Another British Woman Raped On Koh Samui

[gburns57au]

Apart from the time lines of the whole incident being totally inconsistant as well as some of the statements made.....lets look deeper here...

Police working the door of a bar....highly unlikely....probably security guys but I will give that she probably wouldnt know the difference. BUT even so....she was carried or half carried out of the bar in a drugged state past the "Police" saying "where are you taking me"....surely this would have raised concern especially as the men carrying her out was not the man that she had arrived with not that long before, this man was in the toilet and apparantly did nothing to try and find her after she had gone missing....there was no report of him being interviewed by the police or that he actually reported her missing...yet the attack took place 4 or so hours after she went missing. No search was ever initiated.

The CCTV showed one Thai man carrying her out, nothing was mentioned about a second guy....she claims that two men carried her out one Thai and one black....maybe a dark skinned Thai but he was described as big and strong, (possibly a negro man). She couldnt ID the Thai guy but I can accept that if she was drugged.

The medical exam showed no evidence of rape....this we can take to mean that there was no injuries consistant with use of force...genital bruising, scratches, pre ejaculate in the vagina, etc...She said that they didnt take her clothes for DNA testing and in the other report it said that they wouldnt let her shower or whatever....obviously because they wanted to preserve evidence....a contradiction there surely.

Most medical doctors do have some command of the english language...as do most policemen , Yet she claims that very few people spoke english except for the guys raping her, the woman that called out to her and the Police chief.

After the alleged incident she rang her father in the UK....who informed the Brit Embassy...she didnt try to contact her companion who was there in Thailand with her, Poor guy seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth.

Then to top it off....she wanted to drop the matter even though the police asked her not to....and she is claiming they tried to cover it up....if they were trying to cover it up why the he!! would they try and talk her into pursuing the matter when she wanted to drop the whole thing. After all isnt this what the Police Chief wanted her to do ???

You say that this is not being pursued...yet in both posts this is not the impression given.... according to the one post it is being looked into by a Crime Agency of some sort.

Sorry mate but this just doesnt gel at all.

Edited February 16, 2006 by gburns57au

[zzap]

I was wondering about the boyfriend's ole in th drama, too.

But you're a bit hasty in discounting the whole thing, Sherlock Au.

It's perfectly feasable that the so-called security didn't take any interest ( this is Thailand, not Perth), and a second guy may, of course, have joined later. She doesn't recount all the details, she was drugged after all.

I do believe her when she claims the police were more interested in covering their ass and the reputation of the island than her well-being, nothing new to anybody who lived in LOS for a while...

Remember, respect, decency and human rights only apply to those who deserve it, i.e. your friends, in th land of lies...

[zzap]

I was wondering about the boyfriend's role in the drama, too.

But you're a bit hasty in discounting the whole thing, Sherlock Mastubater.

It's perfectly feasable that the so-called security didn't take any interest ( this is Thailand, not Au), and a second guy may, of course, have joined later. She doesn't recount all the details, she was drugged after all.

I do believe her when she claims the police were more interested in covering their ass and the reputation of the island than her well-being, nothing new to anybody who lived in LOS for a while...

Remember, respect, decency and human rights only apply to those who deserve it, i.e. your friends, in the land of lies...

[sriracha john]

Postings are not only done for discussion purposes, but are often done as a means of informing others of situations or tendencies. We've gotten what little official information there is out there. Without further information or details, I see no point in discussing unproveable contentions

Sriracha, papers are quick to print stories,in most cases without a lot of research.Headline grabbers are great, but when it comes to admitting they are wrong, they are not so forthcoming.Sorry mate , can't show NEWSPAPER reports contradicting the stories printed.Oops but that is only what you believe though NEWSPAPER reports.Lmao.

So then, what you are saying is ... that none of these events occured in any manner at any time? That they are all fictitious?

[sriracha john]

“A medical check was carried out by two doctors at the hospital. The examination could not confirm rape so they sent samples to a police hospital in Bangkok for analysis. We have yet to receive results.

The medical exam showed no evidence of rape....this we can take to mean that there was no injuries consistant with use of force...genital bruising, scratches, pre ejaculate in the vagina, etc...

Hmmm...

"could not confirm" is not at all the same as "no evidence" now, is it?....

Most medical doctors do have some command of the english language...as do most policemen ,

Apparently you haven't spent much time in or around Thai government hospitals then... as most can not.

