Liverpool F.c.

[StevieH]

i don't always like what paul tomkins writes but i am glad someone has rounded up why roy is annoying the fuc_k out of liverpool fans with his every utterance:

A few weeks back, someone emailed me a list of Roy Hodgson’s PR gaffes, to put onto this site. I decided against using them, thinking it might be seen as unfair, but they do paint the picture of a man who underestimated the pressure at Liverpool FC, and who has looked hopelessly out of his depth.

There have been moments of good humour from the boss, but mostly it’s been spikiness and a desire to protect his own reputation before that of his players.

This is not intended as a personal attack, simply a demonstration of a man who appears to have bitten off more than he can chew.

I haven’t included his more recent gaffes (the Rafa/Dalglish lie, slating players in public, etc) ; there appear to be enough here, in what was sent to me.

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/boss-we-ll-rise-to-challenge

29 July 2010 – “It’s a massive step up.”

(Describing the challenge facing the squad he took to Macedonia. A squad that included Cavalieri, Soto, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani, Lucas, Jovanovic and N’Gog.)

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/we-don-t-need-overhaul

30 July 2010 – “I don’t think I’ve ever said the squad is in need of a major overhaul,” said the boss. “We need to add one or two players to the team.

“It is important we keep the nucleus from last season and a nucleus of players who are maybe just behind the first team.”

Contrast with:

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-reflects-on-summer-deals

9 September 2010 – “We should be very happy [with summer dealings].” “We were unbelievably overstaffed when I came to the club and, if the truth be known, we still are overstaffed.” [Could mean fringe players here. But his own signings have only added to the deadwood.]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6473926,00.html

29 October 2010 – “There are a lot of things here that the club has got to get right. We have got a lot more expensive failures on our list than good players that we have brought in for next to nothing.”

and

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8097807/Liverpool-manager-Roy-Hodgson-insists-Pepe-Reina-and-Fernando-Torres-will-not-be-sold.html

29 October 2010 – “I do not want to be taking people’s leftovers. We have got those type of players ourselves. If we are going to improve, we need better.”

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/hodgson-no-striker-regrets

10 September 2010 – “I preferred to put my weight behind David Ngog and Ryan Babel, who’s never really been given a proper chance at centre-forward at the club.” “We have Fernando Torres, we have good players who can play behind a lone striker.” “I will be using David Ngog and Ryan Babel in certain games to give Fernando Torres a rest and it’s up to them to prove to me that there’s no need to look further than them.” (Saying he didn’t regret not signing a striker in the summer.)

Contrast with:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/10/31/2191550/roy-hodgson-stresses-need-to-bring-in-strikers-in-january-as

31 October 2010 – “A club like Liverpool shouldn’t have to rely on non-specialists like Dirk Kuyt or Ryan Babel ‘doing a job’ up front when they are primarily wide players.”

“In training, I can’t have practice games where each team plays a 4-4-2 because I don’t have the front players to do that.”

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/forget-man-city-warns-hodgson

25 August 2010 – “I thought for long periods of the game it was fairly even and both teams passed the ball fairly well in the middle of the park. But the difference, as in all games, is goals.” (After Man City 3-0 loss. Simply not an accurate reflection of the game.)

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Describing the Trabzonspor win as “a famous victory”.

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2010/10/04/liverpool-boss-roy-hodgson-admits-current-relegation-battle/30690/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-01/liverpool-manager-roy-hodgson-hails-famous-win-to-end-barren-away-run.html

“Today was a famous victory because we hadn’t won more than once away in the whole of 2010,”

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http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Liverpool-boss-Roy-Hodgson-claims-to-know-nothing-about-Loic-Remy-article528957.html

16 July 2010 – “He’s a player I know very little about.” (About French international striker, Loïc Rémy.)

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4 October 2010 – “There are 31 games left, but when you are in the relegation zone you are in a relegation battle.” (After Blackpool defeat.)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/language_tips/bbc/offthepitch/2010-10/05/content_11378535.htm

“Unfortunately, when you give yourself an uphill task with a 0-2 you’ve got to expect it’s going to be very difficult in the second half against a team of Blackpool’s quality.”

Liverpool hadn’t lost a home game to a promoted side since 1999.

