ALFREDO Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) Battambang to PP in 4 hours?? In a Ferrari maybe!! http://maps.google.com/ 330 km, 80 km/h average, should be possible. Not change the car (Ferrari ), change the driver in the car! I drive now, after the "Tax pay back" possibility for "First time car owners" the small Nissan March of my GF, in (Spring?) light green so they see me better! And, I am most time the quickest in that sure not "Powerful car." (Before, Ford Ranger 10 years, Toyota Vigo (163 HP) 6 years.) Edited February 24, 2013 by ALFREDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALFREDO Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Since Cambodia and Thailand drive on different sides of the road, the bus is going to have wheel on the wrong side for part of the journey (probably the Camb segment) which is something of a safety issue.... After living in the U.S. most of my life, I have had many opportunites to drive cars in the U.S setup to drive in England. It works. Cars still turn left or right. Just have to pay attention is all. I think the problems can occur when you alone in the car and want to overtake another car, truck, special lorry or bus on a normal, one lane per direction-country road, when you sit on the wrong side of the road. Sure, nearly no problem on US-Highways. Difficult to compare US roads and Cambodian roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 I drove a LH drive here for more than 4 years some 30 years ago and it had that disadvantage (if you did not have a passenger to let you know if clear for passing) but on many roads here (two lanes/more in one direction) it had the advantage in sneaking along the shoulder during traffic jams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuchulainn Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Tut tut!! And you a respectable moderator!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketrichard Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 11 hours? I doubt it. I've done that route many times in a mini-van and it was around 14 hours, and that was hauling ass. Being that a air-con bus to Sisaket is 8 hours, there's just no way. If they do, I will be super impressed. I will give this one a shot for sure. I wonder if the bus will stop before the border and try to get the passengers to buy a Cambodian visa that they don't need--like the tuk tuks do near Poipet. Thais do not need a Visa for up to 2 weeks, but Falangs-Barangs need! Actually its 15 days When i went in with my daughter, that's what she got in July on her Thai passport, overstayed 4 days $20 when we left. Cambodians get the same as Farangs at the border coming to Thailand (15 days overland) or fly in get 30 That tax back thing was one of the worst things they could have done. 1. put way to many new drivers in their own cars on the road and has increased the already bad traffic and made it worse. .....Latest estimates for purchases under the scheme across Thailand run as high as 1.2 million vehicles, with the offer due to expire at the end of 2012. 2. will put many Thai's in debt that they can not afford look for lots of 1 year old cars for sale this low season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Cambodia/Thailand visa exempt is only 14 days regardless of entry mode rather than the normal 30 days provided by ASIAN status. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombkk Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I have deleted a few more British/Australian off-topic posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombkk Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Since Cambodia and Thailand drive on different sides of the road, the bus is going to have wheel on the wrong side for part of the journey (probably the Camb segment) which is something of a safety issue....Yes, it is. The solution would be to campaign for all countries in continental ASEAN to drive on the same side of the road. While this is unlikely, the issue becomes more interesting when we expand the area beyond ASEAN (as surely road transport and connectivity will improve over the next decades): India drives on the left while China drives on the right. So, no way all the continental countries in Europa and Asia will drive on the same side of the road. We'll have to deal with this another way. But forbidding it is not reasonable - we have UK and Irish buses and trucks in continental Europe. In the 1970s, trucks in Italy had the steering wheel on the right-hand side, even though they drove in the right lane. They weren't supposed to overtake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombkk Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 One more remark about this bus service: It is not meant for visa runners, but for people who want to have an alternative to flying. The whole idea started with the Cross-Border Transport Agreement (CBTA) that both Thailand and Cambodia signed but so far failed to implement at their common border. Last year in June, the Thai and Cambodian sides signed an follow-up agreement to issue 40 licences each for direct truck and bus services. This article is the first sign that anything happened. The article does not say how the border issue is handled, and the questions posed are reasonable. The big issue here is that the Thai bus can now enter Cambodia; there is no compulsory change of buses at the border any more. I don't know whether it is more convenient for passengers than changing the bus, but it's a first step. I am looking for Thai trucking companies to receive licences, as this will have a big positive effect on cross-border trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALFREDO Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Actually its 15 days Cambodians get the same as Farangs at the border coming to Thailand (15 days overland) or fly in get 30 That tax back thing was one of the worst things they could have done. If you say 15 days or 2 weeks and the arrival day, is a matter of interpretation. If you arrive 1st of the month you have to leave, 15 of the month, but that is not full 15 - 24 hour days. 15 full days each 24 hours, would be the 16. day of the month. I had my Cambodian GF several times in TH with the new Visa exemption possibility, she always arrived with plane. Always got only 14/15 days. The "Car Tax pay back" program was good! I drive now a new car and 60 or 65.000.