Jatuporn Urges Government To Keep Close Watch On Pitak Siam Group

[rubl]

K. Jatuporn and his recurring 'there'll be a coup'

We had an interesting UDD press conference on the first of June, 2012 on this.

"AJARN THIDA:

The PAD protesters in front of the Parliament aim to a situation in which there is fighting in the streets. We must fall into their trap. We must keep our cool and stay put. The other side wants to create enough disturbances to justify military intervention. If the military intervenes, then you can be sure that we will retaliate. Let’s meet at the “Thunder dome”. Follow the news on Truth Today at 10:00 a.m., 1 p.m., 4 p.m. and midnight."

"JATUPORN:

What is the fate of our country ? A coup d’etat is looming ahead of us. This must be broadcast all over the country, over and over again. The Yingluck government is a disappointment for the oligarchy. The oligarchy may appear nice and polite but they are ready to stab you in the back.

If we continue in this way, the Yingluck government will not last beyond June 2012."

"DR. WENG:

Today will decide the future of our country. We are ready to fight. If they put our Prime Minister Yingluck in jail, we will go there, not afraid to die. We are in the millions ready to die tomorrow.

We are ready to die for democracy. We do not want to live in a country continuously plagued by coups."

http://uddred.blogsp...une-1-2012.html

Or watch the clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8m5ajYMjm5w

[firestar]

Exactly. But when for months, before any violence, protesters were asking for new elections - not a completely illegitimate request since it followed a party dissolution and (unlike in the UK) individual MPs "convinced" to cross the aisle after they had been voted in wearing the opposite colors - the response here was that asking for new elections, was undemocratic, unlawful, etc.... now Seh Ai actually asks for a "coup d'etat" and it's perfectly ok with the same posters. like I said....amazing TV.

As far as people changing sides, the main "party" that changed sides was a regional faction of the TRT/PPP that had been bought (not brought) into the Thaksin fold. They decided (for whatever reason) not to join with the PTP after the PPP was disbanded, but to have their own party (BJT), BEFORE there was even a decision to go to parliament to elect a new PM. So they had already decided they didn't want to be part of Thaksin's proxy party.

Besides that, in the 2007 election, there were parties that campaigned that they wouldn't join the PPP in a coalition, but after the election, DID. There weren't any PTP supporters/red shirts protesting against that.

Of course you would say a faction of TRT was bought, but (BJT) crossing the aisle after Abhisit's infamous meeting with Newin and Vichai Raksriaksorn was purely coincidendal, no offers would have been made oh no The five individual TRT members who switched sides also did so out of conviction, no doubt...

Anyway, you're are as often missing the point. If you condemn (rightly so) the red shirts for demanding new elections it's fair enough.

It's when the people who spent months saying it's the law, it's the law. cheer Seh Ai's group and their proposed military coup that I find the ultra-partisanship amusing.

[OzMick]

Exactly. But when for months, before any violence, protesters were asking for new elections - not a completely illegitimate request since it followed a party dissolution and (unlike in the UK) individual MPs "convinced" to cross the aisle after they had been voted in wearing the opposite colors - the response here was that asking for new elections, was undemocratic, unlawful, etc.... now Seh Ai actually asks for a "coup d'etat" and it's perfectly ok with the same posters. like I said....amazing TV.

As far as people changing sides, the main "party" that changed sides was a regional faction of the TRT/PPP that had been bought (not brought) into the Thaksin fold. They decided (for whatever reason) not to join with the PTP after the PPP was disbanded, but to have their own party (BJT), BEFORE there was even a decision to go to parliament to elect a new PM. So they had already decided they didn't want to be part of Thaksin's proxy party.

Besides that, in the 2007 election, there were parties that campaigned that they wouldn't join the PPP in a coalition, but after the election, DID. There weren't any PTP supporters/red shirts protesting against that.

Of course you would say a faction of TRT was bought, but (BJT) crossing the aisle after Abhisit's infamous meeting with Newin and Vichai Raksriaksorn was purely coincidendal, no offers would have been made oh no The five individual TRT members who switched sides also did so out of conviction, no doubt...

Anyway, you're are as often missing the point. If you condemn (rightly so) the red shirts for demanding new elections it's fair enough.