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-no-david-vs-goliath

16 September 2010 – “You don’t play in the Europa League to play against poor opponents.”

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-show-us-you-are-lfc-class

22 September 2010 – “They’ll be a formidable challenge – there’s no question about that.” (About Northampton Town. Who were at the time 17^th in the 4th tier of English football.)

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-view-on-cup-defeat

23 September 2010 – “Northampton were clearly better than one would have expected from a team playing where they play.” And on 18-year-old Shelvey’s debut…. “He did well but the fact is he came on in extra-time and people were tiring.”

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-reaction-to-2-2-draw

26 September 2010 – “…in many ways it was the performance we wanted.”

“I think over the 90 minutes we were certainly more than worth the point we got.” (After dreadful Sunderland performance. A team we had dispatched 3-0 the previous year.)

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-reacts-to-utrecht-draw

1 October – “So it’s a good point to take back to Liverpool. Four points out of two games. It’s the first time we haven’t won one of these games but to be honest it would have been unfortunate for them if we’d won the game tonight. They would have felt hard done by. For me, a draw was a more than satisfactory result.” (After Utrecht 0-0. They’re not even in the top 100 European clubs by UEFA coefficient.)

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http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-boss-Roy-Hodgson-left-raging-after-an-insulting-question-from-a-journalist-about-his-training-methods-article593189.html

2 October 2010 – “What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmsteds to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team.”

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-everton-verdict-1

17 October 2010, after 2-0 defeat at Everton “This was always going to be a difficult game to win.” (It wasn’t for the previous two Reds’ managers.)

“To get a result here and win the game would have been utopia.”

“I hope that fair-minded people see the game the same way. I think it’s a bit unfortunate that after such a good game of football, everything revolves around the fact that Liverpool didn’t win it.”

“We didn’t score goals and Everton did but I refuse to accept that we were in any way outplayed or any way inferior. I watched the performance and the second half was as good as I saw a Liverpool team play under my management that is for sure.”

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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2010/10/21/liverpool-fc-manager-roy-hodgson-fears-man-utd-move-for-fernando-torres-100252-27515832/

21 October 2010, responding to alleged interest from Manchester United in Torres – “With Torres, I think we will cross that bridge when we come to it,” said Hodgson. “There will always be speculation.

“When a great player like Wayne Rooney is looking to leave his club, Manchester United will be a position to target a lot of players around the world.

“I don’t think Fernando Torres will be the only striker they target and I don’t think that we will be the only club that will be worried their striker can be targeted.

“I am not naive to believe that there won’t be any danger and we will never lose a player like Torres.”

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“I hope we don’t get beaten too heavily” … before the friendly with Al Hilal

“I hope we don’t get beaten 6-0” … before the Man City game.

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Do you think, Torres is more suiteable to playing alone, or with a striking partner?

RH: “I don’t know.”

[MSingh]

Told ya, it's similar to our situation..

Uncle Avram said he was " delighted " with the 0-0 with Blackpool on Saturday, i sh*t you not...

[StevieH]

Told ya, it's similar to our situation..

Uncle Avram said he was " delighted " with the 0-0 with Blackpool on Saturday, i sh*t you not...

various liverpool websites are now organising nights out for when roy does eventually get the heave. we reckon he'll get a stay of execution with a gerrard/torres inspired win against the irons in spite of roy's negative tactical set-up but we could conceivably lose four of the next five. that might mean he had to go. dalglish chants are already being choreographed for saturday.

it's weird this, we don't normally call for managers to go. i've never actively wanted a liverpool manager sacked in my lifetime. but this man's a disgrace and a fraud.

[carmine]

You might well get your wish and get Benitez back before too long. Already Inter are a shadow of Mourinho's side. Having watched the game against Milan, Inter were hopeless, and he's probably on borrowed time, so maybe Rafa returns by christmas and back to normal.

[StevieH]

in his defence inter have had appalling injuries this season and he wasn't allowed any money to spend in the summer despite them winning everything last season, plus they then sold balotelli for a bundle. any side would miss cambiasso, stankovic, sneijder, motta, cesar etc. it's only a few weeks ago the players were raving about the way he set them up and that they were enjoying their football more than under mourinho.

that said if he doesn't win the league there it'll cost him the job.

