webfact Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Rule of law commission pushes for amnesty bill Khanittha Thepphajorn The Nation BANGKOK: -- The Independent National Rule of Law Commission (NRLC) has called on MPs and Senators to table a bill in Parliament that pardons those involved in political rallies between September 19, 2006 to May 10, 2011. NRLC chairman Ukrit Mongkol-navin yesterday issued a statement saying that the six-Article bill aims to bring peace and unity back to the deeply divided Thai society. According to the bill's Article 3 the following actions undertaken during political rallies will not be considered as offences: _ Public statement or advertisement against the Constitution; _ Resisting arrest; _ Protests that lead to negative consequences to others or the assets of others. The Article 3 also says that those who committed these offences will not be convicted or made responsible in any way. However, the amnesty does not appear to include those who launched the rallies, were pulling the strings behind the scenes or those who enforced law to maintain peace. The bill's Article 4 stipulates that investigators and prosecutors drop cases against those deemed innocent according to Article 3. Deputy Senate Speaker Surachai Liengboonlerschai, however, suggested that the timeframe should start before September 19, 2006, because that was when the coup was staged and many rallies had been held before the coup. Opposition whip Jurin Laksana-wisit, meanwhile, advised Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra to be careful when deciding whether this amnesty law should be legislated. "I believe the country will be in a turmoil when this bill is passed into law," he warned. -- The Nation 2013-01-25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bigbamboo Posted January 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2013 Mr T says he's happy enough to run Thailand from Dubai and according to his kid sister everything is hunky dory now so why not leave things as they are. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post whybother Posted January 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2013 However, the amnesty does not appear to include those who launched the rallies, were pulling the strings behind the scenes or those who enforced law to maintain peace. Give amnesty to those who broke the law but not to those who enforced the law. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Locationthailand Posted January 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2013 Weighted in favour of? How ridiculous. Malicious damage, murder, etc. Sure, let them home free. Idiots. Why not concentrate on the corruption and start getting the country back on its feet. Money flows, jobs available and the gap will close between rich and poor, but not as long as politicians' motivation is to steal from the Thai people and only care about personal gain, not the plight of the people. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buchholz Posted January 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) The Independent National Rule of Law Commission (NRLC) The "independent" commission was appointed by Yingluck's Office of the Prime Minister and endorsed by Yingluck's Cabinet in September 2011 after she became premier. . Edited January 25, 2013 by Buchholz 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo6 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 However, the amnesty does not appear to include those who launched the rallies, were pulling the strings behind the scenes or those who enforced law to maintain peace. Give amnesty to those who broke the law but not to those who enforced the law. under the military junta. why the confusion? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buchholz Posted January 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) NRLC Chairman Ukrit Mongkol-navin yesterday issued a statement saying that the six-Article bill aims to bring peace and unity back to the deeply divided Thai society. NRLC Chairman Ukrit Mongkol-navin (left) with unidentified admirer. . Edited January 25, 2013 by Buchholz 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 However, the amnesty does not appear to include those who launched the rallies, were pulling the strings behind the scenes or those who enforced law to maintain peace. Give amnesty to those who broke the law but not to those who enforced the law. under the military junta. why the confusion? Why the confusion? Between 2006-09-19(start of coup) and 2011-05-10 (PM Abhisit dissolves House) we had - Junta of Coupleaders - Junta installed government with PM Surayut - Government under the late PM Samak - Government under PM Somchai - Government under PM Abhisit Protesters under amnesty, but not all others of course. General Sonthi still covered by article 309 of the 2007constitution, but k. Somchai and k. Abhisit still prosecutable of course 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLew Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I think they should investigate to see if there were any large transfers from some guy in dubuy to this groups members Seems in Thailand these groups come out of the woodwork like flies to <deleted> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickymaster Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Ok. So this is the next plan to try to clear Thaksin of his crimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 However, the amnesty does not appear to include those who launched the rallies, were pulling the strings behind the scenes or those who enforced law to maintain peace. Give amnesty to those who broke the law but not to those who enforced the law. under the military junta. why the confusion? You are the one that seems to be confused if you think that they are only talking about events "under the military junta". Last I checked, the military junta weren't in power from "September 19, 2006 to May 10, 2011". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Ok. So this is the next plan to try to clear Thaksin of his crimes. Probably article 3 this condition "Protests that lead to negative consequences to others or the assets of others" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MunterHunter Posted January 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2013 How about... No Amnesty for anyone, and everyone guilty of a crime pays the price? Doesn't matter if your the Current-PM, Ex-PM, Fugitive-Ex-PM-In-Exile, MP, VIP, Farmer, Teacher or Candle-stick maker... all are to be equal in the eyes of the law. Hows about that then? Sound fair to you? 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 The topic mentions a six-article bill, but only mentions (barely) two of the six article. Anyone with a pointer to all six articles of this bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellweather Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Mr T says he's happy enough to run Thailand from Dubai and according to his kid sister everything is hunky dory now so why not leave things as they are. One of the reasons given by the commission for supporting thebill is that it will promote "peace" ! Try telling that to the Yellow Shirts. Thai logic rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15Peter20 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 How about... No Amnesty for anyone, and everyone guilty of a crime pays the price? Doesn't matter if your the Current-PM, Ex-PM, Fugitive-Ex-PM-In-Exile, MP, VIP, Farmer, Teacher or Candle-stick maker... all are to be equal in the eyes of the law. Hows about that then? Sound fair to you? It sounds completely unrealistic and hardly worth mentioning, given the context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 However, the amnesty does not appear to include those who launched the rallies, were pulling the strings behind the scenes or those who enforced law to maintain peace. Give amnesty to those who broke the law but not to those who enforced the law. under the military junta. why the confusion? Why the confusion? Between 2006-09-19(start of coup) and 2011-05-10 (PM Abhisit dissolves House) we had - Junta of Coupleaders - Junta installed government with PM Surayut - Government under the late PM Samak - Government under PM Somchai - Government under PM Abhisit Protesters under amnesty, but not all others of course. General Sonthi still covered by article 309 of the 2007constitution, but k. Somchai and k. Abhisit still prosecutable of course But for Somchai they will without doubt create another backdoor, which leaves only Abhisit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggold Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 However, the amnesty does not appear to include those who launched the rallies, were pulling the strings behind the scenes or those who enforced law to maintain peace. Give amnesty to those who broke the law but not to those who enforced the law. Indeed just as long as the boss isn't implicated in any wrong doing. This is all turning into one big comedy, though it won't be funny when the trouble starts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggold Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 How about... No Amnesty for anyone, and everyone guilty of a crime pays the price?Doesn't matter if your the Current-PM, Ex-PM, Fugitive-Ex-PM-In-Exile, MP, VIP, Farmer, Teacher or Candle-stick maker... all are to be equal in the eyes of the law. Hows about that then? Sound fair to you? If only that were true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thai at Heart Posted January 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2013 Rule of Law Commission recommeneds ignoring the law? Surely some contradiction???? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcutman Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 The Independent National Rule of Law Commission (NRLC) The "independent" commission was appointed by Yingluck's Office of the Prime Minister and endorsed by Yingluck's Cabinet in September 2011 after she became premier. . Dictionary Home » Dictionary Definitions » independent commission independent commission An independent commission is a group free from outside or political control that works towards a specific goal for the country, state, etc. (noun) An example of an independent commission is a commission set up with representatives of both political parties to determine what can be done to uphold the rule of law. As stated many time's, Thailand's dictionary has a much different definitions than that of the rest of the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bigbamboo Posted January 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2013 How about... No Amnesty for anyone, and everyone guilty of a crime pays the price? Doesn't matter if your the Current-PM, Ex-PM, Fugitive-Ex-PM-In-Exile, MP, VIP, Farmer, Teacher or Candle-stick maker... all are to be equal in the eyes of the law. Hows about that then? Sound fair to you? It sounds fair but it doesn't sound very Thai. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post waza Posted January 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) The (not so) Independent National Rule of Law Commission (NRLC) yesterday issued a statement saying forget the "rule of law", we should give amnesty to the anarchists to show Thai society and the world that the "law of the jungle" applies in Thailand. Edited January 25, 2013 by waza 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Mr T says he's happy enough to run Thailand from Dubai and according to his kid sister everything is hunky dory now so why not leave things as they are. One of the reasons given by the commission for supporting thebill is that it will promote "peace" ! Try telling that to the Yellow Shirts. Thai logic rules Peace brother, whether you want it or not. We'll shove it down your throat if need be. 2012-04-08 "There is no need for the government to hold dialogue with people who still disagree with key elements of the national reconciliation plan as it has been endorsed by Parliament, Deputy Premier and Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit said." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Dialogue-would-be-a-waste-of-time-Yongyuth-says-30179571.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noistar Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Mr T says he's happy enough to run Thailand from Dubai and according to his kid sister everything is hunky dory now so why not leave things as they are. You are making the mistake of believing that what he says is the same as what he means. The idea is to prove that he is the Teflon man. He will return to HIS (I use the word advisedly) Thailand without a stain on his character. All his opponents will be tainted by the various tactics he is employing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noistar Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 The Independent National Rule of Law Commission (NRLC) The "independent" commission was appointed by Yingluck's Office of the Prime Minister and endorsed by Yingluck's Cabinet in September 2011 after she became premier. . Dictionary Home » Dictionary Definitions » independent commission independent commission An independent commission is a group free from outside or political control that works towards a specific goal for the country, state, etc. (noun) An example of an independent commission is a commission set up with representatives of both political parties to determine what can be done to uphold the rule of law. As stated many time's, Thailand's dictionary has a much different definitions than that of the rest of the world. Funny how the oft-stated Democracy bears more of a resemblance to a dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcutman Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 The Independent National Rule of Law Commission (NRLC) The "independent" commission was appointed by Yingluck's Office of the Prime Minister and endorsed by Yingluck's Cabinet in September 2011 after she became premier. . Dictionary Home » Dictionary Definitions » independent commission independent commission An independent commission is a group free from outside or political control that works towards a specific goal for the country, state, etc. (noun) An example of an independent commission is a commission set up with representatives of both political parties to determine what can be done to uphold the rule of law. As stated many time's, Thailand's dictionary has a much different definitions than that of the rest of the world. Funny how the oft-stated Democracy bears more of a resemblance to a dictatorship. More funny(sad) than that, 90% of the Thai population doesn't realize/care. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OzMick Posted January 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2013 Sure, let's make arson and the use of explosive projectiles legitimate forms of political expression. Sounds like a great way of ensuring "peace in our time." 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo6 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 However, the amnesty does not appear to include those who launched the rallies, were pulling the strings behind the scenes or those who enforced law to maintain peace. Give amnesty to those who broke the law but not to those who enforced the law. under the military junta. why the confusion? You are the one that seems to be confused if you think that they are only talking about events "under the military junta". Last I checked, the military junta weren't in power from "September 19, 2006 to May 10, 2011". no but right at the start, eh? you got this cute li'l confused icon up there for some reason? like not understanding how it might be possible to offer amnesty to the Thai people who protested against military imposed governments but not give amnesty to the same governments when they abused the rights of or just plain killed those same citizens. doesnt sound too hard to understand to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Big thanks to Hugo6 for pointing out that the amnesty bill which absolves protesters of any flavour in the period September 19 2006 actually seems to start with the day of the September 19th 2006 coup. What a coincidence! As for governments abusing rights and killing people, one might have expected the period to start a bit before 2006, but never mind. At least the period still gives us three governments left to accuse of crimes against Thai citizens and not being able to protect them from grenade lobbing terrorists. Even under the PM Somchai non-red-shirts frequently were at risk, like that night when some were having fun at the airport and in panic moved in when a few grenades dropped on them. BTW an amnesty would mean PAD leaders will be absolved? Now that can't be right. What does Ms. Thida have to say about that? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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