laurentbkk Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 great , so he can continue his "business" but in another part of Bangkok. I would suggest to put cameras on the toll way after Don muang airport , there is a speed gun everyday and full of police if you speed up ... how many time I have been asked to pay something while I did nothing wrong. this is normal practice in all the Thai society , it will need a big change in mentality to go over this corruption . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Metropolitan Police Commissioner Khamronwit Thupkrachang yesterday ordered one of the officers, Police Lieutenant Colonel Suphachai Chaisuwan, transferred to Bang Saothong police station. He was last seen with a calculator poring over google earth and streetview images of Bang Saothong and working out maximum traffic flow vis a vis speed limits and convenient pre-pounce" hiding places,....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolgeoff Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 i agree it will be more discreet next time by someone else.or they will be looking for cameras nearby before they start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laobali Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Rotten to the core from top to bottom. The Royal Thai Police is a national disgrace and their nefarious activities are well known and documented which indict both the Government and Thai society as a whole But why pick on Thailand for this? Corruption of this type is endemic in many SE Asian countries – and other regions too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Why aren't we prosecuting the people who give the bribes as well? People take the fact that they can for granted. I have had my fair share of people trying to bribe me on the job and record every converstion. I only ever charged one. I was working in an area with a high Indian and Asian population (University close by) This particular guy tried to bribe me and after two warnings he came with the line "take the money and go buy yourself some nice doughnuts and a coffee" Apparently he thought Australian and American cops were the same. Aussie cops don't eat doughnuts. It was ok to try and bribe but never insult an aussie cop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Rotten to the core from top to bottom. The Royal Thai Police is a national disgrace and their nefarious activities are well known and documented which indict both the Government and Thai society as a whole But why pick on Thailand for this? Corruption of this type is endemic in many SE Asian countries – and other regions too. No one is picking on Thailand just commenting on a Thai incident. If they put stories about Indian or Korean, whatever on here then people would comment on them also. Some will even say why pick on Indian cops it happens in Thailand also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Can someone interpret that headline? Into which language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The office of inactive posts must be bursting at the seams. If they try to shove one more in there it is going to burst flooding the streets with corrupt officers. Where I am from these guys would be sttod down without pay, be charged internally and criminally and then fired. (if found guilty in criminal court) To be serious for a moment from what I can tell their pay does seem to be based on the idea that they will have to supplement it with bribes. If they want to stop it then there needs to be a basic change in this to a reasonable salary and strict adherence to rules. This is very much as you've described. I think publically rooting out corruption should come before a pay rise. Just giving them a pay rise won't achieve any drop in bribery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Why aren't we prosecuting the people who give the bribes as well? People take the fact that they can for granted. I have had my fair share of people trying to bribe me on the job and record every converstion. I only ever charged one. I was working in an area with a high Indian and Asian population (University close by) This particular guy tried to bribe me and after two warnings he came with the line "take the money and go buy yourself some nice doughnuts and a coffee" Apparently he thought Australian and American cops were the same. Aussie cops don't eat doughnuts. It was ok to try and bribe but never insult an aussie cop. So Aussie cops think it's ok to try and bribe them, according to you? Attempting to bribe a poice officer is an offence in lots of countries. If you are being arrested and/or charged and attempt to bribe your way out then that offence will be added to the charge sheet. Yes there are corrupt people everywhere - but in Asia, the Indian sub-continent, Africa and South America it seems the norm rather than the exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Rotten to the core from top to bottom. The Royal Thai Police is a national disgrace and their nefarious activities are well known and documented which indict both the Government and Thai society as a whole But why pick on Thailand for this? Corruption of this type is endemic in many SE Asian countries – and other regions too. Perhaps because this a story about corruption in Thailand, committed by Thai's under Thai law. The plea that people are picking on Thailand, belies the question, "Is there any good type of corruption?" To which I can't think of any type which is good. It is a very black or white issue, and as such, it isn't picking on Thailand, it is just stating the obvious, that it is an illegal practice. If people considered the true cost to the country of corruption, instead of moaning "but it goes on elsewhere", and united to really stamp it out, I can't think of anything that could happen that would be bad for the country. It would universally an improvement for EVERYONE in the country. So you see, to not be outraged, could be construed as not loving Thailand, and we all know how uppity people in Thailand get when they are accused of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TackyToo Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Thank you very much for this enlightening article. Slowly, slowly I begin to understand the true meaning of "thainess & thai tradition." I wonder what