[carmine]

in his defence inter have had appalling injuries this season and he wasn't allowed any money to spend in the summer despite them winning everything last season, plus they then sold balotelli for a bundle. any side would miss cambiasso, stankovic, sneijder, motta, cesar etc. it's only a few weeks ago the players were raving about the way he set them up and that they were enjoying their football more than under mourinho.

that said if he doesn't win the league there it'll cost him the job.

I agree the injuries have been bad. i noticed that particularily when we played them. At the time he joined Inter i felt Rafa was taking on a position with all to lose and little to gain. Exactly where can you take a treble winning team?

[SantiSuk]

I think that Rafa has twigged the corporate game of useless Chief Executives who keep moving, screwing up and being paid off. If you can stand the opprobrium you end up with a very wealthy early retirement.

Edited November 17, 2010 by SantiSuk

[MSingh]

in his defence inter have had appalling injuries this season and he wasn't allowed any money to spend in the summer despite them winning everything last season,

Bless his little cotton Socks..

Injuries happen in Football & every Manager has to deal with it, but as you rightly said they won everythign last Year so apart from Balotelli leaving, no other regular First Team Players left apart from Burdisso who was at Roma all last Year & clearly unfancied, why would he need to spend any money ??

It's all there for him..

Maicon, Eto, Sneider, a Squad that has just won EVERYTHING, the European & Italian Champions & Coppa Italia Winners too..

& only the 16m Euro's to spend in the Summer Window, that was nowhere near enough for Rafa to build on a Team that won everything the previous Year aye ??

& of course the Balotelli money will be wasted by Rafa in January of course, unless of course Moratti gets this Fella that my Nan could manage in a Football Team..

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=832627&sec=transfers&cc=4716&cc=4716

[MSingh]

Can we talk abotu Rafa instead of Saturday please, for the rest of the week & beyond ??

[StevieH]

it puzzles me why fans of other clubs seem so fascinated by benitez.

oh and santisuk, nice revisionism - two la ligas and a uefa cup with valencia then the european cup, another european cup final, the fa cup and the club's best league campaign in 20 years at liverpool is screwing up is it? ok.

[carmine]

it puzzles me why fans of other clubs seem so fascinated by benitez.

oh and santisuk, nice revisionism - two la ligas and a uefa cup with valencia then the european cup, another european cup final, the fa cup and the club's best league campaign in 20 years at liverpool is screwing up is it? ok.

I find him an enigma. His record cannot be argued with though. The Oliver Kay article i think summed up Benitez very well.

Anyway, he's gone and what i am interested in is whether you have heard anything regarding the possibility of Dalglish taking the helm?

[SantiSuk]

it puzzles me why fans of other clubs seem so fascinated by benitez.

oh and santisuk, nice revisionism - two la ligas and a uefa cup with valencia then the european cup, another european cup final, the fa cup and the club's best league campaign in 20 years at liverpool is screwing up is it? ok.

Fair comment - but he screwed up in the end didn't he? That's when he learnt the money game (because your reviled Yankee ex-masters gave him a stupid CEO-style termination clause).

It doesn't puzzle me why fans of other clubs seem so fascinated by Wenger. Same as Benitez - it's a closet racist thing of which I am as guilty as the next person. Maybe not - Mourinho, Houllier and Ancelotti seem largely immune. No, put it down to shifty weasley faces!!

[StevieH]

Anyway, he's gone and what i am interested in is whether you have heard anything regarding the possibility of Dalglish taking the helm?

i know there is a real movement afoot to sing his name from the kickoff against west ham on saturday. i think the majority of fans would have absolutely anybody in place of hodgson at the moment, such is the level of antipathy towards roy. i'm not sure it's realistic though but if we lose three of the next four or so and the players continue to turn against roy because of his appalling, backwards tactics - then the new owners might have no option.

there's also talk of a lot of fans singing 'hodgson for england' throughout saturday's match.

[smokie36]

Anyway, he's gone and what i am interested in is whether you have heard anything regarding the possibility of Dalglish taking the helm?

i know there is a real movement afoot to sing his name from the kickoff against west ham on saturday. i think the majority of fans would have absolutely anybody in place of hodgson at the moment, such is the level of antipathy towards roy. i'm not sure it's realistic though but if we lose three of the next four or so and the players continue to turn against roy because of his appalling, backwards tactics - then the new owners might have no option.

there's also talk of a lot of fans singing 'hodgson for england' throughout saturday's match.

