Wagyu cattle

[Orothinius]

Hello,

Im wondering if anybody knows if there are wagyu farms in Thailand, and if not if its possible to import them, ive been looking around the interweb found out that America, Australia, Belgium, Netherlands all have wagyu farms but could not find a Thai one.

Thanks in advance!

[Billmont]

I am fairly sure that there are no Wagyu cattle farms in Thailand and the only way to obtain this beef here in Thailand is imported from Australia. I bought a whole fillet from Villa Market on my last visit to Pattaya, the price is over THB 5,000 per kilo. Wagyu cattle is a very specalised market and it is very difficult or near impossible to import/export live cattle as the farms that have these cattle are very protective for obvious reasons. Japan has banned such exports. Bruno's Restaurant in Pattaya has it on the menu and a standard size fillet is THB 2,500 but really beautiful.

[David48]

Do be careful what is defined as 'Wagyu cattle'

In Australia, a half cross is considered as classed at Wagyu cattle ... where's in Japan ... it is not.

The secret and the money is in the marbling ...

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[itchybum]

Thai massage could do wonders for em.

[kickstart]

Try Thai farming mags, most wagyu cattle over here are cross breeds.Brahman, or dairy black and white's.

Heat ,por feed , and I would think ticks would be a problem, I did meet a guy who was cross breeding them ,it was early days,said he was doing OK ?that was a a few years ago.

Semen has been imported, again farming mags.

As a long shot try Yenwar in Bkk they have a web page, they might be able to help you,semen,maybe cattle.

Yours Regs

KS

[Packdee]

There is one company in Surin.
http://www.surinwagyu.com/th/main/index.php

One Co-op in Korat.

สหกรณ์ผู้เลี้ยงโคเนื้อโคราชวากิว สุรนารี จำกัด.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/สหกรณ์ผู้เลี้ยงโคเนื้อโคราชวากิว-สุรนารี-จำกัด/432725100123510?ref=stream

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Reasons to cross with Wagyu.

http://www.thaicattle.net/webboard/index.php?topic=5601.90

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[Orothinius]

Thanks so much for all the responds, its all realy helpfull, gonna get some1 to translate those Thai pages for me Packdee, but great to see there is alrdy a herd of them close to where i live!

Means i dont need to worry about import laws etc

[zeichen]

I wonder if you could easily import the sperm though and impregnate female Thai species, and do this to the offspring also and then you could get closer to a 75% offspring. won't be pure but a lot cheaper than trying to go throug the channels and import live cattle.

[Orothinius]

I think thats the only other option, and i believe u should always mix with a native specie for antibodies etc.

But if i could buy from an alrdy excisting stock it would be easier i think

[zeichen]

I would almost guarantee that they wouldn't sell you females. I could be wrong but when I was looking for Holsteins, it was like bashing my head against the wall to convince farmers to part. They don't want competition.

[Orothinius]

yeah thats gonna be a problem, but since its Thailand im sure something can be done

Would rly be awsome if i could breed some prime beef in my area

[kickstart]

So the co-op in Korat is still going, I read about them some years ago in a Thai farming mag, or TW did,thay seemed very fussy,and they used Charolais,to cross, not any Charolais,Kampangpet or Tark being about 75% Charolais above this they get heat stress, and they had to be registered.and I think they provide Wagyu semen.

Give's you some idea.

Yours

KS

[Orothinius]

Thanks for that info, i got another quick question, does any1 know if the Belgium ""fat ass"" cows aka Belgium blue's are in Thailand?

Thanks in advance

[Packdee]

Thanks for that info, i got another quick question, does any1 know if the Belgium ""fat ass"" cows aka Belgium blue's are in Thailand?

Thanks in advance

Pornchai Intertrade Limited Partnership

1/17 Moo 6 Bansing Potharam Ratchaburi 70120 Thailand

Mobile : (66) - 81 - 8578644

Fax : (66) - 32 - 357185

Sperm : 400 Baths/tube (Run out)

http://www.pornchaiinter.com/Cattle_Jackson.html

Edited June 16, 2013 by Packdee

[Orothinius]

Thank u so much

[RedBullHorn]

There is one company in Surin.

http://www.surinwagyu.com/th/main/index.php

One Co-op in Korat.

