C R E S Was Simply Maintaining Law And Order In 2010 : Thawil

[GiHadOrange]

Had the police acted in a responsible manner and done the job they are supposedly employed to do in relation to upholding the law, it would never have needed the input of the CRES who had no choice but to step in and stop what was happening and got worse by the hour prior to the goverment having to take action.

Let no one forget the violence and armed opposition the unlawful protestors were using against the soldiers and anyone else who stood in their way / tried to calm then down ect. ect.

What happened IMHO should first and foremost be the responsibility of Thaksin, the police and the red apologists who went far beyond trying the patience of the government and were hell bent on the violent destruction that went way beyond the limits of tolerance.

As was demonstrated during the recent Pitac " peaceful " protests they are more than capable of controlling protesters, long before confrontation got to the levels of 2010.

Then again as we all know in the first instance re Aphisit and Suthep it was for the benefit of one person in exile AKA leader, for whom they consistanly ( and openly ) admit to favouring and pledging allegiance to ect. ect.

In the latter it was for the benefit of his opposers, did not favour Thaksin and the police in this instance did not hesitate to enforce the law.

As and when Aphisit nd Suthep are charged, they must surely do likewise in all the other cases in previous disorder and extra judicial killings and charge all those ex officials and PMs and offices supposedly protecting the public, not least of all the those Thaksin personally oversaw and encouraged, even after knowing the muderous build up and still refusing to stop it from the tragic loss of lives as in the infamous EJK,s ect. ect.

marshbags

P.S.

May I suggest the government and it,s institutions of law show non bias in relation to what they have orchestrated re the charges ( on behalf of a fugitive from outside the country ) against Aphisit and Suthep and as to suppossedly why by immediately issuing an arrest warrant for Thaksin and the police act in a manner that compliments all Thai and lawful adminstration of their duties as and when they visit him.

The police wasn't in charge anymore after the CRES took over.

That the police did nothing and so that the CRES had to take is a false statement.

[yoshiwara]

Had the police acted in a responsible manner and done the job they are supposedly employed to do in relation to upholding the law, it would never have needed the input of the CRES who had no choice but to step in and stop what was happening and got worse by the hour prior to the goverment having to take action.

Let no one forget the violence and armed opposition the unlawful protestors were using against the soldiers and anyone else who stood in their way / tried to calm then down ect. ect.

What happened IMHO should first and foremost be the responsibility of Thaksin, the police and the red apologists who went far beyond trying the patience of the government and were hell bent on the violent destruction that went way beyond the limits of tolerance.

As was demonstrated during the recent Pitac " peaceful " protests they are more than capable of controlling protesters, long before confrontation got to the levels of 2010.

Then again as we all know in the first instance re Aphisit and Suthep it was for the benefit of one person in exile AKA leader, for whom they consistanly ( and openly ) admit to favouring and pledging allegiance to ect. ect.

In the latter it was for the benefit of his opposers, did not favour Thaksin and the police in this instance did not hesitate to enforce the law.

As and when Aphisit nd Suthep are charged, they must surely do likewise in all the other cases in previous disorder and extra judicial killings and charge all those ex officials and PMs and offices supposedly protecting the public, not least of all the those Thaksin personally oversaw and encouraged, even after knowing the muderous build up and still refusing to stop it from the tragic loss of lives as in the infamous EJK,s ect. ect.

marshbags

P.S.

May I suggest the government and it,s institutions of law show non bias in relation to what they have orchestrated re the charges ( on behalf of a fugitive from outside the country ) against Aphisit and Suthep and as to suppossedly why by immediately issuing an arrest warrant for Thaksin and the police act in a manner that compliments all Thai and lawful adminstration of their duties as and when they visit him.

The police wasn't in charge anymore after the CRES took over.

That the police did nothing and so that the CRES had to take is a false statement.

Well I for one would be fascinated to hear what the police did during these events as they were notably absent.

[marshbags]

[The police wasn't in charge anymore after the CRES took over.

That the police did nothing and so that the CRES had to take is a false statement.

The function and role of the police at all times relating to unlawful acts and crowd control ect. ect. is to contain and prevent such scenarious getting out of control.

They had a responsibility to use the authority they was invested in them / are obliged to do, by Thai law which is among a multitude of other pertinent duties their roles demand of them.

If they had acted in a professional non biased way as is and should be expected of them, long before the horrendous events got to the stage they did we would not be were we are today..

Ultimately because of non existant policing, soldiers had to apply their recognised roles and duties enforced upon them due to things that most certainly were getting out of control and again most certainly threatening to go to the extremes of anacharistic proportions, quite rightly they were obliged to carry out their duties.

The government also had a duty to prevent it reaching such an anarcharial scenario that was a threat to national security and the state and unlike the police in he developing stages carried it out... professional and without further hesitation.

