Who Does The Full Moon Party Benefit ?

[Rooo]

As the title says, who are the real beneficiaries of the full moon parties. To me it seems like a concentrated minority , that gain from it , through sales of alcohol etc..... all revolving around that event.

Surely the island economy is not solely reliant on that income. The island offers a lot more , all spoilt & hindered by the reputation acquired from that event as being an out of control booze & drug fest.

To me , I have this perception of a noisy place , centered around parties , not a place to relax & enjoy the beauty of the island.

You can tell me yes it's great & I am sure it is, but that image I have does make a difference if I want to visit & I'm sure it will or has with a lot of people in making a decision to visit.

[islandguy]

The casually dressed man sitting under a tree I observed collecting a voucher at the edge of Tong Sala from the assistant on the song teaw I rode from Hadrin to Tong Sala must be happy with the parties. He had a whole clipboard filled with such vouchers.

[angiud]

The Full Moon Party is way more organized, controlled and less dangerous respect to 10, or also 5 years ago.

Killing and other kind of accidents sadly happen many times during the 25 or more years of the FMP existence.

The problem is the complete ineptitude of most of the police force, busy with different kind of activities; the testosterone flows massively; local and neighbor towns young Thais often supercharged by meth and usually with poor resistance for alcohol; the attitude of some kind of tourists that love to fight when drunk; the kind of problems connected with a happening of 20, 30, and sometimes 50.000 people where sh. sometimes happens, despite any form of controls and prevention.

Who get benefit of the existence of the FMP? Most of the tourist operators of the island. From the small countryman that for a couple of days sell booze or paint fluo on the bodies until the Best Western hotel full booked for 5/7 days. With all the kind of business in the middle, enclosed myself.

To be clear, I dream of an island without parties, with a lot of trails in the beautiful mountains, a National Park really working, a stop to the overbuilding (a real flood of concrete), a better valorisation of the beautiful beaches, underwater, and natures KPG is so lucky to have. Where you can do detox, yoga, diving, excursions, meditation, etc (as happen already in a good part of the island). But I'm not Thai nor an administrator, so...

[stiggy]

Get rid of the full moon party and there is still

Halfmoon

quater moon

dark moon

Shiva moon

Etc etc

Place is over run with Ibiza and "event organiser" wannabe's renting land and staging there own events.

Tao just had a 3 day trance festival to 50 people at most but continuos noise for 3 days.

[Rooo]

Get rid of the full moon party and there is still

Halfmoon

quater moon

dark moon

Shiva moon

Etc etc

Place is over run with Ibiza and "event organiser" wannabe's renting land and staging there own events.

Tao just had a 3 day trance festival to 50 people at most but continuos noise for 3 days.

That's what I mean, rape & pillage mentality.

[smokie36]

Haad Rin is a small part of the island though.

There are some places of outstanding natural beauty where you can relax and enjoy yourself.

I'm happy for the pissheads and idiots to be confined to their small rathole in the corner of the island.

[DannyApneaMartens]

Get rid of the full moon party and there is still

Halfmoon

quater moon

dark moon

Shiva moon

Etc etc

Place is over run with Ibiza and "event organiser" wannabe's renting land and staging there own events.

Tao just had a 3 day trance festival to 50 people at most but continuos noise for 3 days.

Dude, inform yourself before you write something. What you just wrote here makes very little to no sense... Quater moon??? what's that? A party in your mind?

The party on Koh Tao had quite a few more visitors than 50, so occupy yourself by making sense instead of just bringing an irrelevant rant.

First of all, what makes the difference knowing who gets money from the parties?

I think it is none of our business, and if we know, does it improve your life?

Do you know there are parties happening around the island who donate to the local schools, animal care and help some homeless people to make money?

Probably not, otherwise you would not have written this funny reply in this thread.

It's true that Had Rin is quite dangerous when the Fullmoon Party is going on, does it mean the Full Moon has to be banned? NO!

Instead of banning something, maybe make sure the corrupt police stops bugging people for the wrong things, but instead let them take care of the people, assure security on that beach during the party by checking that NOBODY can carry any weapons or drugs inside.

Where is the security who stops fights?

Where is the First Aid stands?

Why are there numerous of accidents, not only because of driving under influence, the road to Hadrin is a widow maker.

How come these speedbumps got removed from Hadrin some time ago?

How come the road through Ban Tai and many other places on this island allow people to speed up to sick top speeds on bikes and cars not designed for it?

The other parties around the island, and the list is long, try to organize their events as good as possible, taking care of their visitors and try to respect the rules as much as possible.

