THAI-KHMER RELATIONS

Hun Sen asks Abhisit not to drag Cambodia into Thai politics

Agence Kampuchea Presse

Phnom Penh

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen on Monday asked the Democrat Party not to link Cambodia to Thailand's internal politics.

PHNOM PENH: -- "Thai politics have been heated up recently, and the message we want to send back [to Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva] is not to link Cambodia to the Thai internal issues," Hun Sen said at a ceremony to present land-title certificates to 1,298 families in Siem Bok district of Stung Treng province.

According to Hun Sen, the Democrat Party and the yellow shirt group continually link Cambodia to Thai internal politics by accusing former Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra of having secret individual interests with Cambodia over the two countries' negotiations of the area of overlapping maritime claims.

"They accused Thaksin Shinawatra of having tolerated the land border tension between Cambodia and Thailand, especially at Preah Vihear Temple area, in an exchange of oil and gas in the overlapping maritime area," said Hun Sen, who asked Abhisit to show the evidence.

"If you [Abhisit] cannot find the evidence, it means that you cheated over 60 million Thai people and over 14 million Cambodian people as well," he added.

Hun Sen said negotiations on the overlapping claims area had taken place when Abhisit led the government, including at a meeting between himself and former Thai deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban and former minister of defence Pravit Wongsuwan in June 2009 in Cambodia's Kandal province. He also cited behind-the-scenes discussions between Cambodian Deputy Prime Minister Sok An and Suthep in Hong Kong in August 2009, and in Kunming, China in July 2010.

-- The Nation 2013-01-23

Hun Sen is correct in stating this that Thais not involve Cambodia in the internal political bumbling and stumbling. Thais are always shifting blame and shirking responsibility for anything that they can't control and manipulate. Or rather they are also shifting blame and laying responsibility on the doorstep of other countries whenever it suits them. It's a "Thai thing" and everyone knows it, not only Hun Sen, but everyone, every country. No one takes Thais seriously.

Could a statement like that coming out of nowhere without any real justification point to the oppisite being true.

We all know Thaksin was an advisor to H S till he publicly quit the job, but then in private?

We all know Thaksin was an advisor to H S till he publicly quit the job, but then in private?

There is the crux of the matter.

There is some fear that joint ventures twixt two people and their families i.e. Hun Sen and his family and the Thaksin and his family might well founder if the if the outcome of the I.C.J. ruling is not to the liking of the two aforementioned despotic megalomaniacs.

Could a statement like that coming out of nowhere without any real justification point to the oppisite being true.

Temple

So Robby nz, you have missed the last oh, 2 years (or is it 7?) and the ongoing Prear ViharTemple dispute?? You have a lot of reading to catch up on this, make it so

Isn't Hun Sen getting his ex Thai PMs mixed up here?

His speech sounds like its being paid and prepared by someone Thai . I wonder who that could be

Isn't Hun Sen getting his ex Thai PMs mixed up here?

No.

Abhisit has one tired and failed argument using Nationalism as a way to beat the democratically elected government. Let it go son. How is he still leader of the opposition anyway?

Could a statement like that coming out of nowhere without any real justification point to the oppisite being true.

Temple

So Robby nz, you have missed the last oh, 2 years (or is it 7?) and the ongoing Prear ViharTemple dispute?? You have a lot of reading to catch up on this, make it so

You sir appear to have missed Thaksins several visits to Cambodia (well publicised) in the last two or three years.

Perhaps they were just social visits to see old friends, but then again?

You also have to take this news and its timing in the context of what is going on at present, the BKK elections.

Could it just be another way to try to discredit Khun A and the Dems?

Edited January 23, 201313 yr by Robby nz

Surely by even mentioning Thai politics, Hun Sen has politicised the issue. If he really wanted to show concern for Cambodia, he sould have said that Thailand should respect the ICJ verdict as Cambodia will! Instead he interfears in Thai politics.

It seems the puppet master has a Cambodian puppet as well!

Very appropriate photo there, Hun Sen during his friendly football match with Red Shirts. No sir, we don't want any meddling with internal politics, giving safe haven to wanted political criminals (Arisman for example) doesn't count apparently.

Could a statement like that coming out of nowhere without any real justification point to the oppisite being true.

Temple

So Robby nz, you have missed the last oh, 2 years (or is it 7?) and the ongoing Prear ViharTemple dispute?? You have a lot of reading to catch up on this, make it so

You sir appear to have missed Thaksins several visits to Cambodia (well publicised) in the last two or three years.

Perhaps they were just social visits to see old friends, but then again?

You also have to take this news and its timing in the context of what is going on at present, the BKK elections.

Could it just be another way to try to discredit Khun A and the Dems?

