Maggie Thatcher Is Dead.

[cardholder]

I am from South Wales ,the miners destroyed themselves ,making it cheaper to import coal from Australia ,than produce it at home , and don't get me started on the disaster that was the strike ,now Scargill never lost out did he? living the life of riley afterwards all paid for by the union .,the miners may not have liked her but us ordinary workers respected her .

Us ordinary workers?

You don't speak for me when you say that, please rephrase to say that you respected her. The ordinary workers around me despised her.

Ordinary workers are individuals - not an homogenous group under someone's control.

I know some thinking 'ordinary workers' that admired Thatcher on a number of levels.

[7by7]

I believed that what she 'hated' about feminism was the notion that women should be given special treatment. She firmly believed that anyone could rise to the top by sheer hard work and merit; as she had done.

What hard work are you talking about? She was a politician, for God's sake. And she came out on top because she was given special treatment throughout her career, as a rare female conservative politician.

Yes, hard work; and prejudice.

The Conservative 'grandees' at the time were the last group who would have given special treatment to a woman!

[naboo]

I am from South Wales ,the miners destroyed themselves ,making it cheaper to import coal from Australia ,than produce it at home , and don't get me started on the disaster that was the strike ,now Scargill never lost out did he? living the life of riley afterwards all paid for by the union .,the miners may not have liked her but us ordinary workers respected her .

Us ordinary workers?

You don't speak for me when you say that, please rephrase to say that you respected her. The ordinary workers around me despised her.

Ordinary workers are individuals - not an homogenous group under someone's control.

I know some thinking 'ordinary workers' that admired Thatcher on a number of levels.

Exactly, "us ordinary workers" suggests thenervoussurgeon believes he can speak for all.

[Colonel_Mustard]

RIP Maggie.

She did plenty of good and make quite a number of mistakes but I really can't understand those that wish to celebrate the death of a fellow human being.

[7by7]

I am from South Wales ,the miners destroyed themselves ,making it cheaper to import coal from Australia ,than produce it at home , and don't get me started on the disaster that was the strike ,now Scargill never lost out did he? living the life of riley afterwards all paid for by the union .,the miners may not have liked her but us ordinary workers respected her .

Us ordinary workers?

You don't speak for me when you say that, please rephrase to say that you respected her. The ordinary workers around me despised her.

Ordinary workers are individuals - not an homogenous group under someone's control.

I know some thinking 'ordinary workers' that admired Thatcher on a number of levels.

Exactly, "us ordinary workers" suggests thenervoussurgeon believes he can speak for all.

Pot; kettle!

[smokie36]

I had no idea that EUFA listened to her! Nothing to do with Heysel then?

The actions of her government towards football and its working class roots was catastrophic as you should well know.

The cover up has already been apologised for many years later again as you well know.

Your comment is shameful.

[SteeleJoe]

RIP Maggie.

She did plenty of good and make quite a number of mistakes but I really can't understand those that wish to celebrate the death of a fellow human being.

Well, let's not be too idealistic (and hypocritical); just being a fellow human being doesn't merit anyone automatic regard or reverence or even respect on their passing - there have been plenty of people whose death can be seen as good news and while I personally find it sort of odd and creepy to celebrate a death, I wouldn't begrudge someone doing so for Mullah Omar or Pol Pot or Joe Stalin...now to put it in perspective, was Thatcher among that sort? I think not. But being a fellow human being doesn't give her any special protection from malice or spite - nor should it.

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[nontabury]

She made it possible for those with get up and go to earn their way out of poverty.

She stood firm when our dying industries tried to hold a gun to her throat.

She reformed the country and got us out of a pit of national debt.

Her only real mistake for me was Poll Tax but who has ridiculous Council Tax bills now? We all do.

RIP Maggie you were one of the greats.

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Agree with everything you say,however I would like to bring to your attention 7BY7 post no 82,regarding the Poll Tax,which is also very true.

[smokie36]

Selling off the council houses so the southerners could all buy gites in France and sell their properties to foreigners was all their idea too.

This comment alone shows your total ignorance of the South of England!

And about the right to buy, something I was against as it happens. Did no one in Scotland buy their council house.

