Red Shirts Warned Against Getting Near Pitak Siam Rally Site

[jayboy]

Red Shirt supporters who contemplate any movement must consult three core leaders, she said. In addition to Mrs Thida, Jatuporn Prompan and Nattawut Saikua are two other top leaders.

uh oh.. the last time someone attempted to dictate which of of the many Red Shirt Leaders were the real top Red Shirt Leaders, that someone was shot in the head a week later.

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5266171

Hopefully, the Red Shirts have calmed down since then.

Another harbinger back to the above situation of disagreements within the Red Shirt leadership is Red Shirt Leader and Pheu Thai Party MP Worachai has said Red Shirts will amass in three different areas surrounding Bangkok in reaction to the Pitak Siam rally and will enter the city if there are any incidents at the rally..

He also stated a fourth group of Red Shirts will rally inside Bangkok in the Wong Wian Yai district.

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The usual suspects are in a bind here.The impending fascist rally - which they of course enthusiastically support though are "shy" about admitting it - is a public relations disaster in the making.The government and redshirts in contrast seem to be acting responsibly.The truth is the usual suspects are enraged by the international recognition andpraise the PM is receiving and desperately look to belittle the redshirts which they see as a weak link.How the usual suspects twist and turn.

[whybother]

The usual suspects are in a bind here.The impending fascist rally - which they of course enthusiastically support though are "shy" about admitting it - is a public relations disaster in the making.The government and redshirts in contrast seem to be acting responsibly.The truth is the usual suspects are enraged by the international recognition andpraise the PM is receiving and desperately look to belittle the redshirts which they see as a weak link.How the usual suspects twist and turn.

" enthusiastically support though are "shy" about admitting it"

In other words, NOT enthusiastically supporting.

[KinM]

Red Shirts are pro democracy, and are the enforcement arm of the PT Government, and Thaksin. China had the Red Guard, Cambodia has the Kamer Rogue, Germamy had the Brown shirts, and USA has the IRS. No difference.

red shirts are pro red democracy which does not resemble real democracy.

One side promotes elections while the other is calling for a military coup to overthrow the elected government followed by a 5 year cessation to them.

Ummm...which one is pro-democracy??????????????????????????????

Now, now lets stay on topic. Origional post stated the red shirts are pro democracy...Nothing about another side as you state.

As I said the red shirts are pro red democracy which does not resemble real democracy. I will throw in that the red shirts are anti free speach which is also not pro democracy.

Red shirts are pro-democracy. That's why the government they support, are condemning this democratic protests, labelling them as undemocratic, because it is against their authority. There are no double-standards in this country either.

[Moruya]

Red Shirt supporters who contemplate any movement must consult three core leaders, she said. In addition to Mrs Thida, Jatuporn Prompan and Nattawut Saikua are two other top leaders.

uh oh.. the last time someone attempted to dictate which of of the many Red Shirt Leaders were the real top Red Shirt Leaders, that someone was shot in the head a week later.

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5266171

Hopefully, the Red Shirts have calmed down since then.

Another harbinger back to the above situation of disagreements within the Red Shirt leadership is Red Shirt Leader and Pheu Thai Party MP Worachai has said Red Shirts will amass in three different areas surrounding Bangkok in reaction to the Pitak Siam rally and will enter the city if there are any incidents at the rally..

He also stated a fourth group of Red Shirts will rally inside Bangkok in the Wong Wian Yai district.

.

The usual suspects are in a bind here.The impending fascist rally - which they of course enthusiastically support though are "shy" about admitting it - is a public relations disaster in the making.The government and redshirts in contrast seem to be acting responsibly.The truth is the usual suspects are enraged by the international recognition andpraise the PM is receiving and desperately look to belittle the redshirts which they see as a weak link.How the usual suspects twist and turn.

Now remind me...... Who wanted to burn all the Muslim mosques?

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[tomross46]

Red Shirts are pro democracy, and are the enforcement arm of the PT Government, and Thaksin. China had the Red Guard, Cambodia has the Kamer Rogue, Germamy had the Brown shirts, and USA has the IRS. No difference.

red shirts are pro red democracy which does not resemble real democracy.

One side promotes elections while the other is calling for a military coup to overthrow the elected government followed by a 5 year cessation to them.

