Democrat Lawmakers Violated Charter In Grilling Of Yingluck: Pheu Thai

[Thai at Heart]

Thailand should be happy with the Dems. It is the only reason this country is still operating fairly normal. Imagine how much PT would steal if they could easily wipe the opposition under the carpet.

Not many can beat the propaganda machine that is build by PT.

Well, they did an ok job, and actually, someone did a lot of work to check the rice mess. Much better than I though they would manage. But they still didn't come up with a knock out. Oh, well, onto round 2.......

It would not have been smart to take of their pants during the debate, ie, don't make the PT party too smart. I assume that they will reveal more info to the NACC.

Why wouldn't they put it all out? What's to hide?

[Nickymaster]

Thailand should be happy with the Dems. It is the only reason this country is still operating fairly normal. Imagine how much PT would steal if they could easily wipe the opposition under the carpet.

Not many can beat the propaganda machine that is build by PT.

Well, they did an ok job, and actually, someone did a lot of work to check the rice mess. Much better than I though they would manage. But they still didn't come up with a knock out. Oh, well, onto round 2.......

It would not have been smart to take of their pants during the debate, ie, don't make the PT party too smart. I assume that they will reveal more info to the NACC.

Why wouldn't they put it all out? What's to hide?

Nothing to hide but you are not going to reveal all your evidence before you are going to submit it to the NACC.

Edited November 29, 2012 by Nickymaster

[saltandpepper]

Yingluck and Chalerm make a mockery of the government daily without the help of anyone.

A functional Government needs a functional and constructive opposition and while I'm not going to pretend that they achieved this when they were waiting for their turn at the trough, Abhisit and company certainly haven't even tried. The focus is on one thing alone, discrediting the ruling party and regaining power.

It really is tit for tat, childish antics and IMHO is one of the biggest hurdles that Thai politics faces... when both sides act like infants when the rattle is taken away (one tends to cry to Mummy, the other to big Brother), how will we ever have anything but a parody of a playground scene rather than a functioning Government?

A functional government.............Which one would that be? Certainly NOT the current one!

[AleG]

Why wouldn't they put it all out? What's to hide?

Hypothetically speaking, witnesses names for example.

Would be bad if someone ends up like "Shipping Moo"

In classic Thai style, a key witness in the anti-corruption investigation into a tax evasion by a satellite company owned by Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra's family was shot dead in Mae Chan district in Chiang Mai. Kornthep Viriya, better known in the local media as "Shipping Moo", was shot on his way home in tambon [sub-district] Mae Salong after visiting a local restaurant. Kornthep's body was found on a road about five kilometres from his home with three bullet wounds in his forehead, neck and ear.

He had moved from Bangkok to live with his wife, Uthumporn, 35, in early 2002 after he emerged as a key witness in the opposition's censure motion against the government on May 25, 2002. Democrat MP Sirichoke Sopa reprted during the censure debate Mr Kornthep was the person who supplied information on a deal in which Shin Satellite, a company owned by the Shinawatra family, evaded taxes on imports of satellite equipment.

[Thai at Heart]

Why wouldn't they put it all out? What's to hide?

Hypothetically speaking, witnesses names for example.

Would be bad if someone ends up like "Shipping Moo"

In classic Thai style, a key witness in the anti-corruption investigation into a tax evasion by a satellite company owned by Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra's family was shot dead in Mae Chan district in Chiang Mai. Kornthep Viriya, better known in the local media as "Shipping Moo", was shot on his way home in tambon [sub-district] Mae Salong after visiting a local restaurant. Kornthep's body was found on a road about five kilometres from his home with three bullet wounds in his forehead, neck and ear.

He had moved from Bangkok to live with his wife, Uthumporn, 35, in early 2002 after he emerged as a key witness in the opposition's censure motion against the government on May 25, 2002. Democrat MP Sirichoke Sopa reprted during the censure debate Mr Kornthep was the person who supplied information on a deal in which Shin Satellite, a company owned by the Shinawatra family, evaded taxes on imports of satellite equipment.

You think keeping it secret keeps any whistle blowers safer?.

[AleG]

Why wouldn't they put it all out? What's to hide?

Hypothetically speaking, witnesses names for example.

Would be bad if someone ends up like "Shipping Moo"

In classic Thai style, a key witness in the anti-corruption investigation into a tax evasion by a satellite company owned by Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra's family was shot dead in Mae Chan district in Chiang Mai. Kornthep Viriya, better known in the local media as "Shipping Moo", was shot on his way home in tambon [sub-district] Mae Salong after visiting a local restaurant. Kornthep's body was found on a road about five kilometres from his home with three bullet wounds in his forehead, neck and ear.

