By the same logic Obama is not the President of the USA because he couldn't go around committing crimes without being impeached.

473geo, you've been trotting this brain-dead argument for some days, it's entirely worthless but you seem to be amused by it, bless your heart.

Are you saying the USA is a dictatorship, I had no idea.........because we are being told Taksin controls, runs, Thailand, we are told on this forum the Shinawatras run Thailand, sorry guys.......if he is ever allowed to return he will be told how and when, he is allowed to dabble and influence politics at the moment nothing more....(and those with an element of understanding will know why this is)........others will carry on in their confused state totally accepting that a man who is supposedly controlling the country is still living in Dubai......

I suppose you think yourself smart with that strawman argument. Just

By the same logic Obama is not the President of the USA because he couldn't go around committing crimes without being impeached.

473geo, you've been trotting this brain-dead argument for some days, it's entirely worthless but you seem to be amused by it, bless your heart.

Are you saying the USA is a dictatorship, I had no idea.........because we are being told Taksin controls, runs, Thailand, we are told on this forum the Shinawatras run Thailand, sorry guys.......if he is ever allowed to return he will be told how and when, he is allowed to dabble and influence politics at the moment nothing more....(and those with an element of understanding will know why this is)........others will carry on in their confused state totally accepting that a man who is supposedly controlling the country is still living in Dubai......

I suppose you think yourself smart with that strawman argument. Just

not anyway near as much pleasure as you no doubt garnered from this comment "you've been trotting this brain-dead argument for some days".......sure takes all sorts...but I don't take it personally.....

Edited February 3, 201313 yr by 473geo

we are being told Taksin controls, runs, Thailand

I think you're missing the real assertion, Thaksin controls, runs Pheu Thai.... not the same.

btw, Taksin died April 7, 1782.

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Well hallelujah........isn't that just what I have been saying all along......thank you....yeah typo with Thaksin, good you highlighted it, there are a few here who may have well started recalling the guy in 1782....

Hosanna, in the Highest.... you've finally gotten what people have been asserting.

Regarding Thaksin/Taksin....it's a frequently encountered "unintended intended" error, eg. the Red Shirt magazine, Voice of Taksin

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Edited February 3, 201313 yr by Buchholz

we are being told Taksin controls, runs, Thailand

I think you're missing the real assertion, Thaksin controls, runs Pheu Thai.... not the same.

btw, Taksin died April 7, 1782.

.

Well hallelujah........isn't that just what I have been saying all along......thank you....yeah typo with Thaksin, good you highlighted it, there are a few here who may have well started recalling the guy in 1782....

Hosanna, in the Highest.... you've finally gotten what people have been asserting.

Regarding Thaksin/Taksin....it's a frequently encountered "unintended intended" error, eg. the Red Shirt magazine, Voice of Taksin

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last word last word last word.......

Oh right,so you just point the finger where it can go, rather than where it should go, demand charges, trials, and 'justice' against one individual only..who according to some is only involved through 'circumstantial' evidence...some admission...as I have said previously Thaksin is a convenient patsy, possibly also for the keyboard warriors who dare not venture further. I take it you haven't heard the old joke, to Auditor, what is 1+1 answer 2, to economist, what is 1+1 answer 2 maybe 2.5, to accountant, what is 1+1 answer, what do you want it to be?

I said none of those things - but a convenient diversion for you to say so, as is the 1+1 red herring.

Let's simplify things - one step at a time.

What is your take on the assets concealment case - seems a simple enough question?

Didn't he thank the government for being kind enough to give him back 30 billion baht? Mustn't have been as serious as they first thought

Do you mean this case?

This is not the first time that Thailand's beleaguered PM has faced judgement from the court, nor may it be the last. In 2001 the court acquitted Thaksin by an even closer 8-7 vote. The charge in that case was concealment of assets.

Or this case?

Thailand's highest court has ruled that ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra concealed his assets while in office and abused his power for personal gain, and ordered the seizure of 46bn baht (£923m) of his £1.5bn in frozen assets.

The supreme court ruled today that "to seize all the money would be unfair since some of it was made before Thaksin became prime minister"

Or maybe you are quoting Thaksin?

Thaksin said to his supporters as ”he had 84,000 billion baht before entered to political sphere and Thieves (Court) stole his money”

but if compared the officail data of National Anti Corruption Committee (NACC) which all thai politicians must delear asset to NACC before/after be minister. it’s not times when Thaksin and family had money nearly 84,000 billions.