As for police, far greater number don't speak English as opposed to those do.

...She said that they didnt take her clothes for DNA testing and in the other report it said that they wouldnt let her shower or whatever....obviously because they wanted to preserve evidence....a contradiction there surely.

They didn't allow her to shower or change clothes AFTER the exam had been done, at which time evidence would have been taken.

[Rooo]

No Sriracha,not by any stretch of the imagination am I implying they did not take place. All I'm trying to point out is, a lot of articles are not well researched or authenticated.

1/ 12 year old girl gets raped,we all jumped on the bandwagon , but did the article saying that it was consensual get much publicity?

2/ Swedish mother gets raped on beach at 1.30am after leaving karaoke bar.(got real doubts about the whole truth behind that story).But did anyone keep on pressing the point that the complaint was not pursued.

I am in favour of truth in reporting (wishful thinking),but obviously papers will be papers & make up the rest of the story, which in most cases accounts to a lot of discrepencies.

So in no way am I denying it has happened,I am just sceptical about the sources or methods of reporting.Papers go for sensationalism .

[sriracha john]

No Sriracha,not by any stretch of the imagination am I implying they did not take place. All I'm trying to point out is, a lot of articles are not well researched or authenticated.

1/ 12 year old girl gets raped,we all jumped on the bandwagon , but did the article saying that it was consensual get much publicity?

2/ Swedish mother gets raped on beach at 1.30am after leaving karaoke bar.(got real doubts about the whole truth behind that story).But did anyone keep on pressing the point that the complaint was not pursued.

I am in favour of truth in reporting (wishful thinking),but obviously papers will be papers & make up the rest of the story, which in most cases accounts to a lot of discrepencies.

So in no way am I denying it has happened,I am just sceptical about the sources or methods of reporting.Papers go for sensationalism .

I agree that many articles are not researched and that other reports are very light on substance and have pointed out the shortcomings of certain press articles many times....

Unfortunately, we don't have much alternative here. We can only do the best we can with rather limited resources.

To the specific instances at hand, I never saw the article (do you have a reference for it?) on the 12 year old being raped as consensual. I would proffer that in most socieites, 12 year olds are incapable (by definition) of giving consent.

With the Swedish mother, I wouldn't consider her not wishing to pursue a complaint as anything more than a very common and understandable reaction. In and of itself, it wouldn't lead me to thinking her charges were false. While her case did suggest some errors in judgement.... those errors in judgement (such as partying late, etc.) do not necessarily negate any crime against her.

[Tarragona]

1/ 12 year old girl gets raped,we all jumped on the bandwagon , but did the article saying that it was consensual get much publicity?

I know SJ has commented on this already, but the mind boggles at the suggestion that it might not really have been rape because a 12-year old gave her consent!

Edited February 17, 2006 by Tarragona

[Rooo]

1/ 12 year old girl gets raped,we all jumped on the bandwagon , but did the article saying that it was consensual get much publicity?

I know SJ has commented on this already, but the mind boggles at the suggestion that it might not really have been rape because a 12-year old gave her consent!

I fully agree that a 12 year old cannot give consent,it is not condoned.But what I was refering too was the term RAPE was used.which was not the case.Another case of reporting on hearsay without the full facts.

Re the 12 uear old, that all came out during the Horton case thread.

[Tarragona]

I fully agree that a 12 year old cannot give consent,it is not condoned.But what I was refering too was the term RAPE was used.which was not the case.Another case of reporting on hearsay without the full facts.

I'd call it rape - whether the 12 year old 'consented' or not is irrelevant to the use of the expression in this case.

[kat]

No Sriracha,not by any stretch of the imagination am I implying they did not take place. All I'm trying to point out is, a lot of articles are not well researched or authenticated.

1/ 12 year old girl gets raped,we all jumped on the bandwagon , but did the article saying that it was consensual get much publicity?

2/ Swedish mother gets raped on beach at 1.30am after leaving karaoke bar.(got real doubts about the whole truth behind that story).But did anyone keep on pressing the point that the complaint was not pursued.I am in favour of truth in reporting (wishful thinking),but obviously papers will be papers & make up the rest of the story, which in most cases accounts to a lot of discrepencies.

So in no way am I denying it has happened,I am just sceptical about the sources or methods of reporting.Papers go for sensationalism .