Ummm...which one is pro-democracy??????????????????????????????

Now, now lets stay on topic. Origional post stated the red shirts are pro democracy...Nothing about another side as you state.

As I said the red shirts are pro red democracy which does not resemble real democracy. I will throw in that the red shirts are anti free speach which is also not pro democracy.

I agree, that the Red Shirts are against free speach, but democracy is all in how you define it. Hitler brought democracy to Germany, Mao brought democracy to China, Perdi brought democracy to Siam, in 1932. By definition USA is not a democracy, it is a REPUBLIC.

[Buchholz]

Red Shirt supporters who contemplate any movement must consult three core leaders, she said. In addition to Mrs Thida, Jatuporn Prompan and Nattawut Saikua are two other top leaders.

uh oh.. the last time someone attempted to dictate which of of the many Red Shirt Leaders were the real top Red Shirt Leaders, that someone was shot in the head a week later.

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5266171

Hopefully, the Red Shirts have calmed down since then.

Another harbinger back to the above situation of disagreements within the Red Shirt leadership is Red Shirt Leader and Pheu Thai Party MP Worachai has said Red Shirts will amass in three different areas surrounding Bangkok in reaction to the Pitak Siam rally and will enter the city if there are any incidents at the rally..

He also stated a fourth group of Red Shirts will rally inside Bangkok in the Wong Wian Yai district.

The usual suspects are in a bind here.The impending fascist rally - which they of course enthusiastically support though are "shy" about admitting it - is a public relations disaster in the making.The government and redshirts in contrast seem to be acting responsibly.The truth is the usual suspects are enraged by the international recognition andpraise the PM is receiving and desperately look to belittle the redshirts which they see as a weak link.How the usual suspects twist and turn.

The usual suspect misrepresenting what others post is in a bind here. Despite the absence of any posts to validate his erroneous theory of support, he nevertheless goes ahead and makes his misrepresentation of non-existent posts.

He then goes on to gloss over the clearly divided Red Shirt position on how to deal with the current situation as supported by the above post.

He concludes with feebly attempting to connect an entirely different subject to this issue as motivation for posts that were never written.

Oh, how the usual suspect spins and confabulates.

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Edited November 17, 2012 by Buchholz

[rixalex]

The impending fascist rally - which they of course enthusiastically support though are "shy" about admitting it - is a public relations disaster in the making.

Back to the old fascism labelling thing. As i have said before, if you are not willing to explain how it is you define the term, for whatever reason, i really do think it's a bit of a cheap debating tactic to throw it about so willy-nilly.

The PAD and associated groups have in their history floated a few ideas which in my view do have fascist tendencies, but in the main the thrust of their belief that continues to unite them, i think has nothing to do with fascism, but rather to do with a loyalty to His Majesty and a dislike and distrust towards Thaksin, his movement, and what they think it may bring in the future.

As for enthusiastically supporting something but being shy about admitting it - that does sound an awfully familiar trait around these parts doesn't it? - but speaking for myself with regards this protest, i don't support it enthusiastically or otherwise. I think it is completely unnecessary. Contrary to your confident positive belief, i think the government and the red shirts are going nowhere fast, and the gradual push to this central goal they share of bringing back Thaksin (as if he can't come back of his own accord?!) is going to continue gaining momentum as patience in Dubai grows ever thinner. And as it continues gaining momentum, as more time gets devoted to this folly task, as more rules get bent and changed trying to enable it, more pressure will mount on the government of its own accord, without any need for pressure groups or protesting, which in general Thai people have already had a belly full of.

[Mitker]

Can someone give me a breakdown on who's red shirt and who's yellow and what a Pitak is?

Pitak Siam (Protect Siam) is led by Boonlert Kaewprasit whos stated aim is to overthrow the PT government by any means, and freeze the country for 5 years, and Sondhi Linthongkul, a convicted fraudster. Pitak Siam is supported by the 'Peoples Alliance for Democracy' (yellow shirts), the 'Network of Monarchy Protection Volunteers' led by Boworn Yasinthorn and others. The Democrat Party claim their not involved, but heavly advertise PT rallies on their satellite TV station 'Blue Sky'. At the October PT rally a group from the Communist Party of Thailand attended.

While Red Shirts are nice, friendly, poor people who just ask for some justice from the bad ones.