I like the last bit.....a lot!

[MSingh]

it puzzles me why fans of other clubs seem so fascinated by benitez.

& it puzzles me much much more why many Liverpool Supporters i know seem to have a blinded faith & loyalty to him..

CL win i can understand, that's great..

But the rest beggars belief..

Edit : as does their reasoning...

Edited November 17, 2010 by MSingh

[StevieH]

Fair comment - but he screwed up in the end didn't he? That's when he learnt the money game (because your reviled Yankee ex-masters gave him a stupid CEO-style termination clause).

sorry, you're still wrong. he didn't take anywhere near the payout he was contractually entitled to at liverpool just as he didn't at valencia. he could have dug his heels in and held out for his full £12m at liverpool but he didn't.

It doesn't puzzle me why fans of other clubs seem so fascinated by Wenger. Same as Benitez - it's a closet racist thing of which I am as guilty as the next person. Maybe not - Mourinho, Houllier and Ancelotti seem largely immune. No, put it down to shifty weasley faces!!

the most dislikeable managers in the premier league are british by the way. allardyce, redknapp, hodgson, ferguson. . . .far 'shiftier' than any of the non-domestic ones.

[carmine]

Anyway, he's gone and what i am interested in is whether you have heard anything regarding the possibility of Dalglish taking the helm?

i know there is a real movement afoot to sing his name from the kickoff against west ham on saturday. i think the majority of fans would have absolutely anybody in place of hodgson at the moment, such is the level of antipathy towards roy. i'm not sure it's realistic though but if we lose three of the next four or so and the players continue to turn against roy because of his appalling, backwards tactics - then the new owners might have no option.

there's also talk of a lot of fans singing 'hodgson for england' throughout saturday's match.

Amusing that...but sorry Stevie, Redknapp's a shoe in for the England job isn't he?!

[carmine]

I think its high time to have a Rafa Benitez thread but i'll leave that decision to the Liverpool lads.

[StevieH]

it puzzles me why fans of other clubs seem so fascinated by benitez.

& it puzzles me much much more why many Liverpool Supporters i know seem to have a blinded faith & loyalty to him..

CL win i can understand, that's great..

But the rest beggars belief..

Edit : as does their reasoning...

come on m, that's bad hyperbole for you that. 5 seasons, 2 european cup finals, 1 won, 1 fa cup, the club's best ever premier league campaign and finish in 08/09 (just 18 short months ago) with a record points total for any team which didn't actually win the title. . . .that doesn't 'beggar belief', look at it objectively and it's a pretty fuc_king good effort.

and you know from my posts on here i've never been 'blindly loyal' to benitez, he had plenty of faults. but the revisionism about his record at liverpool, done while spending £14m net per season of his tenure and being expected to compete with moneybags man united and chelsea, remains absolutely pisspoor.

[carmine]

I think its high time to have a Rafa Benitez thread but i'll leave that decision to the Liverpool lads.

[StevieH]

Anyway, he's gone and what i am interested in is whether you have heard anything regarding the possibility of Dalglish taking the helm?

i know there is a real movement afoot to sing his name from the kickoff against west ham on saturday. i think the majority of fans would have absolutely anybody in place of hodgson at the moment, such is the level of antipathy towards roy. i'm not sure it's realistic though but if we lose three of the next four or so and the players continue to turn against roy because of his appalling, backwards tactics - then the new owners might have no option.

there's also talk of a lot of fans singing 'hodgson for england' throughout saturday's match.

Amusing that...but sorry Stevie, Redknapp's a shoe in for the England job isn't he?!

given his performance at liverpool so far i am convinced that roy hodgson took his last year's salary from fulham and lumped it on redknapp to be next england manager at 4/1 odds.

[carmine]

Anyway, he's gone and what i am interested in is whether you have heard anything regarding the possibility of Dalglish taking the helm?

i know there is a real movement afoot to sing his name from the kickoff against west ham on saturday. i think the majority of fans would have absolutely anybody in place of hodgson at the moment, such is the level of antipathy towards roy. i'm not sure it's realistic though but if we lose three of the next four or so and the players continue to turn against roy because of his appalling, backwards tactics - then the new owners might have no option.

there's also talk of a lot of fans singing 'hodgson for england' throughout saturday's match.