He had moved from Bangkok to live with his wife, Uthumporn, 35, in early 2002 after he emerged as a key witness in the opposition's censure motion against the government on May 25, 2002. Democrat MP Sirichoke Sopa reprted during the censure debate Mr Kornthep was the person who supplied information on a deal in which Shin Satellite, a company owned by the Shinawatra family, evaded taxes on imports of satellite equipment.

You think keeping it secret keeps any whistle blowers safer?.

Is that a trick question?

It's normal practice to protect the identity of whistle blowers, specially when dealing with powerful, amoral individuals and organizations.

[Hugo6]

they just use the same one as the democrats.

The one PTP use is a helluva lot deeper and filled with a lot more cr@p

you want to be so certain, don'cha.

last time the dems actually won an election and formed a government (about 20 years ago) that government was brought down due in large part to the corruption of one souther MP in particular - his name was Suthep - might recall he still has influence in the party, eh?

deeper and more cr_p - yeah right. dream on buddy.

[Hugo6]

Yingluck and Chalerm make a mockery of the government daily without the help of anyone.

A functional Government needs a functional and constructive opposition and while I'm not going to pretend that they achieved this when they were waiting for their turn at the trough, Abhisit and company certainly haven't even tried. The focus is on one thing alone, discrediting the ruling party and regaining power.

It really is tit for tat, childish antics and IMHO is one of the biggest hurdles that Thai politics faces... when both sides act like infants when the rattle is taken away (one tends to cry to Mummy, the other to big Brother), how will we ever have anything but a parody of a playground scene rather than a functioning Government?

A functional government.............Which one would that be? Certainly NOT the current one!

arguably the current government has done a better job in the last year than the previous one did in 2. Or have you only read this forum for the last year?

[animatic]

And just as arguably they have not done a better job,

just that they have not been succesfully outed for their screw ups.

And their biggest screw ups are long term problems yet to bring

the nation to it's knees, but that would be the likely outcome.

[Hugo6]

And just as arguably they have not done a better job,

just that they have not been succesfully outed for their screw ups.

And their biggest screw ups are long term problems yet to bring

the nation to it's knees, but that would be the likely outcome.

are you trying to agree with the poster who says this government is not functional or is this just more prose practice?

first, this government does function, and they have been pretty politically astute. Not perfect, but they arent the strategic idiots that Abhisit and Suthep proved to be. The government made nice with the military and has been hard on LM laws - means they can't be taken down by the yellows as easily as before.

whether you like em or not, they have been implementing policies. the only one not done yet is to bring back their fearless leader. All the rest can be deemed better or worse, but all the rest are actual policies.

now, what were those long-term things that are going to bring the country to its knees. let us all profit from your superior wisdom/#ofposts

[Moruya]

Yingluck and Chalerm make a mockery of the government daily without the help of anyone.

A functional Government needs a functional and constructive opposition and while I'm not going to pretend that they achieved this when they were waiting for their turn at the trough, Abhisit and company certainly haven't even tried. The focus is on one thing alone, discrediting the ruling party and regaining power.

It really is tit for tat, childish antics and IMHO is one of the biggest hurdles that Thai politics faces... when both sides act like infants when the rattle is taken away (one tends to cry to Mummy, the other to big Brother), how will we ever have anything but a parody of a playground scene rather than a functioning Government?

A functional government.............Which one would that be? Certainly NOT the current one!

arguably the current government has done a better job in the last year than the previous one did in 2. Or have you only read this forum for the last year?

It appears you do the job of 2 people.

Little and Large

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[Hugo6]

A functional Government needs a functional and constructive opposition and while I'm not going to pretend that they achieved this when they were waiting for their turn at the trough, Abhisit and company certainly haven't even tried. The focus is on one thing alone, discrediting the ruling party and regaining power.

It really is tit for tat, childish antics and IMHO is one of the biggest hurdles that Thai politics faces... when both sides act like infants when the rattle is taken away (one tends to cry to Mummy, the other to big Brother), how will we ever have anything but a parody of a playground scene rather than a functioning Government?

A functional government.............Which one would that be? Certainly NOT the current one!

arguably the current government has done a better job in the last year than the previous one did in 2. Or have you only read this forum for the last year?

