Rally Outside Court Was Outrageous, Judge Says

[rubl]

Times aren't what they used to be. The little people are getting very brazen aren't they.

I particularly noticed the statement that because the judgement was in udon, it's not bangkoks problem.

If that doesn't say it all huh?

The judges here in Bangkok probably just wanted to point out that if some didn't think to original verdict of 20 years was correct, their first course of action would be to lodge an appeal at the appropriate court, not just the one passing while driving a body to it's last burning place.

[ozziebloke]

I'm not into the politics of Thailand 100% but i think geriatrickid,has annoyed a few nerves of the farang yellow shirt supporters ?

[Crushdepth]

So civilised and law respecting, democracy loving, peaceful, wonderful, enlightened souls; why can't everyone see how virutous and 100% right about everything they are? Oh the injustice!

Ahh, so you are opposed to dissent and freedom of expression?

There is nothing in the report that states that the mourners were either uncivilised, or in violation of the law.

The mourners came to the courthouse to express their concern about the death of the person. No one was assaulted, and no laws broken, correct?

The Judge was annoyed because he felt the protest should have been in Udon Thani and not Bangkok.

The death does illustrate one important point: Thailand's prison inmates do not have access to basic medical care. Some of you might say, let them rot. However, in a civilised society we do not deny basic medical care to people even if an inmate serving a short sentence. A man that has symptoms of angina and circulatory disease would have been easily diagnosed at the "weekly" medical inspection, if there was actually an actual medical inspection.

Since when do you give a rats about people in prison, hypocrite? You were perfectly happy with the bullet through the head solution of the "war on drugs".

[rubl]

I'm not into the politics of Thailand 100% but i think geriatrickid,has annoyed a few nerves of the farang yellow shirt supporters ?

Not at all, old chap, not at all. He just stimulated some posters into writing their own opinion rather then only have the gKid's one.

BTW when last did anyone in the Land of Oz drive past a court, stopping there for a moment? I would have thought a stop at the pub would be more according to local customs?

[scorecard]

It boggles the mind that GK can consider dragging a corpse around and using it as a prop for a ignorant demonstration is civilized.

And before any one says any thing Yes it is there right.

It is no less civilized than the western practice of the public viewing of a corpse. There are many Europeans that think nothing of embalming a corpse, slathering it with perfume and makeup and putting it on display.

It is no less civilized that the Roman Catholic church worshipping before various relics, such as the bones of "saints". And what of the Christian pursuit of the Holy Prepuce? Today, is December 31, the Festival of Jesus' Circumcision. What are you planning for this holy day? Will you be celebrating? It was a big event in the eastern orthodox faith, although I think our Russian friends in Thailand are giving it a pass.

And you have the temerity to attack disenfranchised powerless impoverished Thais for venting their frustration with the Thai justice system?

How can you say they are disenfranchised, many red supporters will claim that the paymaster gave power to the poor by telling them their vote (for the paymaster) would make them all rich in six months, and give them strong power, and more.

Or are you, g'kid, admitting that their 'power' is really a sham?

It could also be argued that it would be a wise step in the right directon to tell the red folks to respect the law and the processes of the law, because this is arguably (along with freedom of speech, and free and fair elections) the most important pillar of building and protecting democracy. Have we seen discussion or any action whatever on this by the current PM, or the puppet master, or the Justice Minister, or Jatuporn etc., or Madam Thida, on this matter? No, nothing whatever, not one word.

But then again this wouldn't sound very credible when you've tried to sway (corrupt) the courts with a lunch box filled with 5 million Baht cash.

Fair and equal justice for all Thais regardless of whether they are rich or poor / no double standards was one of the paymasters / red leaders elections slogans. If it was instituted it would certainly make a massive reduction in the degree of disenfranchisement.

Have we seen discussion or any action whatever by the current PM, or the puppet master, or the Justice Minister, or jatuporn, etc., or Madam Thida on this matter? No, nothing whatever, not one word.