Not in the manner many did in England. Funnily enough many couldn't afford to.

[marstons]

Having been around during the Thatcher yrs and suffered under her regime 8yrs out of work I can't say that I am sorry to read that she has passed away and I dont doubt that a lot of other people in my age bracket 50+ will feel the same way . !

I lost my job 3 times under Maggie's reign, I simply got off my arse and went and got another. The reason you were out of work for the 8 years was down to you not her.

RIP Maggie

[7by7]

I had no idea that EUFA listened to her! Nothing to do with Heysel then?

The actions of her government towards football and its working class roots was catastrophic as you should well know.

The cover up has already been apologised for many years later again as you well know.

Your comment is shameful.

What actions by her government against football and it's "working class routes?" (The first rules for what became Association Football were drawn up at Cambridge University; not very working class!)

What part did she play in the cover up?

I'll tell you something. On the night of 29th April 1985 I sat down to watch a football match on TV; on what I saw horrified me.

Then on 15th April 1989 I sat down to watch another football match. Do you know what my initial reaction to the events was? "Oh no; not again! Why must they do this? Why do a minority want to spoil it for the rest?"

It was only as events unfolded and details emerged, albeit 'edited' details to hide the culbability of the police in charge, that I saw that my initial reaction was wrong.

Am I ashamed of that initial reaction? No; I feel it was a natural one given the history of Liverpool fans and the and the prevalence of football related violence at the time. I am also sure that it was a reaction shared by most of those watching at the time.

What is shameful is that all these years later you use the disaster in an attempt to score pitiful debating points. You are the one who should be ashamed.

[smokie36]

I had no idea that EUFA listened to her! Nothing to do with Heysel then?

The actions of her government towards football and its working class roots was catastrophic as you should well know.

The cover up has already been apologised for many years later again as you well know.

Your comment is shameful.

What actions by her government against football and it's "working class routes?" (The first rules for what became Association Football were drawn up at Cambridge University; not very working class!)

What part did she play in the cover up?

I'll tell you something. On the night of 29th April 1985 I sat down to watch a football match on TV; on what I saw horrified me.

Then on 15th April 1989 I sat down to watch another football match. Do you know what my initial reaction to the events was? "Oh no; not again! Why must they do this? Why do a minority want to spoil it for the rest?"

It was only as events unfolded and details emerged, albeit 'edited' details to hide the culbability of the police in charge, that I saw that my initial reaction was wrong.

Am I ashamed of that initial reaction? No; I feel it was a natural one given the history of Liverpool fans and the and the prevalence of football related violence at the time. I am also sure that it was a reaction shared by most of those watching at the time.

What is shameful is that all these years later you use the disaster in an attempt to score pitiful debating points. You are the one who should be ashamed.

Many of us attended games during the time of the fences 7by7 and were disgusted to be fenced in in such a manner. It was inhuman treatment and totally out of proportion with the problems of football violence.

The game at Heysel should never have been had proper security checks been carried out beforehand. This was not the fault of Liverpool supporters.

I'm not here to score points off you either....simply commenting on events.

[7by7]

This comment alone shows your total ignorance of the South of England!

Selling off the council houses so the southerners could all buy gites in France and sell their properties to foreigners was all their idea too.

And about the right to buy, something I was against as it happens. Did no one in Scotland buy their council house.

Not in the manner many did in England. Funnily enough many couldn't afford to.

Not according to the Scottish parliament website!

You really should check your facts.

Edited to remove duplicate quotes.

Edited April 8, 2013 by 7by7

[Humphrey Bear]

When she chellenged Heath for the leadership of the Conservative Party she removed one of the most incompetent politicians ever to sit in the mother of Parliaments.

When she became Prime Minister the garbage bags were piled five metres high in most cities.

She broke the power of the unions, who were destroying all semblance of civilised life in Britain.

She ignored all advice and beat the Argentinians over the Falklands.

She advised both Reagan and Gorbachov and thus ended the Cold War.

She has lately been suffering the most debilitating illnesses and the massive stroke was probably a blessing.

Requiescat in Pace, Margaret Thatcher.

