Don't Vote For Thai Amnesty Bill, Fabio Polenghi's Sister Pleads

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Don't Vote For Amnesty Bill, Fabio's Sister Pleads

BANGKOK: -- Sister of the Italian photographer Fabio Polenghi, who was killed during military crackdown in Bangkok on 19 May 2010, expressed her opposition to any bill that will grant amnesty to those responsible of the military operation which resulted in her brother′s death.

Speaking in the press conference at Foreign Correspondent Club of Thailand (FCCT) in downtown Bangkok after the court inquest ruled that Fabio was killed by bullet fired from the military′s direction, Ms. Elizabeth Polenghi said she′s aware there are 2 separate drafts of Reconciliation Act being considered by the Pheu Thai Party leadership.

She said she′s very concerned about the one proposed by Vice PM Chalerm Yoobamrung which would grant amnesty to all those involved in political cases from 2006 to 2010 including former PM Abhisit Vejjajeeva, who had been charged with murders for his role in ordering crackdown against the Redshirts; the military would also benefit from the amnesty.

She pleads to the Pheu Thai MPs not to vote for the bill. "Please place your hand over heart before you vote for this bill, and think of the children, of the families of those who lost their lives," she said, insisting that absolving the authorities of their responsibility would destroy every effort she and other families of the victims had been putting into their quest for justice in the last 3 years. [more...]

Full story: http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNMk9Ua3hOekl3TlE9PQ

-- Khaosod Online 2013-05-31

[Valentine]

As much as I feel sorry for the death of her brother it seems she is getting a lot of media publicity. I guess the other people who lost loved ones just don't rate.

[bigbamboo]

This will not be well received in Dubai.

I have a feeling Fabio will go from targeted victim to irresponsible farang is short order.

[Sing_Sling]

As much as I feel sorry for the death of her brother it seems she is getting a lot of media publicity. I guess the other people who lost loved ones just don't rate.

So what if she is receiving a lot of publicity - why would you have a problem with that? I guess had your brother/sister/mother/father been murdered you would simply shrug your shoulders and keep keep stuffing burgers down your throat, preferring to not make a fuss as you wouldn't want to stand out from the crowd of murder victims.

Respect for this woman - she is an example as to how the other victims should be vocal

[rametindallas]

If Dr. Thaksin hadn't funded (there's lots of proof that he did) his attempted coup d’état by the Red Shirt mobs in 2010 there wouldn't be a need for 'Amnesty' or 'Reconciliation' bills now and 93 +or- people and their families would still be whole. Khun Tarit knows full well who funded and then escalated the violence that Spring. Khun Tarit is protecting himself and Dr. Thaksin and is a willing tool of Dr. Thaksin's ambitions. The families of 'Nurse Kate and Mr. Polenghi will not be bought off and this is creating difficulties for the PTP. There is also a large faction of Red Shirts who are against amnesty of any kind as they have been convinced that the Red Shirts did nothing wrong and that all the blame goes to Abhisit, Suthep, the Army, and the Amataya that fund and support them.

[Sing_Sling]

If Dr. Thaksin hadn't funded (there's lots of proof that he did) his attempted coup d’état by the Red Shirt mobs in 2010 there wouldn't be a need for 'Amnesty' or 'Reconciliation' bills now and 93 +or- people and their families would still be whole. Khun Tarit knows full well who funded and then escalated the violence that Spring. Khun Tarit is protecting himself and Dr. Thaksin and is a willing tool of Dr. Thaksin's ambitions. The families of 'Nurse Kate and Mr. Polenghi will not be bought off and this is creating difficulties for the PTP. There is also a large faction of Red Shirts who are against amnesty of any kind as they have been convinced that the Red Shirts did nothing wrong and that all the blame goes to Abhisit, Suthep, the Army, and the Amataya that fund and support them.

So . . . you're blaming the murder of this man on Thaksin and his policies?

That is the most pathetic 'reasoning' and apologist rubbish I have ever read. Yes, Thaksin belongs in jail for a very, very long time but to direct causality like this is simply . . . dumb.

