Baby Passport

[carra]

Sorry not sure if this is the right thread.

i am about to apply for my baby's first passport, British passport, British father and Thai mother.

We are married, I am on the birth certificate as the father, his nationality on certificate says 'Thai' so not sure if this is a problem, and I have not registered his birth at the British Embassy as i was told this is not required to get his passport.

Can anyone see any problem with the above to get his first British passport?

thanks in advance

[theoldgit]

If you are British and the childs father and noted on the birth certificate as so, then your son is entitled to a British Passport.

You are correct, there is no need to register his birth at the British Embassy, your son is entitled to British Citizenship by virtue of yours..

I assume you have already read the appropriate website http://ukinhongkong.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/passports/how-to-apply/thailand/first-time-applications

[carra]

yes and downloaded the relevant form, but I like to double check with people that may have already done it just in case I am missing something.

thanks for the reply

[samran]

no problem at all. Your child, being born in Thailnd to a Thai citizen is also Thai. As such, the Thai birth certificate will reflect this.

Be sure also to apply for Thai passport for travel to/from Thailand for your child as well.

Edited November 2, 2012 by samran

[7by7]

your son is entitled to British Citizenship by virtue of yours..

Provided you are British otherwise than by descent.

There are basically two forms of British citizenship; British by descent or British otherwise than by descent.

British by descent means that you inherited your British nationality from one or both of your parents; usually because you were born outside the UK or a qualifying territory.

British nationality can only descend one generation, so if you are British by descent then your children will only be British if they qualify in their own right by being born in the UK or a qualifying territory.

British otherwise than by descent means that you are British in your own right; usually because you were born in the UK or a qualifying territory and at least one of your parents is British or was legally settled in the UK or the qualifying territory where you were born, or by some other means such as naturalisation.

If you are British otherwise than by descent then your children will be British no matter where they are born.

If you are British otherwise than by descent you will need to include your long form birth certificate in your child's passport application ti show this.

If you are British by descent then your child is not currently British, but you can register him as such.

[DannyDakota]

No problem whatsoever assuming you send off all the stuff the form requires, I did it for my son last year.

Also got his Thai passport which was very efficiently done.

Obvioulsy he couldnt sign his name so the Thai passport office wanted him to 'sign' with his thumb print.

But we didnt want him then to suck off all the ink so they took his big toe print on the application form and this shows up as a completely useless smudge on his passport.........

Great stuff.

In case you are interested, he used both passports on a recent trip to the UK.

[dave3113uk]

your son is entitled to British Citizenship by virtue of yours..

Provided you are British otherwise than by descent.

There are basically two forms of British citizenship; British by descent or British otherwise than by descent.

British by descent means that you inherited your British nationality from one or both of your parents; usually because you were born outside the UK or a qualifying territory.

British nationality can only descend one generation, so if you are British by descent then your children will only be British if they qualify in their own right by being born in the UK or a qualifying territory.

British otherwise than by descent means that you are British in your own right; usually because you were born in the UK or a qualifying territory and at least one of your parents is British or was legally settled in the UK or the qualifying territory where you were born, or by some other means such as naturalisation.

If you are British otherwise than by descent then your children will be British no matter where they are born.

If you are British otherwise than by descent you will need to include your long form birth certificate in your child's passport application ti show this.

If you are British by descent then your child is not currently British, but you can register him as such.

hi, i have just got my son a passport under the exact same circumstances. birth cert will say thai if born here, and no need to register birth to obtain passport. registering the birth will allow free nhs treatment if the child ever stays in the uk. Consulate will require your original birth cert, not a copy. Embassy were also very helpfull with our application.

[pipchatel]

Hi I did all as your self here, but think later on you will do better to get him registered for a UK birth certificate in Bangkok and have it recorded in UK to. Its not too difficult Just the Child's Thai birth certificate( translation needed), Your UK birth certificate (original) . It will save you a lot of grief later as to N H, NI and many other things, go for it.

[markie53]

Slightly changing the subject - my son was born in the UK, birth registered in the UK with my name on certificate. Me and his mum are married, his birth also registered with the thai embassy in London. Hypothetically, if we applied for a Thai passport in London, would he be able to travel to Thailand on that passport and return back to the uk on it? Ie would UKBA have issues with no visa even though he was born and registered here?

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[samran]

Slightly changing the subject - my son was born in the UK, birth registered in the UK with my name on certificate. Me and his mum are married, his birth also registered with the thai embassy in London. Hypothetically, if we applied for a Thai passport in London, would he be able to travel to Thailand on that passport and return back to the uk on it? Ie would UKBA have issues with no visa even though he was born and registered here?

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He will have both passports. British one to exit and enter the UK and Thai one to enter and exit Thailand. No need for visas in this case.

[bkk_mike]

You should be able to get the Thai passport at the embassy. But unless you get a vignette (sticker) in it from the UKBA confirming the baby's right to live in the UK, he won't be able to return on the Thai passport.

Usual solution is to get the UK passport. i.e. Either get both passports and exit/enter the UK on the British one (legal requirement once a passport is issued) an enter Thailand on the Thai or British passport. (no overstay fine for kids)

Note: For children born in the UK you can't get their first Thai passport in Thailand as it's only the Thai embassy that will deal with UK birth certificates.

[7by7]

Hi I did all as your self here, but think later on you will do better to get him registered for a UK birth certificate in Bangkok and have it recorded in UK to. Its not too difficult Just the Child's Thai birth certificate( translation needed), Your UK birth certificate (original) . It will save you a lot of grief later as to N H, NI and many other things, go for it.

Consular birth registration is completely voluntary and will have no effect on the child's British nationality or right to services should they move to the UK. NHS treatment, for example, is dependent on residency, not nationality.

From How to register a birth

There is no requirement for a consular birth registration to be done for any birth that has occurred overseas. The original birth certificate issued by the authorities in the country in which the birth took place, along with a notarised translation if necessary, is sufficient for all purposes in the UK (including passport applications).

Note that consular registration does not confer British nationality onto the child and can only be done if the child is automatically British.

The UK government's charges and fees for consular services and visas are outrageously high; and I am against giving them more than is necessary; but if you want to pay the fee of £105 for the registration and £65 for each copy of the document, that is up to you.

[DannyDakota]

Hi I did all as your self here, but think later on you will do better to get him registered for a UK birth certificate in Bangkok and have it recorded in UK to. Its not too difficult Just the Child's Thai birth certificate( translation needed), Your UK birth certificate (original) . It will save you a lot of grief later as to N H, NI and many other things, go for it.

I have just returned from a trip to UK with my son and I can confirm what 7by7 posted: it is unnecessary for the things you mention (if N H means NHS ......)

[carra]

thanks for the info

[Richard W]

If you are British and the childs father and noted on the birth certificate as so, then your son is entitled to a British Passport.

Of course, if we're going to quibble, the only thing your son is entitled to is a revoked certificate of the right of abode, dependent on the payment of a fee and the submission of a valid non-British passport. The preferred alternative is normally a British passport, but no-one has the right to a British passport, at least, not under British law.