They would never, let's say, illegally occupy entire neighborhoods, park fuel trucks in populated areas of Bangkok and threaten to put them ablaze, storm hospitals with firearms, parade stolen dead bodies, carry firearms and use them against who seems not to follow their way, burn down properties, use children are human shields... just to get their guys on command.

Oh, no. Never. They truly respect the very spirit of democracy (some tears here)

[OzMick]

One side promotes elections while the other is calling for a military coup to overthrow the elected government followed by a 5 year cessation to them.Ummm...which one is pro-democracy??????????????????????????????

Promotes elections? All that destruction, death, mayhem, burning, vandalisation in Bangkok, was all just a bit of election promotion.

Excuse me why do you have a question mark followed by a childish horizontal laughing man after a statement. If you really think PT & reds don't like elections you have got the wrong end of the stick.Why wouldn't they promote elections when they are up against a detestable, perennial loser?

Methinks you have the wrong end of the grenade launcher.

The red bunch want a single party state a la Cambodia

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But it will be a single party state with elections, so that's all right.

[nurofiend]

i hope there's no red shirts around for this, i'd assume there'll be a small crowd who pay no heed to what they're being asked though.

hopefully not.

leave the shameful coup callers to their own devices, i say.

[OzMick]

Red Shirt supporters who contemplate any movement must consult three core leaders, she said. In addition to Mrs Thida, Jatuporn Prompan and Nattawut Saikua are two other top leaders.

uh oh.. the last time someone attempted to dictate which of of the many Red Shirt Leaders were the real top Red Shirt Leaders, that someone was shot in the head a week later.

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5266171

Hopefully, the Red Shirts have calmed down since then.

Another harbinger back to the above situation of disagreements within the Red Shirt leadership is Red Shirt Leader and Pheu Thai Party MP Worachai has said Red Shirts will amass in three different areas surrounding Bangkok in reaction to the Pitak Siam rally and will enter the city if there are any incidents at the rally..

He also stated a fourth group of Red Shirts will rally inside Bangkok in the Wong Wian Yai district.

.

The usual suspects are in a bind here.The impending fascist rally - which they of course enthusiastically support though are "shy" about admitting it - is a public relations disaster in the making.The government and redshirts in contrast seem to be acting responsibly.The truth is the usual suspects are enraged by the international recognition andpraise the PM is receiving and desperately look to belittle the redshirts which they see as a weak link.How the usual suspects twist and turn.

You continue to push the "fascist" label despite obvious contradictory evidence.

Scientific theory says that a theory is good only until evidence proves it wrong, when you then use the new evidence to fashion a better theory. This has been the basis of the huge advances in the last few centuries. OTOH you prefer to twist and distort the evidence to support your pet theory, a method which leads to ignorance and dogma of the centuries before. It also still seems to be popular in the social sciences.

[nurofiend]

The usual suspects are in a bind here.The impending fascist rally - which they of course enthusiastically support though are "shy" about admitting it - is a public relations disaster in the making.The government and redshirts in contrast seem to be acting responsibly.The truth is the usual suspects are enraged by the international recognition andpraise the PM is receiving and desperately look to belittle the redshirts which they see as a weak link.How the usual suspects twist and turn.

You continue to push the "fascist" label despite obvious contradictory evidence.

out of interest, such as?

[whybother]

i hope there's no red shirts around for this, i'd assume there'll be a small crowd who pay no heed to what they're being asked though.

hopefully not.

leave the shameful coup callers to their own devices, i say.

The red shirts have been warned not to turn up. But they're planning to protest not too far away so they can get there quick if trouble starts. They don't trust the police to be able to handle it either.

[nurofiend]

i hope there's no red shirts around for this, i'd assume there'll be a small crowd who pay no heed to what they're being asked though.

hopefully not.

leave the shameful coup callers to their own devices, i say.

The red shirts have been warned not to turn up. But they're planning to protest not too far away so they can get there quick if trouble starts. They don't trust the police to be able to handle it either.

able to handle what, a peaceful protest?

or are you expecting violence from the PS constitution breaking coup calling group?

[OzMick]

i hope there's no red shirts around for this, i'd assume there'll be a small crowd who pay no heed to what they're being asked though.

hopefully not.

leave the shameful coup callers to their own devices, i say.