[jaidam]

If Dr. Thaksin hadn't funded (there's lots of proof that he did) his attempted coup d’état by the Red Shirt mobs in 2010 there wouldn't be a need for 'Amnesty' or 'Reconciliation' bills now and 93 +or- people and their families would still be whole. Khun Tarit knows full well who funded and then escalated the violence that Spring. Khun Tarit is protecting himself and Dr. Thaksin and is a willing tool of Dr. Thaksin's ambitions. The families of 'Nurse Kate and Mr. Polenghi will not be bought off and this is creating difficulties for the PTP. There is also a large faction of Red Shirts who are against amnesty of any kind as they have been convinced that the Red Shirts did nothing wrong and that all the blame goes to Abhisit, Suthep, the Army, and the Amataya that fund and support them.

So . . . you're blaming the murder of this man on Thaksin and his policies?

That is the most pathetic 'reasoning' and apologist rubbish I have ever read. Yes, Thaksin belongs in jail for a very, very long time but to direct causality like this is simply . . . dumb.

Most impartial observers blame Thaksin for the 91+ deaths during the red riots. Something to do with his paid armed gangs attempted coup in 2010, holding Bangkok to ransom, invading hospitals, shooting RPGs, and generally trying to cause anarchy in order to allow his return as a free man.

Trying to deflect the blame from the instigator is intellectually dishonest.

[thaicbr]

If Dr. Thaksin hadn't funded (there's lots of proof that he did) his attempted coup d’état by the Red Shirt mobs in 2010 there wouldn't be a need for 'Amnesty' or 'Reconciliation' bills now and 93 +or- people and their families would still be whole. Khun Tarit knows full well who funded and then escalated the violence that Spring. Khun Tarit is protecting himself and Dr. Thaksin and is a willing tool of Dr. Thaksin's ambitions. The families of 'Nurse Kate and Mr. Polenghi will not be bought off and this is creating difficulties for the PTP. There is also a large faction of Red Shirts who are against amnesty of any kind as they have been convinced that the Red Shirts did nothing wrong and that all the blame goes to Abhisit, Suthep, the Army, and the Amataya that fund and support them.

 

So . . . you're blaming the murder of this man on Thaksin and his policies?

 

That is the most pathetic 'reasoning' and apologist rubbish I have ever read.  Yes, Thaksin belongs in jail for a very, very long time but to direct causality like this is simply  . . . dumb.

Really! Why?

Thaksin was the reason the reds were there.

Thaksin was the reason the reds didn't honour the agreement made. A phone call at the 11th hour from Thaksin.

Thaksins minions on stage are the ones that stoked up the crowd to fever pitch.

Thaksins watermelon police did nothing in the beginning to restrict the rally.

So yes Thaksin and the red leaders are also responsible for what happened as are Abhisit and Suthep. Stupid decisions were made. Lack of training and command at army level compounded those decisions.

Sent from my i-mobile i-STYLE Q6

[Tatsujin]

If Dr. Thaksin hadn't funded (there's lots of proof that he did) his attempted coup d’état by the Red Shirt mobs in 2010 there wouldn't be a need for 'Amnesty' or 'Reconciliation' bills now and 93 +or- people and their families would still be whole. Khun Tarit knows full well who funded and then escalated the violence that Spring. Khun Tarit is protecting himself and Dr. Thaksin and is a willing tool of Dr. Thaksin's ambitions. The families of 'Nurse Kate and Mr. Polenghi will not be bought off and this is creating difficulties for the PTP. There is also a large faction of Red Shirts who are against amnesty of any kind as they have been convinced that the Red Shirts did nothing wrong and that all the blame goes to Abhisit, Suthep, the Army, and the Amataya that fund and support them.

So . . . you're blaming the murder of this man on Thaksin and his policies?

That is the most pathetic 'reasoning' and apologist rubbish I have ever read. Yes, Thaksin belongs in jail for a very, very long time but to direct causality like this is simply . . . dumb.

Are you forgetting the chaos caused by this peaceful protest, the one where the Red's were ordered to burn Bangkok, the one where they took over, looted, destroyed, caused damage and explosions and death? At the time the shootings occurred, the protests had been declared illegal and people were given the opportunity to leave. They chose not to. And I still remember seeing those men in black live on TV at the time.