1. The article reported that the RAPIST claimed it was consensual. Surely, you are not using the claims of a rapist as the major support for your argument, right???? Unreal

2. What exactly is doubtful about this scenario? The fact that she is a mother and above the age of 40???? Do you really think that your obviously narrow ideas about female attractiveness determine who gets raped or not???

Speechless, SJ and Tarrargona

[Wes Turner]

Postings are not only done for discussion purposes, but are often done as a means of informing others of situations or tendencies. We've gotten what little official information there is out there. Without further information or details, I see no point in discussing unproveable contentions

Sriracha, papers are quick to print stories,in most cases without a lot of research.Headline grabbers are great, but when it comes to admitting they are wrong, they are not so forthcoming.Sorry mate , can't show NEWSPAPER reports contradicting the stories printed.Oops but that is only what you believe though NEWSPAPER reports.Lmao.

No smoke without fire roo.

[gburns57au]

regarding the 12 year old girl....

she is under the age of consent in Thailand....therefore she can not legally give consent...it is rape in this case.

[gburns57au]

“A medical check was carried out by two doctors at the hospital. The examination could not confirm rape so they sent samples to a police hospital in Bangkok for analysis. We have yet to receive results.

The medical exam showed no evidence of rape....this we can take to mean that there was no injuries consistant with use of force...genital bruising, scratches, pre ejaculate in the vagina, etc...

Hmmm...

"could not confirm" is not at all the same as "no evidence" now, is it?....

Most medical doctors do have some command of the english language...as do most policemen ,

Apparently you haven't spent much time in or around Thai government hospitals then... as most can not.

As for police, far greater number don't speak English as opposed to those do.

...She said that they didnt take her clothes for DNA testing and in the other report it said that they wouldnt let her shower or whatever....obviously because they wanted to preserve evidence....a contradiction there surely.

They didn't allow her to shower or change clothes AFTER the exam had been done, at which time evidence would have been taken.

"Could not confirm" in this case is the same as saying "there is no evidence of"....We have had a similar dicussion about this before SJ...They may have been able to determine that sex had taken place but when, where and with whom they couldnt determine. By saying they couldnt confirm that a rape had taken place means that there is no detectable evidence supporting a rape claim. Please dont be pedantic...you know full well what I meant.

Most hospitals I have been to and even medical clinics I have been to, have had english speaking doctors or nurses, even in the regional areas. I find it hard to believe that the doctor couldnt speak at least some English in a tourist area. Ditto with the Police...And even if they couldnt speak English then surely a translator could have been used....

It is not uncommon for a rape victim to be left in the clothes she wore at the time of the attack and to be left unshowered until discharged from the hospital as further samples may be required...When they are satisfied that all examinations and samples have been completed, she would have been discharged and free to go home and shower and changer her clothes.

[Jiu-Jitsu]

I am truly surprised at some of the things that I have read on this page.

That aside, if you had spent any time on Samui at all, you would understand that most of the things pointed out by gburns57au as 'inconsistencies' are nothing of the sort. The security guards at the Green Mango can barely speak English. It is NOT unusual for someone to be carried out almost comatose by their 'friends'. Those 'friends' include Thais. The is a fair amount of Thai and 'Farang' integration on Samui, so a foreigner and a Thai carrying a girl out of the Green Mango because she appeared too drunk to stand, is not out of the ordinary.

Again, the story is as reported by the newspaper, not as told by the girl. So we cannot be sure that the events were reported in chronological order.

I haven't read anywhere that she was travelling with a boyfriend. I have read that she was travelling with a friend.

Her friend would have little idea what to do in the situation of her going missing. He wouldn't assume that she had been kidnapped from a busy nightclub.

So, he would party on and then eventually go back to the bungalow to see if she were there.

Then what? There is very rarely any obvious police presence on Chaweng. There are plain clothes police, but how would he know who they were?

So, would he charter a taxi and ride alone in the dark to Nathon to report her missing, when she could just be simply be enjoying a drunken kiss on the beach.

The point is that it is quite unclear what to do in those situation, especially if you've had a drink or two.

I reported a missing girl in London and was told that I would have to wait up to 48 hours before they would do anything, as most people turn up. She did.

So, do you think that they would mobilise the whole of the Samui force to locate a party goer?

Do be so quick to pass judgement. There are a myriad of variables.

Edited February 17, 2006 by Jiu-Jitsu

[gburns57au]

I was wondering about the boyfriend's role in the drama, too.

