Suthep's Son, 3 Others Face Action Over Alleged Forest Encroachment: Thailand

[Chrisswe]

The son like he's father !!

[whybother]

While some posters try and point a finger a the government, I am wondering who was in government when all this happened, was it during the Dems stint?

I think it's irrelevant who was in government. The local politicians and local rich business people control most of what goes on in the local government departments.

[carra]

While some posters try and point a finger a the government, I am wondering who was in government when all this happened, was it during the Dems stint?

I think it's irrelevant who was in government. The local politicians and local rich business people control most of what goes on in the local government departments.

it is not irrelevant when people are trying to blame the current government as thought they, and only they are corrupt and allow things to happen,

my guess is all this was done under the Dem government with full knowledge of daddy, so the relevance is that when people start spouting about how the dems tackled corruption more than PTP well this matter can be highlighted, along with many others.

Also if the local politicians control what goes on, and in the south that is mostly democrat, then why do the usual suspects constantly blame the current government?

[Ferangled]

While some posters try and point a finger a the government, I am wondering who was in government when all this happened, was it during the Dems stint?

I think it's irrelevant who was in government. The local politicians and local rich business people control most of what goes on in the local government departments.

Actually I believe that these recent encroachment investigations are acting on orders from the top... a few have however been "suspended" on orders from the side, perhaps where coming a little too close for comfort to some of the real powers that be. I'm afraid I can't point fingers for fear of disappearing into the abyss along with some of my less controlled outbursts on here!

[whybother]

While some posters try and point a finger a the government, I am wondering who was in government when all this happened, was it during the Dems stint?

I think it's irrelevant who was in government. The local politicians and local rich business people control most of what goes on in the local government departments.

it is not irrelevant when people are trying to blame the current government as thought they, and only they are corrupt and allow things to happen,

my guess is all this was done under the Dem government with full knowledge of daddy, so the relevance is that when people start spouting about how the dems tackled corruption more than PTP well this matter can be highlighted, along with many others.

Also if the local politicians control what goes on, and in the south that is mostly democrat, then why do the usual suspects constantly blame the current government?

It's irrelevant regardless of whether the which government was in power and which government posters want to blame. It's a local issue. In this case a Democrat MP. In other cases government MPs. In some cases, politicians that have been both Democrat and TRT/PPP/PTP or other parties. They would be corrupt regardless of which party they were attached to. They are rich local business people, and the Amnesia Statements ("Do you know who I am?") would be used regularly.

[Nickymaster]

Always handy to have the DSI on your payroll.

I am still waiting for the day that they will investigate the rice scam, ie, most probably the biggest corruption case in Thai history.

Mind you I am not defending Suthep because I do believe that the guy is guilty as can be.

[whybother]

While some posters try and point a finger a the government, I am wondering who was in government when all this happened, was it during the Dems stint?

I think it's irrelevant who was in government. The local politicians and local rich business people control most of what goes on in the local government departments.

Actually I believe that these recent encroachment investigations are acting on orders from the top... a few have however been "suspended" on orders from the side, perhaps where coming a little too close for comfort to some of the real powers that be. I'm afraid I can't point fingers for fear of disappearing into the abyss along with some of my less controlled outbursts on here!

I'm wouldn't be surprised that these investigations are acting on orders from the top. PTP orders to investigate encroachment of Democrat people, while the orders are not to go anywhere near any PTP related encroachment.

[Ferangled]

While some posters try and point a finger a the government, I am wondering who was in government when all this happened, was it during the Dems stint?

I think it's irrelevant who was in government. The local politicians and local rich business people control most of what goes on in the local government departments.

Actually I believe that these recent encroachment investigations are acting on orders from the top... a few have however been "suspended" on orders from the side, perhaps where coming a little too close for comfort to some of the real powers that be. I'm afraid I can't point fingers for fear of disappearing into the abyss along with some of my less controlled outbursts on here!

I'm wouldn't be surprised that these investigations are acting on orders from the top. PTP orders to investigate encroachment of Democrat people, while the orders are not to go anywhere near any PTP related encroachment.

