F1 Noise Should Not Have Much Impact To Sites Along Bangkok Race Circuit: Pollution Control Dept

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F1 noise doesn't rattle: Pollution Control Dept
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The noise of Formula One race cars should not have much impact to sites along the race circuit, Pollution Control Department director-general Wichien Jungrungruang said yesterday.

"Will the noise be annoying? It will be loud for the people nearby but it won't heavily affect the people outside the routes and far from the racing field. It is just a short period and short route," he said.

The highest noise levels in Formula One are between 125 and 130 decibels, which might be compared to road-construction equipment, Wichien said.

People next to the track would need ear protection, while 100 metres away the noise level would fall to around 105-110 decibels.

The standard level for workplace noise should not exceed 105 decibels for more than one hour. But race fans would be exposed to bursts of high noise for much shorter periods, Wichien said.

2015 bid eyed

Noise will also be the main cause of vibrations because the cars themselves are lightweight, Wichien said. They should not have any impact on the historic structures along the proposed Rattakosin Island race route, he said.

Air pollution is also not a concern, Wichien said, noting that 99 per cent of the fuel used in motor racing is the same as ordinary vehicles'.

Bangkok Metropolitan Administration deputy permanent-secretary Manit Techa-Apichok said yesterday that the BMA had agreed to cooperate with the Sports Authority of Thailand to bid for a Formula One race in 2015.

However, the BMA would first consider the project's environmental impact assessment. The project would also need approval from the Rattanakosin Island Committee, he said.

"The event organiser has to provide information on the impacts to the area surrounding the track for BMA to pass the consideration," Manit said.

Tanet Visetsri, secretary of the Engineering Institute of Thailand, said more study and inspection were needed to estimate the race's impact on structures.

The proposed 5.995-kilometre circuit would start at the Royal Thai Navy Dockyard at Ratchaworadit Pier and pass such landmarks as the Grand Palace, the Royal Plaza, Democracy Monument and the Temple of Dawn.


-- The Nation 2013-05-28

[Songhua]

About 125 to 130 decibels. So about as much as a tuktuk then?

Any one of Thailand's seventeen motor racing enthusiasts could have told them that.

[ramrod711]

Thailand.....the hub of motor racing?

[BookMan]

About 125 to 130 decibels. So about as much as a tuktuk then?

Any one of Thailand's seventeen motor racing enthusiasts could have told them that.

Maybe the pre race should be a tuk-tuk shoot out?

They could open some side roads and there could be detours to the Grand Palace and various gem shops

[BookMan]

Let's face it, the most decibels are going to be in the drivers cockpit.

[canman]

An F1 car going flat out generates nearly 150db of sound pressure. This is significantly louder than the 125-130 quoted. Anyone who has stood near a straight at an F1 race knows just how loud these machines are. There is an walkway overpass on the Singapore F1 circuit where if you stand there while the cars pass 3m below you, your vision blurs from the vibration.

[rubl]

May I suggest a research trip to Monte Carlo? Unfortunately the "Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2013" took place last Sunday, but we can prepare for the race next year. Also we could organize a preliminary field trip to look at the circuit there and already talk with officials, etc., etc.

[NongKhaiKid]

May I suggest a research trip to Monte Carlo? Unfortunately the "Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2013" took place last Sunday, but we can prepare for the race next year. Also we could organize a preliminary field trip to look at the circuit there and already talk with officials, etc., etc.

and all the wives could go too for the usual subsidised " chopping trip "

[NongKhaiKid]

With the Thai love of noise I wonder if the F1 cars would be drowned out by Bkk's ambient sounds ?

[kimamey]

May I suggest a research trip to Monte Carlo? Unfortunately the "Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2013" took place last Sunday, but we can prepare for the race next year. Also we could organize a preliminary field trip to look at the circuit there and already talk with officials, etc., etc.

If you're talking about government officials going on a tax funded trip then don't forget they should sample the casinos, restaurants and nightclubs ect. Purely as a fact finding exercise of course. Oh and they should take all their families as well and some tame journalists.