- Baht cheaper and more early, than what I have thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomtomtom69 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Since Cambodia and Thailand drive on different sides of the road, the bus is going to have wheel on the wrong side for part of the journey (probably the Camb segment) which is something of a safety issue....Would not be surprised to see vehicle changes at the border/ Wrong. The idea of a cross-border bus is that you don't have to change vehicles at the border - otherwise this bus service wouldn't be a cross border service! There are currently numerous cross-border services between Thailand and Laos, which also have to drive on the "wrong" side of the road part of the way. Such services have been available for a few years now and there are no problems with this. Also, if anyone has ever been to Myanmar about 80-90% of vehicles have their steering wheels on the right hand side, yet Myanmar also drives on the right. This includes many buses and for the most part there are no problems with this arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomtomtom69 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Actually its 15 days Cambodians get the same as Farangs at the border coming to Thailand (15 days overland) or fly in get 30 That tax back thing was one of the worst things they could have done. If you say 15 days or 2 weeks and the arrival day, is a matter of interpretation. If you arrive 1st of the month you have to leave, 15 of the month, but that is not full 15 - 24 hour days. 15 full days each 24 hours, would be the 16. day of the month. I had my Cambodian GF several times in TH with the new Visa exemption possibility, she always arrived with plane. Always got only 14/15 days. The "Car Tax pay back" program was good! I drive now a new car and 60 or 65.000.- Baht cheaper and more early, than what I have thought! Wrong. Cambodians get only 14 days, technically 13 if you count the day of arrival (not 15, there is a difference) both arriving by air and by land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomtomtom69 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Battambang to PP in 4 hours?? In a Ferrari maybe!! http://maps.google.com/ 330 km, 80 km/h average, should be possible. Not change the car (Ferrari ), change the driver in the car! I drive now, after the "Tax pay back" possibility for "First time car owners" the small Nissan March of my GF, in (Spring?) light green so they see me better! And, I am most time the quickest in that sure not "Powerful car." (Before, Ford Ranger 10 years, Toyota Vigo (163 HP) 6 years.) I've done Poipet to Phnom Penh in exactly 4 hours in an American Camry taxi with driver. The driver nearly hit 2 villagers and one cow and laughed every time we nearly hit those 3 living beings. We hit speeds of over 130km/h for much of the journey and it was getting dark. Scary stuff indeed but do note that local taxi drivers DO indeed make this journey in 4 hours, so Battambang to Phnom Penh takes just 2.5-3 hours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALFREDO Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) Actually its 15 days Cambodians get the same as Farangs at the border coming to Thailand (15 days overland) or fly in get 30 I had my Cambodian GF several times in TH with the new Visa exemption possibility, she always arrived with plane. Always got only 14/15 days. Wrong. Cambodians get only 14 days, technically 13 if you count the day of arrival (not 15, there is a difference) both arriving by air and by land. So arrive on the 1. of the month, have to leave on the 14th Ok, I will check it out next time, when I have that possibility with my Cambodian GF, Edited February 25, 2013 by ALFREDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALFREDO Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) I've done Poipet to Phnom Penh in exactly 4 hours in an American Camry taxi with driver. The driver nearly hit 2 villagers and one cow and laughed every time we nearly hit those 3 living beings. We hit speeds of over 130km/h for much of the journey and it was getting dark. Scary stuff indeed Seems like hours full of fun! Edited February 25, 2013 by ALFREDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 The Thai still remember the burning of there Embassy in February 2003. The 14 day allowance is relatively new as previously a visa was required. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketrichard Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) Actually its 15 days Cambodians get the same as Farangs at the border coming to Thailand (15 days overland) or fly in get 30 That tax back thing was one of the worst things they could have done. If you say 15 days or 2 weeks and the arrival day, is a matter of interpretation. If you arrive 1st of the month you have to leave, 15 of the month, but that is not full 15 - 24 hour days. 15 full days each 24 hours, would be the 16. day of the month. I had my Cambodian GF several times in TH with the new Visa exemption possibility, she always arrived with plane. Always got only 14/15 days. The "Car Tax pay back" program was good! I drive now a new car and 60 or 65.000.