It's Time For Thaksin To Respect The Rule Of Law: Senior Democrats

[whybother]

On balance, because of the military & judicial coups, I'd have to say no (ie. he'd be justified in funding a fightback).

btw, most likely the MIB were a military faction anyway

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A military faction funded by Thaksin.

[Pi Sek]

Or to put it another way... Thaksin won his election fairly in 2001, won fairly again in 2005 (through some "fairly" underhand tactics, much the same as how the last Democrat govt was formed... i.e. join us and get rich). Then he called a snap election, with some unbelievably dodgy election protocol and, when this election was annulled and the Election Commission (which Thaksin had stacked with allies) were impeached, he decided that he should be caretaker PM in 2006 after he dissolved his government at the behest of quite a lot of people. He is autocratic, the opposite of democratic.

As regards the Democrats under Abhisit, the boycott of the April 2006 snap election was absolutely justified and, yes, he has lost at every general election he has run in. But, to put it in perspective... he has always accepted the election results. Oh, and he never "stalled going to another". That decision was made by UDD leaders on television after one of them got an SMS. I have yet to see any evidence that suggests Abhisit's hand was forced to disperse a violent armed insurrection attempt, and I have yet to see anything that suggests this insurrection wasn't organised and funded by Thaksin. If Thaksin was organising and funding the armed faction of Red Shirts (which isn't proven), would that make him a terrorist in your book?

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter

Acknowledged, but that doesn't answer the question.

On balance, because of the military & judicial coups, I'd have to say no (ie. he'd be justified in funding a fightback).

btw, most likely the MIB were a military faction anyway

OK, so Thaksin was funding a "fightback" - against what...? The constitutional rules that he broke? Or the constitutional rules the army broke when they disbanded TRT? Or the unconstitutional removal of an unconstitutional caretaker PM? (The supreme Court didn't break any rules when they disbanded PPP.)

I do not believe from the facts we have available on public record that the MIB were a military faction. It is fairly clear that they were working together with the Red Shirt leadership, as the Truth & Reconciliation Committee found and provided evidence for.

[ogb]

On balance, because of the military & judicial coups, I'd have to say no (ie. he'd be justified in funding a fightback).

btw, most likely the MIB were a military faction anyway

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A military faction funded by Thaksin.

That is a possibility, and if that were the case he would still deserve a lesser sentence than that handed out to the coup leaders and their backers.

This is a thread about rule of law - I'm still trying to work out how an illegal military coup can be made legal - how was that done?

Edited May 22, 2013 by ogb

[whybother]

On balance, because of the military & judicial coups, I'd have to say no (ie. he'd be justified in funding a fightback).

btw, most likely the MIB were a military faction anyway

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A military faction funded by Thaksin.

That is a possibility, and if that were the case he would still deserve a lesser sentence than that handed out to the coup leaders and their backers.

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So now anyone that commits or funds armed insurrection should get off scot free just because the coup leaders did?

[ogb]

On balance, because of the military & judicial coups, I'd have to say no (ie. he'd be justified in funding a fightback).

btw, most likely the MIB were a military faction anyway

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A military faction funded by Thaksin.

That is a possibility, and if that were the case he would still deserve a lesser sentence than that handed out to the coup leaders and their backers.

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So now anyone that commits or funds armed insurrection should get off scot free just because the coup leaders did?

To do otherwise would be a double standard, wouldn't it?

[waza]

On balance, because of the military & judicial coups, I'd have to say no (ie. he'd be justified in funding a fightback).

btw, most likely the MIB were a military faction anyway

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A military faction funded by Thaksin.

That is a possibility, and if that were the case he would still deserve a lesser sentence than that handed out to the coup leaders and their backers.

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So now anyone that commits or funds armed insurrection should get off scot free just because the coup leaders did?

Or gives the RTP a licence to kill during the Thaksins war on drugs, or endorses the murder of hundreds of peaceful protestors in southern Thailand. Judge them all.

Edited May 22, 2013 by waza

[AleG]

On balance, because of the military & judicial coups, I'd have to say no (ie. he'd be justified in funding a fightback).

btw, most likely the MIB were a military faction anyway

.