[rametindallas]

If Dr. Thaksin hadn't funded (there's lots of proof that he did) his attempted coup d’état by the Red Shirt mobs in 2010 there wouldn't be a need for 'Amnesty' or 'Reconciliation' bills now and 93 +or- people and their families would still be whole. Khun Tarit knows full well who funded and then escalated the violence that Spring. Khun Tarit is protecting himself and Dr. Thaksin and is a willing tool of Dr. Thaksin's ambitions. The families of 'Nurse Kate and Mr. Polenghi will not be bought off and this is creating difficulties for the PTP. There is also a large faction of Red Shirts who are against amnesty of any kind as they have been convinced that the Red Shirts did nothing wrong and that all the blame goes to Abhisit, Suthep, the Army, and the Amataya that fund and support them.

So . . . you're blaming the murder of this man on Thaksin and his policies?

That is the most pathetic 'reasoning' and apologist rubbish I have ever read. Yes, Thaksin belongs in jail for a very, very long time but to direct causality like this is simply . . . dumb.

Don't change the subject; I never mentioned Dr. Thaksin's policies. My statement is that the Red Shirt demonstrations at Pan Fa Bridge and later Ratchaprasong intersection would not have happened if Dr. Thaksin had not ordered and paid for it. There's lots of evidence of Khun Potjamarn withdrawing huge sums of cash during this time, huge transfers of money across the Cambodian border, and videos on youtube of daily payments being made to the protestors. The Red Shirt leaders had agreed with PM Abhisit's proposal to hold early elections but a 'phone call' came through and the deal was off. Why do you think people are stupid enough to believe that whole protest was grass-roots and spontaneous? I'm blaming Dr. Thaksin for the murder of the reporter and of all 93 +or- people killed because he wanted to overthrow the government and walk back into Thailand a Caesar. Dr. Thaksin is responsible for every injury and property damage associated with the protest since it was totally at his behest on only benefited him. Your statement is the pathetic one... and dumb.

[jbrain]

As much as I feel sorry for the death of her brother it seems she is getting a lot of media publicity. I guess the other people who lost loved ones just don't rate.

So what if she is receiving a lot of publicity - why would you have a problem with that? I guess had your brother/sister/mother/father been murdered you would simply shrug your shoulders and keep keep stuffing burgers down your throat, preferring to not make a fuss as you wouldn't want to stand out from the crowd of murder victims.

Respect for this woman - she is an example as to how the other victims should be vocal

Her Brother wasn't murdered, he was a reporter in a warzone. Many of them get shot by accident.

Are all the reporters that get shot in Iraq or Afghanistan murdered ?

[Valentine]

As much as I feel sorry for the death of her brother it seems she is getting a lot of media publicity. I guess the other people who lost loved ones just don't rate.

So what if she is receiving a lot of publicity - why would you have a problem with that? I guess had your brother/sister/mother/father been murdered you would simply shrug your shoulders and keep keep stuffing burgers down your throat, preferring to not make a fuss as you wouldn't want to stand out from the crowd of murder victims.

Respect for this woman - she is an example as to how the other victims should be vocal

I don't have a problem with her receiving publicity but why don't the media give all the victims & their families more attention including soldiers who lost their lives. Could it be the hand of a certain Mr Amsterdam who feels this will garner more attention internationally than the Thai victims. BTW your burger comment is pathetic to say the least & nothing whatsoever to do with the thread.

[Manbing]

The Thai government have a duty to their citizens to uphold the law. Where force is used to quell opposition against armed insurrection. There shouldn't be any personal liability for those doing their duty. Aphasits government tried to negotiate a peaceful resolution to this situation, publically on tv, for all of Thailand to watch. after reaching agreement. Even surcoming for demands to hold elections, the redshirts renegged on their agreement. It was clear they wan't to provoke a violent conflict. Publically staing they would only leave when they were dead.

The government carried out their duty. the unfortunate people who died had plenty of warning to leave the area.

How is there liability? I cannot think of a single government in the west who would have allowed armed protesters to hold the centre of their capital city to ransom in this way.

[Curt1591]

If Dr. Thaksin hadn't funded (there's lots of proof that he did) his attempted coup d’état by the Red Shirt mobs in 2010 there wouldn't be a need for 'Amnesty' or 'Reconciliation' bills now and 93 +or- people and their families would still be whole. Khun Tarit knows full well who funded and then escalated the violence that Spring. Khun Tarit is protecting himself and Dr. Thaksin and is a willing tool of Dr. Thaksin's ambitions. The families of 'Nurse Kate and Mr. Polenghi will not be bought off and this is creating difficulties for the PTP. There is also a large faction of Red Shirts who are against amnesty of any kind as they have been convinced that the Red Shirts did nothing wrong and that all the blame goes to Abhisit, Suthep, the Army, and the Amataya that fund and support them.

