Dognappers - A Word Of Warning To Dog Owners

[Spalpeen]

Amazing that this country seems to have no requirements for dog licencing, number of dogs permitted, and I wonder if there is a dog inspector anywhere?

In Australia, most states allow 2 dogs on one property, both licenced, unspayed females often cost more, and if you really want three or more dogs, you become a dog breeder and need to move out to a rural property.

......which is one of the main reasons I live in Thailand. Who wants to live in a country where the state thinks it has a right to interfere in everything you do? The Australian government would do better to concern itself with rabbits, foxes, cane toads, camels, rats and all the other non native species that the Australians turned loose, rather than counting domestic dogs.

[masuk]

Amazing that this country seems to have no requirements for dog licencing, number of dogs permitted, and I wonder if there is a dog inspector anywhere?

In Australia, most states allow 2 dogs on one property, both licenced, unspayed females often cost more, and if you really want three or more dogs, you become a dog breeder and need to move out to a rural property.

......which is one of the main reasons I live in Thailand. Who wants to live in a country

where the state thinks it has a right to interfere in everything you do? The Australian government would do better to concern itself with rabbits, foxes, cane toads, camels, rats and all the other non native species that the Australians turned loose, rather than counting domestic dogs.

The states are doing the job they're elected to do, to get a bit of law and order into things, amongst which are not having people woken at all hours by untrained pooches, inconsiderate owners, (licencing, dog inspectors) regulating traffic, drivers, (speed cameras, light cameras, driver training) pollution.

I like it here too, but there are a few things which could be improved.

As a matter of interest, it was not Australians who introduced rabbits, foxes, rats, weeds, cats and so on into the country.

[simple1]

Amazing that this country seems to have no requirements for dog licencing, number of dogs permitted, and I wonder if there is a dog inspector anywhere?

In Australia, most states allow 2 dogs on one property, both licenced, unspayed females often cost more, and if you really want three or more dogs, you become a dog breeder and need to move out to a rural property.

Depends where you live in Thailand. Amphur Nong Prue, Chon Buri, does have a facility to raise a complaint if dogs are causing a nuisance & Moo Baan house owners are officially limited to two dogs. If dogs are keeping you awake throughout the night with their barking and no action taken by the owner, after your request, Nong Prue will visit the Moo Baan & ask neighbours if they experiencing the same problem. If a warning given to the dog owner is not acted upon the Amphur will remove the nuisance dog/s. The challenge is for the Thai neighbours to confirm the dogs are a nuisance.

Edited March 6, 2013 by simple1

[topt]

Amazing that this country seems to have no requirements for dog licencing, number of dogs permitted, and I wonder if there is a dog inspector anywhere?

In Australia, most states allow 2 dogs on one property, both licenced, unspayed females often cost more, and if you really want three or more dogs, you become a dog breeder and need to move out to a rural property.

Depends where you live in Thailand. Amphur Nong Prue, Chon Buri, does have a facility to raise a complaint if dogs are causing a nuisance & Moo Baan house owners are officially limited to two dogs. If dogs are keeping you awake throughout the night with their barking and no action taken by the owner, after your request, Nong Prue will visit the Moo Baan & ask neighbours if they experiencing the same problem. If a warning given to the dog owner is not acted upon the Amphur will remove the nuisance dog/s. The challenge is for the Thai neighbours to confirm the dogs are a nuisance.

That is very interesting and thanks for bringing it to my attention - I can use it as another reason to say no when my gf wants to add a cute puppy to the two we already have..... Notwithstanding that several houses in the Moobaan already have about 4 yappy dogs each!

Edited March 6, 2013 by topt

[lemoncake]

thats really weird story. I would suggest to her that it might be someone she knows, only because those who steal dogs and cats, usually do it to sell them. If it was not a puppy or a rare breed(which this one is not) there is no reason for it.

rare breed no, apparently it is a pure bred hand bag dog, and god knows those aren't popular here, are they?that said, they fact that they are in contact would suggest it is someone they know more than anything you have pointed out

Sorry i am confused, are you re-writing the same thing i wrote? or you telling me, i am wrong by telling me the same thing i wrote?

i too am sorry you are confused.read it again. twice. slowly.i am disagreeing with you. wholeheartedly.

