Suspected Englishman Pedophile Arrested In Pattaya

[donkeykong]

Englishman Arrested for Alleged Child Abuse

BTW, anyone what to go on about the World class family tourist resort of Pattaya.?

Pattaya and Thailand have no monopoly on child abuse.

Happens everywhere.

Just contact the Catholic Church.

They have regional offices worldwide.

[Disco]

No sympathy for the perp, jail him. But what is it with these Thai kids.

So many stories about them going along with these indecent proposals !

Cast your mind back to when you were a teen ... Would you

have agreed to do these things for a handfull of dollars ? ... NOT !

Naka.

Naka, This is a different world to the one you and I grew up in.

Most, if not all these kids are starving street kids - many of them stateless -many of them worked by evil gangs.

May I quote from a Uk charity site report, (Pattaya Street Kids), written in January:

...There are still many street children living on the streets of Pattaya and as always these children are at risk from sex tourists. The gangs that work these kids appear to have an endless supply of children, as when a few children are removed from the streets others appear very quickly to take their place. Other children work selling gum and flowers around the bars and there are still many children begging on the streets. In most cases if a child does not collect a certain amount of money a day through their activities the gangs that ‘care’ for them beat them.....

There is much more in this report that would bring tears to the eyes of even the most hard bitten of us.

Pattaya is our adopted home, maybe we should do something about it?

Mobi D'Ark and Artisan

Can I thank you both for being able to see the problem as a whole.

Unfortunately, whilst in prison, people of this 'preposition' attract like minded people and this how pedophile rings are further established. This is a global disease that can not be answered by merely throwing them in jail, but demands time, energy and finance to rectify the situation. Many abusers where once abused themselves, by no means condoning this (please don't misunderstand this post) we need to find a solution to crimes against children on all levels (physiological or physical).

[Kerryd]

Pattaya and Thailand have no monopoly on child abuse.

Happens everywhere.

Just contact the Catholic Church.

They have regional offices worldwide.

So true ! It must really kill them to have to actually pay money out when ever they get sued (not to mention how much "hush" money has been paid that we'll never hear about).

But seriously. Child abuse is a world-wide problem. Children are the most innocent and defenceless members of our society, and there are far too many perverts out there willing to take advantage of that.

If you only get your news from the Pattaya Mail or Pattaya City News, it may seem like Pattaya is the "hub" of child sex in Asia. In reality, Cambodia is far worse.

Not too long ago I saw 2 different articles regarding the problems in Cambodia (one from the BBC, the other on Faux, though they both used the same undercover report in their pieces).

In many cases, the children are knowingly "sold" into the trade by their own relatives. According to the stories, the majority of the perverts that go for the kids (in Cambodia) are local Cambodian men.

I've heard similar stories in Thailand. Last year (?) Thai authorities busted a brothel run by a Thai mamasan. I think she had something like 13 underage girls held there like slaves. Supposedly most of her "clients" were Thai men.

Child abuse goes on in Western countries as well. There were stories a few weeks ago about underage Mexican girls being smuggled into the States to be put to work as prostitutes. A story that made the headlines was about the man and woman arrested for molesting a 17 year old boy and a little (4 year old ?) girl over a period that may be years.

Then there were the stories about the child rapists that were getting let off easy by certain judges in the US.

So, it happens in many other places other than just Pattaya/Thailand. I'm sure there are far worse problems that don't make the news in other countries.

The worse problems seem to arise in countries with poor economies. Children are seen as a source of revenue for people trying to make a quick buck. Life is cheap in many of those countries, and their future is bleak, so they use what ever they can without thought of the consequences.

It's a tough situation. We can't simply boost the economies of these poor countries. We can't suddenly provide meaningful employment for hundreds of millions of people world wide. We can't get rid of corruption, hunger and poverty with wishful thinking. The population on this planet is growing too rapidly, and the global "support structure" can't handle it.

What can we do ? Not much. Catch the perverts where ever possible and make examples of them, in the hopes that it may deter some others. Reduce the demand, and the supply will be reduced.

Far from a perfect solution unfortunately.

[kathyjune]

I totally agree with Kerryd. this problem can be anywhere - from your own home to worldwide. I am glad every time a pedophile is caught. A 3 year old doesn't know what sex is. As long as the person is underage, it is WRONG and the pedophile should be punished.

Edited March 19, 2006 by kathyjune

[alexth]

No sympathy for the perp, jail him. But what is it with these Thai kids.