Correct. BTW, is that Hun Sen in the picture playing soccer with Red shirt leader Nathawut?

Correct. BTW, is that Hun Sen in the picture playing soccer with Red shirt leader Nathawut?

1,000 Thai red-shirts enter Cambodia to watch a Khmer-Thai soccer game...There were signs saying "Thaksin, We Miss You", "We Love Hun Sen" and "We Love Cambodia".

Red Shirts love Hun Sen, I guess because he embodies the pro-democracy, anti-coup spirit of the UDD.

Edited January 23, 201313 yr by AleG

Correct. BTW, is that Hun Sen in the picture playing soccer with Red shirt leader Nathawut?

1,000 Thai red-shirts enter Cambodia to watch a Khmer-Thai soccer game...There were signs saying "Thaksin, We Miss You", "We Love Hun Sen" and "We Love Cambodia".

Red Shirts love Hun Sen, I guess because he embodies the pro-democracy, anti-coup spirit of the UDD.

Wasnt there also a statement from PT sources that "Thailand needs to get closer to the Cambodian model of democracy"'?

A dictatorship.

No prizes for guesing who they had in mind for the dictator.

Very appropriate photo there, Hun Sen during his friendly football match with Red Shirts. No sir, we don't want any meddling with internal politics, giving safe haven to wanted political criminals (Arisman for example) doesn't count apparently.

But no one can dispute his prowess and astounding football abilities.

The fleet-footed Hun Sen scored FIVE goals in that match...

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/09/25/national/Cambodian-leader-Hun-Sen-scores-five-goals-in-vict-30166077.html

Edited January 23, 201313 yr by Buchholz

Please explain?

I wouldn't have thought explanation was necessary. Maybe it's just a coincidence that the phrase is so similar.

Well apart from the fact that explanation obviously is necessary. How many ways do you know of saying

"awaiting the evidence that Abhisit has proving Thaksin met with Insurgents in the South?" - Thaksin met with Southern Insurgents?

BANGKOK, April 8 – The opposition is ready to disclose information on alleged talks between ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra and southern insurgent leaders, said Opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said on Sunday.

His remarks came after the government told the opposition to reveal information regarding its claims that ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra held talks with insurgent leaders

http://www.mcot.net/site/content?id=4ff6750a0b01dabf3c042420

BTW, is that Hun Sen in the picture playing soccer with Red shirt leader Nathawut?

Yes, that's Deputy Commerce Minister and Red Shirt Leader Natthawut on the right playing with Hun Sen's team and... not that they were stacking the deck... but it's also Deputy Secretary-General to the Interior Minister and Red Shirt Leader Dokjik on the left playing on the "opposing" team.

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Very appropriate photo there, Hun Sen during his friendly football match with Red Shirts. No sir, we don't want any meddling with internal politics, giving safe haven to wanted political criminals (Arisman for example) doesn't count apparently.

But no one can dispute his prowess and astounding football abilities.

The fleet-footed Hun Sen scored FIVE goals in that match...

http://www.nationmul...t-30166077.html

The guy in the Blue shirt is telling Hun Sen where the ball is.

Next we'll hear that the little border flare-up just before the elections had nothing to do with Thai politics. What's a little collateral damage when power is at stake?

"If you [Abhisit] cannot find the evidence, it means that you cheated over 60 million Thai people and over 14 million Cambodian people as well," he added.

Speaking of cheating Cambodian people, the Cambodian workers who were surreptitiously fired earlier this month without warning and without compensation from the MFone company, the telecom division of conglomerate Cambodia Shinawatra (CamShin), are feeling cheated enough by owner Thaksin Shinawatra that they filed a complaint with Cambodia's Labor Ministry against Hun Sen's "eternal friend" and former Economic Adviser.

In regards to Hun Sen's protestations of linking Thaksin business dealings with Cambodia, it's noteworthy that Thaksin's MFone obtained a 35-year contract with Cambodia's Ministry of Telecommunications.

http://www.voacambod...nt/1579895.html

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Edited January 23, 201313 yr by Buchholz

So will Hun Sen also make that same request of his best buddy Thaksin? What an obvious biased statement.

So will Hun Sen also make that same request of his best buddy Thaksin? What an obvious biased statement.

Eternal friends don't do that to one another.

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Surely by even mentioning Thai politics, Hun Sen has politicised the issue. If he really wanted to show concern for Cambodia, he sould have said that Thailand should respect the ICJ verdict as Cambodia will! Instead he interfears in Thai politics.

It seems the puppet master has a Cambodian puppet as well!

Eternal friends are clearly forever !