It's when the people who spent months saying it's the law, it's the law. cheer Seh Ai's group and their proposed military coup that I find the ultra-partisanship amusing.

So your problem is with the call for a coup rather than elections? People do have the right to peacefully voice their concerns over a government's behaviour - perhaps the coup talk is merely rhetoric, their way of ensuring that others will listen.

[whybother]

Of course you would say a faction of TRT was bought, but (BJT) crossing the aisle after Abhisit's infamous meeting with Newin and Vichai Raksriaksorn was purely coincidendal, no offers would have been made oh no The five individual TRT members who switched sides also did so out of conviction, no doubt...

Anyway, you're are as often missing the point. If you condemn (rightly so) the red shirts for demanding new elections it's fair enough.

It's when the people who spent months saying it's the law, it's the law. cheer Seh Ai's group and their proposed military coup that I find the ultra-partisanship amusing.

I am sure there were offers made to join a coalition with the Democrats, just as there were offers made to join with the TRT, PPP and PTP. One coalition member said that he had no choice - which to me means that what he was offered was too much to let go. But that is the nature of coalitions. It is the right of an elected MP to support whoever they want. If it upsets the people that voted for them, then maybe they should have been more careful in deciding who they voted for. But if they don't like it, the best they can do is vote them out at the next election. Of course, they can make their thoughts known by having a protest or rally, but it is up to the MP(s) in question as to what they do. The only people that can complain about the MPs that changed sides are the people that voted for them.

I don't condemn the red shirts for demanding new elections. I condemn them for the way they did it and the excuses they used for it. And I certainly don't support the current rallies with their calls for a coup. I don't like going around in circles. But they do have good reasons to protest against the current government.

[firestar]

So your problem is with the call for a coup rather than elections? People do have the right to peacefully voice their concerns over a government's behaviour - perhaps the coup talk is merely rhetoric, their way of ensuring that others will listen.

Absolutely, but it isn't what many here were saying only a few months back, I also wouldn't say calling for military insurrection is the same as calling for elections.

But personally I totally agree with you, people should be allowed to voice their concern, demonstrations and marches are a fundamental part of the democratic process. even if it means this merry go round will unfortunately never stop.

Edited October 30, 2012 by firestar

[whybother]

So your problem is with the call for a coup rather than elections? People do have the right to peacefully voice their concerns over a government's behaviour - perhaps the coup talk is merely rhetoric, their way of ensuring that others will listen.

Absolutely, but it isn't what many here were saying only a few months back, I also wouldn't say calling for military insurrection is the same as calling for elections.

But personally I totally agree with you, people should be allowed to voice their concern, demonstrations and marches are a fundamental part of the democratic process. even if it means this merry go round will unfortunately never stop.

In 2010 the Democrat government allowed peaceful demonstrations. It's when they got violent that it had to be stopped.

[firestar]

So your problem is with the call for a coup rather than elections? People do have the right to peacefully voice their concerns over a government's behaviour - perhaps the coup talk is merely rhetoric, their way of ensuring that others will listen.

Absolutely, but it isn't what many here were saying only a few months back, I also wouldn't say calling for military insurrection is the same as calling for elections.

But personally I totally agree with you, people should be allowed to voice their concern, demonstrations and marches are a fundamental part of the democratic process. even if it means this merry go round will unfortunately never stop.

In 2010 the Democrat government allowed peaceful demonstrations. It's when they got violent that it had to be stopped.

That is debatable... but my point wasn't about the government, it was about posters here.

Edited October 30, 2012 by firestar

[Thaddeus]

Jatuporn reminds me of Iago....

Even now, now, very now, an old black ram

Is tupping your white ewe.

But, somewhat lacking in charm.with an innate and I would think acciddental accuracy.

'Tis not a year or two shows us a man:

They are all but stomachs, and we all but food;

They eat us hungerly, and when they are full,

They belch us.

[TruthEyes]

No doubt about the intent of this pamilitary group then.

The Government should heed Jattuporns advice, and then declare this Pitak Siam fringe group,the "terrorist organisation" that it is, and disband it, and charge its leaders, and their invisible hand backers..

[DocN]

So your problem is with the call for a coup rather than elections? People do have the right to peacefully voice their concerns over a government's behaviour - perhaps the coup talk is merely rhetoric, their way of ensuring that others will listen.