[bigbamboo]

About 125 to 130 decibels. So about as much as a tuktuk then?

Any one of Thailand's seventeen motor racing enthusiasts could have told them that.

Quite clearly neither Khun Wichien or any of his advisors have ever been to a Grand Prix!

[DocN]

...and TAT made a press release, that the noise of an F1 race will not affect tourism...oh...wait...

[LuckyLew]

who cares about F1? a stupid race when most of the time ends up in a parade procession

I am sure Thailand and it;s people have more pressing needs than spending time money

and effort on a sport they do not give a give hoot about

[meatboy]

just seen the cars racing around the track,and they are only talking about noise pollution,fing hell the spectators are sat inches from the track one mistake and we all know what will happen,thai way let it happen first.

[Hockeybik]

"Pollution Control Department"??? 5555

[Payboy]

Pollution Control Department director-general Wichien Jungrungruang said yesterday....

Bangkok Metropolitan Administration deputy permanent-secretary Manit Techa-Apichok said yesterday...

The project would also need approval from the Rattanakosin Island Committee, he said.

Tanet Visetsri, secretary of the Engineering Institute of Thailand, said...

So at least 4 pretenders want a piece of the cake. I'm guessing more will show up soon.

[BookMan]

May I suggest a research trip to Monte Carlo? Unfortunately the "Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2013" took place last Sunday, but we can prepare for the race next year. Also we could organize a preliminary field trip to look at the circuit there and already talk with officials, etc., etc.

If you're talking about government officials going on a tax funded trip then don't forget they should sample the casinos, restaurants and nightclubs ect. Purely as a fact finding exercise of course. Oh and they should take all their families as well and some tame journalists.

The possibilities are endless

[ratcatcher]

"The proposed 5.995-kilometre circuit would start at the Royal Thai Navy Dockyard at Ratchaworadit Pier and pass such landmarks as the Grand Palace, the Royal Plaza, Democracy Monument and the Temple of Dawn."

Temple of dawn - Wat Arun.

Does The Nation's writer have any idea of the distance between Wat Arun, The Royal Thai Navy Dockyard in Bangkok Yai (Thonburi) and The Royal Plaza, or will the race be a tour of the monuments of Bangkok.

Closing off the Pinklao bridge will also be a popular move as well as buzzing Sirirat Hospital.

This race should never be allowed to happen at this location.

[dominique355]

Noise is not the problem. Pollution is, but not from the racing cars. Rather from the huge traffic jam the closing of the roads will cause.

And a Formula 1 race is not just 2 hours on a Sunday, it's also two 90 min free practice sessions on Friday, a free practice session of 60 min and the qualifying on Saturday and perhaps even some minor races before the main event. So the area around the track will pretty much be closed down for 3 to 4 days, taking into account that the track has to be set up with guard-rails, pit lane, spectators tribunes etc.

I for sure won't go there, not even close, for the whole week, if .... this will ever happen, which I highly doubt.

[noitom]

But this F1 race would be a big help to Cavallino Motors of Thailand the sole distributor of Ferrari in Thailand and Red Bull, a major F1 sponsor. Ferrari and Red Bull are major factors in F1 racing. Ferrari has proved its noteworthiness on the streets of Bangkok already. The police are well aware of Ferrari's speed capabilities on city streets. The F1 race scheduled for Thailand will provide a big boost to sales for Cavallino Motors, Ferrari and Red Bull. These F1 marketing and sales opportunities are extremely important to Red Bull, Ferrari and the Thai good old boys as well as the Thai people. The Thai people will want to queue up for their Ferraris while slurping European Red Bull in silver cans.