Edited December 31, 2012 by scorecard

[ozziebloke]

I'm not into the politics of Thailand 100% but i think geriatrickid,has annoyed a few nerves of the farang yellow shirt supporters ?

Not at all, old chap, not at all. He just stimulated some posters into writing their own opinion rather then only have the gKid's one.

BTW when last did anyone in the Land of Oz drive past a court, stopping there for a moment? I would have thought a stop at the pub would be more according to local customs?

And from experiance you make this comment or are you pidgeonholing Aussies?

[rubl]

I'm not into the politics of Thailand 100% but i think geriatrickid,has annoyed a few nerves of the farang yellow shirt supporters ?

Not at all, old chap, not at all. He just stimulated some posters into writing their own opinion rather then only have the gKid's one.

BTW when last did anyone in the Land of Oz drive past a court, stopping there for a moment? I would have thought a stop at the pub would be more according to local customs?

And from experiance you make this comment or are you pidgeonholing Aussies?

Many years ago I spent three months in Adelaide on a project. We never dealt with bodies as such, but a stop for lunchtime might make us feel like one afterwards. Still have fond memories of that time, especially of the beer and wine

[scorecard]

I'm not into the politics of Thailand 100% but i think geriatrickid,has annoyed a few nerves of the farang yellow shirt supporters ?

You seem to be making a blanket assumption that folks who are opposed to the red circus are therefore yellow shirt supporters.

Not true, many folks who criticize the red circus would readily agree that the poor in this wonderful country are very downtrodden, the gap in income and education and more is outrageous and deserately needs fixing, but many of these same folks see the red circus as a sham with no real desire and no focused or structured dialogue or action whatever to gain any prorgress towards solid change.

In fact many die hard yellow people would agree.

Edited December 31, 2012 by scorecard

[ozziebloke]

I'm not into the politics of Thailand 100% but i think geriatrickid,has annoyed a few nerves of the farang yellow shirt supporters ?

You seem to be making a blanket assumption that folks who are opposed to the red circus are therefore yellow shirt supporters.

Not true, many folks who criticize the red circus would readily agree that the poor in this wonderful country are very downtrodden, the gap in income and education and more is outrageous and deserately needs fixing, but many of these same folks see the red circus as a sham with no real desire and no focused or structured dialogue or action whatever to gain any prorgress towards solid change.

In fact many die hard yellow people would agree.

Ok funny statement and your allegiance is to what party? Or should I say your bias is to what party ?

[rubl]

I'm not into the politics of Thailand 100% but i think geriatrickid,has annoyed a few nerves of the farang yellow shirt supporters ?

You seem to be making a blanket assumption that folks who are opposed to the red circus are therefore yellow shirt supporters.

Not true, many folks who criticize the red circus would readily agree that the poor in this wonderful country are very downtrodden, the gap in income and education and more is outrageous and deserately needs fixing, but many of these same folks see the red circus as a sham with no real desire and no focused or structured dialogue or action whatever to gain any prorgress towards solid change.

In fact many die hard yellow people would agree.

Ok funny statement and your allegiance is to what party? Or should I say your bias is to what party ?

My excuses for interfering, but this topic is not on parties, assuming your refer to political parties. The topic is on 'bonfire' parties only

[scorecard]

I'm not into the politics of Thailand 100% but i think geriatrickid,has annoyed a few nerves of the farang yellow shirt supporters ?

You seem to be making a blanket assumption that folks who are opposed to the red circus are therefore yellow shirt supporters.

Not true, many folks who criticize the red circus would readily agree that the poor in this wonderful country are very downtrodden, the gap in income and education and more is outrageous and deserately needs fixing, but many of these same folks see the red circus as a sham with no real desire and no focused or structured dialogue or action whatever to gain any prorgress towards solid change.

In fact many die hard yellow people would agree.

Ok funny statement and your allegiance is to what party? Or should I say your bias is to what party ?

Dear ozziebloke, my comment was not intended to be funny, not at all, it is a serious comment, suggest you read it again.

By the way, can you share how / when the red circus has done / said anything structured which would really improve the lot of the poor and take them closer (real change) to gain a good quality of life through their own productivity?