Feel free to apologize, seeing as I was right

[mogy]

I heared of this before, several years ago. Frind of mine had a burglary in his bar in Jomtien, and the only item missing was his beloved dog. Didn't get it back despite spreading leaflets over half the country. I have a large Pitbull female as well, and when I'm outdoors with her, I keep an eye on her all the time. Not that I'm afraid that she attacks people, I know my dog. I'm afraid she could be stolen.

When you out, you let your pitbul walk off leash?

That is a prime example of responsible and sensible dog ownership

How can you make an stupid comment like above without knowing Potosi or the dog ?

You know I'd wager you're clueless about dogs and have that pitbull for show, possibly trained to attack with ears and tail cut ?...correct me if I'm wrong about any of the previous.

[darrendsd]

Amazing that this country seems to have no requirements for dog licencing, number of dogs permitted, and I wonder if there is a dog inspector anywhere?

In Australia, most states allow 2 dogs on one property, both licenced, unspayed females often cost more, and if you really want three or more dogs, you become a dog breeder and need to move out to a rural property.

Depends where you live in Thailand. Amphur Nong Prue, Chon Buri, does have a facility to raise a complaint if dogs are causing a nuisance & Moo Baan house owners are officially limited to two dogs. If dogs are keeping you awake throughout the night with their barking and no action taken by the owner, after your request, Nong Prue will visit the Moo Baan & ask neighbours if they experiencing the same problem. If a warning given to the dog owner is not acted upon the Amphur will remove the nuisance dog/s. The challenge is for the Thai neighbours to confirm the dogs are a nuisance.

Same here in Hua Hin, I had a problem with a neighbours dog barking non stop which despite me asking then to sort it out they refused to do, I visited the Tessaban who went to the dog owners house the very next morning and talked to them, since then the situation is a lot better

[JaiLai]

Amazing that this country seems to have no requirements for dog licencing, number of dogs permitted, and I wonder if there is a dog inspector anywhere?

In Australia, most states allow 2 dogs on one property, both licenced, unspayed females often cost more, and if you really want three or more dogs, you become a dog breeder and need to move out to a rural property.

Depends where you live in Thailand. Amphur Nong Prue, Chon Buri, does have a facility to raise a complaint if dogs are causing a nuisance & Moo Baan house owners are officially limited to two dogs. If dogs are keeping you awake throughout the night with their barking and no action taken by the owner, after your request, Nong Prue will visit the Moo Baan & ask neighbours if they experiencing the same problem. If a warning given to the dog owner is not acted upon the Amphur will remove the nuisance dog/s. The challenge is for the Thai neighbours to confirm the dogs are a nuisance.

Sounds good in theory however i would be surprised if you can say you have actually witnessed a nuisance dog being removed - i would think NOT.

[simple1]

Amazing that this country seems to have no requirements for dog licencing, number of dogs permitted, and I wonder if there is a dog inspector anywhere?

In Australia, most states allow 2 dogs on one property, both licenced, unspayed females often cost more, and if you really want three or more dogs, you become a dog breeder and need to move out to a rural property.

Depends where you live in Thailand. Amphur Nong Prue, Chon Buri, does have a facility to raise a complaint if dogs are causing a nuisance & Moo Baan house owners are officially limited to two dogs. If dogs are keeping you awake throughout the night with their barking and no action taken by the owner, after your request, Nong Prue will visit the Moo Baan & ask neighbours if they experiencing the same problem. If a warning given to the dog owner is not acted upon the Amphur will remove the nuisance dog/s. The challenge is for the Thai neighbours to confirm the dogs are a nuisance.

Sounds good in theory however i would be surprised if you can say you have actually witnessed a nuisance dog being removed - i would think NOT.

Never got to that point as the Thai householders handled the issue in their own manner. As I said the challenge in my experience is to get the locals to go through the Amphur process. Wife's Thai family informed me they had success with the Amphur that's why we spoke with the Amphur, different Moo Baan, but I did not witness the event.