There are some exceptions, I'm not naming any, but most organizers do take care.

Then, saying you dream of an island without parties, it's sweet, but why did you come to a place that's known for it's parties to complain about it when you choose to be living in the middle of it? Just saying...

And still, there is plenty of nice, quiet areas where you can do yoga, read books, relax and so on.

It's like saying you lova Pattaya, but the prostitues have to go or living in Koh Tao and say you hate the dive schools. Good luck on that one.

Again bring SOLUTIONS, not personal gut feelings.

So please, stop the rant and childish nonsense about the parties, specially for those who know nothing about what's going on here and instead open a constructive debate on what ALL parties involved can do to make the Fullmoon a safer event that brings a more positive look onto the island and less sad stories like we have had on the last two events for example.

[gl555]

How about the people who go there and actually enjoy the party?

[Rooo]

Get rid of the full moon party and there is still

Halfmoon

quater moon

dark moon

Shiva moon

Etc etc

Place is over run with Ibiza and "event organiser" wannabe's renting land and staging there own events.

Tao just had a 3 day trance festival to 50 people at most but continuos noise for 3 days.

Dude, inform yourself before you write something. What you just wrote here makes very little to no sense... Quater moon??? what's that? A party in your mind?

The party on Koh Tao had quite a few more visitors than 50, so occupy yourself by making sense instead of just bringing an irrelevant rant.

First of all, what makes the difference knowing who gets money from the parties?

I think it is none of our business, and if we know, does it improve your life?

Do you know there are parties happening around the island who donate to the local schools, animal care and help some homeless people to make money?

Probably not, otherwise you would not have written this funny reply in this thread.

It's true that Had Rin is quite dangerous when the Fullmoon Party is going on, does it mean the Full Moon has to be banned? NO!

Instead of banning something, maybe make sure the corrupt police stops bugging people for the wrong things, but instead let them take care of the people, assure security on that beach during the party by checking that NOBODY can carry any weapons or drugs inside.

Where is the security who stops fights?

Where is the First Aid stands?

Why are there numerous of accidents, not only because of driving under influence, the road to Hadrin is a widow maker.

How come these speedbumps got removed from Hadrin some time ago?

How come the road through Ban Tai and many other places on this island allow people to speed up to sick top speeds on bikes and cars not designed for it?

The other parties around the island, and the list is long, try to organize their events as good as possible, taking care of their visitors and try to respect the rules as much as possible.

There are some exceptions, I'm not naming any, but most organizers do take care.

Then, saying you dream of an island without parties, it's sweet, but why did you come to a place that's known for it's parties to complain about it when you choose to be living in the middle of it? Just saying...

And still, there is plenty of nice, quiet areas where you can do yoga, read books, relax and so on.

It's like saying you lova Pattaya, but the prostitues have to go or living in Koh Tao and say you hate the dive schools. Good luck on that one.

Again bring SOLUTIONS, not personal gut feelings.

So please, stop the rant and childish nonsense about the parties, specially for those who know nothing about what's going on here and instead open a constructive debate on what ALL parties involved can do to make the Fullmoon a safer event that brings a more positive look onto the island and less sad stories like we have had on the last two events for example.

With all due respect, you are having the rant now. The question was about the full Moon Party in particular & it's negative impact on the island's in it's present format.

My question was WHO benefits from it, perhaps they contribute , but so would other businesses on the island if not tainted by the FMP's atrocious reputation & it's rob off effect on other island businesses..

What Stiggy was talking about was the other entrepreneurial types just in it for the quick buck.No one said they had to be stopped.

[angsta]

The guest house and hotel owners in Haad Rin who know that even in low season they will have one very busy week per month.

Anyone who sells food and beer in Haad Rin will see a big spike once a month.

The taxi mafia.

The police who benefit from naive 'Big mama' era backpackers who still think it's 1998 and that it's safe to smoke and buy weed on the beach or those fresh of the boat (literally) who end up contributing to the police retirement fund.

The boat and speedboat operators.

To a lesser extent the other beaches/areas such as Ban Thai also benefit with the over-spill but Haad Rin is the main beneficiary. Even Samui and Tao will feel the effects and an increase in tourist numbers.

[Greer]

The Full Moon Party is way ................

To be clear, I dream of an island without parties, with a lot of trails in the beautiful mountains, a National Park really working, a stop to the overbuilding (a real flood of concrete), a better valorisation of the beautiful beaches, underwater, and natures KPG is so lucky to have. Where you can do detox, yoga, diving, excursions, meditation, etc (as happen already in a good part of the island). But I'm not Thai nor an administrator, so...