So . . . you're blaming the murder of this man on Thaksin and his policies?

That is the most pathetic 'reasoning' and apologist rubbish I have ever read. Yes, Thaksin belongs in jail for a very, very long time but to direct causality like this is simply . . . dumb.

Welcome to ThaiVisa!

[Nickymaster]

If Dr. Thaksin hadn't funded (there's lots of proof that he did) his attempted coup d’état by the Red Shirt mobs in 2010 there wouldn't be a need for 'Amnesty' or 'Reconciliation' bills now and 93 +or- people and their families would still be whole. Khun Tarit knows full well who funded and then escalated the violence that Spring. Khun Tarit is protecting himself and Dr. Thaksin and is a willing tool of Dr. Thaksin's ambitions. The families of 'Nurse Kate and Mr. Polenghi will not be bought off and this is creating difficulties for the PTP. There is also a large faction of Red Shirts who are against amnesty of any kind as they have been convinced that the Red Shirts did nothing wrong and that all the blame goes to Abhisit, Suthep, the Army, and the Amataya that fund and support them.

So . . . you're blaming the murder of this man on Thaksin and his policies?

That is the most pathetic 'reasoning' and apologist rubbish I have ever read. Yes, Thaksin belongs in jail for a very, very long time but to direct causality like this is simply . . . dumb.

Welcome to ThaiVisa!

Tomorrow will be Saturday

[Sing_Sling]

If Dr. Thaksin hadn't funded (there's lots of proof that he did) his attempted coup d’état by the Red Shirt mobs in 2010 there wouldn't be a need for 'Amnesty' or 'Reconciliation' bills now and 93 +or- people and their families would still be whole. Khun Tarit knows full well who funded and then escalated the violence that Spring. Khun Tarit is protecting himself and Dr. Thaksin and is a willing tool of Dr. Thaksin's ambitions. The families of 'Nurse Kate and Mr. Polenghi will not be bought off and this is creating difficulties for the PTP. There is also a large faction of Red Shirts who are against amnesty of any kind as they have been convinced that the Red Shirts did nothing wrong and that all the blame goes to Abhisit, Suthep, the Army, and the Amataya that fund and support them.

So . . . you're blaming the murder of this man on Thaksin and his policies?

That is the most pathetic 'reasoning' and apologist rubbish I have ever read. Yes, Thaksin belongs in jail for a very, very long time but to direct causality like this is simply . . . dumb.

Don't change the subject; I never mentioned Dr. Thaksin's policies. My statement is that the Red Shirt demonstrations at Pan Fa Bridge and later Ratchaprasong intersection would not have happened if Dr. Thaksin had not ordered and paid for it. There's lots of evidence of Khun Potjamarn withdrawing huge sums of cash during this time, huge transfers of money across the Cambodian border, and videos on youtube of daily payments being made to the protestors. The Red Shirt leaders had agreed with PM Abhisit's proposal to hold early elections but a 'phone call' came through and the deal was off. Why do you think people are stupid enough to believe that whole protest was grass-roots and spontaneous? I'm blaming Dr. Thaksin for the murder of the reporter and of all 93 +or- people killed because he wanted to overthrow the government and walk back into Thailand a Caesar. Dr. Thaksin is responsible for every injury and property damage associated with the protest since it was totally at his behest on only benefited him. Your statement is the pathetic one... and dumb.

You're casting the widest net possible to make the story fit your ideas and beliefs - it may be fun but it doesn't prove anything

As much as I feel sorry for the death of her brother it seems she is getting a lot of media publicity. I guess the other people who lost loved ones just don't rate.

So what if she is receiving a lot of publicity - why would you have a problem with that? I guess had your brother/sister/mother/father been murdered you would simply shrug your shoulders and keep keep stuffing burgers down your throat, preferring to not make a fuss as you wouldn't want to stand out from the crowd of murder victims.

Respect for this woman - she is an example as to how the other victims should be vocal

Her Brother wasn't murdered, he was a reporter in a warzone. Many of them get shot by accident.