Amusing that...but sorry Stevie, Redknapp's a shoe in for the England job isn't he?!

given his performance at liverpool so far i am convinced that roy hodgson took his last year's salary from fulham and lumped it on redknapp to be next england manager at 4/1 odds.

Yep, and Redknapp probably suggested the idea.

[MSingh]

it puzzles me why fans of other clubs seem so fascinated by benitez.

& it puzzles me much much more why many Liverpool Supporters i know seem to have a blinded faith & loyalty to him..

CL win i can understand, that's great..

But the rest beggars belief..

Edit : as does their reasoning...

come on m, that's bad hyperbole for you that. 5 seasons, 2 european cup finals, 1 won, 1 fa cup, the club's best ever premier league campaign and finish in 08/09 (just 18 short months ago) with a record points total for any team which didn't actually win the title. . . .that doesn't 'beggar belief', look at it objectively and it's a pretty fuc_king good effort.

and you know from my posts on here i've never been 'blindly loyal' to benitez, he had plenty of faults. but the revisionism about his record at liverpool, done while spending £14m net per season of his tenure and being expected to compete with moneybags man united and chelsea, remains absolutely pisspoor.

He still SPENT more than the vast majority of Managers in the Country & yes he sold but that i suspect the vast majority of the time, was his choice....

The day that done it for me was when he moaned about his Summer Transfer Budget yet SPENT 38m GBP on a Right Back & Alberto Aquilani who, if you want to trawl back through this Thread to the time, it was said on here that the Guy was a 14 Gameaverage per Season Manbased on his very limited career to date ( i'm guessing the average has gone down since ) & why anyone would spend over 50% of their 38m GBP Transfer Budget ( only ) on that Player, beggars belief..

I honestly can't see how, after SPENDING over a Quarter of a BILLION GBP on Players during his reign, how he could justify demanding a further 60m last Summer & no wonder the old Yanks closed ranks on him after what he spent the previous 38m on..

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/benitez-eyes-60m-spending-spree

His own Players were talkign about a further 4 - 5 - 6 Players being needed for crying out loud ???????????????

Mental..

[SantiSuk]

Amusing that...but sorry Stevie, Redknapp's a shoe in for the England job isn't he?!

given his performance at liverpool so far i am convinced that roy hodgson took his last year's salary from fulham and lumped it on redknapp to be next england manager at 4/1 odds.

Yep, and Redknapp probably suggested the idea.

Na - Redknapp will bet against himself and take a backhander from the next guy in line to turn it down.

[smokie36]

Na - Redknapp will bet against himself and take a backhander from the next guy in line to turn it down.

Remind me again of 'Arry's criminal record will you.......the ones he's been tried and convicted of please.

[carmine]

Na - Redknapp will bet against himself and take a backhander from the next guy in line to turn it down.

Remind me again of 'Arry's criminal record will you.......the ones he's been tried and convicted of please.

In Jocklad it would be "not proven" would'nt it?

[MSingh]

Na - Redknapp will bet against himself and take a backhander from the next guy in line to turn it down.

Remind me again of 'Arry's criminal record will you.......the ones he's been tried and convicted of please.

SUCH a T*ttingham Hotspurt Supporter comment & way of thinking, that it's scary...

[smokie36]

Na - Redknapp will bet against himself and take a backhander from the next guy in line to turn it down.

Remind me again of 'Arry's criminal record will you.......the ones he's been tried and convicted of please.

SUCH a T*ttingham Hotspurt Supporter comment & way of thinking, that it's scary...

Here's another for ya....just answer the question.

[MSingh]

Na - Redknapp will bet against himself and take a backhander from the next guy in line to turn it down.

Remind me again of 'Arry's criminal record will you.......the ones he's been tried and convicted of please.

SUCH a T*ttingham Hotspurt Supporter comment & way of thinking, that it's scary...

Here's another for ya....just answer the question.

You're serious, aren't you ??

Ohhhh smokie, you're naivety is gonna cause you real pain at certain stages of your life, it really is..

[smokie36]

You're serious, aren't you ??

Only in reply to Santisuk's ridiculous comment. I know he's as bent as a a Boy George convention but let's kick him for what he's done.....not slander him for what he aint.

Example....Arsene Wenger has been up and down the Old Kent Road for years picking up tarts.