So many stories about them going along with these indecent proposals !

Cast your mind back to when you were a teen ... Would you

have agreed to do these things for a handfull of dollars ? ... NOT !

Naka.

Naka, This is a different world to the one you and I grew up in.

Most, if not all these kids are starving street kids - many of them stateless -many of them worked by evil gangs.

May I quote from a Uk charity site report, (Pattaya Street Kids), written in January:

...There are still many street children living on the streets of Pattaya and as always these children are at risk from sex tourists. The gangs that work these kids appear to have an endless supply of children, as when a few children are removed from the streets others appear very quickly to take their place. Other children work selling gum and flowers around the bars and there are still many children begging on the streets. In most cases if a child does not collect a certain amount of money a day through their activities the gangs that ‘care’ for them beat them.....

There is much more in this report that would bring tears to the eyes of even the most hard bitten of us.

Pattaya is our adopted home, maybe we should do something about it?

Mobi D'Ark and Artisan

Can I thank you both for being able to see the problem as a whole.

Unfortunately, whilst in prison, people of this 'preposition' attract like minded people and this how pedophile rings are further established. This is a global disease that can not be answered by merely throwing them in jail, but demands time, energy and finance to rectify the situation. Many abusers where once abused themselves, by no means condoning this (please don't misunderstand this post) we need to find a solution to crimes against children on all levels (physiological or physical).

What about eliminating them and then donating their organs to those in need? This would make the world a better, safer, not mentioning cleaner place to live

[Kerryd]

What about eliminating them and then donating their organs to those in need? This would make the world a better, safer, not mentioning cleaner place to live

Ugh ! Don't you watch any of those horror movies ? The ones where the dead guy's spirit haunts the people that (live in the house/wear the clothes/have the organs transplanted/ect) ?

If I needed a life-saving liver transplant, I probably wouldn't care at the time where the donor organ came from.

Did you read the post I made in the "Oscars for Osama" thread, about the Turkish movie "Lion of the Valley - Iraq" ?

In that movie, they portray a "jewish"-american doctor harvesting organs from inmates at Abu Ghraib (and selling them to "Wealthy Western" buyers) as a propaganda plot.

It would make for bad publicity no matter how you did it. There would always be people claiming that prisoners were being executed just to harvest their organs.

That, plus the subsequent hauntings and spirit possessions (remember, Thais are very superstitious !)

Edited March 20, 2006 by Kerryd

[alexth]

What about eliminating them and then donating their organs to those in need? This would make the world a better, safer, not mentioning cleaner place to live

Ugh ! Don't you watch any of those horror movies ? The ones where the dead guy's spirit haunts the people that (live in the house/wear the clothes/have the organs transplanted/ect) ?

If I needed a life-saving liver transplant, I probably wouldn't care at the time where the donor organ came from.

Did you read the post I made in the "Oscars for Osama" thread, about the Turkish movie "Lion of the Valley - Iraq" ?

In that movie, they portray a "jewish"-american doctor harvesting organs from inmates at Abu Ghraib (and selling them to "Wealthy Western" buyers) as a propaganda plot.

It would make for bad publicity no matter how you did it. There would always be people claiming that prisoners were being executed just to harvest their organs.

That, plus the subsequent hauntings and spirit possessions (remember, Thais are very superstitious !)

LOL, Kerry, I was kiddin', anyway, it's complicated, I am not the one who can decide their fate, but somebody would have to make sure they won't do it again, one way or another,..

I've seen here comparisons between phedophilism and drug addiction, well, junkies can be cured, those freaks are not so easy to cure, I haven't done my homework on the subject, but I've never heard about pedophils cured...maybe I'm wrong, but if one of them would touch my kid...I'd spend the rest of my life with their throat between my teeth...I swear to God

[Mobi]

What can we do ? Not much. Catch the perverts where ever possible and make examples of them, in the hopes that it may deter some others. Reduce the demand, and the supply will be reduced.

Far from a perfect solution unfortunately.

Kerryd and others , I totally agree with all your posts.

The point I was trying to make is that there is something we can do. Not much maybe in the great scheme of things to solve the worldwide problem, but anything is better than nothing.

It's a bit like saying why bother to recycle our waste when noone else bothers. You've got to start somewhere, haven't you?