Edited December 31, 2012 by scorecard

[ozziebloke]

I'm not into the politics of Thailand 100% but i think geriatrickid,has annoyed a few nerves of the farang yellow shirt supporters ?

You seem to be making a blanket assumption that folks who are opposed to the red circus are therefore yellow shirt supporters.

Not true, many folks who criticize the red circus would readily agree that the poor in this wonderful country are very downtrodden, the gap in income and education and more is outrageous and deserately needs fixing, but many of these same folks see the red circus as a sham with no real desire and no focused or structured dialogue or action whatever to gain any prorgress towards solid change.

In fact many die hard yellow people would agree.

Ok funny statement and your allegiance is to what party? Or should I say your bias is to what party ?

My excuses for interfering, but this topic is not on parties, assuming your refer to political parties. The topic is on 'bonfire' parties only

And?

[waza]

I'm not into the politics of Thailand 100% but i think geriatrickid,has annoyed a few nerves of the farang yellow shirt supporters ?

Not at all, old chap, not at all. He just stimulated some posters into writing their own opinion rather then only have the gKid's one.

BTW when last did anyone in the Land of Oz drive past a court, stopping there for a moment? I would have thought a stop at the pub would be more according to local customs?

And from experiance you make this comment or are you pidgeonholing Aussies?

Many years ago I spent three months in Adelaide on a project. We never dealt with bodies as such, but a stop for lunchtime might make us feel like one afterwards. Still have fond memories of that time, especially of the beer and wine

Adelaide has the best beer and wine in australia, but thats about all Adelaide has lol

Edited December 31, 2012 by waza

[scorecard]

I'm not into the politics of Thailand 100% but i think geriatrickid,has annoyed a few nerves of the farang yellow shirt supporters ?

You seem to be making a blanket assumption that folks who are opposed to the red circus are therefore yellow shirt supporters.

Not true, many folks who criticize the red circus would readily agree that the poor in this wonderful country are very downtrodden, the gap in income and education and more is outrageous and deserately needs fixing, but many of these same folks see the red circus as a sham with no real desire and no focused or structured dialogue or action whatever to gain any prorgress towards solid change.

In fact many die hard yellow people would agree.

Ok funny statement and your allegiance is to what party? Or should I say your bias is to what party ?

My excuses for interfering, but this topic is not on parties, assuming your refer to political parties. The topic is on 'bonfire' parties only

I guess my dutch uncle is already well into the spirit of new years eve!

Edited December 31, 2012 by scorecard

[Naphatk]

I thought the Nation headline was a but misleading - the word the judge used "// Thai script removed //" doesn't really translate to 'outrageous'; it would be more akin to 'jumping the shark' or overreacting. Overall he sounded more conciliatory and said he 'understood' the protesters' grief.

Edited January 2, 2013 by metisdead

[Jawnie]

These comments by a judge and the fact that a judge commented at all about this just shows how mickey mouse and backward the Thai justice system is. Who cares if a few whackos protest in front of a court....especially a judge - why in the world would he give two cents about it?

There was a big commotion of few weeks ago about PM YL who was thought to have been "too flirtatious" with President Obama and that it "harmed the country." But stupid sh*t comments like this from judges is hugely more harmful to Thailand's international reputation. Chalk up another one for third-world, back water governance!

[Buchholz]

These comments by a judge and the fact that a judge commented at all about this just shows how mickey mouse and backward the Thai justice system is. Who cares if a few whackos protest in front of a court....especially a judge - why in the world would he give two cents about it?

There was a big commotion of few weeks ago about PM YL who was thought to have been "too flirtatious" with President Obama and that it "harmed the country." But stupid sh*t comments like this from judges is hugely more harmful to Thailand's international reputation. Chalk up another one for third-world, back water governance!

Given what was actually said according to the post above yours and in consideration of what the courts have had to contend with repeated efforts by Red Shirts to intimidate them.... it is a suprisingly mild reaction from the judge. It's not the judges that are contributing to Thailand's third world status nearly so much as it is the continual actions of the Red Shirts, when viewed by the outside world, eg. sloshing HIV+ blood around town, arson attacks on municipal buildings, raiding hospitals, threatening judges' families, and the latest with carrying corpses about town.