Just in case anyone thinks it was pre planned and deliberately meant to kill and injure ( it was most certainly was not ) I for one lost count of the the number of occasions when they should have moved in and take control when they had cause for concern yet showed unbelievable restraint and patience before eventually having to make the decision to do act.

Time and again the rioters were asked to cease their violent destructions ect. ect. and it is all well documented along wih the government trying to get them to stop and abide by the laws of Thailand.

Jesus can anyone who doubts them taking back control of this evil vendetta against the government and those who oppose these uncontrollable mob, imagine what would have happened had the rioters been left to the eventual anarchistic levels they were obviously hell bent on achieving, led by and controlled by a fugitve AKA Thaksin and his evil overseers based in Thailand, had they not acted when they did.

Rather than be held responsible for the deaths and injuries that occured, the government led by Aphisit and Suthep have without doubt saved many more that had the potential to reach into hundreds, if not thousands, should rightly applauded for what they had to do

AS for a developing into a democratic society of the future, this would also have been non existant and we would be experiencing a dictatorship like one, controlled of course by the dictator in exile.

Thank god the government had the courage to step in, even though obvious human collateral would have been a possible /obvious, yet unwanted result and done what was, to put it simply their duty.

This of course is understating what they did, and the reasons why they had no choice but to do it.

marshbags

Edited December 15, 2012 by marshbags

[metisdead]

Another off topic post has been removed as well as the replies.

[AleG]

[The police wasn't in charge anymore after the CRES took over.

That the police did nothing and so that the CRES had to take is a false statement.

The function and role of the police at all times relating to unlawful acts and crowd control ect. ect. is to contain and prevent such scenarious getting out of control.

...

And everywhere in the world, even clean-as-a-whistle democracies the police carry firearms with authorization to use them in certain circumstances. If they don't and cause death by not following the established procedures I've never heard a PM or president being charged with murder for deaths resulting from that.

[hellodolly]

simple truth - you had a government legally in charge of thailand and a terrorist mob bent on destroying Bangkok using lethal force, they were told to disperse after ridiculous amount of time that no government in the world would have allowed - they refused and they were removed by force as forwarned - mob rule doesn't work

That was the function of C.R.E.S. at the time while under a an emergency act

(on topic)

Good post, thanks.

And funny enough that these supposed Innocent Red shirts who were so blatantly abused by the then said government and that a poor taxi driver died and Abishit and Suthep are accused of HIS murder ...Funny that they day before Abishit and Suthep had to present themselves at the DSI that the court case against these 24 Red Shirts was YET AGAIN POSTPONNED till today and today this is the result

Thai 'Red Shirt' protest leaders go on trial

BANGKOK, Dec 14, 2012 (AFP) - A terrorism trial against Thai leaders of the 2010 "Red Shirt" protests began on Friday, a day after the nation's former premier was charged over his role in the deadly unrest.

The 24 accused, who include five current lawmakers, could in theory face the death penalty in the case, which was delayed again on Thursday because of the absence of key witnesses.

All but one defendant was present at Bangkok Criminal Court on Friday, according to an AFP reporter at the court.

Just why are these people not also charged with murder?

[Pimay1]

simple truth - you had a government legally in charge of thailand and a terrorist mob bent on destroying Bangkok using lethal force, they were told to disperse after ridiculous amount of time that no government in the world would have allowed - they refused and they were removed by force as forwarned - mob rule doesn't work

That was the function of C.R.E.S. at the time while under a an emergency act

(on topic)

Good post, thanks.

And funny enough that these supposed Innocent Red shirts who were so blatantly abused by the then said government and that a poor taxi driver died and Abishit and Suthep are accused of HIS murder ...Funny that they day before Abishit and Suthep had to present themselves at the DSI that the court case against these 24 Red Shirts was YET AGAIN POSTPONNED till today and today this is the result

Thai 'Red Shirt' protest leaders go on trial

BANGKOK, Dec 14, 2012 (AFP) - A terrorism trial against Thai leaders of the 2010 "Red Shirt" protests began on Friday, a day after the nation's former premier was charged over his role in the deadly unrest.

The 24 accused, who include five current lawmakers, could in theory face the death penalty in the case, which was delayed again on Thursday because of the absence of key witnesses.

All but one defendant was present at Bangkok Criminal Court on Friday, according to an AFP reporter at the court.

Just why are these people not also charged with murder?

I believe it is called red democracy.

[marshbags]

[The police wasn't in charge anymore after the CRES took over.

That the police did nothing and so that the CRES had to take is a false statement.

The function and role of the police at all times relating to unlawful acts and crowd control ect. ect. is to contain and prevent such scenarious getting out of control.

...

And everywhere in the world, even clean-as-a-whistle democracies the police carry firearms with authorization to use them in certain circumstances. If they don't and cause death by not following the established procedures I've never heard a PM or president being charged with murder for deaths resulting from that.

Well said AG.

