Bumbling inefficient Police and Army

[oldsailor35]

Just read this in Bangkok Post.

After a tip off Police special units along with Army and volunteers surrounded a house in the south containing 4 to 5 militants (terrorists) blocking off all escape routes.

After a gun battle one militant ( terrorist) was found dead, but the rest escaped ?

How in the hell will they ever stop this terrorism in the southern border area with this kind of military efficiency.

[MissFarmGirl]

I think when peace go there, to the south Thailand

peace will not come from a gun or bomb

this is the smart way to peace for all Thai

but when, I not know

[boosta]

You really think you read an accurate and thorough account of what actually happened? I've got a bridge to sell you.

The "terrorists" may well never be seen again by anyone they know they "escaped" so completely.

[Berkshire]

You really think you read an accurate and thorough account of what actually happened? I've got a bridge to sell you.

The "terrorists" may well never be seen again by anyone they know they "escaped" so completely.

Of course Oldsailor has no idea what he's talking about. But it's so easy to criticize from the comfy of his keyboard. I'll bet he claims to be former special forces, but has never fired a pistol outside of the shooting range.

[oldsailor35]

You really think you read an accurate and thorough account of what actually happened? I've got a bridge to sell you.

The "terrorists" may well never be seen again by anyone they know they "escaped" so completely.

Of course Oldsailor has no idea what he's talking about. But it's so easy to criticize from the comfy of his keyboard. I'll bet he claims to be former special forces, but has never fired a pistol outside of the shooting range.

I was never part of special forces, but saw last 6 months of Korean war in front line . Then another spell with British armed forces 15th/19th Hussars in Perak central Malaya during the emergency operating in jungle areas around the Sungie Siput area.................so there ya go son! We had the CT's buttoned up so tightly that in the end they could only operate deep in the jungle. As for 'racking' up on motor cycles and pick up trucks, they would'nt have got a thousand yards. If the Thais operated like we did it would be all over 'red rover' in no time........... ok sonny !

Incidentially, i was a young forward observation radio operator in Korea in the Sami Chon valley area ( The Hook)

Edited June 22, 2013 by oldsailor35

[boosta]

Wow, never heard anything about that conflict, but since it's not Thai-related guess we better keep quiet, I'll do some googling.

Edit - couldn't find a likely candidate for "CT"?

Edited June 22, 2013 by boosta

[Salapoo]

Why would Thais in the police and army be any different to the rest of the country?

[apetley]

Wow, never heard anything about that conflict, but since it's not Thai-related guess we better keep quiet, I'll do some googling.

Edit - couldn't find a likely candidate for "CT"?

Communist terrorists

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[boosta]

ooh they sound bad

[simple1]

Wow, never heard anything about that conflict, but since it's not Thai-related guess we better keep quiet, I'll do some googling.

Edit - couldn't find a likely candidate for "CT"?

In the second communist rebellion which eventually collapsed due to disputes between the various groups, no western forces involved, many of the Malay communists actutally crossed over to Thai territory for sanctuary

[krisb]

Assuming the Police and Army were on the scene very quickly and at the same time closed off any escape path. Assuming the time of day was daytime and not night time, no heavy rain etc, Assuming there was more than 1 BIB and more than 1 Army soldier. Assuming there was more than 1 "terrorist". Assuming the house didnt back onto a river or scrubland/jungle. Then yes, sounds like they stuffed up what shouldnt have been stuffed up.

[krisb]

Wow, never heard anything about that conflict, but since it's not Thai-related guess we better keep quiet, I'll do some googling.

Edit - couldn't find a likely candidate for "CT"?

What do you mean not Thai related? Its a story from the Bangkok newspaper, about Thai soldiers and Thai police. which took place on Thai soil. Thats Thai related.

[boosta]

That conflict =

Then another spell with British armed forces 15th/19th Hussars in Perak central Malaya during the emergency operating in jungle areas around the Sungie Siput area.

Since the "Remnants of War" thread got closed down for too much discussion of non-Thai historical stuff, didn't want to sidetrack from the (supposedly) bumbling Thais.

[Berkshire]

You really think you read an accurate and thorough account of what actually happened? I've got a bridge to sell you.

The "terrorists" may well never be seen again by anyone they know they "escaped" so completely.

Of course Oldsailor has no idea what he's talking about. But it's so easy to criticize from the comfy of his keyboard. I'll bet he claims to be former special forces, but has never fired a pistol outside of the shooting range.