Seriously speaking, and I am not trying to be nasty in any way - do yourself a favour and get a flight down to Australia's northern states - Queensland or maybe even the northern parts of Western Australia. There are some nice areas in northern NSW too - lovely clean and empty beaches, island nature reserves and beautiful national parks.

Australia is a bit of an expensive place to live, but I can guarantee that you will find some wonderful sites (and sights). Might be best to wait a little while until the hottest part of the year (and the bushfires) are over though...

I love Thailand, which I have adopted as my home for the last 20 years, but being an Australian, and having travelled around the place quite a bit, I can honestly recommend it as a place to see - just maybe not the place to live.

[stiggy]

Ha me ranting

Inform myself ok ill inform you, quarter moon (my Typo) a phase between full and half moon.

I actually lived on KPG for just under 3 years late 90s, got fed up with the plastic hippies and the parties.

As for Tao my home for last 10 years and the party. With my own eyes I saw no more than 50 granted it was daytime,Last year wasn't much better. But still I can count and my estimation was less than 50.

As for your charitable donations etc please do inform us. Who ? where ? how much ? I would love to know. As when I used to volunteer for several evac companies as a medic I never saw any of this going on.In fact all I ever saw was idiots that cant handle there drink or drugs, and people rubbing there hands with glee at the money they are making.

So informed enough ?Do I count toward someone who knows a bit about whats going on, in your mighty opinion?Please show me where in my reply, I stated they should be stopped.

My point was IF the FMP was stopped there would still be others trying to do the same. Muppets that rant without thinking or reading for example.

Edited January 8, 2013 by stiggy

[angsta]

Hang on, they had a trance festival on Ko Tao? Who's XXXXXXX stupid idea was that? Awful.

Edited January 8, 2013 by Rooo
profanity deleted.

[stiggy]

Just for further clarification about the Moon phases, and the opportunities that exist for the wannabe "event organisors"

[angiud]

To finish this childish dispute I list the parties in KPG

Full Moon Party

Black Moon Party

Half Moon Party

Jungle Experience

Shiva Moon (?)

Sramanora waterfall party

plus a few very small parties from some beach bar.

Forgot something?

[angsta]

Sramanora waterfall party

Ali wah?

<deleted> is a Sramanora waterfall party when it's at home??

[Rooo]

Sramanora waterfall party

Ali wah?

<deleted> is a Sramanora waterfall party when it's at home??

I suppose you dance naked under a waterfall, water permitting.

[angsta]

Sramanora waterfall party

Ali wah?

<deleted> is a Sramanora waterfall party when it's at home??

I suppose you dance naked under a waterfall, water permitting.

555 so never in the dry season...sounds like a fun party. The waterfall up the crappy road from Ban Thai I presume past the Temple and not the one on the way to Chalouklam?

[stiggy]

Childish dispute ?

Please lighten up

[angiud]

Funny how nobody complain about lady bar or similar but a lot of people raises an eyebrow or more when (mostly) young people want to party.

I recognize in my far past I've been in several parties, mostly back in Europe, but what against a trance party in some beautiful location, eg Koh Tao, or Gili Trawangan?

Could be just a question of age?

[angsta]

Lady bars, they have lady bars on the gili islands now? Wow, things have taken a turn for the worst.

Well it's because they are beautiful islands. And they are both pretty small with limited infrastructures. who cleans up after these things? Nobody. Look at that island off Sihanoukville where they do/did the same thing, in 2 years it was disgusting. Plastic all over the beach, in the water. Just dirty, ruined. I assume there are still beautiful coral reefs off the gilis? They look much nicer clean and without some comatose Israeli littering the beach off his head on mushrooms listening to yabba at 9.00am.

That's just me.

[MrRealDeal]

It has a much wider range of people who are helped than you seem to realise .......

The Airlines who transport them

The taxi drivers who transport them

The hotels they stay at

The small shops they might buy cigs and other items at

The tours or other trips they may take after the party is over

The factory workers who make the party items they consume

The people who are employed such as Dj's , security , clean up , face painters , ect.

Now if your argument is that a small number of people are reaping the MOST benefit I would say that not especially different than anyplace else in Thailand or the rest of the World in pretty much any circumstance.

But the people who probabbly benefit the most are the people who have the time of their life enjoying the party and go away unharmed and have a story and experience to tell their friends and have for the rest of their lives.

Does it have a certian amount of negetive impact as well ? Of course ....... But evedently the people who are incharge of the Island feel that the negetive impact is smaller than the positive impact and they are also probabbly correct as well.

