transam Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 ALL women lie And blokes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancealot Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 There is a big difference between a mere white lie and a secret that can destroy a relation. I just love rationalizations. So where do you draw the line? Is it when you find out that her brother is not really her brother, or when you find out that the money she asked for yesterday did not get used for it's intended purpose? Sorry, if someone is going to lie about small things do you really think they would have any compunction in lying about big things too? If so, I wish you luck. Where do YOU draw the line? I have left the 'scene' and went on a trip to search for normal and respectable people in Thailand. Didn't take me long to find them. Learn the language and get involved . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 The most commonly used lie in Thailand probably is "rot dtit". Usually used without an apology. Key Mo Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancealot Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 "white lies" is actually an english expression. Duh. This whole thread is made of "English expressions." If Thais are so far in denial about their white lies and even black lies that they don't have a term for it, it doesn't change the fact that they do it culturally. How about < Thai script removed, this is the English language side of the forum, if you need to post in Thai, go over to the Thai language forum > True, true Mr. Neversure. So i suggest splitting these lies in two forms; 1 Lies to safe face(which is culturally acceptable) 2 Lies to defend survival in order to earn as much money as they can during their golden years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancealot Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) The most commonly used lie in Thailand probably is "rot dtit". Usually used without an apology. Key Mo Mark ^ ^ Chaaai! Menmen makmak duwaai.. Edited March 2, 2013 by Dancealot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegee Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I wear belt and suspenders and never believe my wife. i know what the belt is for.....but WHAT do the suspenders hold up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotto Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Much rather know the truth? But i am sure thers the odd porkie pie thrown in occasionally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 There is a big difference between a mere white lie and a secret that can destroy a relation. I just love rationalizations. So where do you draw the line? Is it when you find out that her brother is not really her brother, or when you find out that the money she asked for yesterday did not get used for it's intended purpose? Sorry, if someone is going to lie about small things do you really think they would have any compunction in lying about big things too? If so, I wish you luck. Where do YOU draw the line? I have left the 'scene' and went on a trip to search for normal and respectable people in Thailand. Didn't take me long to find them. Learn the language and get involved . Not sure l understand your post. I don't speak Lao/Thai (me brain dead), BUT, from body language and eyes l can instinctively know whats going on. Always clarify with her in doors regarding my assumptions, , usually l am right. PS. Glad I don't speak Thai cos if they thought l did the conversations would be very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWMcMurray Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) No lies ever??? Sure that would be a recipe for disaster for any relationship "Honey do these pants make my butt look big?" Truthful answer may be ... No the pants are fine... It's the 10kg you put on after the 3rd child that makes you look fat... How do you think that would go over in any country with a woman of any nationality? If it is a small white lie that is said not to hurt some ones feelings or is it a lie that is made to hide some dirty dark secret that if known would be seen as a betrayal of trust. Would venture the first is ok and sometimes needed in any relation while the second should not happen in any healthy relationship Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Edited March 2, 2013 by CWMcMurray 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 No lies ever??? Sure that would be a recipe for disaster for any relationship "Honey do these pants make my butt look big?" Truthful answer may be ... No the pants are fine... It's the 10kg you put on after the 3rd child that makes you look fat... How do you think that would go over in any country with a woman of any nationality? If it is a small white lie that is said not to hurt some ones feelings or is it a lie that is made to hide some dirty dark secret that if known would be seen as a betrayal of trust. Would venture the first is ok and sometimes needed in any relation while the second should not happen in any healthy relationship Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Rubbish, l told my mrs yesterday her ass was getting enormous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amusements Posted March 2, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2013 To me a relationship is built on trust, so the answer is NO. Hence the reason I am now single:) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancealot Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I wear belt and suspenders and never believe my wife. i know what the belt is for.....but WHAT do the suspenders hold up? Look again http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/623014-in-a-relationship-are-lies-acceptable/#entry6165386 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommoPhysicist Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 To me a relationship is built on trust, so the answer is NO. Hence the reason I am now single:) You won't like it in Thailand then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgent Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Maudib your are 100% correct. the thing with thai lady they never admit they are lieing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattayadingo Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I dislike liars of any nationality yet there are always liars about. If a