Land Fill In Buriram

[wozza]

I have read in a few post re land fill that the land owners pay per truck for fill

The wife says its a better option to have a qoute for the land to be filled ,say to 1 metre so if it takes 100 trucks or 120 trucks you know what it will cost you in the end and she says the contractor cant screw you by saying he sent more trucks than he actualy sent

Also she says some one wants to make a dam nearby and they want to give her the fill

SO! how does this work? would the dam owner have to pay the contractor to remove the fill? or just pay him for cartage

And with us ? we pay the contractor for cartage so does he get paid twice? or does the dam owner get his dam excavated for free ?

[BKK90210]

I have read in a few post re land fill that the land owners pay per truck for fill

The wife says its a better option to have a qoute for the land to be filled ,say to 1 metre so if it takes 100 trucks or 120 trucks you know what it will cost you in the end and she says the contractor cant screw you by saying he sent more trucks than he actualy sent Your wife is very smart gal and you should do as she suggested. Just make sure you have the peg out there and marked exactly the level of desired height. But remember if the soil is dry and loose it will take less trucks to fill the area, than wet soil.

Also she says some one wants to make a dam nearby and they want to give her the fill

Remember typically the soil in dam area is mostly clay soil. Clay soil is bad to use for fills because it holds to much water and very slow to drain, therefore bad for the septic system. Anything can be used for fills except clay and soil that contains too much organic materials

SO! how does this work? would the dam owner have to pay the contractor to remove the fill? or just pay him for cartage

If they use the same constractor to do both excavate and dumping...then yes!

And with us ? we pay the contractor for cartage so does he get paid twice? or does the dam owner get his dam excavated for free ?

Usally the contractor will charge for both excavating plus dumping the soil elsewhere, if he couldn't not find any buyer for the soil beforehand. If he couldn't find a buyer then typically he will have to dump the soil at some gravel and soil company in the area, and there will be a fee charged for dumping there. But if you're willing to buy it you might have to get together with the owner and his contractor and let's make the deal? Anything is possible through negotiation! Just make sure you have everything agreed upon in writing!

Edited March 3, 2006 by BKK90210

[ando]

I think I will be talking to a soil engineer before I start buying fill. My understanding is that clay fill is a pretty bad base to buikld on because it expands and contracts with moisture. In the west most concrete slabs are laid on top of a layer of bedding sand. Perhaps it might be best to pay the extra and get the best quality fill brought in.

The other thing that worries me is the local information that all fill must be left to settle for at least a year before building can commence. To my way of thinking this one year protocol would have to be different for different soil types.

And I have seen compacting machines on construction sites, pounding the soil down. Maybe the use of these machines would speed up the process of waiting one year for the soil to settle naturally.

One thing I do like about the Thai building techniques is that they dig the foundations (including internal supporting walls) well down past the original ground level.

Anyone had any experience talking to engineers (not the builder) about this?

[BKK90210]

I think I will be talking to a soil engineer before I start buying fill. My understanding is that clay fill is a pretty bad base to buikld on because it expands and contracts with moisture. In the west most concrete slabs are laid on top of a layer of bedding sand. Perhaps it might be best to pay the extra and get the best quality fill brought in.

The other thing that worries me is the local information that all fill must be left to settle for at least a year before building can commence. To my way of thinking this one year protocol would have to be different for different soil types.

And I have seen compacting machines on construction sites, pounding the soil down. Maybe the use of these machines would speed up the process of waiting one year for the soil to settle naturally.

One thing I do like about the Thai building techniques is that they dig the foundations (including internal supporting walls) well down past the original ground level.

Anyone had any experience talking to engineers (not the builder) about this?

I agree with what you said about talking to the engineer first. I'm a licensed structural engineer here in the US myself....and quite worry when most people always trust what others or builders said about soil, foundation, or any structural parts. It's amaze me that many people are willing to give all kinds of advice base on their reading or experiences without any professional training and calculation to back up their statements. It's very scary.....not to mention personal liability too!

In addition I also disagree with the statement that said "all fill must be left to settle for at least a year before building can commence" and you're right with modern technology nowaday you don't have to wait that long. If you can bring in a good fill and do 6"-12" lift with any heavy equipment running over the area or with a big construction hand vibration, then this method is preferred. Of course you have to pay extra for this method, but it's sure faster and ensure a proper compaction than waiting a year before you can build on it.

Even being in the US with strict building code and regulations, I still have many headaches with many homeowners or builders who want to do their own way all the times.

