Natthawut Lobbies Yingluck On Draft Amnesty Decree

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Natthawut lobbies PM on draft amnesty decree

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Deputy Commerce Minister Natthawut Saikua yesterday sought support from Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra for the red-shirt movement's draft executive decree to grant amnesty to political demonstrators.

Speaking to reporters after meeting Yingluck, Natthawut, a red-shirt leader, said he informed the prime minister of details of the draft executive decree of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship.

He said he would later submit the draft, which has four articles, to the prime minister so it could be forwarded to the Council of State for consideration.

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Natthawut said he informed the prime minister that the decree would seek to absolve those detained or facing charges because of political conflict since the September 19, 2006 coup - but leaders of any side or group would not receive an amnesty under the decree.

He said he told Yingluck that after the public received the amnesty, it would be easier to hold talks on reconciliation because people would be relieved from the pain of crackdowns or persecution by authorities.

Natthawut said he informed the prime minister there were both proponents and opponents of an amnesty for the mass of people. For example, the Nitirat group and the National Rule of Law Commission had proposed their versions of an amnesty.

Natthawut said the prime minister was told the opponents, including the Democrat Party, were not clear in their opposition. They opposed the amnesty only because they feared former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra would receive the amnesty as well.

Natthawut quoted Yingluck as saying her government had a policy to create reconciliation - but since there are several proposals for an amnesty, the Council of State should be asked to review all suggestions before coming up with the best way to grant amnesty.

Yesterday, Atchaporn Jarujinda, secretary-general of the Council of State, was summoned to meet the prime minister. He said he had not discussed the amnesty draft law with the prime minister because the government had not yet submitted the drafts to his office. "So far, I don't know what to do with them if the drafts are submitted now because the government has not yet [deliberated on them]," Atchaporn said.

-- The Nation 2013-02-02

[siampolee]

Natthawut said he informed the prime minister that the decree would seek to absolve those detained or facing charges because of political conflict since the September 19, 2006 coup - but leaders of any side or group would not receive an amnesty under the decree.

Now the sharks are starting to circle their prey it is going to be very interesting to see what the puppet master makes of this move and what instructions the puppet master will issue to his puppet maladministration so as to preserve his dreams of absolute power.

Selective justice with an interesting angle, the pawns could become the masters.,

One also wonders how those Red Shirt leaders who enriched themselves whilst leading from the back feel about this move too ? .

No doubt that there are some cases of loose bowels within the Red Shirt leaders enclave.

[Melyn]

Amnesty=reconciliation=poppycock

[LuckyLew]

I think all political protestors should all be given 20 years in jail

with no chance of parole. All red yellow and black protestors

should be put away for 20 years ... that way maybe there will

be no more protests for at least 20 years

All exiled or ousted PM's from the past 200 years should all be

shot in a public executions ... that way maybe Thailand can move

forward

[OzMick]

Possible conflict of interest here if Natthawut is presenting a proposal which will give amnesty to himself (amongst others including cronies and his paymaster).

[jcb2001]

From the op,

Natthawut said he informed the prime minister that the decree would seek to absolve those detained or facing charges because of political conflict since the September 19, 2006 coup - but leaders of any side or group would not receive an amnesty under the decree.

I find this hard to believe that Nuttawat is excluding himself and Khun Thaksin from his amnesty proposal. Am I missing something here or did this news op miss something in the translation?

[Pimay1]

I think all political protestors should all be given 20 years in jail

with no chance of parole. All red yellow and black protestors

should be put away for 20 years ... that way maybe there will

be no more protests for at least 20 years

All exiled or ousted PM's from the past 200 years should all be

shot in a public executions ... that way maybe Thailand can move

forward

Would you please stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think?

[hellodolly]

I think all political protestors should all be given 20 years in jail

with no chance of parole. All red yellow and black protestors

should be put away for 20 years ... that way maybe there will

be no more protests for at least 20 years

All exiled or ousted PM's from the past 200 years should all be

shot in a public executions ... that way maybe Thailand can move

forward

Well that is a pretty harsh statement.

How ever it is far more sensible than Natthawut's plan to tell the population that terrorism is OK you will not be punished go and burn down a building or two.