สหกรณ์ผู้เลี้ยงโคเนื้อโคราชวากิว สุรนารี จำกัด.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/สหกรณ์ผู้เลี้ยงโคเนื้อโคราชวากิว-สุรนารี-จำกัด/432725100123510?ref=stream

‎

Reasons to cross with Wagyu.

http://www.thaicattle.net/webboard/index.php?topic=5601.90

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Thanks for that info, i got another quick question, does any1 know if the Belgium ""fat ass"" cows aka Belgium blue's are in Thailand?

Thanks in advance

Pornchai Intertrade Limited Partnership

1/17 Moo 6 Bansing Potharam Ratchaburi 70120 Thailand

Mobile : (66) - 81 - 8578644

Fax : (66) - 32 - 357185

Sperm : 400 Baths/tube (Run out)

http://www.pornchaiinter.com/Cattle_Jackson.html

You're a STAR, a Valuable member to this farming forum Packdee.

Now we know who to ask if we need some Thai website information.

And thank you for your input.

[Orothinius]

There is one company in Surin.

http://www.surinwagyu.com/th/main/index.php

One Co-op in Korat.

สหกรณ์ผู้เลี้ยงโคเนื้อโคราชวากิว สุรนารี จำกัด.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/สหกรณ์ผู้เลี้ยงโคเนื้อโคราชวากิว-สุรนารี-จำกัด/432725100123510?ref=stream

‎

Reasons to cross with Wagyu.

http://www.thaicattle.net/webboard/index.php?topic=5601.90

• ดูโพสต์ที่แบ่งปัน

Thanks for that info, i got another quick question, does any1 know if the Belgium ""fat ass"" cows aka Belgium blue's are in Thailand?

Thanks in advance

Pornchai Intertrade Limited Partnership

1/17 Moo 6 Bansing Potharam Ratchaburi 70120 Thailand

Mobile : (66) - 81 - 8578644

Fax : (66) - 32 - 357185

Sperm : 400 Baths/tube (Run out)

http://www.pornchaiinter.com/Cattle_Jackson.html

You're a STAR, a Valuable member to this farming forum Packdee.

Now we know who to ask if we need some Thai website information.

And thank you for your input.

So true, Thanks again!

[kickstart]

Re Belgume blue semen has been used ,I have seen photo's in Thai mags BUT I would not use a "Blue" in Thailand the cattle are to small, esp the dairy breeds ,the pure breed Blue's can only be calved by c- section, use to say, you could tell how many calves a blue cow has had by the scar's on her left side.

Jeresy cows can calve a blue calfs,they seem to have a deep uterus . the photo I looked at was a Brahman cross B.blue how many calves the cow has had already I could not tell, a heifer could not calve a Blue. Rememer if you have a diffulcult calving at 2 in the morning do not think you can jump one a phone to call a vet out like in uk/usa, you will be out of luck ,sort it out your self ,Thai way 6 people on some ropes pulling, failing that a pick -up all =s dead calf and probley a cow fit only for "look chin",meat balls I am not talking BS I have seen it.

If you whant to go for beef ,go for brahman cross Charolai,Charolai semen, is readdliy availiable , your local provincial DLD center should have some, find some Brahman cows feed them up put down some good quality grass, see posts on grass seeds, esp Ubon Forage,the offspring at 18 months should be well grown,should get a good price, keep the job simple, your should do OK. remember cattle are not a get rich quick enterprice .

Yours

KS

[Orothinius]

Thanks for that, the question about the Blue's wasnt for myself, my brother works for Delaval in Belgium and asked me if there where any Blue's there, i agree 100% with wat u said.

My main interest is for the Black Wagyu cows, just seems like a fun project and if all goes wrong, id have alot of prime beef for myself haha.

Im not planning on getting rich in Thailand, dont think its possible for a farang in Isaan, but enough to pay the bills and a few beers should keep me happy, thanks for your imput.

[David48]

To the OP ... where / who have you identified as your market for the sale of the end product?

... apart from a few choice cut for yourself ...