A military faction funded by Thaksin.

That is a possibility, and if that were the case he would still deserve a lesser sentence than that handed out to the coup leaders and their backers.

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So now anyone that commits or funds armed insurrection should get off scot free just because the coup leaders did?

It's OK to be a terrorist as long as you are a good guy.

[waza]

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A military faction funded by Thaksin.

That is a possibility, and if that were the case he would still deserve a lesser sentence than that handed out to the coup leaders and their backers.

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So now anyone that commits or funds armed insurrection should get off scot free just because the coup leaders did?

It's OK to be a terrorist as long as you are a good guy.

Good guys don't kill women and children. How many women and children were killed in 2009 and 2010 and who killed them? Thaksin's redshirt/blackshirts were targeting army and civilians, that sounds like terrorism.

"The source said many red-shirt guards were Army conscripts who were paid Bt500 a day and given free meals by late Army specialist Khattiya Sawasdiphol. They paid Bt250 in bribe to their unit commanders, who are red sympathisers, to issue fake leave records."

Edited May 22, 2013 by waza

[daboyz1]

Some people around here have a real selective memory. The folks that were in power after the coup held elections. Thaksin's party (PPP at the time) and their coalition partners won enough seats in the election to form a coalition government. During this time while Thaksin's allies were running things, he felt the need to run off rather than face a prison sentence. After awhile some of their coalition partners left and they no longer had the majority. Then the Democrats and their partners held the majority of MPs and they selected Abhisit as PM. Rather than let the Democrat led coalition finish out their term, Thaksin had his goons hold Bangkok hostage for 2 months and then started a bunch of fires.

I swear there should be some kind of keyboard shortcut on this website where I can just hit <ALT> F8 or something so I don't have to keep giving this history lesson over and over.

I have noticed a couple things that Thaksin supporters seem to have in common. Their inability to understand how a parliamentary system works, and their shameless attempts to try and re-write history.

As far as I'm concerned, Thaksin wasn't even the PM when the coup occurred. He was in some kind of limbo care-taker status after he won an election that the opposition boycotted and the election results never received a royal endorsement.

[waza]

Some people around here have a real selective memory. The folks that were in power after the coup held elections. Thaksin's party (PPP at the time) and their coalition partners won enough seats in the election to form a coalition government. During this time while Thaksin's allies were running things, he felt the need to run off rather than face a prison sentence. After awhile some of their coalition partners left and they no longer had the majority. Then the Democrats and their partners held the majority of MPs and they selected Abhisit as PM. Rather than let the Democrat led coalition finish out their term, Thaksin had his goons hold Bangkok hostage for 2 months and then started a bunch of fires.

I swear there should be some kind of keyboard shortcut on this website where I can just hit <ALT> F8 or something so I don't have to keep giving this history lesson over and over.

I have noticed a couple things that Thaksin supporters seem to have in common. Their inability to understand how a parliamentary system works, and their shameless attempts to try and re-write history.

As far as I'm concerned, Thaksin wasn't even the PM when the coup occurred. He was in some kind of limbo care-taker status after he won an election that the opposition boycotted and the election results never received a royal endorsement.

They are just parroting the half truths and lies Yingluck spelt out in her Mongolian speech. Yingluck is a criminal's clone and they are her parrots. They are the new generation of the "I am more Thai than you"....... because I am a "redshirt"

[ogb]

Some people around here have a real selective memory. The folks that were in power after the coup held elections. Thaksin's party (PPP at the time) and their coalition partners won enough seats in the election to form a coalition government. During this time while Thaksin's allies were running things, he felt the need to run off rather than face a prison sentence. After awhile some of their coalition partners left and they no longer had the majority. Then the Democrats and their partners held the majority of MPs and they selected Abhisit as PM. Rather than let the Democrat led coalition finish out their term, Thaksin had his goons hold Bangkok hostage for 2 months and then started a bunch of fires.

I swear there should be some kind of keyboard shortcut on this website where I can just hit <ALT> F8 or something so I don't have to keep giving this history lesson over and over.