I was never part of special forces, but saw last 6 months of Korean war in front line . Then another spell with British armed forces 15th/19th Hussars in Perak central Malaya during the emergency operating in jungle areas around the Sungie Siput area.................so there ya go son! We had the CT's buttoned up so tightly that in the end they could only operate deep in the jungle. As for 'racking' up on motor cycles and pick up trucks, they would'nt have got a thousand yards. If the Thais operated like we did it would be all over 'red rover' in no time........... ok sonny !

Incidentially, i was a young forward observation radio operator in Korea in the Sami Chon valley area ( The Hook)

Interesting. So how would you feel if say, an American was to criticize you and your country on the competence of your military? Rhetorical question, of course, as we already know the answer. Heck, Mitt Romney had some mild criticism of how the UK handled security for the Olympics and he was skewered. Point is, you have no idea what you're talking about because you weren't even there.

[maxme]

You really think you read an accurate and thorough account of what actually happened? I've got a bridge to sell you.

The "terrorists" may well never be seen again by anyone they know they "escaped" so completely.

Of course Oldsailor has no idea what he's talking about. But it's so easy to criticize from the comfy of his keyboard. I'll bet he claims to be former special forces, but has never fired a pistol outside of the shooting range.

I was never part of special forces, but saw last 6 months of Korean war in front line . Then another spell with British armed forces 15th/19th Hussars in Perak central Malaya during the emergency operating in jungle areas around the Sungie Siput area.................so there ya go son! We had the CT's buttoned up so tightly that in the end they could only operate deep in the jungle. As for 'racking' up on motor cycles and pick up trucks, they would'nt have got a thousand yards. If the Thais operated like we did it would be all over 'red rover' in no time........... ok sonny !

Incidentially, i was a young forward observation radio operator in Korea in the Sami Chon valley area ( The Hook)

Interesting. So how would you feel if say, an American was to criticize you and your country on the competence of your military? Rhetorical question, of course, as we already know the answer. Heck, Mitt Romney had some mild criticism of how the UK handled security for the Olympics and he was skewered. Point is, you have no idea what you're talking about because you weren't even there.

So just for the record... are you saying that the Thai police and military are efficient?

[oldsailor35]

Wow, never heard anything about that conflict, but since it's not Thai-related guess we better keep quiet, I'll do some googling.

Edit - couldn't find a likely candidate for "CT"?

Sorry about that.........CT, was our term for Communists Terrorists .....google Malayan Emergency during 1950's. When persued the terrorists would flee over the northern border into Thailand to rest up, we could not follow them, and the Thais did not care, even though they were armed ( second thoughts, that probably why the RTA left them alone).

[oldsailor35]

Regarding the London olympics, you are dead right! i was not there, however i was at the 1956 Melbourne olympics.

p.s. General McArthur (Supreme allied commander in Korea) said on being questioned about his strategic position said........."I sleep well at night, on my left i have the ocean and on my right i have the British Commonwealth Brigade, and i know that when i wake up in the morning, they will both still be there"

[oldsailor35]

Bye the way Berkshire.........In case you don't know, Mitt Romney is just another not so bright politician what would he know about security in any form......really!

NO! Maxme, i am not saying that the RTA and police are efficient, i am saying the complete opposite!

Edited June 23, 2013 by oldsailor35

[rene123]

Be careful for what you wish for. The nanny state of Canada is not perfect.

[cpofc]

You really think you read an accurate and thorough account of what actually happened? I've got a bridge to sell you.

The "terrorists" may well never be seen again by anyone they know they "escaped" so completely.

Of course Oldsailor has no idea what he's talking about. But it's so easy to criticize from the comfy of his keyboard. I'll bet he claims to be former special forces, but has never fired a pistol outside of the shooting range.

I was never part of special forces, but saw last 6 months of Korean war in front line . Then another spell with British armed forces 15th/19th Hussars in Perak central Malaya during the emergency operating in jungle areas around the Sungie Siput area.................so there ya go son! We had the CT's buttoned up so tightly that in the end they could only operate deep in the jungle. As for 'racking' up on motor cycles and pick up trucks, they would'nt have got a thousand yards. If the Thais operated like we did it would be all over 'red rover' in no time........... ok sonny !

Incidentially, i was a young forward observation radio operator in Korea in the Sami Chon valley area ( The Hook)

Quite true and my hat's off to you. The Malayan 'Emergency' (it really was a War, and a dirty one at that). The only successful outcome in the history of 'modern' counter insurgency warfare. I will stand corrected if anyone can tell me of another.

The Americans, sort of tried it, with their 'Strategic Hamlet' Campaign and Phoenix program in Vietnam, and we all know how that turned out.