Absolutely, but it isn't what many here were saying only a few months back, I also wouldn't say calling for military insurrection is the same as calling for elections.

But personally I totally agree with you, people should be allowed to voice their concern, demonstrations and marches are a fundamental part of the democratic process. even if it means this merry go round will unfortunately never stop.

In 2010 the Democrat government allowed peaceful demonstrations. It's when they got violent that it had to be stopped.

Wrong!

They should have been stopped long before the violence occured.

Unfortunately, this hasn't been/ couldn't be done.

[whybother]

No doubt about the intent of this pamilitary group then.

The Government should heed Jattuporns advice, and then declare this Pitak Siam fringe group,the "terrorist organisation" that it is, and disband it, and charge its leaders, and their invisible hand backers..

Trolling again?

[h90]

No doubt about the intent of this pamilitary group then.

The Government should heed Jattuporns advice, and then declare this Pitak Siam fringe group,the "terrorist organisation" that it is, and disband it, and charge its leaders, and their invisible hand backers..

Trolling again?

Why...this is/was very common in good red democratic countries....German Democratic Republic, Democratic People's Republic of North Korea

[Nickymaster]

A lot of nervous Reds are commenting on a rally that according to Chalerm only drew 1500 people and would not build up any momentum.

Soo funny.

[OzMick]

No doubt about the intent of this pamilitary group then.

The Government should heed Jattuporns advice, and then declare this Pitak Siam fringe group,the "terrorist organisation" that it is, and disband it, and charge its leaders, and their invisible hand backers..

Oh my, all the little buzz words, and in the correct order too!

adj

1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) denoting or relating to a group of personnel with military structure functioning either as a civil force or in support of military forces

2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) denoting or relating to a force with military structure conducting armed operations against a ruling or occupying power

Please read the definition of "paramilitary" and explain how it applies to Pitak Siam, and not to the red shirts. That should be "enlightening".

Edited October 31, 2012 by OzMick

[Nickymaster]

K. Jatuporn and his recurring 'there'll be a coup'

We had an interesting UDD press conference on the first of June, 2012 on this.

"AJARN THIDA:

The PAD protesters in front of the Parliament aim to a situation in which there is fighting in the streets. We must fall into their trap. We must keep our cool and stay put. The other side wants to create enough disturbances to justify military intervention. If the military intervenes, then you can be sure that we will retaliate. Let's meet at the "Thunder dome". Follow the news on Truth Today at 10:00 a.m., 1 p.m., 4 p.m. and midnight."

"JATUPORN:

What is the fate of our country ? A coup d'etat is looming ahead of us. This must be broadcast all over the country, over and over again. The Yingluck government is a disappointment for the oligarchy. The oligarchy may appear nice and polite but they are ready to stab you in the back.

If we continue in this way, the Yingluck government will not last beyond June 2012."

"DR. WENG:

Today will decide the future of our country. We are ready to fight. If they put our Prime Minister Yingluck in jail, we will go there, not afraid to die. We are in the millions ready to die tomorrow.

We are ready to die for democracy. We do not want to live in a country continuously plagued by coups."

http://uddred.blogsp...une-1-2012.html

Or watch the clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8m5ajYMjm5w

Thanks for sharing.

The reds don't want to live in a country continuously plagued by coups.

But living in a country continuously plagued by corruption is fine for them...

Weng, if you and your clan would STOP STEALING from this country and start following some laws, there will be NO COUP. Get it??

Edited October 31, 2012 by Nickymaster

[saltandpepper]

K. Jatuporn and his recurring 'there'll be a coup'

We had an interesting UDD press conference on the first of June, 2012 on this.

"AJARN THIDA:

The PAD protesters in front of the Parliament aim to a situation in which there is fighting in the streets. We must fall into their trap. We must keep our cool and stay put. The other side wants to create enough disturbances to justify military intervention. If the military intervenes, then you can be sure that we will retaliate. Let's meet at the "Thunder dome". Follow the news on Truth Today at 10:00 a.m., 1 p.m., 4 p.m. and midnight."

"JATUPORN:

What is the fate of our country ? A coup d'etat is looming ahead of us. This must be broadcast all over the country, over and over again. The Yingluck government is a disappointment for the oligarchy. The oligarchy may appear nice and polite but they are ready to stab you in the back.