We live in Pattaya. There are hundreds of kids out on the street right now who are at risk or who have already been abused by sex tourists. There are charities like 'PattayaStreet kids' and the Mercy project who are actively engaged in getting some of these kids off the streets and into children's homes where they can be fed and put into school and protected from these gangs and abusers. But these charities are dreadfully short of money and supplies and are forced to make life and death decisions on who to help.

We can't just sit by and ignore it. Can we?

[alexth]

You'd all be surprised how the interest of some thai parents would suddenly rise for their kids when they'll hear the word "money" from a "kid recruiter", I know it's sad, I know it's incredible.

Mobi has a point here, at least we agree on that, I would be happy to contribute, I always do it everytime I get the chance, more donations to the street kids would be a good start. The next should be the education among the thais...something we can't really help with...I'm sure we'll hear about things like that again...they should start giving examples about it, warn those psychopats there there are severe laws in Thailand for that, unfortunately it's just a way to receive more and more bribe

[naka]

No sympathy for the perp, jail him. But what is it with these Thai kids.

So many stories about them going along with these indecent proposals !

Cast your mind back to when you were a teen ... Would you

have agreed to do these things for a handfull of dollars ? ... NOT !

Naka.

Naka, This is a different world to the one you and I grew up in.

Most, if not all these kids are starving street kids - many of them stateless -many of them worked by evil gangs.

May I quote from a Uk charity site report, (Pattaya Street Kids), written in January:

...There are still many street children living on the streets of Pattaya and as always these children are at risk from sex tourists. The gangs that work these kids appear to have an endless supply of children, as when a few children are removed from the streets others appear very quickly to take their place. Other children work selling gum and flowers around the bars and there are still many children begging on the streets. In most cases if a child does not collect a certain amount of money a day through their activities the gangs that ‘care’ for them beat them.....

There is much more in this report that would bring tears to the eyes of even the most hard bitten of us.

Pattaya is our adopted home, maybe we should do something about it?

Mobi, Agree with everthing you say... But

When I was about eleven and waiting on the bus to go home from my gran's

(about 3 miles) I was picked up by a guy in a car who said he knew me.

I was just a kid who did'nt know any better.

After about a mile the scumbag started to fondle me, I said nothing for a

few minutes, then when we were right in the middle of town opposite the main

police station I let loose. Grabbed the steering wheel ... yanked ... opened the door

and flailed at the scab's head. He was so shocked he had to stop and

let me out. A motorbike cop saw this and stopped him half a mile on.

Me dad and me five uncles used to visit him in the nick not far from home.

(Well ... till he figured out who they were)

He probably wished he had gotten another 20 years !

Naka.

Edited March 20, 2006 by naka

[Noel]

The subject of paedophilia quite rightly causes any normal person to feel a sense of outrage.

I too share the reaction of abject disgust, revulsion and a desire to rid the world of these scum.

As far as I am concerned, I do not believe a paedophile can ever be cured, despite claims by medical experts to the contrary. From what I have read and heard, the recidivism rate is very high. I may be overstating the case, but many offenders are seemingly almost bound to re-offend if given the chance.

If there is only a 0.1% risk they will re-offend when supposedly ‘cured’, that is still too big a risk to take, in my view.

No I am not suggesting the use of a rusty knife (it is a tempting thought though…), but castration is the only way to be absolutely sure the kids are safe from these vile predators as far as I can see.

There is, however, another side to this issue.

Rather than expand further, I believe the following extract from a previous thread on this odious subject should be self explanatory:

I'm simply trying to get an answer to a simple question. I find it hugely offensive to the majority of farang men who have a great affection for Thailand and the Thai people that they are regularly labelled as paedophiles because they associate in the most innocent way with Thai children - often their own offspring.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Unfortunately it is the age in which we live, it would seem.

I will never forget an incident many years ago in Pattaya.

My Thai girlfriend's mother had brought my girlfriend's son down from Buriram to stay with us during the school holidays for a week or two.

The boy was eight years old.

One afternoon, my girlfriend wanted to go shopping with her mother.

Apparently, the boy shared my my dislike of traipsing around markets looking for nothing in particular or shopping in general come to that, so my girlfriend suggested I take the lad to our local bar and have a game of pool with him as I had previously promised I would at some time. They would follow on as and when they finished shopping.

In those days I had a 150cc motorbike which was quite nippy. The boy was instructed by his mother to hold on tight to me, which he duly did by wrapping his arms around me.