[lemoncake]

I heared of this before, several years ago. Frind of mine had a burglary in his bar in Jomtien, and the only item missing was his beloved dog. Didn't get it back despite spreading leaflets over half the country. I have a large Pitbull female as well, and when I'm outdoors with her, I keep an eye on her all the time. Not that I'm afraid that she attacks people, I know my dog. I'm afraid she could be stolen.

When you out, you let your pitbul walk off leash?

That is a prime example of responsible and sensible dog ownership

How can you make an stupid comment like above without knowing Potosi or the dog ?

You know I'd wager you're clueless about dogs and have that pitbull for show, possibly trained to attack with ears and tail cut ?...correct me if I'm wrong about any of the previous.

Maaaan, it must be a darwins awards week this week

Potosi stated "I have a large Pitbull female as well, and when I'm outdoors with her, I keep an eye on her all the time. Not that I'm afraid that she attacks people, I know my dog. I'm afraid she could be stolen."

Translation of that is, he has a pitbul which he walks outside off the leash, because if she was leashed he would not need to worry about dog being stolen, nor would he need to keep an eye on her as she is leashed and with him.

[bangkokrick]

thats really weird story.

I would suggest to her that it might be someone she knows, only because those who steal dogs and cats, usually do it to sell them.

If it was not a puppy or a rare breed(which this one is not) there is no reason for it.

rare breed no, apparently it is a pure bred hand bag dog, and god knows those aren't popular here, are they?

that said, they fact that they are in contact would suggest it is someone they know more than anything you have pointed out

Nope, not anybody they knew. It was apparently some teenagers getting their kicks. They saw a flyer asking for the pet back then saw the posts on facebook. They got nervous the police would be called so decided to give the dog back.

They got their dog back last night.

And yes, this happens quite often here from what I now understand.

Great news thanks for the update.

[Beetlejuice]

My dogs are never allowed off the confines of the property and have full access to the house, although we do have large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in.

In Thailand, anyone that really cares about the welfare of their dogs, should do the same.

In this case the owner was fortunate that the dogs were not transported up country for the dog meat markets and extremely lucky that this story has a happy ending.

[JaiLai]

I heared of this before, several years ago. Frind of mine had a burglary in his bar in Jomtien, and the only item missing was his beloved dog. Didn't get it back despite spreading leaflets over half the country. I have a large Pitbull female as well, and when I'm outdoors with her, I keep an eye on her all the time. Not that I'm afraid that she attacks people, I know my dog. I'm afraid she could be stolen.

When you out, you let your pitbul walk off leash?

That is a prime example of responsible and sensible dog ownership

What about all the other 1000's of dogs that the locals own, you'd be struggling to find even one of them to own a leash.

Pitbulls are only dog aggressive ( unless trained otherwise ) so if a couple of scabby local dogs did come accross a Pit off a leash i would say the Pit would be doing everyone in Thailand a favour bby reducing the number of stray scabby dogs about.

My biggest concern would be the poor Pit catching some ungodly disease while sinking his/her killer fangs in to one of these flea ridden strays!

Pits as a breed have a bad name and are generally a lot scarier looking that their personality.

It's pathetic here the amount of strays, i drive perhaps about 5kms on my bike in the mornings and count more than 40 dogs on the way and that's only on one side of the road and the ones i notice - insane!!

[topt]

My dogs are never allowed off the confines of the property and have full access to the house, although we do have large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in.

In Thailand, anyone that really cares about the welfare of their dogs, should do the same.

In this case the owner was fortunate that the dogs were not transported up country for the dog meat markets and extremely lucky that this story has a happy ending.

Depending on the exercise needs of the dogs not everybody may be as fortunate in having " large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in."

It could be either very limiting or you have the equivalent of a country estate!

[JaiLai]

My dogs are never allowed off the confines of the property and have full access to the house, although we do have large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in.

In Thailand, anyone that really cares about the welfare of their dogs, should do the same.

In this case the owner was fortunate that the dogs were not transported up country for the dog meat markets and extremely lucky that this story has a happy ending.