And less than two weeks later the red shirts invaded Bangkok. Coincidence? I think not.

Edited February 3, 201313 yr by Skywalker69

By the same logic Obama is not the President of the USA because he couldn't go around committing crimes without being impeached.

473geo, you've been trotting this brain-dead argument for some days, it's entirely worthless but you seem to be amused by it, bless your heart.

Are you saying the USA is a dictatorship, I had no idea.........because we are being told Taksin controls, runs, Thailand, we are told on this forum the Shinawatras run Thailand, sorry guys.......if he is ever allowed to return he will be told how and when, he is allowed to dabble and influence politics at the moment nothing more....(and those with an element of understanding will know why this is)........others will carry on in their confused state totally accepting that a man who is supposedly controlling the country is still living in Dubai......

Geo can you stop confabulating or is it a compulsion?

Firstly nobody is saying Thaksin runs Thailand, but he does run the PTP party and by proxy the Thai Government.

Secondly there is no reason why Thaksin cant return to Thailand, its entirely his choice.

However, If he ruturns he would have to submit to Thailands laws and regulations.

thirdly the only group who accepts that a convicted criminal living in Dubai controls the Thai government, are his supporters.

Edited February 3, 201313 yr by waza

So has Thaksin, or any of his spokesmen, here or in the USA, yet denied the article's claim that he makes major government decisions and communicates them by Skype, and is therefore effectively running the country from offshore ?

If not ... that's quite a big silence, isn't it ?

Why should he deny anything, strokes the ego you all insist he carries....and doesn't impact the actuality of the situation, I'm sure Thaksin is as aware as anybody that even a denial would make no impression on those that believe what they will......are you expecting a denial?

Of course T would deny it. He has no choice but to deny he controls government appointments, policies and decisions. What do expect him to say, "Ok, you found me out. I not only heavily influence my sister and all her minions, I essentially direct what they do and say."? Along with that is T's credibility factor. He's got zero credibility. If you look at every public statement he's made during and after his PM post, you'll see that none are true.

@Waza Please read the post quoted by Maidu....just one example ..you will see in there "effectively running the country from off shore"....pay attention there's a good chap

I am curious as to why Thaksin himself and also and the assorted marionettes led by Yingluck under her brothers orders have not threatened a libel action against the N.Y. Times ?

Thaksin was and still is as we are all well aware a great proponent of libel actions against his detractors yet no sabre rattling threats of legal actions are to be seen or heard from Thaksin, One can only but presume that the inaction is an admittance of truth of the article in the N.Y.Times

This being the case does it not send a clear signal to all that the report in question is indeed a factual matter thus if a libel action was undertaken the evidence presented by the defence in favour of the N.Y. Times would clearly demonstrate the truth of the matter and Thaksin and his associates as the plaintiffs would lose their case..

The fact being that it is entirely indisputable that this current mladministration is in fact totally under the control of a bail jumping convicted criminal who has a number of non Thai passports and lives in a foreign country.

The control factor is surely proved by the fact that a large number of the current maladministration openly admit to meeting with their puppet master on a regular basis outside of Thailand to receive their orders and rewards, this is of course common knowledge. Again the matter of Thaksin controlling the current maladministration is proved beyond reasonable doubt.

All those facts combined would indeed render the defense offered by Thaksin totally useless. Coupled with that fact is why isn't the N..Y.Times subject to internet censorship by the Thai authorities if the report is incorrect which has happened to other publications that have published articles deemed t be hostile to Thailand and its peoples ?

Methinks the day that Thaksin comes clean and 473 geo comes to see the truth of the matter concerning Thaksin that will surely be the day we see Lord Lucan feeding sugar lumps to Shergar

libel

Edited February 4, 201313 yr by siampolee

"Methinks the day that Thaksin comes clean and 473 geo comes to see the truth of the matter concerning Thaksin that will surely be the day we see Lord Lucan feeding sugar lumps to Shergar".......... .........funny but you need some new material......people under 55 are going to struggle to understand

Jeremiah 5:21 ‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’.

Edited February 4, 201313 yr by OzMick

By the same logic Obama is not the President of the USA because he couldn't go around committing crimes without being impeached.

473geo, you've been trotting this brain-dead argument for some days, it's entirely worthless but you seem to be amused by it, bless your heart.