Does it matter when you call for a coup and nobody listens? You know, like when a tree falls in a forest ..........

And I also hope the red shirts stay away, because there is quite a few of them who have accepted what they were told, that violence is an acceptable way to make your political point. Nor should it surprise you that there is an element who enjoys the violence and seek only an excuse to engage in it.

[OzMick]

The usual suspects are in a bind here.The impending fascist rally - which they of course enthusiastically support though are "shy" about admitting it - is a public relations disaster in the making.The government and redshirts in contrast seem to be acting responsibly.The truth is the usual suspects are enraged by the international recognition andpraise the PM is receiving and desperately look to belittle the redshirts which they see as a weak link.How the usual suspects twist and turn.

You continue to push the "fascist" label despite obvious contradictory evidence.

out of interest, such as?

communists. Strange bedfellows what?

[nurofiend]

The usual suspects are in a bind here.The impending fascist rally - which they of course enthusiastically support though are "shy" about admitting it - is a public relations disaster in the making.The government and redshirts in contrast seem to be acting responsibly.The truth is the usual suspects are enraged by the international recognition andpraise the PM is receiving and desperately look to belittle the redshirts which they see as a weak link.How the usual suspects twist and turn.

You continue to push the "fascist" label despite obvious contradictory evidence.

out of interest, such as?

communists. Strange bedfellows what?

eh?

[whybother]

i hope there's no red shirts around for this, i'd assume there'll be a small crowd who pay no heed to what they're being asked though.

hopefully not.

leave the shameful coup callers to their own devices, i say.

The red shirts have been warned not to turn up. But they're planning to protest not too far away so they can get there quick if trouble starts. They don't trust the police to be able to handle it either.

able to handle what, a peaceful protest?

or are you expecting violence from the PS constitution breaking coup calling group?

I'm not expecting violence. It seems that the government and the red shirts are.

Otherwise the government wouldn't be organising 50,000 police, and the red shirts don't trust that the 50,000 police can handle anything otherwise they wouldn't be planning protests nearby and quickly moving into Bangkok if there are problems.

[Moruya]

i hope there's no red shirts around for this, i'd assume there'll be a small crowd who pay no heed to what they're being asked though.

hopefully not.

leave the shameful coup callers to their own devices, i say.

The red shirts have been warned not to turn up. But they're planning to protest not too far away so they can get there quick if trouble starts. They don't trust the police to be able to handle it either.

able to handle what, a peaceful protest?

or are you expecting violence from the PS constitution breaking coup calling group?

How do their statements contravene the constitution?

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[nurofiend]

i hope there's no red shirts around for this, i'd assume there'll be a small crowd who pay no heed to what they're being asked though.

hopefully not.

leave the shameful coup callers to their own devices, i say.

Does it matter when you call for a coup and nobody listens? You know, like when a tree falls in a forest ..........

And I also hope the red shirts stay away, because there is quite a few of them who have accepted what they were told, that violence is an acceptable way to make your political point. Nor should it surprise you that there is an element who enjoys the violence and seek only an excuse to engage in it.

it's when no one 'hears' a tree falling in a forest, not listens.

i think people are hearing this don't you?

[whybother]

uhm, the leader/spokesman calling for a coup?

or is calling for a coup not making an attempt to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as head of the state?

How is calling for something "an attempt"?

[nurofiend]

i hope there's no red shirts around for this, i'd assume there'll be a small crowd who pay no heed to what they're being asked though.

hopefully not.

leave the shameful coup callers to their own devices, i say.

The red shirts have been warned not to turn up. But they're planning to protest not too far away so they can get there quick if trouble starts. They don't trust the police to be able to handle it either.

able to handle what, a peaceful protest?

or are you expecting violence from the PS constitution breaking coup calling group?

I'm not expecting violence. It seems that the government and the red shirts are.

Otherwise the government wouldn't be organising 50,000 police, and the red shirts don't trust that the 50,000 police can handle anything otherwise they wouldn't be planning protests nearby and quickly moving into Bangkok if there are problems.

so as long as the red shirts stay away there won't be violence... ok.

would it make a difference to you if they did show up to it but didn't start the violence? or would you still put the blame on them?

for future reference like.