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Edited December 31, 2012 by Buchholz

[hellodolly]

I'm still wondering when someone from the red-leaning side of the fence will step forward, to condemn what appears to be an attempt to intimidate or influence the courts/judiciary, as being misguided or wrong ?

In this case the judge appears to have acted in a restrained & understanding manner ... good for him !

+1

[hellodolly]

It boggles the mind that GK can consider dragging a corpse around and using it as a prop for a ignorant demonstration is civilized.

And before any one says any thing Yes it is there right.

It is no less civilized than the western practice of the public viewing of a corpse. There are many Europeans that think nothing of embalming a corpse, slathering it with perfume and makeup and putting it on display.

It is no less civilized that the Roman Catholic church worshipping before various relics, such as the bones of "saints". And what of the Christian pursuit of the Holy Prepuce? Today, is December 31, the Festival of Jesus' Circumcision. What are you planning for this holy day? Will you be celebrating? It was a big event in the eastern orthodox faith, although I think our Russian friends in Thailand are giving it a pass.

And you have the temerity to attack disenfranchised powerless impoverished Thais for venting their frustration with the Thai justice system?

Why is the red shirts venting on the Thai Justice System? The Justice System is concentrating on idiot claims made by disenfranchised red shirts against the Dem's. They feel Thaksin has given them a dirty deal first he didn't pay them all he said he would in there little camp out in Down town Bangkok in 2010 then he said they would all be rich in six months. Do you feel that is why they feel disenfranchised.

Are you trying to say they don't want double standards by the Justice System it should try Thaksin for 1,500 murders under the erroneous guise that they were drug dealers. As if that would have made it right if they had been drug dealers. In fact charge him with over 2,500 murders.

Let's see you blame that on the Catholic Church.

And for all your dribble about the showing of bodies and religious belief's you dod moot even come close to draging thwem around in public and displayi9ng them to any one wether the people want to see them or not.

You have a very convenient understanding of civilized depends on wether it suits your bias.

[hellodolly]

These comments by a judge and the fact that a judge commented at all about this just shows how mickey mouse and backward the Thai justice system is. Who cares if a few whackos protest in front of a court....especially a judge - why in the world would he give two cents about it?

There was a big commotion of few weeks ago about PM YL who was thought to have been "too flirtatious" with President Obama and that it "harmed the country." But stupid sh*t comments like this from judges is hugely more harmful to Thailand's international reputation. Chalk up another one for third-world, back water governance!

I presume you are right up there with GK on it's OK to use a body to get attention for your whinging.

I noticed you conveniently forgot to mention that little detail,

[hellodolly]

They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site.

No. They went after the army snipers that violated the agreement not to station personnel in the hospital.

The snipers managed to hide and evade detection from the one incident during the Bangkok troubles.

You are really getting desperate now.

[Naphatk]

They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site.

No. They went after the army snipers that violated the agreement not to station personnel in the hospital.

The snipers managed to hide and evade detection from the one incident during the Bangkok troubles.

You are really getting desperate now.

Reminds me of this article here:

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/05/03/thongchai-winichakul-on-the-red-germs/

If we put aside the extreme views (such as the accusation of a staged chaos by the hospital, or the alleged armed invasion), the contending accounts from both sides can be both correct. That is, the hospital personnel were extremely frightened. They were afraid of the Reds, and had to work with fear that bullets could fly into the hospital, and so on. Either rumors or truth, or exaggeration of facts, they reacted by moving patients frantically. Their fear was real, even though the UDD did not storm the hospital with arms or with a huge number. Even if all the facts could be pieced together, we might not get to the gist of the incident because the root of fear is not in those facts.

[dickyknee]

They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site.

No. They went after the army snipers that violated the agreement not to station personnel in the hospital.

The snipers managed to hide and evade detection from the one incident during the Bangkok troubles.