If we continue in this way, the Yingluck government will not last beyond June 2012."

"DR. WENG:

Today will decide the future of our country. We are ready to fight. If they put our Prime Minister Yingluck in jail, we will go there, not afraid to die. We are in the millions ready to die tomorrow.

We are ready to die for democracy. We do not want to live in a country continuously plagued by coups."

http://uddred.blogsp...une-1-2012.html

Or watch the clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8m5ajYMjm5w

Thanks for sharing.

The reds don't want to live in a country continuously plagued by coups.

But living in a country continuously plagued by corruption is fine for them...

Weng, if you and your clan would STOP STEALING from this country and start following some laws, there will be NO COUP. Get it??

Weng, you are not afraid to die?? This is NOT what you demonstrated in May 2010...... You were supposed to fight until death...Well actually, you just surrendered, same as the brave leaders who stayed in 5 star hotel, and promised to fight to death in order to protect the reds, but were too happy to surrender....

Stop talking with your butt.

[Skywalker69]

An anti-government mob led by a retired officer actually asking for a military coup cheered by the same posters who spent months condemning similar tactics ..haha amazing TV.

Did they use violence? Are you for Democracy? Is it in a Democracy allowed to demonstrate if you are not using violence?

[Skywalker69]

K. Jatuporn and his recurring 'there'll be a coup'

We had an interesting UDD press conference on the first of June, 2012 on this.

"AJARN THIDA:

The PAD protesters in front of the Parliament aim to a situation in which there is fighting in the streets. We must fall into their trap. We must keep our cool and stay put. The other side wants to create enough disturbances to justify military intervention. If the military intervenes, then you can be sure that we will retaliate. Let's meet at the "Thunder dome". Follow the news on Truth Today at 10:00 a.m., 1 p.m., 4 p.m. and midnight."

"JATUPORN:

What is the fate of our country ? A coup d'etat is looming ahead of us. This must be broadcast all over the country, over and over again. The Yingluck government is a disappointment for the oligarchy. The oligarchy may appear nice and polite but they are ready to stab you in the back.

If we continue in this way, the Yingluck government will not last beyond June 2012."

"DR. WENG:

Today will decide the future of our country. We are ready to fight. If they put our Prime Minister Yingluck in jail, we will go there, not afraid to die. We are in the millions ready to die tomorrow.

We are ready to die for democracy. We do not want to live in a country continuously plagued by coups."

http://uddred.blogsp...une-1-2012.html

Or watch the clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8m5ajYMjm5w

Thanks for sharing.

The reds don't want to live in a country continuously plagued by coups.

But living in a country continuously plagued by corruption is fine for them...

Weng, if you and your clan would STOP STEALING from this country and start following some laws, there will be NO COUP. Get it??

Weng, you are not afraid to die?? This is NOT what you demonstrated in May 2010...... You were supposed to fight until death...Well actually, you just surrendered, same as the brave leaders who stayed in 5 star hotel, and promised to fight to death in order to protect the reds, but were too happy to surrender....

Stop talking with your butt.

Also the Man "afar" promised to come back and fight with his red Shirts, but went shopping in Paris with his daughter.

[DocN]

An anti-government mob led by a retired officer actually asking for a military coup cheered by the same posters who spent months condemning similar tactics ..haha amazing TV.

Did they use violence? Are you for Democracy? Is it in a Democracy allowed to demonstrate if you are not using violence?

As I said before: I don't care anymore who runs this country to the ground, but...asking for a coup and cheering for it, is the furthest thing from a democratic idea (just beaten by actually doing it!), that you can get!

A demonstration (even more a peaceful one) is absolutely part of democracy.

But let's take this (theoretically) a bit further and imagine a peaceful demonstration in your homecountry by a facist mob!

Yeah...all peaceful...but what is asked for, also sets the tone.

You can hardly set the ground for a demonstration, according to democratic- principals ...and what you demonstrate for is basically to negate democracy!

I am all for demonstrations, even if they -for a short time- disturb the almighty peace eg keeping shoppers from entering their favorite mall...because that is (IMHO) part of a demonstration.

If you start to negate other peoples rights (like the Reds did, by closing off whole areas for their "camps"), you are not acceptable any more and leave democratic grounds...or at least are on very swampy ones.