Edited January 8, 2013 by MrRealDeal

[angsta]

It has a much wider range of people who are helped than you seem to realise .......

The Airlines who transport them

The taxi drivers who transport them

The hotels they stay at

The small shops they might buy cigs and other items at

The tours or other trips they may take after the party is over

The factory workers who make the party items they consume

The people who are employed such as Dj's , security , clean up , face painters , ect.

Now if your argument is that a small number of people are reaping the MOST benefit I would say that not especially different than anyplace else in Thailand or the rest of the World in pretty much any circumstance.

But the people who probabbly benefit the most are the people who have the time of their life enjoying the party and go away unharmed and have a story and experience to tell their friends and have for the rest of their lives.

Does it have a certian amount of negetive impact as well ? Of course ....... But evedently the people who are incharge of the Island feel that the negetive impact is smaller than the positive impact and they are also probabbly correct as well.

Ahhh a 'sphere of influence' question, I knew my geography degree wouldn't be wasted. So what we need to do is put together a 5-10 minute questionnaire and hit all the parties and ask questions such as 'where are you staying?' and 'how did you travel to the party?'. Maybe the Thai government will sponsor me to do a thesis and Phd?? Or possibly not.

[stiggy]

One thing for sure, those of us with serious business interests based on tourism feel the effects of negative publicity.

Negative publicity brought about by the events caused by stupidity and greed. Such as the uk press picking up on the latest shooting.

10 years plus ago the Fmp was a mainstay attraction down here, vital even I'd say to a large number of businesses.. However things move on Kpg now has upmarket resorts an infrastructure of sorts same as Tao and Samui. Just look at the transport links now several ferry companies airports at chumporn - Surat - Samui.

Personally I feel Fmp has run its course, it's no longer vital.To a point it now does overall more harm than good.

Also consider that the real party scene is no longer seeing Fmp as anything special, to commercial etc etc.Sure there's a few old has beens hanging on, and some new wide eyed kid saying wow best thing ever. But IMO Fmp is now mostly gap year kids with a to do list getting pissed and extorted at every corner.

Still each to there own, and as for the age thing anguid believe me I have had it large so to speak several times this last year.Not a dayglo painted teenager, corrupt police man or plastic hippy in sight.Just as the Fmp used to be in the 90s

Edited January 8, 2013 by stiggy

[wasas]

Sramanora waterfall party

Ali wah?

<deleted> is a Sramanora waterfall party when it's at home??

I suppose you dance naked under a waterfall, water permitting.

Sounds like, your itching for an invite Rooo?

[BangrakBob]

Get rid of the full moon party and there is still

Halfmoon

quater moon

dark moon

Shiva moon

Etc etc

Place is over run with Ibiza and "event organiser" wannabe's renting land and staging there own events.

Tao just had a 3 day trance festival to 50 people at most but continuos noise for 3 days.

Dude, inform yourself before you write something. What you just wrote here makes very little to no sense... Quater moon??? what's that? A party in your mind?

The party on Koh Tao had quite a few more visitors than 50, so occupy yourself by making sense instead of just bringing an irrelevant rant.

First of all, what makes the difference knowing who gets money from the parties?

I think it is none of our business, and if we know, does it improve your life?

Do you know there are parties happening around the island who donate to the local schools, animal care and help some homeless people to make money?

Probably not, otherwise you would not have written this funny reply in this thread.

It's true that Had Rin is quite dangerous when the Fullmoon Party is going on, does it mean the Full Moon has to be banned? NO!

Instead of banning something, maybe make sure the corrupt police stops bugging people for the wrong things, but instead let them take care of the people, assure security on that beach during the party by checking that NOBODY can carry any weapons or drugs inside.

Where is the security who stops fights?

Where is the First Aid stands?

Why are there numerous of accidents, not only because of driving under influence, the road to Hadrin is a widow maker.

How come these speedbumps got removed from Hadrin some time ago?

How come the road through Ban Tai and many other places on this island allow people to speed up to sick top speeds on bikes and cars not designed for it?

The other parties around the island, and the list is long, try to organize their events as good as possible, taking care of their visitors and try to respect the rules as much as possible.

There are some exceptions, I'm not naming any, but most organizers do take care.

Then, saying you dream of an island without parties, it's sweet, but why did you come to a place that's known for it's parties to complain about it when you choose to be living in the middle of it? Just saying...

And still, there is plenty of nice, quiet areas where you can do yoga, read books, relax and so on.

