A_Traveller Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 This is getting just a tad silly. Any free trade advocate will agree that equality of access and opportunity is key to the free market, a fundamental foundation of Capitalism,but at the same time the same advocate will point out that dumping* is outside the permitted framework and will be subject to penalties. So since this has been the US position for many years and no successful appeal to WTO has been made as far as I'm aware, the position is what it is. I don't know since I'm not the chairman of the Chinese Apiculture Association, maybe ZZ is, if honey is one of the 22 products China is presently appealing to the WTO on. I am not in a position to comment as to the accuracy of the US claims except to note that this position has not been successfully challenged after over 10 years, despite at least two reviews. The tariffs are also province specific with some honey being subject to 25.88 percent to 57.13 percent on companies from Zhejiang, Jiangsu, Shanghai, Anhui, Heinan and Neimenggu. For companies from other provinces, the anti-dumping tariff is generally higher, up to 183.80 percent. *Dumping is the US position that Chinese honey is being exported under cost be that by subsidy or by other mechanism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZhouZhou Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 This is getting just a tad silly. Any free trade advocate will agree that equality of access and opportunity is key to the free market, a fundamental foundation of Capitalism,but at the same time the same advocate will point out that dumping* is outside the permitted framework and will be subject to penalties. So since this has been the US position for many years and no successful appeal to WTO has been made as far as I'm aware, the position is what it is. I don't know since I'm not the chairman of the Chinese Apiculture Association, maybe ZZ is, if honey is one of the 22 products China is presently appealing to the WTO on. I am not in a position to comment as to the accuracy of the US claims except to note that this position has not been successfully challenged after over 10 years, despite at least two reviews. The tariffs are also province specific with some honey being subject to 25.88 percent to 57.13 percent on companies from Zhejiang, Jiangsu, Shanghai, Anhui, Heinan and Neimenggu. For companies from other provinces, the anti-dumping tariff is generally higher, up to 183.80 percent. *Dumping is the US position that Chinese honey is being exported under cost be that by subsidy or by other mechanism. according to Chinese honey expert EyesWideOpen it are the wages paid to Chinese workers that makes Chinese honey so inexpensive.Fair global competition ??? Yeah I guess the US honey makers would have a tough time competing with Chinese honey workers getting a dollar a day, or what ever slave wages they are paid.. :-)which translates to that there are no pesky national socialist union scumbags that would prevent workers eager to do that job for a dollar doing that job for a dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Not a big fan of honey but here in Chiang Mai we have a honey shop that sells several different types of honey. This would indicate to me that there is more than one type honey made in a country. It would depend on the flowers they get the nectar out of. My question is when they say NZ honey or Ozzie honey are they saying there is only one kind of honey produced in those countries. Doesn't make much sense to me. Also the Bee pollen they sell in this store is it fake also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZhouZhou Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Not a big fan of honey but here in Chiang Mai we have a honey shop that sells several different types of honey. This would indicate to me that there is more than one type honey made in a country. It would depend on the flowers they get the nectar out of. My question is when they say NZ honey or Ozzie honey are they saying there is only one kind of honey produced in those countries. Doesn't make much sense to me. Also the Bee pollen they sell in this store is it fake also. yes different flowers different taste. sometimes the taste of honey that comes from a specific field of flowers the result is a funny taste that is not everyones taste. its a natural product so taste vary. honey you can buy locally from your bee keeper is maybe such a honey from a single flower source. honeys from big brand name companies you find in the supermarket shelves are often blended, a mixture of honey from various sources, various flowers, various regions. to create a product that taste always the same just like the supermarket tomatoes taste always the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryBird Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Sorry for saying the government of China which doesn't grant its citizens basic human rights are scumbags. I guess I am just ignorant to the ways of the east. Nevermind the fact that all of my friends from China are so happy to be gone from there, tell me horror story after horror story..This must all be selection bias.. Because, well.. China is just like every other country!! Their leaders are out for the best interests of the population. They won't do whatever they can get away with. I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackspratt Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Sorry for saying the government of China which doesn't grant its citizens basic human rights are scumbags. But that's not what you said, is it? Just stop dealing with China.. Short run it will hurt, but long run it will feel sooooo gooood.. They'll do whatever they can get away with..Let them change on their own. Scumbags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraSnakeNecktie Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 oops the Troll goofed and posted under his normal account. oh the shame 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesWideOpen Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) oops the Troll goofed and posted under his normal account. oh the shame It does seem a bit demeaning for zhouzhou/jackspratt the troll to get only two accounts mixed up. Maybe he has many more ?? lol Edited March 24, 2013 by EyesWideOpen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraSnakeNecktie Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 maybe he drank western country booze and got a bad hangover. He is probably out shopping now with his underwear on the outside of his trousers Skidmark city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 oops the Troll goofed and posted under his normal account. oh the shame It does seem a bit demeaning for zhouzhou/jackspratt the troll to get only two accounts mixed up. Maybe he has many more ?? lol Oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackspratt Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I see mum has let Curly, Larry and Moe loose on the home PC again. Just waiting now for Shemp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I see mum has let Curly, Larry and Moe loose on the home PC again. Just waiting now for Shemp. Right on queue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackspratt Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) I see mum has let Curly, Larry and Moe loose on the home PC again. Just waiting now for Shemp. Right on queue. My first thought was the bus queue - but then I figured, for you guys, it must be the far queue. Edited March 24, 2013 by jackspratt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraSnakeNecktie Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Found a new Profile pict for ya ZZ/JS/????? http://upinsmokeincense.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Skid_mark.213211523.jpg I would have loved to be there when you hit post and realized .......... Oh the humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOboe57 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Things seem to have taken a turn for the worse. Forum Member Zhouzhou has discovered national socialism in fake Chinese honey. What will be next? Maybe traces of communist residue found in Chinese Government? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 My first thought was the bus queue - but then I figured, for you guys, it must be the far queue. Not bad ! Going back to the topic, I wonder that no Thai smart trader appears to have spotted the opportunity to import Chinese honey, then relabel it and sell it for a 'sweet profit', as special OTOP-honey to all these Chinese tour-groups ? Perhaps they're too preoccupied with the Cambodian-to-Thai rice-trade scam scheme ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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