As we were pulling out of a soi off Second Road, two farang men in the company of their farang wives (fair assumption they were married as the men did not appear to be blind and the women were pig ugly) started hurling the most foul abuse at me, one spitting in abject disgust.

I was accused of being a pervert, a sicko, I should be ashamed of myself, castrated and so on.

My instinct was to stop and have a 'little chat' but decided against it and just drove on, albeit in disbelief.

I have to say it did shake me up that anyone could think such a thing, but they clearly did.

People will often believe what they want to believe, I guess. It could also be said that many imaginations are fuelled by sensationalistic reporting in the media.

As is the mantra of the gutter Press the world over: "Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story..."

Clearly the case under discussion is open and shut, but it may be prudent to bear the above in mind before people start taking matters into their own hands as might be the temptation when emotions run high.

[donkeykong]

Been there done that, both sides.....

Had the TGF's 5 yr old lad (from Udon Thani) in town for the hols.

All 3 of us in a common use swimming pool having fun.

She gets out at the first waft of burnt chili and garlic and sits in the shade filling her face.

And I'm left in the pool teaching the young lad how to swim (or at least not drown)

then in waddles tattooed git and his fatfarang missus.

I clocked the stares for awhile, before yelling at TGF to get back in the pool (so that I feel more comfortable) and avoid the 'what the F are you looking at' showdown.

On the other hand....

I've sat near the beach and watched as 55 yr old Gutmeister proudly waddles past hand-in-hand with what is obviously a Thai 14/15/16 yr old girl. What do you do?

If all is innocent and you say something, you're a pushy idiot worth a thump. Do nothing and you're practically allowing child abuse to take place in front of you.

[alexth]

Been there done that, both sides.....

Had the TGF's 5 yr old lad (from Udon Thani) in town for the hols.

All 3 of us in a common use swimming pool having fun.

She gets out at the first waft of burnt chili and garlic and sits in the shade filling her face.

And I'm left in the pool teaching the young lad how to swim (or at least not drown)

then in waddles tattooed git and his fatfarang missus.

I clocked the stares for awhile, before yelling at TGF to get back in the pool (so that I feel more comfortable) and avoid the 'what the F are you looking at' showdown.

On the other hand....

I've sat near the beach and watched as 55 yr old Gutmeister proudly waddles past hand-in-hand with what is obviously a Thai 14/15/16 yr old girl. What do you do?

If all is innocent and you say something, you're a pushy idiot worth a thump. Do nothing and you're practically allowing child abuse to take place in front of you.

I'd better cash in a punch than going home with the little girl on my mind...maybe not safe but at least healthy

[donkeykong]

I'd better cash in a punch than going home with the little girl on my mind...maybe not safe but at least healthy

same feeling.

but..... if.....

it's his stepdaughter and mama is 50 paces behind, shopping.

or

she's actually 17 and had I.D. to prove it

where do you stand?

A: over your head in poo and sinking fast

.

[alexth]

I'd better cash in a punch than going home with the little girl on my mind...maybe not safe but at least healthy

same feeling.

but..... if.....

it's his stepdaughter and mama is 50 paces behind, shopping.

or

she's actually 17 and had I.D. to prove it

where do you stand?

A: over your head in poo and sinking fast

.

I really don't care...If I catch the ###### who's capable of such things...I guess you can figure out the rest yourself...

[Noel]

I'd better cash in a punch than going home with the little girl on my mind...maybe not safe but at least healthy

same feeling.

but..... if.....

it's his stepdaughter and mama is 50 paces behind, shopping.

or

she's actually 17 and had I.D. to prove it

where do you stand?

A: over your head in poo and sinking fast

.

I really don't care...If I catch the ###### who's capable of such things...I guess you can figure out the rest yourself...

And another one slaps into the wicket keeper's gloves...

[gburns57au]

Been there done that, both sides.....

Had the TGF's 5 yr old lad (from Udon Thani) in town for the hols.

All 3 of us in a common use swimming pool having fun.

She gets out at the first waft of burnt chili and garlic and sits in the shade filling her face.

And I'm left in the pool teaching the young lad how to swim (or at least not drown)

then in waddles tattooed git and his fatfarang missus.

I clocked the stares for awhile, before yelling at TGF to get back in the pool (so that I feel more comfortable) and avoid the 'what the F are you looking at' showdown.

On the other hand....

I've sat near the beach and watched as 55 yr old Gutmeister proudly waddles past hand-in-hand with what is obviously a Thai 14/15/16 yr old girl. What do you do?