Hun Sen is correct in stating this that Thais not involve Cambodia in the internal political bumbling and stumbling. Thais are always shifting blame and shirking responsibility for anything that they can't control and manipulate. Or rather they are also shifting blame and laying responsibility on the doorstep of other countries whenever it suits them. It's a "Thai thing" and everyone knows it, not only Hun Sen, but everyone, every country. No one takes Thais seriously.

This is not ALL THAIS, this is only yellow shirts, Dems, Abisith and their masters who are the problem in this country. Thais are charming and peaceful. Now, if Dems, Abisith and the yellow and their masters want the war, Hun Sen cannot avoid it. Yinluck will be obliged to fight against Cambodia. No one dare to tell to fight the masters of the yellow shirts.

Hun Sen is correct in stating this that Thais not involve Cambodia in the internal political bumbling and stumbling. Thais are always shifting blame and shirking responsibility for anything that they can't control and manipulate. Or rather they are also shifting blame and laying responsibility on the doorstep of other countries whenever it suits them. It's a "Thai thing" and everyone knows it, not only Hun Sen, but everyone, every country. No one takes Thais seriously.

This is not ALL THAIS, this is only yellow shirts, Dems, Abisith and their masters who are the problem in this country. Thais are charming and peaceful. Now, if Dems, Abisith and the yellow and their masters want the war, Hun Sen cannot avoid it. Yinluck will be obliged to fight against Cambodia. No one dare to tell to fight the masters of the yellow shirts.

I really like the obvious [sic] sarcasm in both posts

Correct. BTW, is that Hun Sen in the picture playing soccer with Red shirt leader Nathawut?

1,000 Thai red-shirts enter Cambodia to watch a Khmer-Thai soccer game...There were signs saying "Thaksin, We Miss You", "We Love Hun Sen" and "We Love Cambodia".

Red Shirts love Hun Sen, I guess because he embodies the pro-democracy, anti-coup spirit of the UDD.

Yep, and my yellow-shirt ex-girlfriend wanted all Cambodians to be wiped off the planet (I'm not making this stuff up ... and she was uni-educated middle class). I'll take the worldview you attribute to the Reds over this irrational hatred any day.

Isn't Hun Sen getting his ex Thai PMs mixed up here?

No.

Abhisit has one tired and failed argument using Nationalism as a way to beat the democratically elected government. Let it go son. How is he still leader of the opposition anyway?

Interesting to see such support for the views of Hun Sen, eliminator of political opponents and the rule of the monarchy and corrupt de facto dictator of Cambodia.

Curiously Abhisit and Hun Sen both faked their military papers although for somewhat different reasons...... the murderous Abhisit to teach soldiering and Hun Sen to get actively involved with Pol Pot's jolly band, the Khmer Rouge.

Edited January 23, 201313 yr by bigbamboo

Correct. BTW, is that Hun Sen in the picture playing soccer with Red shirt leader Nathawut?

1,000 Thai red-shirts enter Cambodia to watch a Khmer-Thai soccer game...There were signs saying "Thaksin, We Miss You", "We Love Hun Sen" and "We Love Cambodia".

Red Shirts love Hun Sen, I guess because he embodies the pro-democracy, anti-coup spirit of the UDD.

Yep, and my yellow-shirt ex-girlfriend wanted all Cambodians to be wiped off the planet (I'm not making this stuff up ... and she was uni-educated middle class). I'll take the worldview you attribute to the Reds over this irrational hatred any day.

Far be it from me to suggest you are making it up but your last sentence does suggest you don't know what you are talking about.

Red-shirt world view? What world is that - the Netherworld? Beyond Cambodia & Dubai they're sole claim to a world view was mentioning red shirts in Europe. Confusing Arsenal, Liverpool & Man U supporters (with political supporters) of which there are many in Thailand.

Also the reds have stated that they want to destroy Abhisit & the Dems & actually attacked & killed some yellow shirts - very 'rational'.

To the topic.

Hun Sen's interference in Thai politics should be answered by the Thai government. I'm not holding my breath given the leader's family's business interests in Cambodia. Any one who holds Hun Sen up as a democratic leader can only be a Thaksin supporter.

I'd appreciate it if Hun Sen returns the favor and stays out of Thai politics. It'd be nice if he refrained from repeat of 2011, when he launched artillery strikes against Thai villages and schools in the run up to the election to help his buddy Thaksin by splitting the yellow shirts from the Dems.

Could a statement like that coming out of nowhere without any real justification point to the oppisite being true.

Temple

So Robby nz, you have missed the last oh, 2 years (or is it 7?) and the ongoing Prear ViharTemple dispute?? You have a lot of reading to catch up on this, make it so

Just more smoke and mirrors to keep the riff raff occupied while the real business at hand comes to fruition.