[rixalex]

From the op,

Natthawut said he informed the prime minister that the decree would seek to absolve those detained or facing charges because of political conflict since the September 19, 2006 coup - but leaders of any side or group would not receive an amnesty under the decree.

I find this hard to believe that Nuttawat is excluding himself and Khun Thaksin from his amnesty proposal. Am I missing something here or did this news op miss something in the translation?

I don't think he is excluding himself or Thaksin. Both of them will simply argue that they weren't leaders. It's what Thaksin already does. In fact, Thaksin has gone even further than that, saying that he doesn't even know the red shirts. Natthawut will come up with some similar nonsense like saying he is simply a speaker and a spokesperson, not a leader.

[mic6ard]

Possible conflict of interest here if Natthawut is presenting a proposal which will give amnesty to himself (amongst others including cronies and his paymaster).

Actually, I don't think that he'll get amnesty as he's one of the leader.

"but leaders of any side or group would not receive an amnesty under the decree."

[mic6ard]

From the op,

Natthawut said he informed the prime minister that the decree would seek to absolve those detained or facing charges because of political conflict since the September 19, 2006 coup - but leaders of any side or group would not receive an amnesty under the decree.

I find this hard to believe that Nuttawat is excluding himself and Khun Thaksin from his amnesty proposal. Am I missing something here or did this news op miss something in the translation?

I don't think he is excluding himself or Thaksin. Both of them will simply argue that they weren't leaders. It's what Thaksin already does. In fact, Thaksin has gone even further than that, saying that he doesn't even know the red shirts. Natthawut will come up with some similar nonsense like saying he is simply a speaker and a spokesperson, not a leader.

NOWAY, NO HOW. He cannot claim to be just a speaker. He was/is one of the "face" of the party.

[ramrod711]

He said he would later submit the draft, which has four articles, to the prime minister so it could be forwarded to the Council of State for consideration.

Article one; I must stay out of jail at any cost, regardless of how many videos there are of me claiming that I would be responsible for any acts performed by people that were incited by me. By the way, I was only joking, I didn't mean that I would stand up and be a man by actually living up to my word.

[rixalex]

From the op,

Natthawut said he informed the prime minister that the decree would seek to absolve those detained or facing charges because of political conflict since the September 19, 2006 coup - but leaders of any side or group would not receive an amnesty under the decree.

I find this hard to believe that Nuttawat is excluding himself and Khun Thaksin from his amnesty proposal. Am I missing something here or did this news op miss something in the translation?

I don't think he is excluding himself or Thaksin. Both of them will simply argue that they weren't leaders. It's what Thaksin already does. In fact, Thaksin has gone even further than that, saying that he doesn't even know the red shirts. Natthawut will come up with some similar nonsense like saying he is simply a speaker and a spokesperson, not a leader.

NOWAY, NO HOW. He cannot claim to be just a speaker. He was/is one of the "face" of the party.

These lot can deny anything. History proves it. They deny the black shirts were simply an armed wing of the red shirts. They deny that the red shirts were the ones who burnt down Central World. They deny that Thaksin's money has helped fund the red shirts. Why can't they deny being leaders?

[looping]

These people have the gaul to terrorise Bangkok, killing, looting and burning, then submit a draft saying that they should all be simply let off, along with T who will undoubtedly claim that he wasn't a leader.

I guess it's hard to see the truth when you're consumed by greed.

IMO The only chance of getting a bill through is to have a specific statement saying that Thaksin will not be included in the amendments.

Otherwise it's just going to decend even further.

Edited February 2, 2013 by looping

[Bagwan]

I think all political protestors should all be given 20 years in jail

with no chance of parole. All red yellow and black protestors

should be put away for 20 years ... that way maybe there will

be no more protests for at least 20 years

All exiled or ousted PM's from the past 200 years should all be

shot in a public executions ... that way maybe Thailand can move

forward

Would you please stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think?

It is wishy-washy liberals and do gooders like this that are screwing up the World. (Satirical for the hard of thinking)

[Buchholz]

Possible conflict of interest here if Natthawut is presenting a proposal which will give amnesty to himself (amongst others including cronies and his paymaster).

No "possible" involved, it is the supreme ridiculousness of Red Shirts personified.

He has charges pending from 2007, charges pending from 2009, and charges pending from 2010 and now wants his cabinet boss to issue an executive degree absolving all the crimes he has been personally charged with.

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