I will learn tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 No one takes a bribe in Thailand, donations are OK to take Exactly - the officer may have simply been giving sound advice on road safety and good driving and the recipient simply tipped the officer in apprecaiton for his time and effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Cancel the 5th course dessert at the policemans ball this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted May 16, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2013 I don't see the problem... Bung them a couple of hundred and on your way....would you rather the UK/US style alternative??? Yes. The problem is it ain't always a couple of hundred, and you ain't always done anything wrong. It's a shakedown and diverts the police from doing some real police work; and is part of the corrupt legal enforcement and judicial system which allows people to buy their way out of serious crimes like murder and rape. Problem is people like you don't see the problem till it works against you. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Does the convoluted phrase translate in Thai as "promotion" ? Are these numerous YouTube clips of police raking in the cash used as talent spotting by the heads of department? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren84310 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I don't see the problem... Bung them a couple of hundred and on your way....would you rather the UK/US style alternative??? In UK/US you actually have to do something wrong and not just be in the wrong place at the wrong time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) Why aren't we prosecuting the people who give the bribes as well? People take the fact that they can for granted. I have had my fair share of people trying to bribe me on the job and record every converstion. I only ever charged one. I was working in an area with a high Indian and Asian population (University close by) This particular guy tried to bribe me and after two warnings he came with the line "take the money and go buy yourself some nice doughnuts and a coffee" Apparently he thought Australian and American cops were the same. Aussie cops don't eat doughnuts. It was ok to try and bribe but never insult an aussie cop. So Aussie cops think it's ok to try and bribe them, according to you? Attempting to bribe a poice officer is an offence in lots of countries. If you are being arrested and/or charged and attempt to bribe your way out then that offence will be added to the charge sheet. Yes there are corrupt people everywhere - but in Asia, the Indian sub-continent, Africa and South America it seems the norm rather than the exception. No I didn't say that at all. Aussie cops can also be understanding and accept cultural differences. Like I said it was an area with universities and people from india and asia (international students) Police in thier home countries may very well accept bribes and they possibly believed the same traditions applied in Australia also. Using a little common sense and discretion they were generally warned the same does not apply in Aust as it does back home. Only after they had be warned and informed you can't do it in Aust and they persist in trying to bribe then would they be charged. The majority accept it after being told. Edited May 16, 2013 by chooka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDrinker Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I don't see the problem... Bung them a couple of hundred and on your way....would you rather the UK/US style alternative??? In UK/US you actually have to do something wrong and not just be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Tell that to Stefan Kiszko.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapout Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The deputy PM (in charge of the RTP) a few weeks ago, mumbled thru a reported bribe transaction as just part of the holiday season. Maybe the transfers of people should include this fellow? The real problem is finding a post which suits them, to send them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2008bangkok Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Got no problem with it, in all my time driving in thailand iv only ever been stopped for something that is my fault and rather than have all the shit of going down the police station, paying fine(probably double) its far more convinient that the BIB will take the money and save me any more hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post robblok Posted May 16, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2013 I don't see the problem... Bung them a couple of hundred and on your way....would you rather the UK/US style alternative??? You and I seem to have a totally different view here. This is just small time but because it exists its easier for the larger corruption things to exist and that leads to things like santika, a bridge that colapses killing 5, a total unsafe traffic, ect ect. If it was just this then I would not care. This is just a symptom and should be stamped out just like other corruption and I would not care to pay for real offences even if its a bit more to stamp this one out. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSkip Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Just cough up...or would you rather they framed you and stung you for far more down the station for all your protests? Bear in mind that at times 'doing something wrong' can merely be having white skin here... Don't sweat it... I don't protest and give my 200 baht donation. However that doesn't mean people should accept it. I think Thais are getting sick of it also but could not complain. It was pointless for them to go and report an officer to a station as they knew nothing would come of it and there was also the fear factor. Now Thais have found a better way and that is the social media where the officers and the Police force are being publical ashamed across the world. It has actually forced authorities to do something (as little as it may be). Absolutely...what a fine post. The drawback is though, when people can no longer get off with bunging the coppers a few hundred, and have to pay the full wallop, they'll be clamouring for a return to the current status quo. I think this was a