If all is innocent and you say something, you're a pushy idiot worth a thump. Do nothing and you're practically allowing child abuse to take place in front of you.

And if Gutmeister was waddling by with his step daughter....???

You displayed the same reaction as the tattooed git and his fatfarang missus

[britmaveric]

Easy to misinterpret when you don't have a clue on what's going on. Better to stay out of it, unless its smth obvious. I don't think most pedos are going to be flaunting themselves in public at any rate. Normally from what I've read - its always come by my flat scenario.

[donkeykong]

And if Gutmeister was waddling by with his step daughter....???

You displayed the same reaction as the tattooed git and his fatfarang missus

That's the point again. The longer I stay here, the more I learn to sit back, chill out and watch it go by.

Falang white knights and instant morals crusaders are on a road to nowhere here.

The crazy world of Pattaya is rarely black and white, and folks who throw stones rarely live in houses without at least a few panes of glass.

[Weho]

I believe in the law, and if the law says below 15 is a minor, then I agree and abide by that. HOWEVER, these ages of consent are arbitrary numbers pulled out of thin air. I know plenty of teens that are mature enough and probably ready to have sex, some even below age 18... and I know plenty of adults, age 30 and above, that I believe are NOT emotionally ready to have sex. The real question is what is a FAIR and EQUITABLE way of determining if someone is mature enough to have sex... and surely, pulling a number out of thin air cannot be considred fair...

[Chopper]

If it were up to the populace to decide what was fair and equitable the world would be bedlam. That is precisely why we have laws and a judiciary. Notwithstanding that in some countries the age of consent I believe to be 12 years old which is far too young. If lawmakers around the world are not capable of passing sensible laws then the real question you have posed is simply a hypothesis and can be no more.

I will give it a go though. If a girl has started menstruation then she may have the bodily functions of a women but would still be too young to deal with the emotional aspects. Where do you draw the line? It is one of those grey areas. I guess you just have to respect the laws of the country you reside in. That would seem the most sensible option to me.

[alexth]

I believe in the law, and if the law says below 15 is a minor, then I agree and abide by that. HOWEVER, these ages of consent are arbitrary numbers pulled out of thin air. I know plenty of teens that are mature enough and probably ready to have sex, some even below age 18... and I know plenty of adults, age 30 and above, that I believe are NOT emotionally ready to have sex. The real question is what is a FAIR and EQUITABLE way of determining if someone is mature enough to have sex... and surely, pulling a number out of thin air cannot be considred fair...

Are you suggesting that maybe it's normal that a 43 years old man is having sex with 5 underaged boys??? Please tell me that I got it all wrong

Edited March 20, 2006 by alexth

[zzap]

Age of consent:

It's a bit more considered than "thin air", globally it's mostly between 13 and 18, not 5 nor 50 years old.

Of course it is to some extend arbitrary, the law does not take account of individual fluctuations in development.

Alex, the point is not what is 'normal', but what is permissible (by law).

[Thaiquila]

This guy clearly deserves to be arrested and jailed.

And face it, his life is totally ruined.

He might as well be dead and off himself ASAP, his life is over.

The victims however, may or may not, suffer very much.

Maybe he gave them HIV, unlikely but possible.

That would be very tragic.

However, the psychological trauma and damage from such incidents would be very individual, I would think.

What I am getting at is the incredible moral outrage against this criminal COMPARED to the rather limited moral outrage against murderers.

I think I speak from the voice of rationality to think murderers are in actuality the most serious criminals, because the damage they inflict is 100 percent final everytime.

[gburns57au]

This guy clearly deserves to be arrested and jailed.

And face it, his life is totally ruined.

He might as well be dead and off himself ASAP, his life is over.

The victims however, may or may not, suffer very much.

Maybe he gave them HIV, unlikely but possible.

That would be very tragic.

However, the psychological trauma and damage from such incidents would be very individual, I would think.

What I am getting at is the incredible moral outrage against this criminal COMPARED to the rather limited moral outrage against murderers.

I think I speak from the voice of rationality to think murderers are in actuality the most serious criminals, because the damage they inflict is 100 percent final everytime.

Dont bother...here people would hang this guy from moral outrage alone.

These are the same guys that think an admitted dealer of misery and death is getting a harsh deal over a 30 year jail sentence, Because he is a farang....

They dont see that a drug dealer can be responsible for ruined lives, death, disease and cost to the community....