You brought Britain from the brink of ruin to it's rightful place at the top table in world politics.

Farewell to a great lady.

[NCFC]

Maggie Thatcher pulled Britain back from the socialist abyss in the 1980's. She fought against the communist-led unions that sought to destroy the country during the 1970's. She created a template for economic growth that was copied around the world. She was a key player, alongside Ronald Regaen in destroying communism in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.

Millions across the world now live in freedom because of her legacy. One of the truly great figures of the twentieth century. RIP Maggie.

[Exsexyman]

@ Basil B

She demanded a State funeral? To my knowledge it was Tony Blair that gifted it to her unless you know different?

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Apparently she is going to have a ceremonial funeral, like the Queen Mother and Princess Diana, taxpayer funded of course! The taxpayer should not be paying for her funeral surely, she would not have approved. Can all those who are praising her please confirm that i am correct. David Cameron has broken off an important meeting in the EU tonight and flown back to the UK. What on earth for? He will be milking this for all that it is worth. He is probably standing in front of the mirror as we speak.... serious face...."She was" (gulp)"The peoples PM".

Thatcher was seriously despised by huge sections of UK society, that is beyond question, and any kind of State funeral will only add to the divide, especially in the current economic climate. She should also be remembered for the people she championed, people like Pinochet, her unwavering support for the apartheid system in South Africa, she even had good words to say about Pol Pot. And of course her lasting friendship and professed admiration for Sir James Savile. Personally i despised her and everything she stood for, and certainly will not be shedding any tears at her passing.

[lannarebirth]

Having been around during the Thatcher yrs and suffered under her regime 8yrs out of work I can't say that I am sorry to read that she has passed away and I dont doubt that a lot of other people in my age bracket 50+ will feel the same way . !

Excepting physical or mental disability, how can one be unemployed for 8 years running other than by choice?

[naboo]

Anyone mentioned the arms she sold to Sadam Hussain, months after he had murdered 5000 Kurds?

[MAJIC]

The inevitable sad day has arrived. Completely shaped my life and reshaped Britain, rescuing it from a socialist hell. I advised her Government on privatisation in my thirties and the middle part of her period in office (the Spitting Images years). I had a lot of contact with her ministers but only met her once - incredible aura about her and like her nemesis in the Tory party, Heseltine, who I had a lot of time for, she was a genuine thinker and an independent actor; most unusual for Tory politicians who are usually too rooted in tradition and sycophantic as <deleted>.

Regrettably in the second half of her reign she went bonkers and lost all contact with her previous common touch. Poll tax was a disaster, but based on the success of her earlier autocracy (like disbanding democracy in London, which I could not have forgiven her for if she had not resurrected Britains economy) she thought she was untouchable. Absolute power eventually breeds its own destruction.

I'm gonna get pi$$ed tonight. A great world icon just passed on.

There will be many people who lived through her terrible Era,(which IMO was very near to a Dictatorship) that will also be cracking open a bottle or two,like many mining towns,steelwork and ship building towns which to this day have never recovered,and are still poverty stricken,with high unemployment,no hope repressed areas,thanks to her Regime.

With over 3 million unemployed,during her time in office,and massive sell offs of Public Utilities,Public Companies, and Assets,at knock down prices,like Council Houses priced cheap to give a natural pool of bought voters,and although she won 3 Elections,not one of them ever gave her more than 46% of the total population votes,so talk of land slide victories,from the Tory Press are hardly relevant. And there is much more,but I will leave that to the Historians! suffice to say she split the Country in two,the "haves and have nots" which spawned the Odious City Yuppie Creeps,which made them super rich,(the rewards for paper shuffling) pray the likes of her never again obtain a position so powerful!

I'm just going out to buy a really good quality bottle of wine.

[marstons]

Her great privatisation drive lined the pockets of her mates, and don't even get me started on the Falklands. The hag has the blood of our troops on her hands. Sent from my GT-N7000 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

and how many British prime ministes have not sent troops into combat, its what they do, or maybe you were happy with terrorists blo

While i do not agree with most of the violence in Northern Ireland i believe she prolonged the troubles up there by about 10 years and made the situation for John Major and others that followed more difficult so i won't miss her too much

yes she should have simply given it back to the South like most of the UK population wanted.

