Pimp Or Saint?

[up2you2]

Stick asks what is it that makes a girl turn to the dark side?

I would like to turn that question around, where do you draw the line whereby a Farang could be deem to be living off immoral earnings.

[Humbugged]

What are immoral earnings exactly ?

[Dancealot]

And when did stick ask that?

[Humbugged]

And when did stick ask that?

When she left him.

[Dancealot]

Guess earnings are not immoral if you are doing something for the greater good. Evility/immorality remains trivial.

Fact is more farangs are in the immoral business then the thai girls.

[rene123]

Guess earnings are not immoral if you are doing something for the greater good. Evility/immorality remains trivial.

Fact is more farangs are in the immoral business then the thai girls.

Ain't that the truth. And, whose business is it when it is a private deal agreed to by both parties?

[Humbugged]

Guess earnings are not immoral if you are doing something for the greater good. Evility/immorality remains trivial.

Fact is more farangs are in the immoral business then the thai girls.

Ain't that the truth. And, whose business is it when it is a private deal agreed to by both parties?

The person that runs the business ?

[krisb]

Long as your not hurting anybody, then its ok.

Edited December 10, 2012 by krisb

[SeaVisionBurma]

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[rene123]

Guess earnings are not immoral if you are doing something for the greater good. Evility/immorality remains trivial.

Fact is more farangs are in the immoral business then the thai girls.

Ain't that the truth. And, whose business is it when it is a private deal agreed to by both parties?

The person that runs the business ?

As the hooker said to the client... "It's been a business doing pleasure with you."

[ivan96822]

Nobody's innocent in BKK.....Everybody has an agenda, and so long as nobody steps on any toes, let BKK be BKK.

[Dancealot]

Guess earnings are not immoral if you are doing something for the greater good. Evility/immorality remains trivial.

Fact is more farangs are in the immoral business then the thai girls.

Ain't that the truth. And, whose business is it when it is a private deal agreed to by both parties?

The person that runs the business ?

As the hooker said to the client... "It's been a business doing pleasure with you."

But both parties agreed on the terms...

It is business where emotion is not relevant.

[bthai2012]

any bar owner operating a business with a barfine/lady drink deal in place is nothing but a glorified pimp and is making a living from girls with very few options that are putting themselves at risk so they can earn some cash

some of the bar owners accept his label while others think they are doing nothing wrong, it's.bad enough when the thai's do it but imo when westerners do it it's far worse and more exploitive

[Dancealot]

any bar owner operating a business with a barfine/lady drink deal in place is nothing but a glorified pimp and is making a living from girls with very few options that are putting themselves at risk so they can earn some cash

some of the bar owners accept his label while others think they are doing nothing wrong, it's.bad enough when the thai's do it but imo when westerners do it it's far worse and more exploitive

Good point.

But if westerners are in the game(like you mentioned here) they have to allow themselves to be exploited by the system.

So i ask more? Is their(farang owner) pimping more bad? It is still pimping and it think IMHO evil remains trivial. And we as farang are not to judge. More strongly we have not the insight and capability to judge between pimp or saint.

[Humbugged]

any bar owner operating a business with a barfine/lady drink deal in place is nothing but a glorified pimp and is making a living from girls with very few options that are putting themselves at risk so they can earn some cash

some of the bar owners accept his label while others think they are doing nothing wrong, it's.bad enough when the thai's do it but imo when westerners do it it's far worse and more exploitive

Yet perhaps you, and if not you...millions of people use the services of said pimp, but do not complain at the time they are getting their rocks off.

[chiangmaikelly]

any bar owner operating a business with a barfine/lady drink deal in place is nothing but a glorified pimp and is making a living from girls with very few options that are putting themselves at risk so they can earn some cash

some of the bar owners accept his label while others think they are doing nothing wrong, it's.bad enough when the thai's do it but imo when westerners do it it's far worse and more exploitive

If the lady makes more money than a 2 doctors working in Thailand is that OK? I mean it's like at that point she has a number of options like to buy a hotel or college or something.

[bthai2012]

Good point.

But if westerners are in the game(like you mentioned here) they have to allow themselves to be exploited by the system.