It appears you do the job of 2 people.

Little and Large

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are you trying to make sense, man?

[rixalex]

The government made nice with the military and has been hard on LM laws - means they can't be taken down by the yellows as easily as before.

Funny how when the Dems make nice with the military it's a terribly nasty ant-democratic business of politicians in cahoots with soldiers, something that needs to change, something the reds were supposed to be fighting against... but now we have PTP in government, making nice with the military, oh that's different, that's ok, that's just the PTP making sure they can't be taken down by the yellows.

PTP and the reds were never against soldiers and politicians working in cahoots. They were against the Dems the ones in cahoots and not them.

the only one not done yet is to bring back their fearless leader.

My goodness me! How did you arrive at that adjective?

[Hugo6]

The government made nice with the military and has been hard on LM laws - means they can't be taken down by the yellows as easily as before.

Funny how when the Dems make nice with the military it's a terribly nasty ant-democratic business of politicians in cahoots with soldiers, something that needs to change, something the reds were supposed to be fighting against... but now we have PTP in government, making nice with the military, oh that's different, that's ok, that's just the PTP making sure they can't be taken down by the yellows.

PTP and the reds were never against soldiers and politicians working in cahoots. They were against the Dems the ones in cahoots and not them.

the only one not done yet is to bring back their fearless leader.

My goodness me! How did you arrive at that adjective?

didnt actually say the first part. only said they have a strategy to survive. not the same as having the generals make you pm i think its stupid to push the lm laws, but if they didn't, the democrats/pad would use it to toss them out on the street.

second part, rocky & bulwinkle

you think this governments not governing or what

[rixalex]

didnt actually say the first part. only said they have a strategy to survive. not the same as having the generals make you pm

"Strategy to survive" seems to me to be a handy excuse for doing something you are supposed to be totally and utterly opposed to, and pretending that you have good reasons for doing it and all the others don't.

[animatic]

"...Actual policies..."

If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

[Hugo6]

"...Actual policies..."

If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

agree with disagree with, the others just deny

[Hugo6]

didnt actually say the first part. only said they have a strategy to survive. not the same as having the generals make you pm

"Strategy to survive" seems to me to be a handy excuse for doing something you are supposed to be totally and utterly opposed to, and pretending that you have good reasons for doing it and all the others don't.

reality, reality, reality. Its thailand and who said politics was clean

where i come from the politics is dirty too. people just think that the usa is clean

[rixalex]

didnt actually say the first part. only said they have a strategy to survive. not the same as having the generals make you pm

"Strategy to survive" seems to me to be a handy excuse for doing something you are supposed to be totally and utterly opposed to, and pretending that you have good reasons for doing it and all the others don't.

reality, reality, reality. Its thailand and who said politics was clean

where i come from the politics is dirty too. people just think that the usa is clean

Not sure who that is directed at. Nobody from what i could see was trying to argue that politics is clean.... here or anywhere else.

[Hugo6]

didnt actually say the first part. only said they have a strategy to survive. not the same as having the generals make you pm

"Strategy to survive" seems to me to be a handy excuse for doing something you are supposed to be totally and utterly opposed to, and pretending that you have good reasons for doing it and all the others don't.

reality, reality, reality. Its thailand and who said politics was clean

where i come from the politics is dirty too. people just think that the usa is clean

Not sure who that is directed at. Nobody from what i could see was trying to argue that politics is clean.... here or anywhere else.

you man. if pt is not tougher on lm than the democrats, the democrats beat them to death with it.

thats not doing whats right thats a strategy to survive

Edited December 2, 2012 by Hugo6

[rixalex]

Not sure who that is directed at. Nobody from what i could see was trying to argue that politics is clean.... here or anywhere else.

you man. if pt is not tougher on lm than the democrats, the democrats beat them to death with it.

thats not doing whats right thats a strategy to survive

So as i say, "strategy to survive" is basically a pretext to doing anything you like, that you claim to be opposed to.

[kimamey]

The sooner these law-makers stop trying to impeach each other and start trying to govern and improve the country and its political system the better...

The longer these Muppet's (both sides) keep playing childish play-ground tit-for-tat games like this the longer this wonderful country will suffer and the deeper is will spiral down the pit of oblivion!

Been thinking same. The only people wasting more time living in the problem than the politicians are the posters on here. If Abihist spent like 20 percent of the time he spends on his witch hunt crusade doing his job . . . . Thai politics cannot address any real issues or agendas because they spend so much time focusing on discrediting the other side.