But also if your goals are undemocratic in your goals, you leave that ground.

[Soi Sauce]

An anti-government mob led by a retired officer actually asking for a military coup cheered by the same posters who spent months condemning similar tactics ..haha amazing TV.

Did they use violence? Are you for Democracy? Is it in a Democracy allowed to demonstrate if you are not using violence?

As I said before: I don't care anymore who runs this country to the ground, but...asking for a coup and cheering for it, is the furthest thing from a democratic idea (just beaten by actually doing it!), that you can get!

A demonstration (even more a peaceful one) is absolutely part of democracy.

But let's take this (theoretically) a bit further and imagine a peaceful demonstration in your homecountry by a facist mob!

Yeah...all peaceful...but what is asked for, also sets the tone.

You can hardly set the ground for a demonstration, according to democratic- principals ...and what you demonstrate for is basically to negate democracy!

I am all for demonstrations, even if they -for a short time- disturb the almighty peace eg keeping shoppers from entering their favorite mall...because that is (IMHO) part of a demonstration.

If you start to negate other peoples rights (like the Reds did, by closing off whole areas for their "camps"), you are not acceptable any more and leave democratic grounds...or at least are on very swampy ones.

But also if your goals are undemocratic in your goals, you leave that ground.

Re, the last line; Who said, "Democracy is not my aim?" Think it was the reds' self-proclaimed,democracy when it suits him,champion of the poor, as long as not a penny of it is his dosh.

Get real and fight fire with fire.

The only way for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

[siampolee]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/PMS-DECLARATIONDemocracy-is-not-my-goal-90

Thaksin suggests he'll block any move for amendments to rein in his power Prime Minister

Thaksin

Shinawatra yesterday revealed for the first time the value he places on democracy, saying it was not the foremost thing Thailand needed. In a candid statement made ominous by its release on Constitution Day,

Thaksin

said that as long as the country could progress and the people were happy, he was not concerned about the means used. "Democracy is a good and beautiful thing, but it's not the ultimate goal as far as administering the country is concerned," he said. "Democracy is just a tool, not our goal

Soi Sauce In support of the comment you made I have pasted the opening comments and the link so as the less enlightened members of society can see just what Thaksins view is on democracy and the democratic process.

[ratcatcher]

edited post.see below

Edited November 1, 2012 by ratcatcher

[DocN]

http://www.nationmul...-not-my-goal-90

Thaksin suggests he'll block any move for amendments to rein in his power Prime Minister

Thaksin

Shinawatra yesterday revealed for the first time the value he places on democracy, saying it was not the foremost thing Thailand needed. In a candid statement made ominous by its release on Constitution Day,

Thaksin

said that as long as the country could progress and the people were happy, he was not concerned about the means used. "Democracy is a good and beautiful thing, but it's not the ultimate goal as far as administering the country is concerned," he said. "Democracy is just a tool, not our goal

Soi Sauce In support of the comment you made I have pasted the opening comments and the link so as the less enlightened members of society can see just what Thaksins view is on democracy and the democratic process.

Is that said in the same country that majority- wise is "okay" with corruption and the death- sentence?

[ratcatcher]

Jatuporn reminds me of Iago....

Even now, now, very now, an old black ram

Is tupping your white ewe.

But, somewhat lacking in charm.with an innate and I would think acciddental accuracy.

'Tis not a year or two shows us a man:

They are all but stomachs, and we all but food;

They eat us hungerly, and when they are full,

They belch us.

The irony is that Iago's master (Othello) was a noble man and had integrity, whereas Jatuporn's master lacks both

Edited November 1, 2012 by ratcatcher

[mrtoad]

Can't somebody keep a close watch on this fat terrorist, who has a history of thuggery,intimidation, arson, rioting , inflamatory speeches, and public disorder on his CV?

[siampolee]

Is that said in the same country that majority- wise is "okay" with corruption and the death- sentence?

Doc N post # 53.

Name that country and its present Prime Minister

The poll that condoned corruption was conducted very recently, under a filial Thaksin regime and long after Thaksin made that statement .

I haven't noticed any of the Thaksin regimes making any suggestions concerning the revoking of the death penalty. as yet

Nice try to draw attention away from the real facts concerning Thaksins real agenda

Edited November 1, 2012 by siampolee