- Baht cheaper and more early, than what I have thought! Wrong. Cambodians get only 14 days, technically 13 if you count the day of arrival (not 15, there is a difference) both arriving by air and by land. Guys; I have driven in with my Cambodian gf and she got 15 days.Last one was (arrived 4th of Oct departed 18th) when we flew to KL. have flown in and she got 30 ( 2 times) when u apply for a thai visa for a Cambodian thru a travel agent, they will tell u its only good for 30 days yet every time ( for the last 4 years) she as always gotten 60 days. Edited February 26, 2013 by phuketrichard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantSpell Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 http://www.mfaic.gov.kh/evisa/ E-Visa 28 USD total as opposed to 20 USD at border but save some queuing and negotiations... Works for PoiPet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokburning Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 First, taking a minivan and the big bus in Poipet will only cost you 220 + 10usd. So it is 35% overpriced. Add to tjis far slower on Thai side, one trip a day. Further, willing to wsit while all the idiots, noobs and peoples from asstd wide andvwierd nations jostle for visas and the flunkies try and gouge each in turn for money. Count me out. I will say though, it does avoid and hopefully will.crush the bs taxi/camry mafia. It is always better, faster, cheaper and more fun to diy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokburning Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Thais only get 15days because that is what Thailand gives Cambodia. Bank on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALFREDO Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) phuketrichard, on 26 Feb 2013 - 09:55, said: Guys; I have driven in with my Cambodian gf and she got 15 days.Last one was (arrived 4th of Oct departed 18th) when we flew to KL. have flown in and she got 30 ( 2 times) when u apply for a thai visa for a Cambodian thru a travel agent, they will tell u its only good for 30 days yet every time ( for the last 4 years) she as always gotten 60 days. "Flown in, she got 30 days Visa free allowance." = The Immigration officers made a mistake! Can happen. My GF got, flown in, since this 15/14 days Visa free allowance for Cambodians is possible, always the 2 weeks stamped in her Passport not 30 days. Tourist Visa for Cambodians 60 days, yes. Tried that also. Visa agents my GF used, never mentioned only a 30 days limit. -Phuketrichard- Anyway, no big problem to bring our Cambo. GFs into TH or Thai GFs into Cambodia, so why care small formalities. Edited February 26, 2013 by ALFREDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 This service may be all well and good yet a direct bus service between Karon and Patong would be better patronized. Oh wait, the tuk tuk mafia control this route so it will never happen!And the taxi feckers! they drive on the centre line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickjn Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Great idea and about time~~ I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Since Cambodia and Thailand drive on different sides of the road, the bus is going to have wheel on the wrong side for part of the journey (probably the Camb segment) which is something of a safety issue.... Well... under EU regulation UK citizens can drive in around rest of the Europe with out any problems as long as they have international insurance of course... When Ireland joined the EU it was suggested that they move from driving on the left to the right to conform with most of the union but this was thought to be too much of a culture shock for the Irish people. So they reconsidered and planned to introduce it gradually instead....... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemerou Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Bumping the thread to know if anyone tried the bus service already and what their opinion is ? Currently looking for the best way to go BKK-PNH (without flying). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJAS Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) Since Cambodia and Thailand drive on different sides of the road, the bus is going to have wheel on the wrong side for part of the journey (probably the Camb segment) which is something of a safety issue.... Well... under EU regulation UK citizens can drive in around rest of the Europe with out any problems as long as they have international insurance of course... A key difference between driving in a right-hand-drive vehicle from the UK into France and from Thailand into Cambodia is, of course, that, in the case of the former, there is that great big body of seawater known as the English Channel to navigate first by ferry or Le Shuttle before making the switch. In the case of the latter, however, the switch is presumably made right away at the border. So Sheryl's safety concerns may well be valid - especially if there is no organised system for managing the change at the border, as distinct from a chaotic collision-prone free-for-all. Edited May 1, 2013 by OJAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocoa01 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Has anyone taken the BKK - PP bus? Is so how did the Visa for Cambodia work out at the border? I am considering taking the bus and purchasing my Cambodia Visa in advance via the E-Visa Cambodian website to avoid the drama at the border immigration office? Any adivce, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomtomtom69 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Battambang to PP in 4 hours?? In a Ferrari maybe!! Battambang to PP is now 5.5 to 6.5 hours by bus. Big improvement over the old days of 12-13 hours (early 2000s). No way can it be done in 4. I've done it in less than 3 doing up to 130km/h just last week with a crazy driver. It's definitely possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifthcolumn Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 http://www.mfaic.gov.kh/evisa/ E-Visa 28 USD total as opposed to 20 USD at border but save some queuing and negotiations... Works for PoiPet Except there is no queue and has not been a queue for years. As for negotiations, the word is, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifthcolumn Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I was going to combine visa run with trip to Angkor with wife. She called bus company and was told I should have my visa prior. What the reality is on the ground, who knows. I am dure every bus has at least a few farang without visa unless they clear that up before ticket purchase. Maybe if you can get the visa before the bus leaves you move on, if not, they dump you in Poipet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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