But you're a bit hasty in discounting the whole thing, Sherlock Mastubater.

It's perfectly feasable that the so-called security didn't take any interest ( this is Thailand, not Au), and a second guy may, of course, have joined later. She doesn't recount all the details, she was drugged after all.

I do believe her when she claims the police were more interested in covering their ass and the reputation of the island than her well-being, nothing new to anybody who lived in LOS for a while...

Remember, respect, decency and human rights only apply to those who deserve it, i.e. your friends, in the land of lies...

It was her claim that she was dragged/carried out of the bar by 2 men....She didnt say that one man dragged/carried her out and then she came to, to find two men raping her...As for the security guys?police....If the BF came out of the toilet and found his friend missing, would he not have gone to the bar staff first to see where she had gone and then to the door staff to find out any info he could. I am sure that a farang girl in a semi comatose state being carried out of a bar would certainly arouse some interest or is that a normal thing in that bar ???

For what would the the coppers be covering their asses.....are you suggesting that they would stick their heads in the sand and hope that it goes away after the Horton case ???...Sure the Island doesnt need another farang raped story....but it needs a Cops covers up raped farang case story even less. That would do more to damage the Island's reputation than anything else...

Did you really need to repost your Post and change just the one word....you may have missed the edit time limit (I didnt check your time lines for this) but really was it necessary ???

[gburns57au]

I am truly surprised at some of the things that I have read on this page.

That aside, if you had spent any time on Samui at all, you would understand that most of the things pointed out by gburns57au as 'inconsistencies' are nothing of the sort. The security guards at the Green Mango can barely speak English. It is NOT unusual for someone to be carried out almost comatose by their 'friends'. Those 'friends' include Thais. The is a fair amount of Thai and 'Farang' integration on Samui, so a foreigner and a Thai carrying a girl out of the Green Mango because she appeared too drunk to stand, is not out of the ordinary.

Again, the story is as reported by the newspaper, not as told by the girl. So we cannot be sure that the events were reported in chronological order.

I haven't read anywhere that she was travelling with a boyfriend. I have read that she was travelling with a friend.

Yes I did use the BF, didnt I ?? that was an oversight after someone else said that....An error on my part..... sorry

Her friend would have little idea what to do in the situation of her going missing. He wouldn't assume that she had been kidnapped from a busy nightclub.

So, he would party on and then eventually go back to the bungalow to see if she were there.

Then what? There is very rarely any obvious police presence on Chaweng. There are plain clothes police, but how would he know who they were?

So, would he charter a taxi and ride alone in the dark to Nathon to report her missing, when she could just be simply be enjoying a drunken kiss on the beach.

The point is that it is quite unclear what to do in those situation, especially if you've had a drink or two.

So if your travelling companion went missing suddenly in a bar while you were in the toilet, you would just party on then ??? You wouldnt try to find out where she had gone ???

I reported a missing girl in London and was told that I would have to wait up to 48 hours before they would do anything, as most people turn up. She did.

So, do you think that they would mobilise the whole of the Samui force to locate a party goer?

Yes I would if that girl who is a stranger to the country suddenly and without good reason went missing while I was in the toilet. It is different to a local girl going missing in a place where she knows her way around, or a girl that at least can speak the local lingo.

Do be so quick to pass judgement. There are a myriad of variables.

Yes there are variables, but variables are assumptions....as I said before I am looking at the reported facts and making comment on them. The reported facts in this case dont add up.

[zzap]

The duplicate post was a mistake, I only noticed it now, I thought it didn't come through the first time - sorry.

As to the other points: We can only guess some of these things. Some inconsistencies may be explained by the state she was in, not sure I'd remember whether I was carried out by one, or two guys or the toothfairy itself if I was in a comatose state. My main query is what did the bf do, one would have thought as you describe, but some questions will remain unanswered since we have to rely on the bits which are reported.

Samui needs neither another rape story, nor a story about a cover-up. "For what would the the coppers be covering their asses....."

maybe they thought she wouldn't take it further, as often happens when (alledged) rape-victims get treated this way by police.

I obviously don't know what happened, but let me pose the other question which springs to mind: What could she possibly gain by putting herself through this now ensueing ordeal if she wasn't drugged and raped?

If you are into considering people's motives for their behaviour, this question ranks alongside with the one you posed.