relationship only survives because of lies it is a piss poor relationship. Are some lies acceptable? Yes, but depending on the circumstances - did he/she die in agony? They will generally answer No. Isn't that acceptable? In a relationship there will be some untruths and a relationship with many Thai women tends to lead to a lot more lies IMHO and from previous experiences. That is not acceptable to me but to them it seems the norm in the majority of cases. Yes, I've terminated relationships here because of lies and will do so again in the future. Though I can accept the odd lie as no-one is perfect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Not only are some lies acceptable but they are essential. Many even believe their own lies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Thai Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 It depends on whether the lie was in answer to a question or not. If you asked a question, then she in entitled to lie to you. A womans number 1 priority is to keep her man happy. If you ask her a question and she knows that the truth will make you unhappy, then she should tell a lie in order to prevent you from becoming unhappy. If she is telling you lies, then It's all your fault for asking her questions in the first place. Ask her no questions and she will tell you no lies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I wear belt and suspenders and never believe my wife. No shorts? Quite right. The road to wrack and ruin, strong drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 It depends on whether the lie was in answer to a question or not. If you asked a question, then she in entitled to lie to you. A womans number 1 priority is to keep her man happy. If you ask her a question and she knows that the truth will make you unhappy, then she should tell a lie in order to prevent you from becoming unhappy. If she is telling you lies, then It's all your fault for asking her questions in the first place. Ask her no questions and she will tell you no lies. Your 15 eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) It depends on whether the lie was in answer to a question or not. If you asked a question, then she in entitled to lie to you. A womans number 1 priority is to keep her man happy. If you ask her a question and she knows that the truth will make you unhappy, then she should tell a lie in order to prevent you from becoming unhappy. If she is telling you lies, then It's all your fault for asking her questions in the first place. Ask her no questions and she will tell you no lies. If you need to ask the question, it;'s probably not worth asking. But it's only deceitful if she expected you to believe it... Unfortunately, Thais need to learn the same. If you're not going to like the answer, don't ask the question... Edited March 2, 2013 by StreetCowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancealot Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 It depends on whether the lie was in answer to a question or not. If you asked a question, then she in entitled to lie to you. A womans number 1 priority is to keep her man happy. If you ask her a question and she knows that the truth will make you unhappy, then she should tell a lie in order to prevent you from becoming unhappy. If she is telling you lies, then It's all your fault for asking her questions in the first place. Ask her no questions and she will tell you no lies. If you need to ask the question, it;'s probably not worth asking. But it's only deceitful if she expected you to believe it... Unfortunately, Thais need to learn the same. If you're not going to like the answer, don't ask the question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Famous US Policy...about the only one I agree with...Trust but Verify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradavarius37 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Everyone has lied at some point - those who say they have never are proving this point lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct99q Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Asked my wife if she ever lies.....she stated if You believe I have lied to you then you know the truth. If I say I have never lied to you would you believe me? I think she is saying she has never lied to me........still trying to figure this one out though??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1dna Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. it's a balancing act. Thais get it. Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marstons Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 her mouth moves so that would be a yes yes and no answers to the questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) In Thai culture and politics, 'white lies' are ok. "white lies" is actually an english expression. Definition given by Google is "A harmless or trivial lie, esp. one told to avoid hurting someone's feelings" Basically, while lying is something that should be avoided, western culture still consider that sometime it can be tolerated. Nothing to do with Thai culture or politic. white lies, are unique to caucasians a convicing liar is also known as a politician. i do say the occasional porkie , it is a part of the survival strategy. i never go lady bar , darling . Edited March 2, 2013 by elliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) In Thai culture and politics, 'white lies' are ok.I was once told by a wise old man, that sometimes it is kinder to lie than to tell the absolute truth. Depends on the circumstances no matter which culture we come from and considering that if we were always upfront and told some people exactly our thoughts and what we really think of them, we would be very lonely indeed. Edited March 2, 2013 by Beetlejuice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancealot Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Tactless people end up to be lonely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiameseCurios Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 ALL women lie Some truth in that. There are lots of Thai women who lie and then lie a bit more and then lie even more and then lie to the point where their entire existence is a lie. I really pity farangs who talk loudly about their "lovely" Thai GF's/wives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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