And vice versa when the roles are reversed...

But there is one unavoidable reality here; the land in most staunch PTP strongholds carries not a fraction of the value or development potential of the land in the most staunch Dem strongholds. Phuket, Koh Samui, Koh Phang Ngan, Krabi etc. 1 Rai for upwards of 20 million baht in the right spot, lots of tourist demand and not a Red Shirt in sight! Indeed my Isaan workers regularly get their pick up vandalised just for having Isaan plates, such is the weight of local political favour down here.

I see a whole lot of land encroachment in the South, big money property deals and massive resorts being built. Can't say I've seen anything like this on any of my jaunts to Isaan and given that 1 rai is more along the lines of 20,000 baht I can see why. Not saying that both sides aren't playing the same game but from where I'm looking if Thailand was a monopoly board, the Dems are holding Park Lane, Mayfair and all the stations in between...

[whybother]

And vice versa when the roles are reversed...

But there is one unavoidable reality here; the land in most staunch PTP strongholds carries not a fraction of the value or development potential of the land in the most staunch Dem strongholds. Phuket, Koh Samui, Koh Phang Ngan, Krabi etc. 1 Rai for upwards of 20 million baht in the right spot, lots of tourist demand and not a Red Shirt in sight! Indeed my Isaan workers regularly get their pick up vandalised just for having Isaan plates, such is the weight of local political favour down here.

I see a whole lot of land encroachment in the South, big money property deals and massive resorts being built. Can't say I've seen anything like this on any of my jaunts to Isaan and given that 1 rai is more along the lines of 20,000 baht I can see why. Not saying that both sides aren't playing the same game but from where I'm looking if Thailand was a monopoly board, the Dems are holding Park Lane, Mayfair and all the stations in between...

The PTP are in more than Isaan. How about Khao Yai and national parks around Chiang Mai. Probably not as expensive as some of the areas you mentioned, but still worth a fair bit.

[Ferangled]

The PTP are in more than Isaan. How about Khao Yai and national parks around Chiang Mai. Probably not as expensive as some of the areas you mentioned, but still worth a fair bit.

Very true, I did say "most" not all and I believe it holds true. At least in my "blinkered" experience...

[catmac]

Lots of huffing and puffing by the red underpants brigade.

ALL corruption should be punished full stop.

I would, however, sooner have a beer with Suthep's son than either of Chalerm's

Sums up your position nicely. Perfectly happy to have a beer with Suthep's son hardly sounds like punishing corruption, sounds more like paying lip service to honesty. Yet again, you can't resist dragging some PTP name into the thread in a desperate attempt to somehow shift the blame from your beloved yellow underpants wearers.

[Moruya]

While some posters try and point a finger a the government, I am wondering who was in government when all this happened, was it during the Dems stint?

I think it's irrelevant who was in government. The local politicians and local rich business people control most of what goes on in the local government departments.

it is not irrelevant when people are trying to blame the current government as thought they, and only they are corrupt and allow things to happen,

my guess is all this was done under the Dem government with full knowledge of daddy, so the relevance is that when people start spouting about how the dems tackled corruption more than PTP well this matter can be highlighted, along with many others.

Also if the local politicians control what goes on, and in the south that is mostly democrat, then why do the usual suspects constantly blame the current government?

Not if several people on several occasions over several months have been telling the government that the rice scam if full of corruption and they did sod all about it

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[Moruya]

Lots of huffing and puffing by the red underpants brigade.

ALL corruption should be punished full stop.

I would, however, sooner have a beer with Suthep's son than either of Chalerm's

Sums up your position nicely. Perfectly happy to have a beer with Suthep's son hardly sounds like punishing corruption, sounds more like paying lip service to honesty. Yet again, you can't resist dragging some PTP name into the thread in a desperate attempt to somehow shift the blame from your beloved yellow underpants wearers.

Not me mate. I detest the yellow mob.