Are you saying the USA is a dictatorship, I had no idea.........because we are being told Taksin controls, runs, Thailand, we are told on this forum the Shinawatras run Thailand, sorry guys.......if he is ever allowed to return he will be told how and when, he is allowed to dabble and influence politics at the moment nothing more....(and those with an element of understanding will know why this is)........others will carry on in their confused state totally accepting that a man who is supposedly controlling the country is still living in Dubai......

I suppose you think yourself smart with that strawman argument. Just

not anyway near as much pleasure as you no doubt garnered from this comment "you've been trotting this brain-dead argument for some days".......sure takes all sorts...but I don't take it personally.....

Well geo I can't say I agree with your opinions and postings but one thing for sure you do know how to keep the discussion lively.

473 geo post # 311

"Methinks the day that Thaksin comes clean and 473 geo comes to see the truth of the matter concerning Thaksin that will surely be the day we see Lord Lucan feeding sugar lumps to Shergar".......... .........funny but you need some new material......people under 55 are going to struggle to understand

Thank you for the compliment.

However it is noticeable to us all that you offer no defence in favour of your hero Thaksin and his marrionettes.

Why not, does the truth hurt thus your arguments are invalidated?

Methinks in the U.K you would like Thaksin and the others of his ilk declared a , ''Vexatious Litigant."

people under 55 are going to struggle to understand

We can presume that you are under 55 and don't understand Thaksins dictatorial aims thus your support of him ?

Ah the innocent delights of a callow youth.

Edited February 4, 201313 yr by siampolee

Jeremiah 5:21 ‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’.

Couldn't have put it better myself Mick but don't be too harsh I think there are a few of them that are gathering a little understanding.. .

473 geo post # 311

"Methinks the day that Thaksin comes clean and 473 geo comes to see the truth of the matter concerning Thaksin that will surely be the day we see Lord Lucan feeding sugar lumps to Shergar".......... .........funny but you need some new material......people under 55 are going to struggle to understand

Thank you for the compliment.

However it is noticeable to us all that you offer no defence in favour of your hero Thaksin and his marrionettes.

Why not, does the truth hurt thus your arguments are invalidated?

Methinks in the U.K you would like Thaksin and the others of his ilk declared a , ''Vexatious Litigant."

people under 55 are going to struggle to understand

We can presume that you are under 55 and don't understand Thaksins dictatorial aims thus your support of him ?

Ah the innocent delights of a callow youth.

My defence is scattered through the thread....read it or move on..

A scattered defence is no defence..

Strawman arguments that are scattered to the corners of the forum as soon as they are challenged are as useful and indeed as effective and as long lasting as a chocolate fireguard.

Edited February 4, 201313 yr by siampolee

473 geo post # 311

"Methinks the day that Thaksin comes clean and 473 geo comes to see the truth of the matter concerning Thaksin that will surely be the day we see Lord Lucan feeding sugar lumps to Shergar".......... .........funny but you need some new material......people under 55 are going to struggle to understand

Thank you for the compliment.

However it is noticeable to us all that you offer no defence in favour of your hero Thaksin and his marrionettes.

Why not, does the truth hurt thus your arguments are invalidated?

Methinks in the U.K you would like Thaksin and the others of his ilk declared a , ''Vexatious Litigant."

people under 55 are going to struggle to understand

We can presume that you are under 55 and don't understand Thaksins dictatorial aims thus your support of him ?

Ah the innocent delights of a callow youth.

My defence is scattered through the thread....read it or move on..

As I've said before 473geo, you talk a lot, but you don't say a lot.

Reading through the thread, your ramblings and obfuscation make it very difficult to clearly understand what you are trying to say with regards to whether Thaksin is running or controlling or influencing the Govt.

So how about some yes or no answers please to these questions (no explanations, just a yes or no answer):

1. Is Thaksin a convicted criminal?
   
2. Is Thaksin advising members of the Govt, including his sister?
   
3. Was he elected to be part of this current Govt?
   
4. Did Thaksin incite or encourage the last round of rioting which resulted in many deaths?
   
5. Did Thaksin phone in to the Red shirt stage during said riots on a daily basis?
   
6. Was his aim to create chaos and force a change in Govt by painting the Democrats in a bad light for their handling of the situation?
   
7. Is Yiingluck a competent businesswoman?
   
8. Is Yingluck a competent PM?
   
9. Do you believe Thaksin has an undue detrimental influence on the running of the country?
   
10. Do you believe that Thaksin will return to fight his conviction legally through the Courts and face up to the other charges or will he wait until "amnesty" is forced through?
    