Are all the reporters that get shot in Iraq or Afghanistan murdered ?

A warzone . . . Bangkok on par with Afghanistan and Iraq . . . do you listen to yourself sometimes?

[Sing_Sling]

So what if she is receiving a lot of publicity - why would you have a problem with that? I guess had your brother/sister/mother/father been murdered you would simply shrug your shoulders and keep keep stuffing burgers down your throat, preferring to not make a fuss as you wouldn't want to stand out from the crowd of murder victims.

Respect for this woman - she is an example as to how the other victims should be vocal

I don't have a problem with her receiving publicity but why don't the media give all the victims & their families more attention including soldiers who lost their lives. Could it be the hand of a certain Mr Amsterdam who feels this will garner more attention internationally than the Thai victims. BTW your burger comment is pathetic to say the least & nothing whatsoever to do with the thread.

You are being extremely obtuse - now you bring Thaksin into it . . . the woman is raining hell and keeps raising hell because her brother was murdered - the point that not all others do th same has nothing to do with her nor Thaksin.

That is what is pathetic - but keep those burgers rolling

If Dr. Thaksin hadn't funded (there's lots of proof that he did) his attempted coup d’état by the Red Shirt mobs in 2010 there wouldn't be a need for 'Amnesty' or 'Reconciliation' bills now and 93 +or- people and their families would still be whole. Khun Tarit knows full well who funded and then escalated the violence that Spring. Khun Tarit is protecting himself and Dr. Thaksin and is a willing tool of Dr. Thaksin's ambitions. The families of 'Nurse Kate and Mr. Polenghi will not be bought off and this is creating difficulties for the PTP. There is also a large faction of Red Shirts who are against amnesty of any kind as they have been convinced that the Red Shirts did nothing wrong and that all the blame goes to Abhisit, Suthep, the Army, and the Amataya that fund and support them.

So . . . you're blaming the murder of this man on Thaksin and his policies?

That is the most pathetic 'reasoning' and apologist rubbish I have ever read. Yes, Thaksin belongs in jail for a very, very long time but to direct causality like this is simply . . . dumb.

Welcome to ThaiVisa!

It's quite ridiculous.

I have no love for the man (Thaksin), believe he should be held accountable for all his crimes from his telecom days to the southern massacres and beyond . . . and believe he should spend a very long time in jail . . .

What I find irritating is this knee-jerk apologist reaction by foreigners in defending Abisith and blaming Thaksin at all costs. It not only sounds ludicrous but also quite . . . silly in a childish way

[seajae]

As much as I feel sorry for the death of her brother it seems she is getting a lot of media publicity. I guess the other people who lost loved ones just don't rate.

So what if she is receiving a lot of publicity - why would you have a problem with that? I guess had your brother/sister/mother/father been murdered you would simply shrug your shoulders and keep keep stuffing burgers down your throat, preferring to not make a fuss as you wouldn't want to stand out from the crowd of murder victims.

Respect for this woman - she is an example as to how the other victims should be vocal

I would have made sure they got to the truth of it and not simply what the ptp/red shirts/thaksin were pushing for their own benefit. Looks like she is prepared to work with the ones that likely were the cause of the death rather than look for the truth.

[Baerboxer]

This will not be well received in Dubai.

I have a feeling Fabio will go from targeted victim to irresponsible farang is short order.

Hmmm. Not sure about that. This lady is being carefully staged managed by somebody. She asserts the guilt of people prior to trial on trumped up murder charges that would never be brought in her own country. She then asserts she is in favour of allowing those who were illegally rioting to be allowed amnesty without any trial. Has she reveiwed all the evidence personally or is it a statement based on political bias.

She is either allowing grief to cloud her judgement or very naieve or being heavily influenced and manipulated. Its easy to believe what we want to believe especially if it appears those in authortiy support that belief.

I wonder who is financing this trip for the mother and sisters? Flights, hotels, organizing travel and now press conferences.

This will get much more international coverage because they are Italians rather than Thia. You can imagine the headlines - guilty as charged before any trial even though the court rules it is not possible to identify the killers. All helps in trying to forward the blanket amnesty and whitewash.

[pilot321]

No amnesty?

Is this also the position of the red shirt lawyer Karom that is also representing her?