I'd willingly have a chat to discuss the state of the nation and corruption in particular. I'd understand a lot better.

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[Ferangled]

While some posters try and point a finger a the government, I am wondering who was in government when all this happened, was it during the Dems stint?

I think it's irrelevant who was in government. The local politicians and local rich business people control most of what goes on in the local government departments.

it is not irrelevant when people are trying to blame the current government as thought they, and only they are corrupt and allow things to happen,

my guess is all this was done under the Dem government with full knowledge of daddy, so the relevance is that when people start spouting about how the dems tackled corruption more than PTP well this matter can be highlighted, along with many others.

Also if the local politicians control what goes on, and in the south that is mostly democrat, then why do the usual suspects constantly blame the current government?

Not if several people on several occasions over several months have been telling the government that the rice scam if full of corruption and they did sod all about it

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I've seen some leaps of logic today but I think this one takes the biscuit... what has the rice scheme got to do with land encroachment? I guess Suthep's son was actually planning to build a large rice warehouse on that prestigious land to help out with storage space or perhaps some paddy fields...

[geriatrickid]

The land department do not have political affiliation.

sent from my Q6

However, in the local areas civil servants are subject to local political interference. Phuket is another sterling example. Why don't local politicians lead the fight against encroachment on Koh Samui and Phuket?

[Cnxforever]

"investigators found no sign of the land being used for agricultural purposes, as intended under Nor Sor 3 Kor documents"

- a scam from the beginning - it is about time that the authorities step in - of course being the son of Suthep he thought he would get away with it.

Nor Sor 3 Kor was meant for poor landless farmers who would use the land for agricultural purposes to make a living. This is not the first time the Suthep family is in the news for all the wrong reasons - a while ago I saw Suthep on a picture in the news with some Farang scumbag scammer in Koh Samui! Pure greed is driving this man!

The poor Suthep family really needed this land to survive - I feel so sorry for them now that they will go hungry! This is just another Thai elitist family - a slap into the face of every poor, hard working Thai farmer trying to survive.

I always maintained that Abhisit meant well - but as long as he associates himself with people like Suthep - and as long as the democrats have people like Suthep in their party I am not surprised they never win an election .......absolute garbage!

Who is the Falang scumbag does his name start with a N.

Yes .. you obviously read the story and saw the pic.....

[Moruya]

I've seen some leaps of logic today but I think this one takes the biscuit... what has the rice scheme got to do with land encroachment? I guess Suthep's son was actually planning to build a large rice warehouse on that prestigious land to help out with storage space or perhaps some paddy fields...

To me, corruption is corruption.

To those more deeply entwined with the machinations of the hoi komoy, the finer distinctions between schemes and scams might sort themselves into more distinct areas of classification known only to the initiated. You therefore have me at a disadvantage

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[osiboy]

unbelievable , and its these crooks stopping any foriegn ownership in thailand , and i wouldn't be suprised if these oxygene thieves owned land in our home countries too ,....................some of us are more equal than others right !

[Beng]

There are so many other developments on Samui, where influental people bribe land officials in order to gain

land deeds. First time though, they don't blame the farang. The island got known for it's lush green hills, endless coconut groves and pristine beaches. All gone already for the greedy and corrupt.

[Hugo6]

This is a case of encroachment not corruption.

Just by looking at the photo if that is the property in question, it seems a tragedy that that large swathe of forest has been chopped down. No idea if this was legal or not, but looks quite a damning photo- although I am sure there are similar cases all over Thailand, as the first respondent mentioned.

The officials at the land department were corrupt

and in surat thani that would be from which party?

Civil servants

you know as well as i that the south is Dem. Corruption in Phuket, Surat, or Udon. For posters here, only Udon would be corrupt. You guys rail against the PTP, red shirts and label 'em red buffalos all the time. In the south, they're 'civil servants'.

call a spade a spade, man. Isaan is not full of red buffalos and the south is not full of angels.

[Hugo6]

While some posters try and point a finger a the government, I am wondering who was in government when all this happened, was it during the Dems stint?

