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uptheos Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 . I think that the onfield umpire should be able to refer all decisions if they are not sure. Absolutely Oh dear, I trust Bird, Shephard, Venkat and Dar 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 At the moment the onfield umpires can only decide for themselves to refer to the third umpire if they want to check:- was a catch was clean, i.e. on the full; line decisions; a front foot no ball, stumping, run out; boundary decisions; was it a four or a six, did the fielder cross or touch the boundary while still touching the ball etc. They cannot refer lbws and caught behinds, except to see if the ball was caught on the full, unless asked to do so by one or other of the teams. I think that the onfield umpire should be able to refer all decisions if they are not sure. Yep, I've said it before, take the reviews away from the players. Leave it up to the umpires. BTW, if there were no reviews, Trott would not have been given out. I still think only use it to correct the howlers. The spontainity has gone from the game already. I don't think anyone get's too upset over 50/50 decisions as they even out. So I think just leave it up to the umps, and let the 3rd umpire look at any howlers. Also, I wish we could go back to the days where before a series started, both captains could get together and say they "will accept the players word on catches". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 How about we place a call to ole' Boof and get him to replace the top order with Wills, Bokkie and Davo (Will27, BookMan and David48) ... we couldn't be worse! Bokkie's tall and lean ... make a fine swing bowler for sure ... I'm a solid all rounder (emphasis on the 'solid' bit) ... Wills, you famous for anything? I reckon I could clear cow corner a few times over the rope ... BookMan waiting.jpg Oh ... I managed to do a quick artists impression once of Bokkie, just relaxing before being called to the crease ... . Well Davo I used to be a handy offspin bowler, but the last time I had a bowl it had Tom Yum noodles in it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantSmith Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 If they want someone to occupy the crease they had old man Cowan for that. Rogers hasn't done much better, IMHO. The DRS issue is always a contentious one, but this series has highlighted the umpires lack of confidence in their own decision making - the very reason they're doing what they're employed to do. This checking for 'no balls' is irritating. Its use needs to be tweaked, otherwise we might as well do away with the on field umpire and just utilize technology. I've often found frustration with India's continual objection to the DRS, but after this series, there may well be method to their madness. Steve Smith, he annoys me but always seem to find a way to come good. A quality that I found with Justin Langer in his early years. Is Australia turning into the West Indies of this century? Granted the interest in the game itself is still strong in Australia but we're in a real possibility of having a massive fall from grace. Boof has the <deleted> to take on the primadonnas of the team. He needs some old school back up from the likes of Merv and Booney. AB and Steve Waugh should also heavily weigh in as well. Remind these kids of what that baggy green cap means! It's a frustrating time for Australian cricket, the BCCI and the IPL possibly have a lot to answer for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 If they want someone to occupy the crease they had old man Cowan for that. Rogers hasn't done much better, IMHO. The DRS issue is always a contentious one, but this series has highlighted the umpires lack of confidence in their own decision making - the very reason they're doing what they're employed to do. This checking for 'no balls' is irritating. Its use needs to be tweaked, otherwise we might as well do away with the on field umpire and just utilize technology. I've often found frustration with India's continual objection to the DRS, but after this series, there may well be method to their madness. Steve Smith, he annoys me but always seem to find a way to come good. A quality that I found with Justin Langer in his early years. Is Australia turning into the West Indies of this century? Granted the interest in the game itself is still strong in Australia but we're in a real possibility of having a massive fall from grace. Boof has the <deleted> to take on the primadonnas of the team. He needs some old school back up from the likes of Merv and Booney. AB and Steve Waugh should also heavily weigh in as well. Remind these kids of what that baggy green cap means! It's a frustrating time for Australian cricket, the BCCI and the IPL possibly have a lot to answer for. Cowan, had his go, admittedly at number 3 and failed dismally. Like I said, our opening partnerships have been reasonable, it's just that no one is going on with it. The trouble with DRS, is that the umps are too scared to make a mistake now. I remember when they bought in the camera and used it for run outs and stumpings. Now a player can be out by 2 feet and they call for it. Same as AFL goal umpires. The are asking for reviews for blatant decisions because they don't want a cock up. I think the IPL and twenty/20 has been terrible for test cricket. Too much money and mickey mouse cricket IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 . I think that the onfield umpire should be able to refer all decisions if they are not sure. Absolutely Oh dear, I trust Bird, Shephard, Venkat and Dar 100%. How I wish we had Dicky Bird and Shep out there now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somtampet Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Is this the time that ozzies actualy keep a low profile and stop shouting insults at pomms lol lol.Heaven is a bar that is empty of ozzies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 If they want someone to ... Major Tom ... I forgot about you. You any good at Cricket? Hit the ball over the fence playing in the backyard? We are compiling the alternative Cricket Team. See post So far we have Wills, Bokkie and Davo. If you're in then we'd have a Major Tom (this is Ground Control and all that) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somtampet Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Is this the time that ozzies actualy keep a low profile and stop shouting insults at pomms lol lol.Heaven is a bar that is empty of ozzies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 In the good old days the umpire's word was law, and players from both sides accepted it (most of the time, eh Mr. Gatting?) But TV, especially TV replays on the big screen at grounds, has changed all that. Former players of the likes of Gower, Atherton, Botham Holding, Boycott, Agnew (the commentators on SKY and TMS I hear in the UK) all seem to agree that as the technology is there it should be used. It's not using it properly that is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 . I think that the onfield umpire should be able to refer all decisions if they are not sure. Absolutely Nah, because what will end up happening is they will get pressurised to refer *every* decision. In which case they might as well not be there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantSmith Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 If they want someone to ... Major Tom ... I forgot about you. You any good at Cricket? Hit the ball over the fence playing in the backyard? We are compiling the alternative Cricket Team. See post So far we have Wills, Bokkie and Davo. If you're in then we'd have a Major Tom (this is Ground Control and all that) . Major Tom to Ground Control... I'm was a handy all rounder back in my day... A bit like Clarkey but fully left handed, none of this hybrid nonsense I'll also take 1st slip... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantSmith Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Is this the time that ozzies actualy keep a low profile and stop shouting insults at pomms lol lol.Heaven is a bar that is empty of ozzies No low profile required... We'll still keep up the banter and give as good as we get... Well the most of us will... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Is this the time that ozzies actualy keep a low profile and stop shouting insults at pomms lol lol.Heaven is a bar that is empty of ozziesNo low profile required... We'll still keep up the banter and give as good as we get...Well the most of us will... For myself, I don't frequent the low end bars anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 The only swing I get is when the wind picks up or the caelidh gets a bit raucous. Put me down for half time entertainment with eek and Patsy. ..and maybe SC if he's in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 The only swing I get is when the wind picks up or the caelidh gets a bit raucous. Put me down for half time entertainment with eek and Patsy. ..and maybe SC if he's in town. OH smokie36 ... I thought that you might have captained the opposition. You're a Peitersen fan? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Major Tom ... I forgot about you.You any good at Cricket? Hit the ball over the fence playing in the backyard? We are compiling the alternative Cricket Team. See post So far we have Wills, Bokkie and Davo. If you're in then we'd have a Major Tom (this is Ground Control and all that) Major Tom to Ground Control... I'm was a handy all rounder back in my day... A bit like Clarkey but fully left handed, none of this hybrid nonsense I'll also take 1st slip... Major Tom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 News ... Pattinson ruled out of Ashes series ... Australia's beleaguered Ashes campaign has suffered another crushing blow, with young spearhead James Pattinson ruled out of the series with a serious back injury. Pattinson was diagnosed with a stress fracture in his lower back in the aftermath of Australia's 347-run defeat at Lord's, and faces several months on the sidelines. The 23-year-old was well below his best in the second Test, taking 2-137 for the match, and complained of soreness in his hip and back on the final day of the match. SMH . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 News ... Pattinson ruled out of Ashes series ... Australia's beleaguered Ashes campaign has suffered another crushing blow, with young spearhead James Pattinson ruled out of the series with a serious back injury. Pattinson was diagnosed with a stress fracture in his lower back in the aftermath of Australia's 347-run defeat at Lord's, and faces several months on the sidelines. The 23-year-old was well below his best in the second Test, taking 2-137 for the match, and complained of soreness in his hip and back on the final day of the match. SMH . Bad news for him and AUstralia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 DRS is supposed to correct howlers by the onfield umpire; who only sees it once in real time. Unfortunately in this series so far the third umpire has sometimes got it wrong as well. Agar in the second innings as an example. What was that all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 The umpire heard a snick and you only have to look at Agar's reaction to tell you he knew he'd hit it. The rest is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 The umpire heard a snick and you only have to look at Agar's reaction to tell you he knew he'd hit it. The rest is irrelevant. Eh? His reaction indicated he didn't hit it. No hotspot on the bat either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) The umpire heard a snick and you only have to look at Agar's reaction to tell you he knew he'd hit it. The rest is irrelevant. You must've been watching a different game to me then. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpLcWs1UzVY Edited July 23, 2013 by Will27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Indeed, he followed the ball and when he saw it had been caught his head went back in despair. The reaction of a man who knew he had hit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 The umpire heard a snick and you only have to look at Agar's reaction to tell you he knew he'd hit it. The rest is irrelevant. Eh? His reaction indicated he didn't hit it. No hotspot on the bat either If the Umpire's word was good enough for the TMO, then it's good enough for me, and the scorerers. Who's going to be the man behind the screen for the next test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) Indeed, he followed the ball and when he saw it had been caught his head went back in despair. The reaction of a man who knew he had hit it. Have you ACTUALLY watched the clip and listened to the commontators? Edited July 23, 2013 by Will27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 The umpire heard a snick and you only have to look at Agar's reaction to tell you he knew he'd hit it. The rest is irrelevant. Eh? His reaction indicated he didn't hit it. No hotspot on the bat either If the Umpire's word was good enough for the TMO, then it's good enough for me, and the scorerers. Who's going to be the man behind the screen for the next test? Which umpires word are you talking about? The one who gave him not out or the one who gave him out? Oh yes, the 3rd umpire. The one who gave Bell not out as well. I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad mary Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) The umpire heard a snick and you only have to look at Agar's reaction to tell you he knew he'd hit it. The rest is irrelevant. Eh? His reaction indicated he didn't hit it. No hotspot on the bat either If the Umpire's word was good enough for the TMO, then it's good enough for me, and the scorerers. Who's going to be the man behind the screen for the next test? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10189514/Ashes-2013-ICC-trial-new-independent-Hawkeye-and-Hotspot-to-end-reliance-on-Sky-replays.html Ashes 2013: ICC trial new independent Hawkeye and Hotspot to end reliance on Sky replays The ICC will trial an independent supply of Hotspot and Hawkeye for the third Test at Old Trafford in a move which could end with officials no longer relying on broadcasters for information. Edited July 23, 2013 by mad mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 14 seconds into this clip. That is a man who knows he hit it. Then suddenly remember he's not supposed to walk. Stop with the sour grapes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cTuFRhlu6A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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