Don't think a Polmeranian would fetch much on the dog meat market, perhaps 2-3kg in body weight....

[lemoncake]

I heared of this before, several years ago. Frind of mine had a burglary in his bar in Jomtien, and the only item missing was his beloved dog. Didn't get it back despite spreading leaflets over half the country. I have a large Pitbull female as well, and when I'm outdoors with her, I keep an eye on her all the time. Not that I'm afraid that she attacks people, I know my dog. I'm afraid she could be stolen.

When you out, you let your pitbul walk off leash?

That is a prime example of responsible and sensible dog ownership

What about all the other 1000's of dogs that the locals own, you'd be struggling to find even one of them to own a leash.

Pitbulls are only dog aggressive ( unless trained otherwise ) so if a couple of scabby local dogs did come accross a Pit off a leash i would say the Pit would be doing everyone in Thailand a favour bby reducing the number of stray scabby dogs about.

My biggest concern would be the poor Pit catching some ungodly disease while sinking his/her killer fangs in to one of these flea ridden strays!

Pits as a breed have a bad name and are generally a lot scarier looking that their personality.

It's pathetic here the amount of strays, i drive perhaps about 5kms on my bike in the mornings and count more than 40 dogs on the way and that's only on one side of the road and the ones i notice - insane!!

Are we talking about street dogs? are we talking about anything else but 1 individual who claims to walk his pitbul off leash in public

[lemoncake]

thats really weird story.

I would suggest to her that it might be someone she knows, only because those who steal dogs and cats, usually do it to sell them.

If it was not a puppy or a rare breed(which this one is not) there is no reason for it.

rare breed no, apparently it is a pure bred hand bag dog, and god knows those aren't popular here, are they?

that said, they fact that they are in contact would suggest it is someone they know more than anything you have pointed out

Nope, not anybody they knew. It was apparently some teenagers getting their kicks. They saw a flyer asking for the pet back then saw the posts on facebook. They got nervous the police would be called so decided to give the dog back.

They got their dog back last night.

And yes, this happens quite often here from what I now understand.

Great news thanks for the update.

and you are one of the teenagers so you know exactly what they felt and why they returned the dog, right?

[mogy]

@lemoncake: Maaaaan, you're on a contradictory roll with this thread.....right ??

[JaiLai]

I heared of this before, several years ago. Frind of mine had a burglary in his bar in Jomtien, and the only item missing was his beloved dog. Didn't get it back despite spreading leaflets over half the country. I have a large Pitbull female as well, and when I'm outdoors with her, I keep an eye on her all the time. Not that I'm afraid that she attacks people, I know my dog. I'm afraid she could be stolen.

When you out, you let your pitbul walk off leash?

That is a prime example of responsible and sensible dog ownership

What about all the other 1000's of dogs that the locals own, you'd be struggling to find even one of them to own a leash.

Pitbulls are only dog aggressive ( unless trained otherwise ) so if a couple of scabby local dogs did come accross a Pit off a leash i would say the Pit would be doing everyone in Thailand a favour bby reducing the number of stray scabby dogs about.

My biggest concern would be the poor Pit catching some ungodly disease while sinking his/her killer fangs in to one of these flea ridden strays!

Pits as a breed have a bad name and are generally a lot scarier looking that their personality.

It's pathetic here the amount of strays, i drive perhaps about 5kms on my bike in the mornings and count more than 40 dogs on the way and that's only on one side of the road and the ones i notice - insane!!

Are we talking about street dogs? are we talking about anything else but 1 individual who claims to walk his pitbul off leash in public

He says he walks it's 'outside' that may well mean miles away from any built up area with people / dogs, where does it say he walks it in "public"?

Street dogs are scum.

[Beetlejuice]

My dogs are never allowed off the confines of the property and have full access to the house, although we do have large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in.

In Thailand, anyone that really cares about the welfare of their dogs, should do the same.

In this case the owner was fortunate that the dogs were not transported up country for the dog meat markets and extremely lucky that this story has a happy ending.

Depending on the exercise needs of the dogs not everybody may be as fortunate in having " large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in."