I think it's irrelevant who was in government. The local politicians and local rich business people control most of what goes on in the local government departments.

it is not irrelevant when people are trying to blame the current government as thought they, and only they are corrupt and allow things to happen,

my guess is all this was done under the Dem government with full knowledge of daddy, so the relevance is that when people start spouting about how the dems tackled corruption more than PTP well this matter can be highlighted, along with many others.

Also if the local politicians control what goes on, and in the south that is mostly democrat, then why do the usual suspects constantly blame the current government?

just saying the name "Suthep" makes the recent censure debate on the corruption of the PTP an extremely ironic process.

[OzMick]

While some posters try and point a finger a the government, I am wondering who was in government when all this happened, was it during the Dems stint?

I think it's irrelevant who was in government. The local politicians and local rich business people control most of what goes on in the local government departments.

it is not irrelevant when people are trying to blame the current government as thought they, and only they are corrupt and allow things to happen,

my guess is all this was done under the Dem government with full knowledge of daddy, so the relevance is that when people start spouting about how the dems tackled corruption more than PTP well this matter can be highlighted, along with many others.

Also if the local politicians control what goes on, and in the south that is mostly democrat, then why do the usual suspects constantly blame the current government?

just saying the name "Suthep" makes the recent censure debate on the corruption of the PTP an extremely ironic process.

Oh yes, a real evil mongrel - but a saint in comparison to families Shinawatra and Chalerm.

[Hugo6]

I think it's irrelevant who was in government. The local politicians and local rich business people control most of what goes on in the local government departments.

it is not irrelevant when people are trying to blame the current government as thought they, and only they are corrupt and allow things to happen,

my guess is all this was done under the Dem government with full knowledge of daddy, so the relevance is that when people start spouting about how the dems tackled corruption more than PTP well this matter can be highlighted, along with many others.

Also if the local politicians control what goes on, and in the south that is mostly democrat, then why do the usual suspects constantly blame the current government?

just saying the name "Suthep" makes the recent censure debate on the corruption of the PTP an extremely ironic process.

Oh yes, a real evil mongrel - but a saint in comparison to families Shinawatra and Chalerm.

"saint" ? depends on your religion, I guess.

Have another beer - it's not that late ... yet

[rixalex]

I see a whole lot of land encroachment in the South, big money property deals and massive resorts being built.

You see a lot of land encroachment?

Just out of interest, how do you know when a development is guilty of land encroachment and when it is not? It would surely require study of government maps.

[OzMick]

just saying the name "Suthep" makes the recent censure debate on the corruption of the PTP an extremely ironic process.

Oh yes, a real evil mongrel - but a saint in comparison to families Shinawatra and Chalerm.

"saint" ? depends on your religion, I guess.

Have another beer - it's not that late ... yet

Who would you rather have for your neighbours?

[Moruya]

you know as well as i that the south is Dem. Corruption in Phuket, Surat, or Udon. For posters here, only Udon would be corrupt. You guys rail against the PTP, red shirts and label 'em red buffalos all the time. In the south, they're 'civil servants'.

call a spade a spade, man. Isaan is not full of red buffalos and the south is not full of angels.

Please substantiate those accusations against me or I shall certainly consider at least one person to have all the necessary attributes if the water buffalo. You!

I shall be flying to Udon tomorrow as I do most months. I see far less corruption there than I do in the tourist areas and its people have an earthly, honest charm.

[Hugo6]

you know as well as i that the south is Dem. Corruption in Phuket, Surat, or Udon. For posters here, only Udon would be corrupt. You guys rail against the PTP, red shirts and label 'em red buffalos all the time. In the south, they're 'civil servants'.

call a spade a spade, man. Isaan is not full of red buffalos and the south is not full of angels.

Please substantiate those accusations against me or I shall certainly consider at least one person to have all the necessary attributes if the water buffalo. You!

I shall be flying to Udon tomorrow as I do most months. I see far less corruption there than I do in the tourist areas and its people have an earthly, honest charm.

oops, sorry if I took your unjustified rantings against red shirts as reason to throw you in with the rest of the "those dumb red buffalo" crowd.