[lopburi3]

I do not believe Thai ever use a slab foundation as their buildings are supported by piles and posts which would have to be sunk into the earth to remain plumb but have no experience upcountry so I could be wrong.

[chownah]

Wozza, how deep will the fill be at the location where you will build your house?

Chownah

[wozza]

Thanks for all the information

The land size is 1 Rai 68 wah and according to my engineering wife it has to be raised 2 metres allowing for compaction and any future road works on the main road frontage

Does any one have an estimate what this will cost considering the soil will be going about 1 klm and as the wife says " my couzin gets pool for free and we pay for excavator and dumps"

It has an easment for drainage along the main road so we would need to place large concrete pipes down first then fill over the top

Are there any problems i may incure with the local goverment regarding the drainage

[chownah]

With two metres of fill at the location where your house will be it will not be too difficult to dig down to the original ground so that the column foundations will be in undisturbed earth....this is good. When they bring the fill in try to get the tractor that spreads it (you will have a tractor to spread it won't you?) to spread it into thin layers and then to drive over it....or better still try to arrange the setup so that all of the full trucks bringing the dirt to your land drive over the place where your house will be....not in one place but move the exact wheel path every few loads so so that by the time they are done the entire area where your house will be is packed solid by truck traffic.....this is what is done when earth embankments are constructed to widen an existing highway in the US. When done properly the trucks alone will provide adequate compaction.

[steveromagnino]

Thanks for all the information

The land size is 1 Rai 68 wah and according to my engineering wife it has to be raised 2 metres allowing for compaction and any future road works on the main road frontage

Does any one have an estimate what this will cost considering the soil will be going about 1 klm and as the wife says " my couzin gets pool for free and we pay for excavator and dumps"

It has an easment for drainage along the main road so we would need to place large concrete pipes down first then fill over the top

Are there any problems i may incure with the local goverment regarding the drainage

You could also consider creating a wopping great hole in one area, which serves several purposes:

- you can make some money farming catfish or similar (or just fish for fun and eating)

- easier drainage

- just means moving from one place to another

- nice to look at

- good for watering plants and stuff

My family dug a huge hole in our farming land (in Isaan) and as a result the village is much better off with work farming fish and so on; plus there are ducks and birds and things so the whole place seems nicer. One big series of rain filled it up last year.

For 1 rai ++ it would seem like you would have enough land to consider this....anyway it sounds like your wife knows her stuff :-)

[hunglikea]

Thanks for all the information

The land size is 1 Rai 68 wah and according to my engineering wife it has to be raised 2 metres allowing for compaction and any future road works on the main road frontage

Does any one have an estimate what this will cost considering the soil will be going about 1 klm and as the wife says " my couzin gets pool for free and we pay for excavator and dumps"

It has an easment for drainage along the main road so we would need to place large concrete pipes down first then fill over the top

Are there any problems i may incure with the local goverment regarding the drainage

You could also consider creating a wopping great hole in one area, which serves several purposes:

- you can make some money farming catfish or similar (or just fish for fun and eating)

- easier drainage

- just means moving from one place to another

- nice to look at

- good for watering plants and stuff

My family dug a huge hole in our farming land (in Isaan) and as a result the village is much better off with work farming fish and so on; plus there are ducks and birds and things so the whole place seems nicer. One big series of rain filled it up last year.

For 1 rai ++ it would seem like you would have enough land to consider this....anyway it sounds like your wife knows her stuff :-)

Thinking of doing just that. We're buying 15 rai near Lat Yao, Nakhon Sawan. I want about 2 rai for breeding fish to both sell and as a sport, 12 for growing vegetables and 1 rai for house with bar and pool table - if people don't come to play or drink I'll have to do it on my own.

[ando]

Better do some research on the local water table before counting on the water hole being full all year round. Up near my families home in Chaiyaphum a small lake 3 meters deep in the wet season turns into dry grass land in the dry season.

Thanks for all the information

The land size is 1 Rai 68 wah and according to my engineering wife it has to be raised 2 metres allowing for compaction and any future road works on the main road frontage

Does any one have an estimate what this will cost considering the soil will be going about 1 klm and as the wife says " my couzin gets pool for free and we pay for excavator and dumps"

It has an easment for drainage along the main road so we would need to place large concrete pipes down first then fill over the top

Are there any problems i may incure with the local goverment regarding the drainage

You could also consider creating a wopping great hole in one area, which serves several purposes:

- you can make some money farming catfish or similar (or just fish for fun and eating)

- easier drainage

- just means moving from one place to another

- nice to look at

- good for watering plants and stuff

My family dug a huge hole in our farming land (in Isaan) and as a result the village is much better off with work farming fish and so on; plus there are ducks and birds and things so the whole place seems nicer. One big series of rain filled it up last year.