[gburns57au]

I obviously don't know what happened, but let me pose the other question which springs to mind: What could she possibly gain by putting herself through this now ensueing ordeal if she wasn't drugged and raped?

If you are into considering people's motives for their behaviour, this question ranks alongside with the one you posed.

To try and guess in regards to motivation would be mere speculation....So I cant answer that question.

[sriracha john]

"Could not confirm" in this case is the same as saying "there is no evidence of"....

sorry to disagree... but could not confirm means.... "COULD NOT CONFIRM"...

We have had a similar dicussion about this before SJ...They may have been able to determine that sex had taken place but when, where and with whom they couldnt determine. By saying they couldnt confirm that a rape had taken place means that there is no detectable evidence supporting a rape claim. Please dont be pedantic...you know full well what I meant.

sorry to disagree again, but with all your assumptions it's difficult to know what you mean. If there is "no detectable evidence" supporting a rape claim, what "evidence" did they send to Bangkok?

Most hospitals I have been to and even medical clinics I have been to, have had english speaking doctors or nurses, even in the regional areas. I find it hard to believe that the doctor couldnt speak at least some English in a tourist area. Ditto with the Police...And even if they couldnt speak English then surely a translator could have been used....

Try the public government hospitals next time you come to Thailand... and you'll see my point that most staff don't speak English. "Ditto" with police. Frankly, by your insistence that all these people are fully capable of speaking English makes me wonder how much you really do get out and about when you do visit Thailand.

[Rooo]

No Sriracha,not by any stretch of the imagination am I implying they did not take place. All I'm trying to point out is, a lot of articles are not well researched or authenticated.

1/ 12 year old girl gets raped,we all jumped on the bandwagon , but did the article saying that it was consensual get much publicity?

2/ Swedish mother gets raped on beach at 1.30am after leaving karaoke bar.(got real doubts about the whole truth behind that story).But did anyone keep on pressing the point that the complaint was not pursued.I am in favour of truth in reporting (wishful thinking),but obviously papers will be papers & make up the rest of the story, which in most cases accounts to a lot of discrepencies.

So in no way am I denying it has happened,I am just sceptical about the sources or methods of reporting.Papers go for sensationalism .

1. The article reported that the RAPIST claimed it was consensual. Surely, you are not using the claims of a rapist as the major support for your argument, right???? Unreal

No Kat READ the articles,before you jump down my throat.No charges were laid for rape but as having sex with underage person I don't know.All I can tell you is what I have read,parents withdrew charges.Merely reporting what was dicussed ion Thai Visa,

2. What exactly is doubtful about this scenario? The fact that she is a mother and above the age of 40???? Do you really think that your obviously narrow ideas about female attractiveness determine who gets raped or not???

, SJ and Tarrargona

Narrow ideas?Hardly Kat.What does age ( 40 )have to do with it, I merely reported what was said&talked about .Doesn't suit your ears?

[Rooo]

Read Samui Express, page 3 for further updates on that story.

[sriracha john]

Read Samui Express, page 3 for further updates on that story.

Do you have URL for that? Is it online? If not, can you scan the story and allow all of us to be better informed?

[Rooo]

I will try & do that SJ.

www.samuiexpress.net

IMHO that gives a better overview on the story, then the fragmented reports you get in the national press.

[gburns57au]

sorry to disagree again, but with all your assumptions it's difficult to know what you mean. If there is "no detectable evidence" supporting a rape claim, what "evidence" did they send to Bangkok?

Try the public government hospitals next time you come to Thailand... and you'll see my point that most staff don't speak English. "Ditto" with police. Frankly, by your insistence that all these people are fully capable of speaking English makes me wonder how much you really do get out and about when you do visit Thailand.

They sent samples to Bangkok....if the samples prove anything then they will become evidence. The evidence I am referring to is the results of the initial physical examination. Scratches, bruising etc.... You really are a pedantic fellow.

I didnt say fully capable of speaking english at all....I get out and about a fair bit....once I was actually speaking to a young bloke in Buriram who was learning English so that he could apply to join the Police force and had conversations with a trainee nurse in english....Just because they dont speak english around you doesnt mean that they dont have at least some basic knowledge of English.

[phanganisland_com]

Luckly on Koh Phangan, these sort of crime happen rarely, it's just 40 minutes away by ferry. Koh Tao seems to be also a safe place.