[nurofiend]

uhm, the leader/spokesman calling for a coup?

or is calling for a coup not making an attempt to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as head of the state?

How is calling for something "an attempt"?

because "calling" for a coup is making "an attempt" to influence and cause a coup?

[OzMick]

communists. Strange bedfellows what?

eh?

Do try to keep up. a group of communists attended the first PS rally, and Jayboy managed all sorts of mental contortions try to explain their presence at what he labels a fascist association. My explanation was that perhaps they don't like seeing their country being plundered by a group that resembles the worst excesses of some communist regimes.

Perhaps he should be using the fascist label on the party with its own private militia, willing to help (required or not) when "trouble" breaks out. Should there be some sort of altercation, will the addition of a few thousand red shirts help?

[Moruya]

uhm, the leader/spokesman calling for a coup?

or is calling for a coup not making an attempt to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as head of the state?

Well done. Read it carefully

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[OzMick]

i hope there's no red shirts around for this, i'd assume there'll be a small crowd who pay no heed to what they're being asked though.

hopefully not.

leave the shameful coup callers to their own devices, i say.

Does it matter when you call for a coup and nobody listens? You know, like when a tree falls in a forest ..........

And I also hope the red shirts stay away, because there is quite a few of them who have accepted what they were told, that violence is an acceptable way to make your political point. Nor should it surprise you that there is an element who enjoys the violence and seek only an excuse to engage in it.

it's when no one 'hears' a tree falling in a forest, not listens.

i think people are hearing this don't you?

D'oh. Yes they hear, but they appear to not be taking notice. You can tell me all day long that red shirts are peaceful democracy lovers, but you would be wasting your time and breath.

[nurofiend]

communists. Strange bedfellows what?

eh?

Do try to keep up. a group of communists attended the first PS rally, and Jayboy managed all sorts of mental contortions try to explain their presence at what he labels a fascist association. My explanation was that perhaps they don't like seeing their country being plundered by a group that resembles the worst excesses of some communist regimes.

Perhaps he should be using the fascist label on the party with its own private militia, willing to help (required or not) when "trouble" breaks out. Should there be some sort of altercation, will the addition of a few thousand red shirts help?

oh i was well aware of the 10 or so guys in hats, don't worry... my 'eh?' was to say that you are hardly using them as your 'obvious contradictory evidence' as your proof that the said statement was incorrect!

are you??

[nurofiend]

i hope there's no red shirts around for this, i'd assume there'll be a small crowd who pay no heed to what they're being asked though.

hopefully not.

leave the shameful coup callers to their own devices, i say.

Does it matter when you call for a coup and nobody listens? You know, like when a tree falls in a forest ..........

And I also hope the red shirts stay away, because there is quite a few of them who have accepted what they were told, that violence is an acceptable way to make your political point. Nor should it surprise you that there is an element who enjoys the violence and seek only an excuse to engage in it.

it's when no one 'hears' a tree falling in a forest, not listens.

i think people are hearing this don't you?

D'oh. Yes they hear, but they appear to not be taking notice. You can tell me all day long that red shirts are peaceful democracy lovers, but you would be wasting your time and breath.

all day long, when have i ever, ever said that? .... precisely.

that was rhetorical, so no need to waste your time and breath either.

and i have no idea what you think 'taking notice' means, but this rally being in the headlines and the police deploying thousands of personnel is taking notice in my eyes....

Edited November 17, 2012 by nurofiend

[nurofiend]

uhm, the leader/spokesman calling for a coup?

or is calling for a coup not making an attempt to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as head of the state?

Well done. Read it carefully

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yes, now your turn.

[OzMick]

all day long, when have i ever, ever said that? .... precisely.

that was rhetorical, so no need to waste your time and breath either.

and i have no idea what you think 'taking notice' means, but this rally being in the headlines and the police deploying thousands of personnel is taking notice in my eyes....

You should know the scientific definition difference between precision and accuracy. Your replies are precise because you give the same result every time.

If you are trying to convey a meaning to me "eh?" falls far short of doing so. Some of the PS leaders do have fascist leanings, others attending had far different inclinations up to and including communists. It suits some to select the least acceptable label and apply it to all in an opposition group, when the same label could much more accurately used closer to home.

Reporters and police do not carry out coups.

Edited November 17, 2012 by OzMick