I have noticed a couple things that Thaksin supporters seem to have in common. Their inability to understand how a parliamentary system works, and their shameless attempts to try and re-write history.

As far as I'm concerned, Thaksin wasn't even the PM when the coup occurred. He was in some kind of limbo care-taker status after he won an election that the opposition boycotted and the election results never received a royal endorsement.

There's stuff that is unmentionable here, so I'll bid you farewell - until next time

[hellodolly]

Some people around here have a real selective memory. The folks that were in power after the coup held elections. Thaksin's party (PPP at the time) and their coalition partners won enough seats in the election to form a coalition government. During this time while Thaksin's allies were running things, he felt the need to run off rather than face a prison sentence. After awhile some of their coalition partners left and they no longer had the majority. Then the Democrats and their partners held the majority of MPs and they selected Abhisit as PM. Rather than let the Democrat led coalition finish out their term, Thaksin had his goons hold Bangkok hostage for 2 months and then started a bunch of fires.

I swear there should be some kind of keyboard shortcut on this website where I can just hit <ALT> F8 or something so I don't have to keep giving this history lesson over and over.

I have noticed a couple things that Thaksin supporters seem to have in common. Their inability to understand how a parliamentary system works, and their shameless attempts to try and re-write history.

As far as I'm concerned, Thaksin wasn't even the PM when the coup occurred. He was in some kind of limbo care-taker status after he won an election that the opposition boycotted and the election results never received a royal endorsement.

There's stuff that is unmentionable here, so I'll bid you farewell - until next time

There will never be a time here on Thai Visa when you can mention the unmentionable with out convicting Thaksin of more crimes so you choose the road.

No loss there unless you choose to tell the truth that has not been mentioned yet.

Do you have proof of the paper trail on the money from Thaksins bank account to the mindless rent a thugs. That would be unmentionable here as it would involve seeking you out by a black shirt.

So yes lert fear be your guideline.

[Thaddeus]

Some people around here have a real selective memory. The folks that were in power after the coup held elections. Thaksin's party (PPP at the time) and their coalition partners won enough seats in the election to form a coalition government. During this time while Thaksin's allies were running things, he felt the need to run off rather than face a prison sentence. After awhile some of their coalition partners left and they no longer had the majority. Then the Democrats and their partners held the majority of MPs and they selected Abhisit as PM. Rather than let the Democrat led coalition finish out their term, Thaksin had his goons hold Bangkok hostage for 2 months and then started a bunch of fires.

I swear there should be some kind of keyboard shortcut on this website where I can just hit <ALT> F8 or something so I don't have to keep giving this history lesson over and over.

I have noticed a couple things that Thaksin supporters seem to have in common. Their inability to understand how a parliamentary system works, and their shameless attempts to try and re-write history.

As far as I'm concerned, Thaksin wasn't even the PM when the coup occurred. He was in some kind of limbo care-taker status after he won an election that the opposition boycotted and the election results never received a royal endorsement.

There's stuff that is unmentionable here, so I'll bid you farewell - until next time

Hi Ho Silver Away.

(must have realised he's shooting blanks)

[creekside]

A military faction funded by Thaksin.

That is a possibility, and if that were the case he would still deserve a lesser sentence than that handed out to the coup leaders and their backers.

This is a thread about rule of law - I'm still trying to work out how an illegal military coup can be made legal - how was that done?

When the coup leader joined Team Thaksin

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/Reconciliation-for-Thailand-or-just-Thaksin-and-So-30183171.html

[Noistar]

It's time for Abhisit and Suthep to be HONEST and stand up for there's murder charges and wrongdoings!! Don't try to hide this behind Khun Thaksin.What he have done is "Peanuts" compare to Democratic party, PAD and coup maker's!!!

Keep on topic.

The Dems, Abhisit, the army ..Ad-nauseum.

Thaksin has a lot to answer for in his past and present activities. How come there is so much apparent conflict, hiding behind his "I did no wrong, honest guv" declarations.

When the Dems hide abroad pleading innocence, then compare them. Until that time, the Dems are here to answer to the law and are leagues ahead of this despot.