Simon

[Thai Chi]

Luckly on Koh Phangan, these sort of crime happen rarely, it's just 40 minutes away by ferry. Koh Tao seems to be also a safe place.

A list of accommodation on Koh Phangan here.

Simon

So reading your post 'phanganisland_com' I assume it does happen, but just not as frequently as Samui

A somewhat insensitive post 'phanganisland_com' considering the topic

Actually, is there not some TV forum rules that does not allow this type of advertising???

Shame on you for using this topic and misfortune of someone to advertise your website

[seville]

Simon,

Very tacky!!!!

I agree, about the comment on crimes, but done in very bad taste.

[Jiu-Jitsu]

I am truly surprised at some of the things that I have read on this page.

That aside, if you had spent any time on Samui at all, you would understand that most of the things pointed out by gburns57au as 'inconsistencies' are nothing of the sort. The security guards at the Green Mango can barely speak English. It is NOT unusual for someone to be carried out almost comatose by their 'friends'. Those 'friends' include Thais. The is a fair amount of Thai and 'Farang' integration on Samui, so a foreigner and a Thai carrying a girl out of the Green Mango because she appeared too drunk to stand, is not out of the ordinary.

Again, the story is as reported by the newspaper, not as told by the girl. So we cannot be sure that the events were reported in chronological order.

I haven't read anywhere that she was travelling with a boyfriend. I have read that she was travelling with a friend.

Yes I did use the BF, didnt I ?? that was an oversight after someone else said that....An error on my part..... sorry

Her friend would have little idea what to do in the situation of her going missing. He wouldn't assume that she had been kidnapped from a busy nightclub.

So, he would party on and then eventually go back to the bungalow to see if she were there.

Then what? There is very rarely any obvious police presence on Chaweng. There are plain clothes police, but how would he know who they were?

So, would he charter a taxi and ride alone in the dark to Nathon to report her missing, when she could just be simply be enjoying a drunken kiss on the beach.

The point is that it is quite unclear what to do in those situation, especially if you've had a drink or two.

So if your travelling companion went missing suddenly in a bar while you were in the toilet, you would just party on then ??? You wouldnt try to find out where she had gone ???

I reported a missing girl in London and was told that I would have to wait up to 48 hours before they would do anything, as most people turn up. She did.

So, do you think that they would mobilise the whole of the Samui force to locate a party goer?

Yes I would if that girl who is a stranger to the country suddenly and without good reason went missing while I was in the toilet. It is different to a local girl going missing in a place where she knows her way around, or a girl that at least can speak the local lingo.

Do be so quick to pass judgement. There are a myriad of variables.

Yes there are variables, but variables are assumptions....as I said before I am looking at the reported facts and making comment on them. The reported facts in this case dont add up.

It is clear that you have never been to Samui. You certainly didn't take note of my first paragraph.

Secondly, what I would do in that situation is COMPLETELY different from what many others do.

Thirdly, I didn't ask you what YOU would do, we are talking about the Samui Police.

You said that you are looking at 'reported facts'. An oxymoron if I've ever seen one.

Lastly and most importantly, learn from someone who actually KNOWS life on Samui.

[gburns57au]

It is clear that you have never been to Samui. You certainly didn't take note of my first paragraph.

Secondly, what I would do in that situation is COMPLETELY different from what many others do.

Thirdly, I didn't ask you what YOU would do, we are talking about the Samui Police.

You said that you are looking at 'reported facts'. An oxymoron if I've ever seen one.

Lastly and most importantly, learn from someone who actually KNOWS life on Samui.

Whether I have been to Samui or not is irrelevent as is the ability of the security guys to speak English and whether it is normal or not for drunken females to be carried out of the bar by their friends.

What is relevent is that there is no reports on this guy doing anything when he discovered his companion missing. My point is that he surely would have done something whether he was in Samui, Pattaya or Bangkok.

I would guess you would do what most of us would do in the same situation...try and find out where the girl had gone and if she was ok. Going by the report it is not as if they were drunk....two beers and a tequila.

(Quote:) So, do you think that they would mobilise the whole of the Samui force to locate a party goer? (Unquote)

Sorry I thought you were asking for an opinion here.....do I think that the police should have been alerted and a search initiated....Yes I would if I was the guy in question and I had reported her missing.

I use the term reported facts because that is all there is to comment on....the facts as reported. And there are inconsistencies in the facts as reported.

Your last comment is answered before....there is no relevence.