fine post, but to the last poster..... its not a few 100baht any more....... its 400, 500, 1000b much more than the orig fine, if you have white skin and are not from BKK according to lic plates as the BIB can see.... I was told I ran a light when there was none to be seen (NO TRAFFIC LIGHT AT ALL) they jack up the rate and as I have been told "pay or come back tomorrow" as they hold your Drivers Lic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobi Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The other week I was stopped by a lone police in the outskirts of Korat when I was on my way to Nong Khai. He couldn't have possibly known what speed I was travelling but told me I must have been over the limit as I was in the outside lane! he asked me for 200 Baht, but my girl friend pleaded poverty and asked him if he would accept 100. He thought for a moment, then pointed to the gold chain on her wrist. Quick as a flash, I pointed out that the price of gold had recently plummeted. He considered my argument carefully and finally agreed to reduce the bung to 100 Baht. With a smile and a handshake we were on our way again. God Bless Thailand and the Thais.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The office of inactive posts must be bursting at the seams. If they try to shove one more in there it is going to burst flooding the streets with corrupt officers. Where I am from these guys would be sttod down without pay, be charged internally and criminally and then fired. (if found guilty in criminal court) To be serious for a moment from what I can tell their pay does seem to be based on the idea that they will have to supplement it with bribes. If they want to stop it then there needs to be a basic change in this to a reasonable salary and strict adherence to rules. This is very much as you've described. I think publically rooting out corruption should come before a pay rise. Just giving them a pay rise won't achieve any drop in bribery. Fair point. The biggest department in the Victoria Police Melbourne is the Ethical Standards Department. There are more police per head policing the police than police out policing the public. They are real pricks and will nab you for the slightest thing trying to protect and justify thier little empire. If you get a parking ticket they will know about it and hit you again, if you take a dump and forget to flush you are nicked. You are constantly watching your back all the time and you definately do not trust the guy/woman you are working with. You have to stay straight down the line or you are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Businessman Posted May 16, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2013 Rotten to the core from top to bottom. The Royal Thai Police is a national disgrace and their nefarious activities are well known and documented which indict both the Government and Thai society as a whole But why pick on Thailand for this? Corruption of this type is endemic in many SE Asian countries and other regions too. Duh! Cos it happened in Thailand, that's why! How many pea brains have to keep asking on this THAILAND forum we talk about Thailand and Thais. Seems your logic is a little off, you seem to think we should not talk about local issues and local people if, by chance, there are similar issue in another country. Why don't you start the "it only happens in Thailand" forum where members are only allowed to discuss things that only happen in Thailand and nowhere else in the world. I am forever perplexed at this attitude that if anything is said that is negative about the happenings in thailand that it is null and void because it happens somewhere else too. Get over it! Expect to read things about Thailand and Thais on this forum without having to expand each topic to global comparisons every time. End of rant 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedBusinessPerson Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Do Thais really speak like this "non-final expulsion order", "Superiors Of Bribes Taking Bangkok Traffic Police Officer Transferred" or is it just lost in translation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey4u Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 A few years back during the Asean conference in Hua Hin, I went north for a few days. On my way home I was stopped near Bangkok and asked for my licence, after showing a Thai drivers licence the BIB asked my wife why I not have International Thai licence. He only wanted 10,000 baht so I just said F- - - O- - and drove away My friend behind me copped a 1000 baht fine that he paid. Our offence we are farang. We just love this country its soooo entertaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Can we please get the police who take bribes to wear red arm bands It will save on my time, as I just pay them as they wave me in OOps Thai wife said they can not do this would better if the ones that do not take bribes wear a yellow Arm Band thi would mean less police wearing arm bands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedBusinessPerson Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 >> But why pick on Thailand for this? Corruption of this type is endemic in many SE Asian countries and other regions too. Love the SA version of corruption! At least here, you know where the money goes (feeds the cops kids, pays their rent, buys extra gifts during the holidays, etc.), but in the western version of corruption (in the form of crazy taxes, fees, and fines) that money is pooled into black holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Chuk Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I don't see the problem... Bung them a couple of hundred and on your way....would you rather the UK/US style alternative??? But a couple of hundren doesnt cut it... The last 2 times I have been stopped it has been Tb1500 and 1000. I had my (thai) wife with me, and she "discussed " but to no avail. The guy wouldnt budge. Now I know that I needn't have paid.. I could have just accepted the ticket.. but for reasons I didnt want to do this. (I'm here on a short term working contract so I would have left my wife to follow up for me) How to get them to accept a "couple of hundred?"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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