So i ask more? Is their(farang owner) pimping more bad? It is still pimping and it think IMHO evil remains trivial. And we as farang are not to judge. More strongly we have not the insight and capability to judge between pimp or saint.

i think their pimping is worse they are exploiting people in a poor country and taking advantage/embracing corruption so that they can profit, these people have no morals yet some market themselves as good people...would they be pimps in their own country..probably not but more than likely they'd still be losers..low class scum

Yet perhaps you, and if not you...millions of people use the services of said pimp, but do not complain at the time they are getting their rocks off.

well i don't use their service and the fact that many people without a care for others can take advantage of a sad situation doesn't excuse it..do you think these millions of people are paying for sex in their own country? many will but you'll find just as many are ashamed to do it in their own country or they feel that because they are on holiday and its what happens in parts of los that its acceptable

i feel given the education and the benefits that people in the west are raised with i judge them far more harshly than someone(from los) with very few options who probably doesnt have the education of a young teenager back in the west...would they be happy for children to make decisions in the west that child-like adults make in los...more thank likely not...and those that would be fine with it would just identify themselves as low class scum along with child abusers

...off tangent but its similar to when you see westerners driving mopeds with a baby or a child on the handlebars of the bike with or without a helmet. why? because an uneducated and poor thai is forced to do it

when i see these westerners i feel like giving them a slap, what would happen if they behaved in the same way in their own country?(putting a child at risk) many people would be outraged and feel the same anger towards them that i do

If the lady makes more money than a 2 doctors working in Thailand is that OK? I mean it's like at that point she has a number of options like to buy a hotel or college or something.

i've a feeling my comments have triggered a response from some of these bar owners, friends or customers

something thats conviently ignored, many of these working girls(who if born into better cicumstances would no way be selling themselves) are raped...in the west no means no and if a male/female persists then it is without consent and is classed as rape, yet the beleif is that peopel are paying for the girl and she has little choice..or that she made the decision to work there and put herself at risk, as if that excuses it, even the men that are on the surface more gentle with these girls that doesnt mean that they haven't been sexually abused beforehand

that's the industry these guys are involved in, they are not there to protect or save anyone otherwise they would open hostels and charities..instead they profit from the situation while pretending to care or be a good guy

Edited December 11, 2012 by bthai2012

[chiangmaikelly]

Good point.

But if westerners are in the game(like you mentioned here) they have to allow themselves to be exploited by the system.

So i ask more? Is their(farang owner) pimping more bad? It is still pimping and it think IMHO evil remains trivial. And we as farang are not to judge. More strongly we have not the insight and capability to judge between pimp or saint.

i think their pimping is worse they are exploiting people in a poor country and taking advantage/embracing corruption so that they can profit, these people have no morals yet some market themselves as good people...would they be pimps in their own country..probably not but more than likely they'd still be losers..low class scum

Yet perhaps you, and if not you...millions of people use the services of said pimp, but do not complain at the time they are getting their rocks off.

well i don't use their service and the fact that many people without a care for others can take advantage of a sad situation doesn't excuse it..do you think these millions of people are paying for sex in their own country? many will but you'll find just as many are ashamed to do it in their own country or they feel that because they are on holiday and its what happens in parts of los that its acceptable

i feel given the education and the benefits that people in the west are raised with i judge them far more harshly than someone(from los) with very few options who probably doesnt have the education of a young teenager back in the west...would they be happy for children to make decisions in the west that child-like adults make in los...more thank likely not...and those that would be fine with it would just identify themselves as low class scum along with child abusers

...off tangent but its similar to when you see westerners driving mopeds with a baby or a child on the handlebars of the bike with or without a helmet. why? because an uneducated and poor thai is forced to do it

when i see these westerners i feel like giving them a slap, what would happen if they behaved in the same way in their own country?(putting a child at risk) many people would be outraged and feel the same anger towards them that i do

If the lady makes more money than a 2 doctors working in Thailand is that OK? I mean it's like at that point she has a number of options like to buy a hotel or college or something.

i've a feeling my comments have triggered a response from some of these bar owners, friends or customers

something thats conviently ignored, many of these working girls(who if born into better cicumstances would no way be selling themselves) are raped...in the west no means no and if a male/female persists then it is without consent and is classed as rape, yet the beleif is that peopel are paying for the girl and she has little choice..or that she made the decision to work there and put herself at risk, as if that excuses it, even the men that are on the surface more gentle with these girls that doesnt mean that they haven't been sexually abused beforehand

that's the industry these guys are involved in, they are not there to protect or save anyone otherwise they would open hostels and charities..instead they profit from the situation while pretending to care or be a good guy

You certainly seem to know a lot about bar girls in Thailand. Have you ever met one in real life? Do you have any bar girl friends that you can talk to about such personal stuff?