It sums up not only my thoughts but more importantly, those of all decent law abiding citizens around the globe who put their faith and trust in their leaders.

marshbags

[Ricardo]

simple truth - you had a government legally in charge of thailand and a terrorist mob bent on destroying Bangkok using lethal force, they were told to disperse after ridiculous amount of time that no government in the world would have allowed - they refused and they were removed by force as forwarned - mob rule doesn't work

That was the function of C.R.E.S. at the time while under a an emergency act

(on topic)

Good post, thanks.

And funny enough that these supposed Innocent Red shirts who were so blatantly abused by the then said government and that a poor taxi driver died and Abishit and Suthep are accused of HIS murder ...Funny that they day before Abishit and Suthep had to present themselves at the DSI that the court case against these 24 Red Shirts was YET AGAIN POSTPONNED till today and today this is the result

Thai 'Red Shirt' protest leaders go on trial

BANGKOK, Dec 14, 2012 (AFP) - A terrorism trial against Thai leaders of the 2010 "Red Shirt" protests began on Friday, a day after the nation's former premier was charged over his role in the deadly unrest.

The 24 accused, who include five current lawmakers, could in theory face the death penalty in the case, which was delayed again on Thursday because of the absence of key witnesses.

All but one defendant was present at Bangkok Criminal Court on Friday, according to an AFP reporter at the court.

Just why are these people not also charged with murder?

Perhaps they're still having their fingerprints (and pictures) taken ?

No Double Standards !

[OzMick]

Perhaps they're still having their fingerprints (and pictures) taken ?

No Double Standards !

Only in Thailand would a deputy minister's attendance at a meeting take precedence over his capital court case.

[Ricardo]

Perhaps they're still having their fingerprints (and pictures) taken ?

No Double Standards !

Only in Thailand would a deputy minister's attendance at a meeting take precedence over his capital court case.

Mustn't let the cat out of the bag, that there are cases against Red-Shirts or MPs, after all there's no such thing as terrorism here, they must merely have been making 'legitimate political protests' like the Iranian bombers !

Which actually, I believe they were, until it turned violent and a State of Emergency was declared, funnily enough former-PM Abhisit also seemed at-the-time to think for some weeks that they had a right to protest peacefully, strange thought that, clearly must now be stamped-out under 'true democracy' !

[animatic]

No coincidence that the Red Leadership is in the dock for terrorism for

the same protests and occupation of Bangkok streets, and then opposition

is now charged with high crimes, since the Reds are in government now.

So this is a parallel Tit for Tat prosecution, and likely parallel defense mechanism.

Arguing:

'How can they be guilty of terrorism if the leaders they were protesting are murderers.'

It is a false logic argument, but one they clearly want to try.

Maybe because it is one of the few cards they have to play,

vs.the huge amount of proof they were creating insurrection and terrorism in the streets

as the Red Leadership... Clear to all world wide, if they cared to look without blinders on.

Edited December 16, 2012 by animatic

[animatic]

Had the police acted in a responsible manner and done the job they are supposedly employed to do in relation to upholding the law, it would never have needed the input of the CRES who had no choice but to step in and stop what was happening and got worse by the hour prior to the goverment having to take action.

Let no one forget the violence and armed opposition the unlawful protestors were using against the soldiers and anyone else who stood in their way / tried to calm then down ect. ect.

What happened IMHO should first and foremost be the responsibility of Thaksin, the police and the red apologists who went far beyond trying the patience of the government and were hell bent on the violent destruction that went way beyond the limits of tolerance.

As was demonstrated during the recent Pitac " peaceful " protests they are more than capable of controlling protesters, long before confrontation got to the levels of 2010.

Then again as we all know in the first instance re Aphisit and Suthep it was for the benefit of one person in exile AKA leader, for whom they consistanly ( and openly ) admit to favouring and pledging allegiance to ect. ect.

In the latter it was for the benefit of his opposers, did not favour Thaksin and the police in this instance did not hesitate to enforce the law.

As and when Aphisit nd Suthep are charged, they must surely do likewise in all the other cases in previous disorder and extra judicial killings and charge all those ex officials and PMs and offices supposedly protecting the public, not least of all the those Thaksin personally oversaw and encouraged, even after knowing the muderous build up and still refusing to stop it from the tragic loss of lives as in the infamous EJK,s ect. ect.

marshbags

P.S.

May I suggest the government and it,s institutions of law show non bias in relation to what they have orchestrated re the charges ( on behalf of a fugitive from outside the country ) against Aphisit and Suthep and as to suppossedly why by immediately issuing an arrest warrant for Thaksin and the police act in a manner that compliments all Thai and lawful adminstration of their duties as and when they visit him.

The police wasn't in charge anymore after the CRES took over.

That the police did nothing and so that the CRES had to take is a false statement.

Not correct, the police were under CRES, and were not acting on orders before or after.

CRES would never have been needed if the Police had done their jobs.

Cart before the horse.

These false arguments don't serve any purpose besides sow disinformation

and muddy the waters of public perception.