doesn't complete the circuit. So assuming you are still talking out of your bum I guess you are asking if I let the regular guy connect one terminal on the circuit breaker to the ground wire and one to either the load or neutral wire. Sure and of course it probably wouldn't work in that configuration.

[h90]

Not much point to having standards if nobody enforces them.

And who wants "regular" people doing electrical installation?

A regular person did the wiring in my new home, I'm sure he called himself an electrician but he wasn't, he used black and gray wires in some circuits, blue and gray wires in some circuits, black and red in some circuits and only used green (ground) in outlets (everything should be grounded not just outlets). And he mixed sizes of wires, all wires in a circuit should be the same size, what ever is specified for the amperage of the circuit, but this bozo mixed different sizes. I can picture him in my mind, he's got a cigarette dangling from his mouth, he's wearing flip flops, shorts and a tank top and he is probably chatting on his cell phone while working. He is running the wire for an 8 room house and he comes to the job site with wire that was left over from the last job, so lets see I have some black and gray wire, I'll use that in the master bedroom. I have some blue and gray wire I will use that in the kitchen, hmm no more gray wire but I have this black and red wire, I'll use that in the living room, repeat as necessary for each room until the job is complete. Ya lets have regular people doing electrical installations.

different size of wire doesn't matter, you can always use a bigger size than necessary.

the color of the wire does not matter as long it is clear what the colors mean, if you make neutral white, earth green it does not matter if the power is red, blue or black. No harm

Black and red is of course a bad idea.

Where do you want earth beside outlets? Lights doesn't need it.

And I assume that he costs 1/100 from a German specialist.

And I assume you let him install that braker (don't know the English name) that detects if electric goes over earth instead of neutral?

Sure you can use a size larger than specified but a professional would not mix sizes, it's shoddy work. Not to mention did the regular guy rate the circuit for the smaller wire or the larger wire? Oh it doesn't matter let's hope it doesn't fail.

Color does matter, It's about consistency, if I look at a set of wires and they are gray, black, green I know what each is for. But if every circuit is wired with different colors I have to make assumptions. Should I do that with electricity? Again a professional would not mix colors, it's shoddy work.

Sure lights don't need ground? Ah lets see, the load wire somehow breaks loose (probably because the regular guy doesn't know what a wire nut is and just twisted the wires together by hand and wrapped them in tape) and it makes contact with the metal housing of the light and I happen to be checking to see if the light bulb burned out and I touch the metal housing. No ground wire so maybe I end up completing the ground and bam I'm electrocuted. Sure I don't need that ground wire that maybe cost 200 bhat per light fixture. Again a professional would NOT omit the ground on ANY CIRCUIT, it's shoddy work.

Sure the regular guy probably cost 1/1000th the cost of a German electrician, but he isn't German, he isn't working in Germany and he isn't an electrician. He hasn't had any training, some other monkey showed him how to run wire so now he claims to be an electrician. But what were we talking about, having some kind of standards and regulations? Oh fudge who needs standards and regulations. When you get electrocuted we can all just say bummer H90 was a nice guy and go about drinking our next beer.

I don't understand your comment about the breaker (same terminology in the States). Only load and neutral are connected to a breaker, the earth ground wire goes to ground so that in the event that there is a short and the load or neutral wire makes contact with the housing the current goes to ground and so that a person doesn't complete the circuit. So assuming you are still talking out of your bum I guess you are asking if I let the regular guy connect one terminal on the circuit breaker to the ground wire and one to either the load or neutral wire. Sure and of course it probably wouldn't work in that configuration.

Don't misunderstand me...I complete agree with all you say and maybe even more than you can imagine (my grandfather wired complex wirings in a large building in just 1 color and I am not the only one who would like to murder him for that, when replacing something).

But here it is a third world country...and it must be reasonable.....I wanted some small modification for 3 phase connection in Austria and we were on 1500 Euro for it. In Thailand it would be 1500 Baht. The complete 3 phase setup here. Labor safety box, connectors were 5 or 10.000 (can't recall).

Lights:

I thought more of a plastic light housings. I can't recall to have seen a metal one with a clamp for a earth....but you are right on a metal one it should have it....