Yes what this guy did is reprehensible....no doubt about it...and maybe 5 young lives could be affected...But to compare that with someone who deals in drugs for profit, no matter how much, and the assosciated problems that come with it, is chalk and cheese....

[kathyjune]

There may be a pedophile that has posted on this board. They can appear to be quite normal. They can be intelligent and terrific liars. They live in fear of getting caught but they can't stop their addiction.

[Mobi]

[Dont bother...here people would hang this guy from moral outrage alone.

These are the same guys that think an admitted dealer of misery and death is getting a harsh deal over a 30 year jail sentence, Because he is a farang....

They dont see that a drug dealer can be responsible for ruined lives, death, disease and cost to the community....

Yes what this guy did is reprehensible....no doubt about it...and maybe 5 young lives could be affected...But to compare that with someone who deals in drugs for profit, no matter how much, and the assosciated problems that come with it, is chalk and cheese....

Hi gburnsau.

I'm not going to start an argument with you as to who is worse? a drug dealer or a Paedophile - they are both very bad dudes, and I'll leave it for you and others to debate the varying degrees of 'badness'

However, your hi-lighted remark is a bit of a throw away. This guy got arrested with 5 kids. How many other kids was he 'messing' with in Pattaya and elsewhere before he got caught? Maybe dozens, maybe hundreds - who knows? We do know that some of those that have been caught in the west have admitted abusing hundreds (and sometimes thousands) of kids in a life time.

Please look at my earlier post. I do have some personal knowledge on this. Even mild sexual abuse can ruin a kid's life. It never goes away - some of them end up as suicides.

So let's not lighten this crime by saying 'maybe 5 young lives could be affected' It's probably a bit more than that mate.

[gburns57au]

Hi gburnsau.

I'm not going to start an argument with you as to who is worse? a drug dealer or a Paedophile - they are both very bad dudes, and I'll leave it for you and others to debate the varying degrees of 'badness'

However, your hi-lighted remark is a bit of a throw away. This guy got arrested with 5 kids. How many other kids was he 'messing' with in Pattaya and elsewhere before he got caught? Maybe dozens, maybe hundreds - who knows? We do know that some of those that have been caught in the west have admitted abusing hundreds (and sometimes thousands) of kids in a life time.

Please look at my earlier post. I do have some personal knowledge on this. Even mild sexual abuse can ruin a kid's life. It never goes away - some of them end up as suicides.

So let's not lighten this crime by saying 'maybe 5 young lives could be affected' It's probably a bit more than that mate.

Was not trying to lighten the crime Mobi....yes it may have been more than 5 kids...I wouldnt think it ran into hundreds...but dozens is possible...

I see the testimony of kids who have been abused many times so I am aware of the effects it can have...I would never trivialise it

My whole point was that some here are calling for capital punishment for this guy along with all forms of torture....and yet they cry foul cos some farang drug dealer gets 30 years in Thailand which is well known for harsh sentences for drug dealers...

Both are as bad as each other...both ruin countless lives and usually it is the innocent that pay the price.

Sorry if people cant agree with me....drugs are responsible for more crime than anything else in society.

[Weho]

What's worse, a pedophile or a drug dealer? I suppose a drug dealer's "victims" problems might be more apparent sooner than a pedophile's "victims"... many abused children end up just fine... maybe true also for drug addicts.

I know that in western countries, there is a great deal of sympathy for drug addicts... we go to the HUGE expense of "rehabilitating" them, paying for their therapy, legal processes, etc. With pedophiles, most people want to simply lock them up, for a long time, and have no patience for thearpy of "treatment". I'm not sure why we should pay to treat one type of criminal, but not pay to treat another type of criminal.

I am of the belief that paying to rehabilitate drug addicts sets a bad example and bad message... the message is, "go have your fun, take drugs, become an addict, and society will pay to treat you... so go have your fun, don't worry, we'll pay all the costs..." If we didn't pay to "treat" drug addicts, and let them rot in jail, it might send a strong message NOT to get involved in drugs. I trust that many pedophiles are hesitant to act on abusing children, cause they have a bigger FEAR than drug addicts have about going to prison. Right? So why is one type of criminal treated different than another type of criminal?

[creation2474]

Now...it's people like this that deserve more than a 30 years long stay in a thai prison, this guy should be beaten and torturated and after that call in a doctor to heal him and start it all over again, as many times as possible, I can't think of any word to describe such people...

You sound as sick as him.