It's like saying you lova Pattaya, but the prostitues have to go or living in Koh Tao and say you hate the dive schools. Good luck on that one.

Again bring SOLUTIONS, not personal gut feelings.

So please, stop the rant and childish nonsense about the parties, specially for those who know nothing about what's going on here and instead open a constructive debate on what ALL parties involved can do to make the Fullmoon a safer event that brings a more positive look onto the island and less sad stories like we have had on the last two events for example.

bit too much haad rin sand in your speedos, chill those beans Winstaaan

[oldsailor35]

Get rid of the full moon party and there is still

Halfmoon

quater moon

dark moon

Shiva moon

Etc etc

Place is over run with Ibiza and "event organiser" wannabe's renting land and staging there own events.

Tao just had a 3 day trance festival to 50 people at most but continuos noise for 3 days.

Dude, inform yourself before you write something. What you just wrote here makes very little to no sense... Quater moon??? what's that? A party in your mind?

The party on Koh Tao had quite a few more visitors than 50, so occupy yourself by making sense instead of just bringing an irrelevant rant.

First of all, what makes the difference knowing who gets money from the parties?

I think it is none of our business, and if we know, does it improve your life?

Do you know there are parties happening around the island who donate to the local schools, animal care and help some homeless people to make money?

Probably not, otherwise you would not have written this funny reply in this thread.

It's true that Had Rin is quite dangerous when the Fullmoon Party is going on, does it mean the Full Moon has to be banned? NO!

Instead of banning something, maybe make sure the corrupt police stops bugging people for the wrong things, but instead let them take care of the people, assure security on that beach during the party by checking that NOBODY can carry any weapons or drugs inside.

Where is the security who stops fights?

Where is the First Aid stands?

Why are there numerous of accidents, not only because of driving under influence, the road to Hadrin is a widow maker.

How come these speedbumps got removed from Hadrin some time ago?

How come the road through Ban Tai and many other places on this island allow people to speed up to sick top speeds on bikes and cars not designed for it?

The other parties around the island, and the list is long, try to organize their events as good as possible, taking care of their visitors and try to respect the rules as much as possible.

There are some exceptions, I'm not naming any, but most organizers do take care.

Then, saying you dream of an island without parties, it's sweet, but why did you come to a place that's known for it's parties to complain about it when you choose to be living in the middle of it? Just saying...

And still, there is plenty of nice, quiet areas where you can do yoga, read books, relax and so on.

It's like saying you lova Pattaya, but the prostitues have to go or living in Koh Tao and say you hate the dive schools. Good luck on that one.

Again bring SOLUTIONS, not personal gut feelings.

So please, stop the rant and childish nonsense about the parties, specially for those who know nothing about what's going on here and instead open a constructive debate on what ALL parties involved can do to make the Fullmoon a safer event that brings a more positive look onto the island and less sad stories like we have had on the last two events for example.

Really! anybody with "half a brain" would read that to be QUARTER Moon. But it looks as though, sadly you don't have that half needed................DUDE !

[BigC]

the hotels that surround the island such as Samui and Koh Tao.

which effects bike rentals and money changers as people come to this part of thailand people come towards around the full moon party.

Most of us expats probably dont care much about it but allot of smaller business do bounce of this party. looking at the numbers of people coming off the boat all need taxis. allot need a plan at some point or a bus. or if they decide to stay in samui or come back to samui then the hotels and money changers benifit all the way to the massage palors. Well everything. the more tourists that come to a business island based on toursime makes better business.

i am not down with the weapons free zone in Phangyan

[khunPer]

Isn't it a bit like buying or renting a house next to an airport runway and then start complaining about the noise and questioning whom the airport may benefit.

The FullMoon party has been at Had Rhin longer than most other things on Koh Phangan. If you don't like parties and noise, stay somewhere else than the party area – even at Koh Phangan there are plenty of beautifull paradise beaches at other parts of the island. And be happy, that all the young party-folks goes to Had Rhin and not "your" beach. Turnover from some 10.000+ party guests do benefit the local people.

By the way, Had Rhin beach is very nice and not crowded the other some 25 days of the month.

Edited January 13, 2013 by khunPer

[hopdafru]

FMP might actually benefit those who like a less developped island as most non party goers stay away and instead go to Kho Thao / Samui... Haven't been to KPG in a couple years but went a few times and just stayed away from Had Rin, had a great time!

By the way has it developed much in the past 2 years? I heard about an airport project and some new hotels... How's life in Chakoklum these days? (sorry if name/spelling not right)

Sokhdee :-)