What exactly do you think Abhisit's job as leader of the opposition Democrat party is?

[otherstuff1957]

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you man. if pt is not tougher on lm than the democrats, the democrats beat them to death with it.

thats not doing whats right thats a strategy to survive

Actually, if you look at the victims of the lm law, they are mostly left-leaning idealists. These leftists were quite useful when the Redshirts needed to be stirred up with a rousing speech or two, but they could be a real liability after the elections. After all, as idealists they actually thought that the PT government would change things, rather than institute unsustainable policies designed to help them line their pockets.

Thaksin & his tools are quite willing to let these rabble rousers rot in prison, as, if they were free, they could easily turn on PT and try to expose the corruption and hypocrisy of the PT government.

[kimamey]

The government made nice with the military and has been hard on LM laws - means they can't be taken down by the yellows as easily as before.

Funny how when the Dems make nice with the military it's a terribly nasty ant-democratic business of politicians in cahoots with soldiers, something that needs to change, something the reds were supposed to be fighting against... but now we have PTP in government, making nice with the military, oh that's different, that's ok, that's just the PTP making sure they can't be taken down by the yellows.

PTP and the reds were never against soldiers and politicians working in cahoots. They were against the Dems the ones in cahoots and not them.

the only one not done yet is to bring back their fearless leader.

My goodness me! How did you arrive at that adjective?

didnt actually say the first part. only said they have a strategy to survive. not the same as having the generals make you pm i think its stupid to push the lm laws, but if they didn't, the democrats/pad would use it to toss them out on the street.

second part, rocky & bulwinkle

you think this governments not governing or what

Don't really agree with most of what you say but on LM you're probably correct. It would certainly be used against them.

Personally I think the Dems and all the other anti PTP groups should stop using LM and the Monarchy for political ends. Maybe it's because I'm a Brit but I find all this use of an apparently solid constitutional monachy in this way distasteful in the extreme. When someone says they're protesting to protect the HM the King they really are being stupid. It's impossible to get an absolute picture of support for the monarchy due to the LM laws but as far as I can see any attempt to overthrow the monarchy just wouldn't be tolerated by the Thai population. I would be in agreement with them. I don't like the PTP at all but I do agree with the apparent desire of some of their supporters to loosen the LM laws

One of the effects of the LM laws is that Thais can't effectivly show support for the monarchy because they aren't given the opprtunity to openly state their views. Instead they're subject to rules that are normally associated with overpowering dictatorships which in my view are totally incompatible with the nature of the Thai monarchy at this time.

Sorry that last bit may have been a little off topic.

Edited December 2, 2012 by kimamey

[whybother]

PTP campaigned on the Democrats over use of LM, and the people voted for them, but they can't change it because of the threat of the elite and army, so they spent 400 million baht on a LM war room.

PTP campaigned on the Democrats relationship to the army, and the people voted for them, but they need to cosy up to the army because of the threat of the elite and the army, so they cosied up with the army and kept them happy.

PTP campaigned on bringing back Thaksin, and the people voted for them, but they can't try to bring him back .... oh ... wait ... but that's different. The people voted for them, after all.

[Hugo6]

Don't really agree with most of what you say but on LM you're probably correct. It would certainly be used against them.

Personally I think the Dems and all the other anti PTP groups should stop using LM and the Monarchy for political ends. Maybe it's because I'm a Brit but I find all this use of an apparently solid constitutional monachy in this way distasteful in the extreme. When someone says they're protesting to protect the HM the King they really are being stupid. It's impossible to get an absolute picture of support for the monarchy due to the LM laws but as far as I can see any attempt to overthrow the monarchy just wouldn't be tolerated by the Thai population. I would be in agreement with them. I don't like the PTP at all but I do agree with the apparent desire of some of their supporters to loosen the LM laws

One of the effects of the LM laws is that Thais can't effectivly show support for the monarchy because they aren't given the opprtunity to openly state their views. Instead they're subject to rules that are normally associated with overpowering dictatorships which in my view are totally incompatible with the nature of the Thai monarchy at this time.

Sorry that last bit may have been a little off topic.

agree on lm

the democrats could have changed it when in office. looks liek they almost tried,but chickened out.

pt can never touch it or they'll be unpatriotic

[Skywalker69]

The rampant corruption will continue unabated but 6 Dems could be banned for exposing it?

It´s called true democracy. Edited December 2, 2012 by Skywalker69