11. Should a criminal convicted of "financial irregularities" be able to influence ANY part of Govt?
    
12. Do you believe that Thaksin has any interests at heart other than his own?
    

Lastly this one is not a yes or no:

1. Who else is exerting influence over the current Govt if it's not Thaksin?
   

I look forward to your replies 473geo.

By the same logic Obama is not the President of the USA because he couldn't go around committing crimes without being impeached.

473geo, you've been trotting this brain-dead argument for some days, it's entirely worthless but you seem to be amused by it, bless your heart.

Are you saying the USA is a dictatorship, I had no idea.........because we are being told Taksin controls, runs, Thailand, we are told on this forum the Shinawatras run Thailand, sorry guys.......if he is ever allowed to return he will be told how and when, he is allowed to dabble and influence politics at the moment nothing more....(and those with an element of understanding will know why this is)........others will carry on in their confused state totally accepting that a man who is supposedly controlling the country is still living in Dubai......

I suppose you think yourself smart with that strawman argument. Just

I think you hit the nail on the head he just posts his nonsense to amuse him self.

@Waza Please read the post quoted by Maidu....just one example ..you will see in there "effectively running the country from off shore"....pay attention there's a good chap

Congratulations are in order here you almost got it right.

Now if you could just leave the word "effectively" out you would be 100% on.

Jeremiah 5:21 ‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’.

Couldn't have put it better myself Mick but don't be too harsh I think there are a few of them that are gathering a little understanding.. .

Yes and we are trying to help you but you are resisting us with a closed mind. Ah well if it wasent for a closed mind Thaksin would have no supporters.

Carry on

@473geo - where are you? I'm waiting for my answers!

@473geo - where are you? I'm waiting for my answers!

Last sighted at 15.44 today.

Seems the kitchen got too hot.

we are being told Taksin controls, runs, Thailand

I think you're missing the real assertion, Thaksin controls, runs Pheu Thai.... not the same.

btw, Taksin died April 7, 1782.

.

Well hallelujah........isn't that just what I have been saying all along......thank you....yeah typo with Thaksin, good you highlighted it, there are a few here who may have well started recalling the guy in 1782....

You dont mean people might confuse the current Thaksin with that half Chinese fellow over two centuries ago who would crown himself king?

we are being told Taksin controls, runs, Thailand

I think you're missing the real assertion, Thaksin controls, runs Pheu Thai.... not the same.

btw, Taksin died April 7, 1782.

.

Well hallelujah........isn't that just what I have been saying all along......thank you....yeah typo with Thaksin, good you highlighted it, there are a few here who may have well started recalling the guy in 1782....

You dont mean people might confuse the current Thaksin with that half Chinese fellow over two centuries ago who would crown himself king?

Even if that was the case, it's a pretty feeble way to crawl out of a hole.

@473geo - where are you? I'm waiting for my answers!

Answer to question 1) "Oh please.... we all know Thaksin is convicted of financial irregularity, and currently residing out of the country...we are informed on this forum day after day...".......easily found in one of my earlier posts, now I realise you apparently consider this "ramblings and obfuscation make it very difficult to clearly understand"....... I will leave you to ponder why you are not understanding

@473geo - where are you? I'm waiting for my answers!

Answer to question 1) "Oh please.... we all know Thaksin is convicted of financial irregularity, and currently residing out of the country...we are informed on this forum day after day...".......easily found in one of my earlier posts, now I realise you apparently consider this "ramblings and obfuscation make it very difficult to clearly understand"....... I will leave you to ponder why you are not understanding

And so you ramble some more rather than clarifying things by answering a few simple yes or no questions. Great. Just what we all expected.

327 replies and I see geo is still rambeling to be expected. Has any opne ever heard of a Thaksinite excepting reality.

After 327 replies I wonder if Yingluck is still saying she is the real Prime Minister. She knows she is not but as she is a clone of a proven speaker of false facts it comes easy for her to claim it.

It is in her genes.

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An example of reality I can not spell very well and some time I forget to check my spell checkker.

As I obviousley have done here.

Edited February 5, 201313 yr by hellodolly

New TAT slogan to entice tourists to visit Thailand.

Come to Amazing Thailand where Yingluck is the real Prime Minister.

Oh I don't think there is any doubt Yingluck is PM of Thailand, what the recent article questions is if the cabinet turn to her when seeking advice, or direction. Maybe on some issues, maybe not on others who can be sure.