I'm not sure how you are able to measure the levels of corruption in one part of thailand to another. I personally try to avoid contact to it as much as possible.

[siampolee]

IHugo6 post # 57

'm not sure how you are able to measure the levels of corruption in one part of thailand to another. I personally try to avoid contact to it as much as possible.

That being the case how are you supposedly so well informed as to the state of affairs regarding corruption as you see it through your rose tinted glasses.

Also one might well ask why are you here living in such an openly (in your view) corrupt country when you in your own words try to avoid contact with corruption, do you not socialise with the locals and do you live in a non Thai enclave?

Agreed Suthep is not a particularly ethical person, nor are Chalerm and Thaksin either, those names are but the tip of the iceberg as we all know..

If you are going to view the picture you need to look at the whole picture thus you are then able to command a better view of the scene and you might well be able to make a somewhat more balanced view than you are now.

Remember that 3D glasses only have one red lens, not two.

Edited December 2, 2012 by siampolee

[Hugo6]

IHugo6 post # 57

'm not sure how you are able to measure the levels of corruption in one part of thailand to another. I personally try to avoid contact to it as much as possible.

That being the case how are you supposedly so well informed as to the state of affairs regarding corruption as you see it through your rose tinted glasses.

Also one might well ask why are you here living in such an openly (in your view) corrupt country when you in your own words try to avoid contact with corruption, do you not socialise with the locals and do you live in a non Thai enclave?

Agreed Suthep is not a particularly ethical person, nor are Chalerm and Thaksin either, those names are but the tip of the iceberg as we all know..

If you are going to view the picture you need to look at the whole picture thus you are then able to command a better view of the scene and you might well be able to make a somewhat more balanced view than you are now.

Remember that 3D glasses only have one red lens, not two.

funny post.

As for being informed, I recognize that land zoning "enforcement" is basically non-existant as I see it with my own eyes, and I read the news about resorts being built in national parks.

I hear the stories about the local police, and try to make sure that I'm not in any trouble.

I am also not the one moooooaning on this forum about the PTP and their corruption all the while ignoring that it is not just one side.

I find your comment about ME being one-side extremely ammuuuuusing.

3D glasses are great, but others just where their yellow-lensed sunglasses - about 90% around this forum, anyway.

PS: and just for the record : your signature taking a quote 100% out of context shows how biased and/or uninformed YOU are about Thailand.

Edited December 2, 2012 by Hugo6

[siampolee]

PM'S DECLARATION:'Democracy is not my goal' Thaksin suggests he'll block any move for amendments to rein in his power

Hugo6 post # 59.

The words of a megalomaniac, no disputing that he made and believes in that ethic.

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Hugo6, indeed you are an interesting poster with a style somewhat reminiscent of a recently banned poster who now posts elsewhere, using a slightly altered version of their original posting name here.

Having lived and worked here for more than 21 years perhaps like many others I have somewhat more insight as to the designs and the delights and the ultimate aims of Thaksin and his family along with their brown nosing self serving acolytes..

Their antics and the foul fetid stench of corruption, the manipulation of tax laws and the judiciary and the promoting of civil unrest that emanates from the Thaksin family and their brown nosing self serving acolytes is indeed a nauseous toxic stench that will if not halted kill the little democracy that we currently have inherited in this country and enslave its peoples into debt bondage.

After reviewing your posts on this forum one can hardly say you do not subscribe to the whole Thaksin and the Red Shirt ideology can we?

Unless you're blind or brainwashed you have to admit that the scale of corruption by the current maladministration is the most blatant theft of the nations monetary wealth and its resources and its attempts to ride roughshod over the judicial system in the history of Thailand.

Corruption exists on all sides, however there are a few good politicians out there from all factions, mores the pity they can't be brought together to actually run this country for the benefit of ts people and not the personal enrichment of the politicians.

Edited December 2, 2012 by siampolee