Is Karom advocating the prosecution of red shirts for their crimes? I could understand if he did as his client list will be even longer then.

[amore]

As much as I feel sorry for the death of her brother it seems she is getting a lot of media publicity. I guess the other people who lost loved ones just don't rate.

So what if she is receiving a lot of publicity - why would you have a problem with that? I guess had your brother/sister/mother/father been murdered you would simply shrug your shoulders and keep keep stuffing burgers down your throat, preferring to not make a fuss as you wouldn't want to stand out from the crowd of murder victims.

Respect for this woman - she is an example as to how the other victims should be vocal

I would have made sure they got to the truth of it and not simply what the ptp/red shirts/thaksin were pushing for their own benefit. Looks like she is prepared to work with the ones that likely were the cause of the death rather than look for the truth.

She has the truth. What she is saying is do not let the perpetrators get away with it. Seems perfectly reasonable. Her brother was illegally killed by the military as the Courts verdict shows - she is asking the MP's not to pass an amnesty bill that absolves the military (and by extension Abhisit and Suthep as the ones responsible for signing the ROE/s).

[brianb1944]

This will not be well received in Dubai.

I have a feeling Fabio will go from targeted victim to irresponsible farang is short order.

It seems Fabio,in his zeal to do his job, just was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and a "collateral casualty of war." RIP Fabio.

[pilot321]

 

As much as I feel sorry for the death of her brother it seems she is getting a lot of media publicity. I guess the other people who lost loved ones just don't rate.

So what if she is receiving a lot of publicity - why would you have a problem with that? I guess had your brother/sister/mother/father been murdered you would simply shrug your shoulders and keep keep stuffing burgers down your throat, preferring to not make a fuss as you wouldn't want to stand out from the crowd of murder victims.

Respect for this woman - she is an example as to how the other victims should be vocal

I would have made sure they got to the truth of it and not simply what the ptp/red shirts/thaksin were pushing for their own benefit. Looks like she is prepared to work with the ones that likely were the cause of the death rather than look for the truth.

She has the truth. What she is saying is do not let the perpetrators get away with it. Seems perfectly reasonable. Her brother was illegally killed by the military as the Courts verdict shows - she is asking the MP's not to pass an amnesty bill that absolves the military (and by extension Abhisit and Suthep as the ones responsible for signing the ROE/s).

 

I hope she gets her wish and that no amnesty is given to anyone, but she'll likely have to change her attorney as he'll be too busy defending Jatuporn and the other red shirt thugs.

Disturbing to her cause is that out of all the lawyers in Thailand, she selects the one most damaging to her credibility.

[amore]

This will not be well received in Dubai.

I have a feeling Fabio will go from targeted victim to irresponsible farang is short order.

Hmmm. Not sure about that. This lady is being carefully staged managed by somebody. She asserts the guilt of people prior to trial on trumped up murder charges that would never be brought in her own country. She then asserts she is in favour of allowing those who were illegally rioting to be allowed amnesty without any trial. Has she reveiwed all the evidence personally or is it a statement based on political bias.

She is either allowing grief to cloud her judgement or very naieve or being heavily influenced and manipulated. Its easy to believe what we want to believe especially if it appears those in authortiy support that belief.

I wonder who is financing this trip for the mother and sisters? Flights, hotels, organizing travel and now press conferences.

This will get much more international coverage because they are Italians rather than Thia. You can imagine the headlines - guilty as charged before any trial even though the court rules it is not possible to identify the killers. All helps in trying to forward the blanket amnesty and whitewash.

Wrong. She is asking MP's not to support Chalerms all embracing amnesty bill. Instead she points out that she wants the people responsible for the illegal killing of her brother to face justice. This brings in the other version of the bill which does give amnesty to the rank and file people (red, yellow & camouflage) who were jailed (or not in the case of the yellow and camouflage groups, no suprise there) for minor offences. Those accused/charged with major offences, Military Leaders, UDD Leaders, PAD Leaders, Former Government Officials (so far including Abhisit and Suthep) will not get Amnesty but will face trials accordingly.

I wont bother to honour your lowlife chinese whispers about the funding and manipulation of the Polenghi Family with the dignity of a reply, it certainly doesn't deserve one - no doubt give it a couple of days on this forum and it will become gospel to certain types of poster.