It could be either very limiting or you have the equivalent of a country estate!

Dogs should not be allowed to roam outside where they are at risk of harm and can be a nuisance to others and if the dogs are taken out, they must be on a leash at all times. This is all part of being a responsible and caring dog owner.

If not in a situation to provide a suitable environment, than don`t have dogs. This applies anywhere in the world and for all types of pets. Dogs are hard work and require a lot of love, care and attention, plus can prove expensive if the dog is cared for properly.

If you do not have a large enough premises to accommodate a dog, than get a hamster or a goldfish. It`s that simple.

[topt]

My dogs are never allowed off the confines of the property and have full access to the house, although we do have large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in.

In Thailand, anyone that really cares about the welfare of their dogs, should do the same.

In this case the owner was fortunate that the dogs were not transported up country for the dog meat markets and extremely lucky that this story has a happy ending.

Depending on the exercise needs of the dogs not everybody may be as fortunate in having " large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in."

It could be either very limiting or you have the equivalent of a country estate!

Dogs should not be allowed to roam outside where they are at risk of harm and can be a nuisance to others and if the dogs are taken out, they must be on a leash at all times. This is all part of being a responsible and caring dog owner.

If not in a situation to provide a suitable environment, than don`t have dogs. This applies anywhere in the world and for all types of pets. Dogs are hard work and require a lot of love, care and attention, plus can prove expensive if the dog is cared for properly.

If you do not have a large enough premises to accommodate a dog, than get a hamster or a goldfish. It`s that simple.

I guess it may be semantics and the definition of "roam" as you actually said "My dogs are never allowed off the confines of the property" which is where I was coming from and could not agree with.

[Beetlejuice]

My dogs are never allowed off the confines of the property and have full access to the house, although we do have large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in.

In Thailand, anyone that really cares about the welfare of their dogs, should do the same.

In this case the owner was fortunate that the dogs were not transported up country for the dog meat markets and extremely lucky that this story has a happy ending.

Depending on the exercise needs of the dogs not everybody may be as fortunate in having " large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in."

It could be either very limiting or you have the equivalent of a country estate!

Dogs should not be allowed to roam outside where they are at risk of harm and can be a nuisance to others and if the dogs are taken out, they must be on a leash at all times. This is all part of being a responsible and caring dog owner.

If not in a situation to provide a suitable environment, than don`t have dogs. This applies anywhere in the world and for all types of pets. Dogs are hard work and require a lot of love, care and attention, plus can prove expensive if the dog is cared for properly.

If you do not have a large enough premises to accommodate a dog, than get a hamster or a goldfish. It`s that simple.

I guess it may be semantics and the definition of "roam" as you actually said "My dogs are never allowed off the confines of the property" which is where I was coming from and could not agree with.

Than we are both agreed.

As for the incident involving the OP, perhaps this has been a lesson well learned.

[JaiLai]

My dogs are never allowed off the confines of the property and have full access to the house, although we do have large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in.

In Thailand, anyone that really cares about the welfare of their dogs, should do the same.

In this case the owner was fortunate that the dogs were not transported up country for the dog meat markets and extremely lucky that this story has a happy ending.

Depending on the exercise needs of the dogs not everybody may be as fortunate in having " large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in."

It could be either very limiting or you have the equivalent of a country estate!

Dogs should not be allowed to roam outside where they are at risk of harm and can be a nuisance to others and if the dogs are taken out, they must be on a leash at all times. This is all part of being a responsible and caring dog owner.

If not in a situation to provide a suitable environment, than don`t have dogs. This applies anywhere in the world and for all types of pets. Dogs are hard work and require a lot of love, care and attention, plus can prove expensive if the dog is cared for properly.

If you do not have a large enough premises to accommodate a dog, than get a hamster or a goldfish. It`s that simple.

See in bold - 90% or more Thais fit into this category, wish they would not have dogs.

As you say it can become expensive and time consuming, i have 4, keeping up with their jabs / food bills / etc soon adds up to a fair bit every month. This is what winds me up, no one bothers to take care of the strays, they throw them food and think it's cute but it's not, they are just adding to the problem of strays! Some of the strays you see about are in a terrible condition - not good. I guess you just can't educate the Thais about this???