Edited May 28, 2013 by noitom

[canman]

But this F1 race would be a big help to Cavallino Motors of Thailand the sole distributor of Ferrari in Thailand and Red Bull, a major F1 sponsor. Ferrari and Red Bull are major factors in F1 racing. Ferrari has proved its noteworthiness on the streets of Bangkok already. The police are well aware of Ferrari's speed capabilities on city. The F1 race scheduled for Thailand will provide a big boost to sales for Cavallino Motors, Ferrari and Red Bull. These F1 marketing and sales opportunities are extremely important to Red Bull, Ferrari and the Thai good old boys as well as the Thai people. The Thai people will want to queue up for their Ferraris while slurping European Red Bull in silver cans.

It's all up to Bernie. He is the one who makes the decision on where races will be held. I think he is regretting the India decision and I can't see him taking on Thailand anytime in the near term.

[jbrain]

About 125 to 130 decibels. So about as much as a tuktuk then?

Any one of Thailand's seventeen motor racing enthusiasts could have told them that.

Maybe the pre race should be a tuk-tuk shoot out?

They could open some side roads and there could be detours to the Grand Palace and various gem shops

So the one who counts up the longest distance to reach the finish line would be the winner?

[BookMan]

About 125 to 130 decibels. So about as much as a tuktuk then?

Any one of Thailand's seventeen motor racing enthusiasts could have told them that.

Maybe the pre race should be a tuk-tuk shoot out?

They could open some side roads and there could be detours to the Grand Palace and various gem shops

So the one who counts up the longest distance to reach the finish line would be the winner?

Not a bad idea.

Could be some bonus points for each passenger per tuk tuk the can pick up

[lomatopo]

I think it might take at least ten days to prep the course, so traffic would be impacted for at least two weeks, assuming it takes as little as four days to dismantle the track prep?

And the noise will impact patients at Sriraraj Hospital. Clearly this wasn't thought through, employing the time-honored technique here of floating half-a$$ed ideas in order to identify obstacles and opponents.

[GentlemanJim]

Well it sounds like the statement of 'shouldnt be a problem' in the OP has been based on a lot of quantative data and research........ NOT!

[rubl]

I just remembered the red bull team with all it's extra's :-)

[HarryMilton]

who cares about F1? a stupid race when most of the time ends up in a parade procession

I am sure Thailand and it;s people have more pressing needs than spending time money

and effort on a sport they do not give a give hoot about

Apart from you, who says Thai people don't give a hoot about "stupid" F1? There is always something more pressing to spend money on than any sport.

[Garry]

An F1 car going flat out generates nearly 150db of sound pressure. This is significantly louder than the 125-130 quoted. Anyone who has stood near a straight at an F1 race knows just how loud these machines are. There is an walkway overpass on the Singapore F1 circuit where if you stand there while the cars pass 3m below you, your vision blurs from the vibration.

Definitely high SPL is the main issue and I've seen tests of 145 and above.

[HarryMilton]

But this F1 race would be a big help to Cavallino Motors of Thailand the sole distributor of Ferrari in Thailand and Red Bull, a major F1 sponsor. Ferrari and Red Bull are major factors in F1 racing. Ferrari has proved its noteworthiness on the streets of Bangkok already. The police are well aware of Ferrari's speed capabilities on city streets. The F1 race scheduled for Thailand will provide a big boost to sales for Cavallino Motors, Ferrari and Red Bull. These F1 marketing and sales opportunities are extremely important to Red Bull, Ferrari and the Thai good old boys as well as the Thai people. The Thai people will want to queue up for their Ferraris while slurping European Red Bull in silver cans.

Any reason you pick on Ferrari and Red Bull and infer that they shouldn't benefit from F1or was it just an excuse to go off-topic to an incident that is currently being investigated/prosecuted. They are not the only companies to benefit, other auto manufacturer beneficiaries of F1 exposure you have omitted are Lotus, Mercedes, McLaren, Infiniti, Caterham, Renault.

[Rorri]

_{The thing is, as far as I know, Thailand hasn't actually been told they have the F1. Let's face it, there is so much wrong with the streets, these cars can't be pushed along them, never mind race. Who in their right mind would bring their teams here, when there are so many better places to go.}