[bthai2012]

You certainly seem to know a lot about bar girls in Thailand. Have you ever met one in real life? Do you have any bar girl friends that you can talk to about such personal stuff?

im not the one suggesting they earn the same as doctors am i?

im sorry if my opinion has you on the defensive but if you are low class then you're low class...keep fishing for a reaction on the forum though

Edited December 11, 2012 by bthai2012

[chiangmaikelly]

You certainly seem to know a lot about bar girls in Thailand. Have you ever met one in real life? Do you have any bar girl friends that you can talk to about such personal stuff?

im not the one suggesting they earn the same as doctors am i?

im sorry if my opinion has you on the defensive but if you are low class then you're low class...keep fishing for a reaction on the forum though

I am not suggesting anything. I know. My question to you is the same. Have you ever met and talked with a Thai prostitute?

[I Like Thai]

If you're not paying tax on it, then it's probably Immoral.

[bthai2012]

I am not suggesting anything. I know. My question to you is the same. Have you ever met and talked with a Thai prostitute?

of course you're trying to suggest something, it's as clear as day that those with a problem with my opinion are likely bar owners, friends or customers..so which are you?

you're suggesting that a bar girl earning the same as a dr makes her role ok..that's you attempting to justify it or perhaps you enjoy playing devils advocate

yes i've spoken with prostitutes and have visited thailand off an on for about 10 years now, i have experience in the country and with thai families from different financial backgrounds...feel free to play your next card

[chiangmaikelly]

I am not suggesting anything. I know. My question to you is the same. Have you ever met and talked with a Thai prostitute?

of course you're trying to suggest something, it's as clear as day that those with a problem with my opinion are likely bar owners, friends or customers..so which are you?

you're suggesting that a bar girl earning the same as a dr makes her role ok..that's you attempting to justify it or perhaps you enjoy playing devils advocate

yes i've spoken with prostitutes and have visited thailand off an on for about 10 years now, i have experience in the country and with thai families from different financial backgrounds...feel free to play your next card

I have known bar girls who make as much as doctors and bar girls who make less than a noodle seller. 9 out of 10 never meet a Farang. I know about a thousand bar girls. I have never met one who was forced to do anything. It is a business and lifestyle choice. Recently drugs have been more and more involved in that choice. I am not god nor do I judge people as you do so easily. Most of the things you describe don't exist except in novels. Bar girls are bar girls because they want quick money and not too much work and it has been like that for hundreds of years in Thailand.

[bthai2012]

I am not suggesting anything. I know. My question to you is the same. Have you ever met and talked with a Thai prostitute?

of course you're trying to suggest something, it's as clear as day that those with a problem with my opinion are likely bar owners, friends or customers..so which are you?

you're suggesting that a bar girl earning the same as a dr makes her role ok..that's you attempting to justify it or perhaps you enjoy playing devils advocate

yes i've spoken with prostitutes and have visited thailand off an on for about 10 years now, i have experience in the country and with thai families from different financial backgrounds...feel free to play your next card

I have known bar girls who make as much as doctors and bar girls who make less than a noodle seller. 9 out of 10 never meet a Farang. I know about a thousand bar girls. I have never met one who was forced to do anything. It is a business and lifestyle choice. Recently drugs have been more and more involved in that choice. I am not god nor do I judge people as you do so easily. Most of the things you describe don't exist except in novels. Bar girls are bar girls because they want quick money and not too much work and it has been like that for hundreds of years in Thailand.

i call a spade a spade, i dont pretend to be a god or some open minded hippy, i'm open minded in general but many like yourself ask for people not to judge as you don't want to be judged for your own illicit behaviour

from your extensive knowledge of 1000's of bargirls then you'd have learned that many are stuck in a rut, they are the children of poor uneducated individuals that are then left to provide for their family, be that in money, food, education for brother or sister or child(to attempt to give an opportunity that they didnt have) or putting a roof over their head..but guys like yourself are just helping them to take care of mama eh?

