francescoassisi Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Care for the Wild have now released their updated report on the Tiger Temple. http://www.careforthewild.com/what-we-do/campaigns/temple-of-lies/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattayadingo Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 same same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francescoassisi Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share Posted May 17, 2013 Yes the temple is still producing the same misleading rubric. But they now have 100 ecologically useless beasts and still don't look after them correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrybankruad Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 OK so let's take the posted article as being true and factual. So now what? They recommend that tourists don't visit the site, in that case there will be no income, therefore the animals could not be cared for and would starve. And then, do they advocate the putting down (killing) of these animals? Perhaps they would advocate the distribution of the tigers to other zoos, a mammoth task (try moving 100 grown tigers). It's all very well criticising the temple and what is does with respect to these animals, but they have not (in this article anyway) suggested any viable alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) OK so let's take the posted article as being true and factual. So now what? They recommend that tourists don't visit the site, in that case there will be no income, therefore the animals could not be cared for and would starve. And then, do they advocate the putting down (killing) of these animals? Perhaps they would advocate the distribution of the tigers to other zoos, a mammoth task (try moving 100 grown tigers). It's all very well criticising the temple and what is does with respect to these animals, but they have not (in this article anyway) suggested any viable alternative.The fist step to fixing any problem is to recogise and accept that a problem exists. Right now the Thai authorities have been informed of the problem but they refuse to act (though curiously they have been swift to act against NGOs who have directly criticised members of the Thai government/National Parks Authority). The issue is not that the organisation reporting the abuse has not offered an alternative, rathe the Thai authorities are in full on denial mode. Edited May 17, 2013 by GuestHouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 OK so let's take the posted article as being true and factual. So now what? They recommend that tourists don't visit the site, in that case there will be no income, therefore the animals could not be cared for and would starve. And then, do they advocate the putting down (killing) of these animals? Perhaps they would advocate the distribution of the tigers to other zoos, a mammoth task (try moving 100 grown tigers). It's all very well criticising the temple and what is does with respect to these animals, but they have not (in this article anyway) suggested any viable alternative.The fist step to fixing any problem is to recogise and accept that a problem exists.Right now the Thai authorities have been informed of the problem but they refuse to act (though curiously they have been swift to act against NGOs who have directly criticised members of the Thai government/National Parks Authority). The issue is not that the organisation reporting the abuse has not offered an alternative, rathe the Thai authorities are in full on denial mode. That is the whole point in Thailand.. corruption and nepotism.. laws only apply if they can be used to punish someone you don't like. I love this country but its totally ineffective on many fields because of the corruption nepotism and such. Make all the laws you want.. but if you don't act on them or want to act on them or have officers taking bribes to look the other way they are all useless. An other government is probably the same.. this is so deeply ingrained that it will never change. They only use the law if it suits them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Its worse than that Robblok, the abuse to which the report addresses is being perpetrated by an organization which ought by its own teachings be fundemenatally oposed the abuse - There may be political corruption, there certainly is the corruption of easy money but the root problem is a moral corruption in the practice of Buddhism here in Thailand. And please, it was not imported from the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) OK so let's take the posted article as being true and factual. So now what? They recommend that tourists don't visit the site, in that case there will be no income, therefore the animals could not be cared for and would starve. And then, do they advocate the putting down (killing) of these animals? Perhaps they would advocate the distribution of the tigers to other zoos, a mammoth task (try moving 100 grown tigers). It's all very well criticising the temple and what is does with respect to these animals, but they have not (in this article anyway) suggested any viable alternative. OK so let's take the posted article as being true and factual. So now what? They recommend that tourists don't visit the site, in that case there will be no income, therefore the animals could not be cared for and would starve. And then, do they advocate the putting down (killing) of these animals? Perhaps they would advocate the distribution of the tigers to other zoos, a mammoth task (try moving 100 grown tigers). It's all very well criticising the temple and what is does with respect to these animals, but they have not (in this article anyway) suggested any viable alternative. . Yes they have - If you read most of the organisations that criticise the place you'll find that what they are asking for is "regime change" - to coin a phrase. However, the temple has repeatedly turned down offers of help and advice from other qualified sources. They are also calling for a stop to the unregulated breeding of more and more animals and that the temple stops making misleading claims about its purpose or benefits. some of their activities need to be stopped as they are only exacerbating the situation. Edited May 17, 2013 by wilcopops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourauntbob Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 OK so let's take the posted article as being true and factual. So now what? They recommend that tourists don't visit the site, in that case there will be no income, therefore the animals could not be cared for and would starve. And then, do they advocate the putting down (killing) of these animals? Perhaps they would advocate the distribution of the tigers to other zoos, a mammoth task (try moving 100 grown tigers). It's all very well criticising the temple and what is does with respect to these animals, but they have not (in this article anyway) suggested any viable alternative. So are you suggesting that people visit the temple even with the abuse that is going on? If people stop going then they will not continue to add more tigers into the temple/zoo. There is no undoing the harm already caused but maybe we can prevent future harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevvy Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 didnt the monks say not long ago when they had an inspection of some sort that only a handful of visitors go there each day ? and it costs them a huge amount of money to feed them ... been there once never again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalMan Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) What was the book or film that advocated releasing predators-of-humans into modern cities to restore the proper mechanisms of evolution? Let 'em all go in the streets of Pattaya, thin the herds a bit. . . Edited May 17, 2013 by PalMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Tigers are of course apex predators. they rely on there being enough prey in their local habitat to survive. Humans are not usually on the menu.......wild deer and pigs are the preferred diet. If however the local human population hunts these below a certain level then Tigers have to turn to other sources for food. There are large areas in Thailand that can support wild tiger populations but unfortunately K. Plodprasop and his various water schemes are reducing these areas as we speak. What was the book or film that advocated releasing predators-of-humans into modern cities to restore the proper mechanisms of evolution?Let 'em all go in the streets of Pattaya, thin the herds a bit. . . What was the book or film that advocated releasing predators-of-humans into modern cities to restore the proper mechanisms of evolution?Let 'em all go in the streets of Pattaya, thin the herds a bit. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 There is already a topic running regarding the Tiger Temple here: Tiger "temple of Lies" - A Follow Up Report... Please post your updates in that topic to reduce duplications. CLOSED 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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