[SteeleJoe]

She advised both Reagan and Gorbachov and thus ended the Cold War.

Steady, now. You got rather carried away there.

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Edited April 8, 2013 by SteeleJoe

[smokie36]

What is shameful is that all these years later you use the disaster in an attempt to score pitiful debating points. You are the one who should be ashamed.

I have to say on reflection that you have clearly spent too many hours here in the news forum 7by7. Not everyone who drops by and passes comment is looking to have an argument with you or win some perceived battle.

Nice link regarding Scottish council house sales....may there be many more such informative posts without the barbed wire fences.

[Totster]

Anyone mentioned the arms she sold to Sadam Hussain, months after he had murdered 5000 Kurds?

Moot point..

If you think that governments all over the world aren't doing the same you are naive (look who armed and funded Bin Laden)

Also, please remember that she didn't personally sell the arms, the UK government did.. it's a large organisation.

totster

[naboo]

Shall we get into her support of Apartheid and how she labeled Mandela a terrorist?

[naboo]

Anyone mentioned the arms she sold to Sadam Hussain, months after he had murdered 5000 Kurds?

Moot point..

If you think that governments all over the world aren't doing the same you are naive (look who armed and funded Bin Laden)

Also, please remember that she didn't personally sell the arms, the UK government did.. it's a large organisation.

totster

She supported it, she authorised it. Nothing happened without the authorisation of the Iron Lady.

[SteeleJoe]

Shall we get into her support of Apartheid and how she labeled Mandela a terrorist?

Mandela is the living person whom I admire more than any and one of my personal heroes of all time.

But he was, by definition, arguably a terrorist.

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[Totster]

The inevitable sad day has arrived. Completely shaped my life and reshaped Britain, rescuing it from a socialist hell. I advised her Government on privatisation in my thirties and the middle part of her period in office (the Spitting Images years). I had a lot of contact with her ministers but only met her once - incredible aura about her and like her nemesis in the Tory party, Heseltine, who I had a lot of time for, she was a genuine thinker and an independent actor; most unusual for Tory politicians who are usually too rooted in tradition and sycophantic as <deleted>.

Regrettably in the second half of her reign she went bonkers and lost all contact with her previous common touch. Poll tax was a disaster, but based on the success of her earlier autocracy (like disbanding democracy in London, which I could not have forgiven her for if she had not resurrected Britains economy) she thought she was untouchable. Absolute power eventually breeds its own destruction.

I'm gonna get pi$$ed tonight. A great world icon just passed on.

There will be many people who lived through her terrible Era,(which IMO was very near to a Dictatorship) that will also be cracking open a bottle or two,like many mining towns,steelwork and ship building towns which to this day have never recovered,and are still poverty stricken,with high unemployment,no hope repressed areas,thanks to her Regime.

I've said it earlier in this thread, those people in those industries have only themselves to blame, they wanted the high money and none of the work, striking whenever someone stubbed a toe.

If they would have a put a decent weeks work in and were happy for a fair wage (for everyone involved) maybe things would have been different.

Like it or not, the unions broke the country as well as the greed of employees who thought no one could do as good a job as they could.. no one is irreplaceable... as the big firms and workers soon found out.

totster

Edited April 8, 2013 by Totster

[smokie36]

Shall we get into her support of Apartheid and how she labeled Mandela a terrorist?

Mandela is the living person whom I admire more than any and one of my personal heroes of all time.

But he was, by definition, arguably a terrorist.

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That is a thin argument.

[SteeleJoe]

Shall we get into her support of Apartheid and how she labeled Mandela a terrorist?

Mandela is the living person whom I admire more than any and one of my personal heroes of all time.

But he was, by definition, arguably a terrorist.

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That is a thin argument.

How so? Use of violence to attain a political outcome (if I may paraphrase and simplify): Terrorism.

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Edited April 8, 2013 by SteeleJoe

[naboo]

How about we discuss her authorisation of the sinking of the Belgrano, killing over 300 people at a time it was over 370km away from the Falklands, outside exclusion zones?

Seriously, the woman was simply nasty.