they are forced into prostituting themselves to provide for their family, as they have been brought up poor they are likely lacking in education and therefore have very few options, then you have the old dirt bag that goes to the "farms" to recruit these innocent girls that are there to exploited.

the thai ratbags that go and recruit them..do you think they are doing that for the families or the girls benefit or because they are paid by a thai or scumbag westerner to bring girls into the scene

these bar girls earning the same as doctors..is that year in year out for 30+ years? or are you talking about a year or 2 where the girl has to become someone very different from the innocent child that they grew up as ..and what risks do they face to earn that money? the same as a well educated doctor?

you have a very simplistic view of the industry perhaps that eases your own conscience ..perhaps you don't have one

[Humbugged]

I am not suggesting anything. I know. My question to you is the same. Have you ever met and talked with a Thai prostitute?

of course you're trying to suggest something, it's as clear as day that those with a problem with my opinion are likely bar owners, friends or customers..so which are you?

you're suggesting that a bar girl earning the same as a dr makes her role ok..that's you attempting to justify it or perhaps you enjoy playing devils advocate

yes i've spoken with prostitutes and have visited thailand off an on for about 10 years now, i have experience in the country and with thai families from different financial backgrounds...feel free to play your next card

I have known bar girls who make as much as doctors and bar girls who make less than a noodle seller. 9 out of 10 never meet a Farang. I know about a thousand bar girls. I have never met one who was forced to do anything. It is a business and lifestyle choice. Recently drugs have been more and more involved in that choice. I am not god nor do I judge people as you do so easily. Most of the things you describe don't exist except in novels. Bar girls are bar girls because they want quick money and not too much work and it has been like that for hundreds of years in Thailand.

i call a spade a spade, i dont pretend to be a god or some open minded hippy, i'm open minded in general but many like yourself ask for people not to judge as you don't want to be judged for your own illicit behaviour

from your extensive knowledge of 1000's of bargirls then you'd have learned that many are stuck in a rut, they are the children of poor uneducated individuals that are then left to provide for their family, be that in money, food, education for brother or sister or child(to attempt to give an opportunity that they didnt have) or putting a roof over their head..but guys like yourself are just helping them to take care of mama eh?

they are forced into prostituting themselves to provide for their family, as they have been brought up poor they are likely lacking in education and therefore have very few options, then you have the old dirt bag that goes to the "farms" to recruit these innocent girls that are there to exploited.

the thai ratbags that go and recruit them..do you think they are doing that for the families or the girls benefit or because they are paid by a thai or scumbag westerner to bring girls into the scene

these bar girls earning the same as doctors..is that year in year out for 30+ years? or are you talking about a year or 2 where the girl has to become someone very different from the innocent child that they grew up as ..and what risks do they face to earn that money? the same as a well educated doctor?

you have a very simplistic view of the industry perhaps that eases your own conscience ..perhaps you don't have one

You should drop into Poseidons one day and have a look and chat at the girls working there of their own free will....college girls, models, film stars.....the broad range.

You seem the one with the simplistic view.

[chiangmaikelly]

I am not suggesting anything. I know. My question to you is the same. Have you ever met and talked with a Thai prostitute?

of course you're trying to suggest something, it's as clear as day that those with a problem with my opinion are likely bar owners, friends or customers..so which are you?

you're suggesting that a bar girl earning the same as a dr makes her role ok..that's you attempting to justify it or perhaps you enjoy playing devils advocate

yes i've spoken with prostitutes and have visited thailand off an on for about 10 years now, i have experience in the country and with thai families from different financial backgrounds...feel free to play your next card

I have known bar girls who make as much as doctors and bar girls who make less than a noodle seller. 9 out of 10 never meet a Farang. I know about a thousand bar girls. I have never met one who was forced to do anything. It is a business and lifestyle choice. Recently drugs have been more and more involved in that choice. I am not god nor do I judge people as you do so easily. Most of the things you describe don't exist except in novels. Bar girls are bar girls because they want quick money and not too much work and it has been like that for hundreds of years in Thailand.