For 1 rai ++ it would seem like you would have enough land to consider this....anyway it sounds like your wife knows her stuff :-)

Thinking of doing just that. We're buying 15 rai near Lat Yao, Nakhon Sawan. I want about 2 rai for breeding fish to both sell and as a sport, 12 for growing vegetables and 1 rai for house with bar and pool table - if people don't come to play or drink I'll have to do it on my own.

[steveromagnino]

Better do some research on the local water table before counting on the water hole being full all year round. Up near my families home in Chaiyaphum a small lake 3 meters deep in the wet season turns into dry grass land in the dry season.

I am not 100% sure because I didn't do it myself, but I think the hole was lined with some sort of mud, which sort of disconnects it from the water table.

It does rise and fall in water level, but having some trees around it and shade and it is pretty nice, even when the water level drops.

[Swelters]

With two metres of fill at the location where your house will be it will not be too difficult to dig down to the original ground so that the column foundations will be in undisturbed earth....this is good. When they bring the fill in try to get the tractor that spreads it (you will have a tractor to spread it won't you?) to spread it into thin layers and then to drive over it....or better still try to arrange the setup so that all of the full trucks bringing the dirt to your land drive over the place where your house will be....not in one place but move the exact wheel path every few loads so so that by the time they are done the entire area where your house will be is packed solid by truck traffic.....this is what is done when earth embankments are constructed to widen an existing highway in the US. When done properly the trucks alone will provide adequate compaction.

This is excellent advice on the truck rolling part, but on the foundation part, we've been through this before, sometimes the ground below is a lot worse than the fill, esp near rivers or in BKK, in which case you could be better off with the foundations in the fill.

[hunglikea]

Better do some research on the local water table before counting on the water hole being full all year round. Up near my families home in Chaiyaphum a small lake 3 meters deep in the wet season turns into dry grass land in the dry season.

At the moment (March) there is a large hole by the side of the road which is pretty close to where I'll start the 'lake' and this still has water in, so hopefully it will be OK. I wouldn't know how t check the water table and I doubt whether the locals would either? I will need to learn about breeding fish as well so any help....

[wozza]

Its now time to raise the land 1.5 metres in Buriram

And its 1 Rai 68 wah

A relative will be making a dam within 1 klm of our land

So the story goes I will pay 120 000 baht to get the fill to my block and the relly gets her dam for free

Is this normal practise and what about the rate is it acceptable

Any comments will be greatly appreciated

[jayenram]

Its now time to raise the land 1.5 metres in Buriram

And its 1 Rai 68 wah

A relative will be making a dam within 1 klm of our land

So the story goes I will pay 120 000 baht to get the fill to my block and the relly gets her dam for free

Is this normal practise and what about the rate is it acceptable

Any comments will be greatly appreciated

You will be looking at almost 1,000 4 wheel truck loads for the fill you require. Therefore you'll be paying in the order of Bht 120.00 per truck. If the fill is of reasonable quality this is not a bad price at all.

[wozza]

You will be looking at almost 1,000 4 wheel truck loads for the fill you require. Therefore you'll be paying in the order of Bht 120.00 per truck. If the fill is of reasonable quality this is not a bad price at all.

1000 trucks ? That does sound like a lot how long would that take to complete?

if they dumped 100 loads (which I think is a big ask) a day that would take 10 days but this is Thailand so I guess it could be a few weeks to finish

[Crossy]

1000 trucks ? That does sound like a lot how long would that take to complete?

Our chaps took just over a week to dump and spread 240 6-wheel trucks worth (about 2400m3). Includes some 'slow' days coz their WW2 vintage bulldozer had some sort of mechanical difficulty.

Also got the backhoe driver to clear out our khlongs (on 3 sides). The prawn man can now get right to the road with his boat, extra sales for him, discount fresh-water prawns for us

[jayenram]

1000 trucks ? That does sound like a lot how long would that take to complete?

if they dumped 100 loads (which I think is a big ask) a day that would take 10 days but this is Thailand so I guess it could be a few weeks to finish

One 4 wheel truck carries about 4 m3 loose earth. This should compact to 3.20 m3. 3.20 m3 will raise 1 talang wah x approx 0.80 m. 2 trucks will then raise it by 1.60 m, about what you are looking at. You have 468 talang wah therefore x 2 = 936 trucks. Thereabouts, of course.

[wozza]

Thanks for you replys guys much appreciated