Abhisit's Key Goal Is Ousting Thaksin From Politics

[rubl]

Attempting to make excuses for the failure cannot change history......115 opposition politicians banned for 5 years.........Abhisit failed to get re-elected

111 TRT/PPP politicians banned for five years, mostly since May 2007. Obviously Pheu Thai managed without them.

Abhist re-elected as MP, this time party list if I remember correctly. His party lost a few seats, but still won 159 or 165 out of 500. With Pheu Thai having 263 a miracle would have been required to get him back as PM.

Clearly for all to see and very obviously it's all Abhisit's fault and I'm surprised no one went to a court to charge him for this failure

Anyway the topic is a key goal of Abhisit to oust Thaksin from politics. Can't envy him this task.

[jackspratt]

They banned 115 opposition politicians for 5 years......Abhisit failed to get the democrats re-elected and get rid of Thaksin......I wouldn't hold your breath.....

I'm not - but I have no doubt there are many thinking people around Thailand who are.

Then there is a good chance they will be very red in the face if getting rid of Thaksin is left to Abhisit..........

Perhaps then it will be left to those who are red in the shirt - for they will certainly wake up sooner rather than later about how their popular movement - initiated by Thaksin - is now being manipulated for his own nefarious ends.

Or even better, Abhisit could outlive Thanksin - say by about 25 years.

Edited March 23, 2013 by jackspratt

[473geo]

But we are led by the forum experts to believe the red shirts are solely controlled by Thaksin, despite efforts of myself and others to mention the fact that they are a separate entity who have chosen for their own ends to align with PTP. Now you are saying they may choose to change allegiance......how so? if they are controlled by Thaksin as the forum experts would have us believe?..........surely you cannot be flying in the face of the forum fossils by declaring the red shirts carry an agenda of their own.....that may or may not include Thaksin

[waza]

But we are led by the forum experts to believe the red shirts are solely controlled by Thaksin, despite efforts of myself and others to mention the fact that they are a separate entity who have chosen for their own ends to align with PTP. Now you are saying they may choose to change allegiance......how so? if they are controlled by Thaksin as the forum experts would have us believe?..........surely you cannot be flying in the face of the forum fossils by declaring the red shirts carry an agenda of their own.....that may or may not include Thaksin

Thaksin bought and own Redshirts leaders like Jatuporn Prompan, Nattawut Saikua, Veera Musikapong, Charan Ditthapichai and Weng Tojirakarn. But these guys have lost credibility and support due their subservience to the PTP and in particular Thaksin. The new UDD are led by Thida Thavornseth, husband of Weng, she was an outspoken critic of Thaksin while he was PM. Thida was made chairwoman of the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship in December 2010. Thida is considered a moderate leader, principally rejecting violence as a means of political action and made it a more independent organisation. THe UDD still support Thaksin, but Thida was there at the center of the Bangkok riot, heard the phone ins of support and encouragement. Then saw how quickly Thaksin walked away from the organisation, post riot saying, "Who are they, I don't know them" Thaksin. While the Red leadership were arrested and jailed including her husband.

So my point is the PTP cant depend on the UDD for support, now they have to earn it. The price so far is political positions and amnesty for the Redshirts. However, If the relationship breaks down, the redshirt movement grows to big or the UDD decide to run their own candidates at the next election splitting the vote. Then the PTP will be as hamstrung as the Dems were the last election, when the PAD didn't support them.

Edited March 23, 2013 by waza

[Curt1591]

I wonder if the word "Thaksin" and the phrase "Men in Black" were removed from the vocabulary, would the democrats have anything to say?

[ZhouZhou]

......Abhisit failed to get the democrats re-elected and get rid of Thaksin......I wouldn't hold your breath.....

Could the reason he failed to get re-elected be because he wasn't prepared to make silly election promises that he knew would cost the country dearly?

the reason was most probably that he was unwanted.

[longway]

Then there is a good chance they will be very red in the face if getting rid of Thaksin is left to Abhisit..........

Perhaps Yingluck can finish the job off. Or will T get rid of her?

despite efforts of myself and others to mention the fact that they are a

separate entity who have chosen for their own ends to align with PTP.

Red shirts are not an entity, let alone separate.

the PTP cant depend on the UDD for support, now they have to earn it. The price so far is political positions and amnesty for the

Redshirts. However, If the relationship breaks down, the redshirt movement grows to big or the UDD decide to run their own candidates at the next election splitting the vote. Then the PTP will be as hamstrung as the Dems were the last election, when the PAD didn't support them.

In the last chiang mai elections i think the local red shirts ran a candidate who got a less than 2000 votes. As for the UDD they need the PTP more than the PTP needs them. I used to think it was the other way around, without Thaksin there is very little common ground between the various red shirt groupings IMO.

Edited March 26, 2013 by longway

[473geo]

Longway - if you are to continue to use the underhand method of editing out the original context, please learn how to do it without buggering up the quotes - thank you

[longway]

^ Underhand? Get a grip man. The quotes get buggered up by the software, I couldn't be bothered to try and change it with yours, it was just a couple of lines.

The point is trying to portray the red shirts as a 'separate entity' is completely inaccurate.

No need to make nasty allegations just because your fallacy has been pointed out to you, in fact you should thank me for making the effort to try and educate you.

Edited March 26, 2013 by longway

[473geo]

^ Underhand? Get a grip man. The quotes get buggered up by the software, I couldn't be bothered to try and change it with yours, it was just a couple of lines.

The point is trying to portray the red shirts as a 'separate entity' is completely inaccurate.

No need to make nasty allegations just because your fallacy has been pointed out to you, you should thank me for helping you.

How very strange criticism not well received you are of course welcome to your opinion, I guess if "couldn't be bothered" is seen as a reasonable excuse by you, then you are entitled to that opinion too. By the way a fact is not an allegation

[longway]

^ You are making less sense with every post. Is that supposed to be English?

All that went wrong with the quote function was that it went to second line before the end of the page, and I couldn't be bothered to change it as it makes no earthly difference to your fallacy that the red shirts can be called a separate entity. Sorry that criticism bothers you so much.

Take it on the chin. Pretty low down stuff from you so far. All this wriggling and nit picking about quote functions is rather childish is it not?