[lemoncake]

My dogs are never allowed off the confines of the property and have full access to the house, although we do have large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in.

In Thailand, anyone that really cares about the welfare of their dogs, should do the same.

In this case the owner was fortunate that the dogs were not transported up country for the dog meat markets and extremely lucky that this story has a happy ending.

Irrespective Thailand or not, any responsible and loving owner, should take his/her dogs for walks on daily basis(even twice per day) instead of locking them up in the yard 24 hours per day, 365 days per year.

You right though, dog snatchers usually look for smallest dog around with owner to snatch and sell for meat

[lemoncake]

My dogs are never allowed off the confines of the property and have full access to the house, although we do have large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in.

In Thailand, anyone that really cares about the welfare of their dogs, should do the same.

In this case the owner was fortunate that the dogs were not transported up country for the dog meat markets and extremely lucky that this story has a happy ending.

Depending on the exercise needs of the dogs not everybody may be as fortunate in having " large secured grounds for the dogs to roam about in."

It could be either very limiting or you have the equivalent of a country estate!

Dogs should not be allowed to roam outside where they are at risk of harm and can be a nuisance to others and if the dogs are taken out, they must be on a leash at all times. This is all part of being a responsible and caring dog owner.

If not in a situation to provide a suitable environment, than don`t have dogs. This applies anywhere in the world and for all types of pets. Dogs are hard work and require a lot of love, care and attention, plus can prove expensive if the dog is cared for properly.

If you do not have a large enough premises to accommodate a dog, than get a hamster or a goldfish. It`s that simple.

All those French and Australian and Americans clearly have no idea, to have dog parks where dogs can run and play free and off leash

Dog does not need any space, dog only needs daily exercise walks and the bigger the dog the less space it needs.

There is a good reason, why in Paris so many have dogs in their tiny apartments, and usually the smaller the unit the larger the dog is.

[Beetlejuice]

Another strong point that people, especially ex-pats need educating about:

Is that a dog is for life and if have no intentions of staying in Thailand or is unable to guarantee they’re stay in Thailand for at least 15 years after they acquire a puppy, than again, don`t get a dog, because during a dog’s lifetime, which maybe up to 15 years or more, it is extremely difficult to find new homes for dogs in Thailand and the dog could be left abandoned and made to incur severe suffering.

My message is for anyone considering becoming a dog owner, is to take everything into consideration regarding the dog’s welfare and to, think, think, think, first.

[Arkady]

Nobody has ever tried to scoop up my two Thai Bangkaew dogs. Thais seem to have a healthy respect for this breed that loves its owners but distrusts everyone and everything else and never hesitates for a second to go into battle, even against overwhelming odds. Mine even hate each other.

I would add that they're never allowed off the property without a leash.

Edited March 7, 2013 by Arkady

[JaiLai]

Nobody has ever tried to scoop up my two Thai Bangkaew dogs. Thais seem to have a healthy respect for this breed that loves its owners but distrusts everyone and everything else and never hesitates for a second to go into battle, even against overwhelming odds. Mine even hate each other.

I would add that they're never allowed off the property without a leash.

Yes, Bangkeaw's are loyal beyond belief, great dogs!

[Chang_paarp]

A friend of mine had dogs that he kept in his yard. The neighbours way of complaining was to throw bait over the fence.

[lemoncake]

Nobody has ever tried to scoop up my two Thai Bangkaew dogs. Thais seem to have a healthy respect for this breed that loves its owners but distrusts everyone and everything else and never hesitates for a second to go into battle, even against overwhelming odds. Mine even hate each other.

I would add that they're never allowed off the property without a leash.

Yes, Bangkeaw's are loyal beyond belief, great dogs!

They also have sharp teeth and happy to use them

Just had my neighbors pup bite the crap out of me, while i was helping to train him.

5 months old, spoiled rotten, already big boy.

Very adorable, and love him to death , he comes for daily walks with my dogs, but the little shit bites really hard