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[Orothinius]

That will be dependent on the quality I can produce i think David,

[itchybum]

and the price, don't forget the price.

[itchybum]

Wonder if you can make Wagyu duck.

I'd like to massage some ducks really hard.

[Orothinius]

Well i believe if u can produce a truely premium product u can sell it for a high price, same as the original wagyu beef, but i expect the first years to be more of a learning curve and making a decent herd.

Wagyu massaged ducks.. who knows must be some chef somewhere willing to pay a premium

[itchybum]

yeah, I'd get a quack out of it.

[David48]

That will be dependent on the quality I can produce i think David,

If I could offer a suggestion.

Farming on any scale other then eating what you grow or sharing with the neighbours etc is a business.

In a Business Model, you would look the selling market as a fundamental element of any plan.

So I would be looking at the different prices available for the different quality that you might be able to produce.

This Forum is lettered with men who have planted this or that ... often at the whim of their partner, only to rip it out 3 or 4 years later because that field of gold turned out to be a black hole.

You would be amazed the number of Thais who, when they have sold their produce after a years hard labour and are holding 150,000 Baht held high, feeling triumphant that they have made 150,000 profit, while the Farang partner is sitting back quietly think 'yeh ... but it cost 200,000 Baht to make that 150,000. Oh well ... next year will be different'.

I don't Farm in Thailand ... my gf's Parents do, my job for many years was giving advice to small business on how to survive.

Don't think I'm a nay sayer, exactly the opposite ... so I'll conclude by saying the #1 point to success is to have a Business Plan.

Good Luck

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[itchybum]

That will be dependent on the quality I can produce i think David,

If I could offer a suggestion.

Farming on any scale other then eating what you grow or sharing with the neighbours etc is a business.

In a Business Model, you would look the selling market as a fundamental element of any plan.

So I would be looking at the different prices available for the different quality that you might be able to produce.

This Forum is lettered with men who have planted this or that ... often at the whim of their partner, only to rip it out 3 or 4 years later because that field of gold turned out to be a black hole.

You would be amazed the number of Thais who, when they have sold their produce after a years hard labour and are holding 150,000 Baht held high, feeling triumphant that they have made 150,000 profit, while the Farang partner is sitting back quietly think 'yeh ... but it cost 200,000 Baht to make that 150,000. Oh well ... next year will be different'.

I don't Farm in Thailand ... my gf's Parents do, my job for many years was giving advice to small business on how to survive.

Don't think I'm a nay sayer, exactly the opposite ... so I'll conclude by saying the #1 point to success is to have a Business Plan.

Good Luck

.

Not in every case

[David48]

That will be dependent on the quality I can produce i think David,

Don't think I'm a nay sayer, exactly the opposite ... so I'll conclude by saying the #1 point to success is to have a Business Plan.

Good Luck.

Not in every case

Nothing is Universal.

BTW what do you think itchybum is the key to successful farming ... particularly in a market where is little existing expertise?

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[itchybum]

That will be dependent on the quality I can produce i think David,

Don't think I'm a nay sayer, exactly the opposite ... so I'll conclude by saying the #1 point to success is to have a Business Plan.

Good Luck.

Not in every case

Nothing is Universal.

BTW what do you think itchybum is the key to successful farming ... particularly in a market where is little existing expertise?

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Why highlight my name ?

Wagyu is one of the ideas I had a long time ago when I was considering working.

I wrote it down in the 'good ideas' folder.

My 'fcuked ideas' folder is bigger though.

Anyway, someone developing it here could do very well. Keep costs down, develop it slowly and with quality rather than quickly with less. There are already markets here for it, a lot, so you could slowly and quite easily develop personal inroads into those as you grow.

Problem is the land size needed for cattle, good pastures, good rainfall, good management. It would cost a lot to setup to a stage where you could turnoff xx beasts per month.

[slapout]

Well OP your last post above *29 sums up the plight of ranchers (many cattlemen detest the term farmer), the funds required to set up a profitable working beef operation or a large farming operation, it may seem pointless to not just relax and live off of your earnings, from your wealth vs squandering it on property, improvements, livestock, etc, you could lose overnight.