i call a spade a spade, i dont pretend to be a god or some open minded hippy, i'm open minded in general but many like yourself ask for people not to judge as you don't want to be judged for your own illicit behaviour

from your extensive knowledge of 1000's of bargirls then you'd have learned that many are stuck in a rut, they are the children of poor uneducated individuals that are then left to provide for their family, be that in money, food, education for brother or sister or child(to attempt to give an opportunity that they didnt have) or putting a roof over their head..but guys like yourself are just helping them to take care of mama eh?

they are forced into prostituting themselves to provide for their family, as they have been brought up poor they are likely lacking in education and therefore have very few options, then you have the old dirt bag that goes to the "farms" to recruit these innocent girls that are there to exploited.

the thai ratbags that go and recruit them..do you think they are doing that for the families or the girls benefit or because they are paid by a thai or scumbag westerner to bring girls into the scene

these bar girls earning the same as doctors..is that year in year out for 30+ years? or are you talking about a year or 2 where the girl has to become someone very different from the innocent child that they grew up as ..and what risks do they face to earn that money? the same as a well educated doctor?

you have a very simplistic view of the industry perhaps that eases your own conscience ..perhaps you don't have one

I think you will find a lot of college girls supplement their income and get new cell phones by doing a little p4p on the side. I have heard 50% of the ladies at some institutions of higher learning in some places. Thailand's revenue from the naughty nightlife business is about the same as rice exports or 10% of the GDP. I think you throw around words like scumbag too easily when talking about a profession that has been around since the dawn of mankind. I set the agenda for my conscience and you don't. Sorry that must make you cringe. He may but I don't think god posts much on Thai Visa.

The girls take a bus to Bangkok, Pattaya and places like that after they have worked locally for a number of years. It is like a farm system for football players. Most never make it to the big cities for one reason or another. You are talking about a system that died years ago. Do some reading about current organizations devoted to helping women like EMPOWER foundation and educate yourself.

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post has been removed.

[StreetCowboy]

I am not suggesting anything. I know. My question to you is the same. Have you ever met and talked with a Thai prostitute?

of course you're trying to suggest something, it's as clear as day that those with a problem with my opinion are likely bar owners, friends or customers..so which are you?

you're suggesting that a bar girl earning the same as a dr makes her role ok..that's you attempting to justify it or perhaps you enjoy playing devils advocate

yes i've spoken with prostitutes and have visited thailand off an on for about 10 years now, i have experience in the country and with thai families from different financial backgrounds...feel free to play your next card

I have known bar girls who make as much as doctors and bar girls who make less than a noodle seller. 9 out of 10 never meet a Farang. I know about a thousand bar girls. I have never met one who was forced to do anything. It is a business and lifestyle choice. Recently drugs have been more and more involved in that choice. I am not god nor do I judge people as you do so easily. Most of the things you describe don't exist except in novels. Bar girls are bar girls because they want quick money and not too much work and it has been like that for hundreds of years in Thailand.

i call a spade a spade, i dont pretend to be a god or some open minded hippy, i'm open minded in general but many like yourself ask for people not to judge as you don't want to be judged for your own illicit behaviour

from your extensive knowledge of 1000's of bargirls then you'd have learned that many are stuck in a rut, they are the children of poor uneducated individuals that are then left to provide for their family, be that in money, food, education for brother or sister or child(to attempt to give an opportunity that they didnt have) or putting a roof over their head..but guys like yourself are just helping them to take care of mama eh?

they are forced into prostituting themselves to provide for their family, as they have been brought up poor they are likely lacking in education and therefore have very few options, then you have the old dirt bag that goes to the "farms" to recruit these innocent girls that are there to exploited.

the thai ratbags that go and recruit them..do you think they are doing that for the families or the girls benefit or because they are paid by a thai or scumbag westerner to bring girls into the scene

these bar girls earning the same as doctors..is that year in year out for 30+ years? or are you talking about a year or 2 where the girl has to become someone very different from the innocent child that they grew up as ..and what risks do they face to earn that money? the same as a well educated doctor?

you have a very simplistic view of the industry perhaps that eases your own conscience ..perhaps you don't have one

You may not pretend to be god, but you give a good impression of a narrow-minded and judgemental prude.

Perhaps you might try pretending to be God, and forgiving the sins and weaknesses of those you see beneath you

SC

[Dancealot]

Nobody want to be like that SC. But you hit the nail with the hammer in one time. Perhaps humbleity should be added in the dictionary.

Edited December 13, 2012 by Dancealot