Edited May 31, 2013 by amore

[Sing_Sling]

As much as I feel sorry for the death of her brother it seems she is getting a lot of media publicity. I guess the other people who lost loved ones just don't rate.

So what if she is receiving a lot of publicity - why would you have a problem with that? I guess had your brother/sister/mother/father been murdered you would simply shrug your shoulders and keep keep stuffing burgers down your throat, preferring to not make a fuss as you wouldn't want to stand out from the crowd of murder victims.

Respect for this woman - she is an example as to how the other victims should be vocal

I would have made sure they got to the truth of it and not simply what the ptp/red shirts/thaksin were pushing for their own benefit. Looks like she is prepared to work with the ones that likely were the cause of the death rather than look for the truth.

She has the truth. What she is saying is do not let the perpetrators get away with it. Seems perfectly reasonable. Her brother was illegally killed by the military as the Courts verdict shows - she is asking the MP's not to pass an amnesty bill that absolves the military (and by extension Abhisit and Suthep as the ones responsible for signing the ROE/s).

Absolutely right . . . but the apologists would seemingly rather deflect any blame from someone they have zero connection to instead of seeing what is right . . . and some would just prefer to shove burgers down their throats while waxing lyrically how the poor locals are so quiet because they apparently don't count r count as less than an Italian

Edited May 31, 2013 by Sing_Sling

[pilot321]

If she's truly wants no amnesty for all, she should be petitioning the party leader in Dubai. He's the one determining which of the amnesty bills is going forward.

If she wants them all to stop, she should make a direct public appeal to him to intervene. He certainly has the power to do so.

[Sing_Sling]

If she's truly wants no amnesty for all, she should be petitioning the party leader in Dubai. He's the one determining which of the amnesty bills is going forward. If she wants them all to stop, she should make a direct public appeal to him to intervene. He certainly has the power to do so.

Easily one of the more ridiculous posts, which is saying something

[thaicbr]

This will not be well received in Dubai.

 

I have a feeling Fabio will go from targeted victim to irresponsible farang is short order.

 

Hmmm. Not sure about that. This lady is being carefully staged managed by somebody. She asserts the guilt of people prior to trial on trumped up murder charges that would never be brought in her own country. She then asserts she is in favour of allowing those who were illegally rioting to be allowed amnesty without any trial. Has she reveiwed all the evidence personally or is it a statement based on political bias.

She is either allowing grief to cloud her judgement or very naieve or being heavily influenced and manipulated. Its easy to believe what we want to believe especially if it appears those in authortiy support that belief.

 

I wonder who is financing this trip for the mother and sisters? Flights, hotels, organizing travel and now press conferences.

 

This will get much more international coverage because they are Italians rather than Thia. You can imagine the headlines -  guilty as charged before any trial even though the court rules it is not possible to identify the killers. All helps in trying to forward the blanket amnesty and whitewash.

 

Wrong. She is asking MP's not to support Chalerms all embracing amnesty bill. Instead she points out that she wants the people responsible for the illegal killing of her brother to face justice. This brings in the other version of the bill which does give amnesty to the rank and file people (red, yellow & camouflage) who were jailed (or not in the case of the yellow and camouflage groups, no suprise there) for minor offences. Those accused/charged with major offences, Military Leaders, UDD Leaders, PAD Leaders, Former Government Officials (so far including Abhisit and Suthep) will not get Amnesty but will face trials accordingly.

 

I wont bother to honour your lowlife chinese whispers about the funding and manipulation of the Polenghi Family with the dignity of a reply, it certainly doesn't deserve one - no doubt give it a couple of days on this forum and it will become gospel to certain types of poster.

So won't bother to talk about the families funding!

Do YOU know for absolute certainty that there travel. Lawyers etc are NOT funded by Thaksin or at the very least the Red shirt movement. I am not saying they are.. but you seem to know.

And if the family REALLY want to find those responsible why are they not denouncing the government for not bringing charges against individual army personnel whether the troops that fired or the officers that allowed it.

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Only one side is frantically pushing for amnesty. Says it all really.

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It seems that many farangs like to poke their noses into thai politics which have nothing to do with them...

strange it seems that why are the western countries still pouring monies and aids into Afghanistan and Iraq and other countries where their news men and aid workers are being killed....