I got a hundred of times in 220 Volt....it usually doesn't kill. What I want to say it is not as dangerous as it seems. Quit a few times I took my heavy shoes and worked on life 220 volt touching it. Of course standing without shoes in the water is a complete different story.

If we do here the real perfect system, it would mean to cut half the Thais from electric, because they don't have the money to have it perfect. And the ugly thing works without many problems.

In Europe it is standard and enforced since decades to have an FI (and I think FI is a German term and it is called different in outer countries). It measures the incoming and outgoing electric if there is a difference it cuts the house of (because something went over ground instead of neutral). It is hated because it tends to cut of the house if there is a thunderstorm with lighting. And lets say you are on holidays in the best case the food in the fridge/deep fridge is rotten in the worst case (winter) the heating is not working and your water tubes are broken.

I never saw such a device in Thailand. I guess it isn't necessary in the States because on the 110 Volt it doesn't matter much.

[Tywais]

In Europe it is standard and enforced since decades to have an FI (and I think FI is a German term and it is called different in outer countries). It measures the incoming and outgoing electric if there is a difference it cuts the house of (because something went over ground instead of neutral). It is hated because it tends to cut of the house if there is a thunderstorm with lighting. And lets say you are on holidays in the best case the food in the fridge/deep fridge is rotten in the worst case (winter) the heating is not working and your water tubes are broken.

I never saw such a device in Thailand. I guess it isn't necessary in the States because on the 110 Volt it doesn't matter much.

They are called GFI or GFCI (Ground Fault Circuit Interrupters). They are used in Thailand, both houses I've lived in had them but they are not mainstream. As for the US, definitely in use there and wide spread though not a legal requirement AFAIK.

I got a hundred of times in 220 Volt....it usually doesn't kill. What I want to say it is not as dangerous as it seems

Seriously bad information to pass on and hope no one is naive enough to listen to it.

[h90]

In Europe it is standard and enforced since decades to have an FI (and I think FI is a German term and it is called different in outer countries). It measures the incoming and outgoing electric if there is a difference it cuts the house of (because something went over ground instead of neutral). It is hated because it tends to cut of the house if there is a thunderstorm with lighting. And lets say you are on holidays in the best case the food in the fridge/deep fridge is rotten in the worst case (winter) the heating is not working and your water tubes are broken.

I never saw such a device in Thailand. I guess it isn't necessary in the States because on the 110 Volt it doesn't matter much.

They are called GFI or GFCI (Ground Fault Circuit Interrupters). They are used in Thailand, both houses I've lived in had them but they are not mainstream. As for the US, definitely in use there and wide spread though not a legal requirement AFAIK.

I got a hundred of times in 220 Volt....it usually doesn't kill. What I want to say it is not as dangerous as it seems

Seriously bad information to pass on and hope no one is naive enough to listen to it.

Everyone working with electric was already in the circuit several times....Unpleasant, risky, specially if you have a weak heart, but the usual labor just continue to work after touching 220 Volt.

[Chads]

In Europe it is standard and enforced since decades to have an FI (and I think FI is a German term and it is called different in outer countries). It measures the incoming and outgoing electric if there is a difference it cuts the house of (because something went over ground instead of neutral). It is hated because it tends to cut of the house if there is a thunderstorm with lighting. And lets say you are on holidays in the best case the food in the fridge/deep fridge is rotten in the worst case (winter) the heating is not working and your water tubes are broken.

I never saw such a device in Thailand. I guess it isn't necessary in the States because on the 110 Volt it doesn't matter much.

They are called GFI or GFCI (Ground Fault Circuit Interrupters). They are used in Thailand, both houses I've lived in had them but they are not mainstream. As for the US, definitely in use there and wide spread though not a legal requirement AFAIK.

I got a hundred of times in 220 Volt....it usually doesn't kill. What I want to say it is not as dangerous as it seems

Seriously bad information to pass on and hope no one is naive enough to listen to it.

Everyone working with electric was already in the circuit several times....Unpleasant, risky, specially if you have a weak heart, but the usual labor just continue to work after touching 220 Volt.

What about young children?

[h90]

What about young children?

right....I thought only about the installation......yes not good for kids, old people, sick people, people with heart problems, or for everyone who stay in the water.