[chrisinth]

Assuming the Police and Army were on the scene very quickly and at the same time closed off any escape path. Assuming the time of day was daytime and not night time, no heavy rain etc, Assuming there was more than 1 BIB and more than 1 Army soldier. Assuming there was more than 1 "terrorist". Assuming the house didnt back onto a river or scrubland/jungle. Then yes, sounds like they stuffed up what shouldnt have been stuffed up.

Yep, well put! People basing the actions of the police & army actions on a newspaper article................

If you don't have all the facts but have reached the end of the story, and believe what you read, then that is assumption..................

[chrisinth]

You really think you read an accurate and thorough account of what actually happened? I've got a bridge to sell you.

The "terrorists" may well never be seen again by anyone they know they "escaped" so completely.

Of course Oldsailor has no idea what he's talking about. But it's so easy to criticize from the comfy of his keyboard. I'll bet he claims to be former special forces, but has never fired a pistol outside of the shooting range.

I was never part of special forces, but saw last 6 months of Korean war in front line . Then another spell with British armed forces 15th/19th Hussars in Perak central Malaya during the emergency operating in jungle areas around the Sungie Siput area.................so there ya go son! We had the CT's buttoned up so tightly that in the end they could only operate deep in the jungle. As for 'racking' up on motor cycles and pick up trucks, they would'nt have got a thousand yards. If the Thais operated like we did it would be all over 'red rover' in no time........... ok sonny !

Incidentially, i was a young forward observation radio operator in Korea in the Sami Chon valley area ( The Hook)

Quite true and my hat's off to you. The Malayan 'Emergency' (it really was a War, and a dirty one at that). The only successful outcome in the history of 'modern' counter insurgency warfare. I will stand corrected if anyone can tell me of another.

The Americans, sort of tried it, with their 'Strategic Hamlet' Campaign and Phoenix program in Vietnam, and we all know how that turned out.

To continue slightly off-track, a lot of people don't know that the Malaya Emergency was responsible for the rebirth of the British SAS, who formed The Malayan Scouts. This is where the 'Hearts and Minds' philosophy originated.

It was also an extremely dirty campaign where terror was used against terror by the Scouts against the CT's, something that worked but would be frowned upon by today's standards................ .

Right, back to topic

Edited June 23, 2013 by chrisinth

[oldsailor35]

To overcome the CT's it took a lot of time and patience, this is something that the Americans lacked in Viet Nam. All people had to live in secure Kampongs which were locked at night with a curfew. As the workers came out in the morning they had to pass through a search pattern. Food taken out was strictly rationed so that they could not feed the CT's if they were sympathetic. I will always remember one guy making the mistake of carrying a small jar of rice which i saw and deemed to be over the ration. Making him take some of it out i saw something concealed within the rice, it was a grenade and this guy was a CT . This just a small example of our efficiency. Had i accepted his explanation that he was a school teacher and taking rice for the class meal, he might have done damage.

[oldsailor35]

What the Scouts did, the normal ground soldier would have had no idea. As i have already said to one "smart ass" in here , i was not in special forces, just a run of the mill grunt although my time with forward observation in Korea was a specialised job. In Malaya which was a police emergency, we were strictly controlled by the Malayan Police who had mainly senior British officers. All patrols had attached a Malayan police officer who generally had the last say. It worked well for all of us avoiding the atrocity situations which occurred in Viet Nam with some poorly trained and over zealous troops. I will always remember our platoon Police man, a very quiet Chinese sergeant, in fact i fully believed that he could not speak English at all, until early one morning after our patrol had completed a successful ambush, he turned to me and said in impeccable English " you handled the Bren gun very well last night David" and just walked away. I was stunned. I am 78 now and have a birthday coming up in august, but i still have my memories. I do not get angry with some of the stupid youngsters who come in here and say stupid things , mainly through their own ignorance, people like Berkshire !

but i do feel sorry for them.

[oldsailor35]

You really think you read an accurate and thorough account of what actually happened? I've got a bridge to sell you.

The "terrorists" may well never be seen again by anyone they know they "escaped" so completely.

Of course Oldsailor has no idea what he's talking about. But it's so easy to criticize from the comfy of his keyboard. I'll bet he claims to be former special forces, but has never fired a pistol outside of the shooting range.

Yes mate, you'd probably be right regarding the pistol, it just was'nt my weapon, but mention 303 rifle short and long, SLR, sten gun, lanchester, bren gun, gimpie gun, 3" mortar and later 81mm mortar, Carl Gustav rocket launcher, i have had training with all those.

[Berkshire]

So just for the record... are you saying that the Thai police and military are efficient?

I'm a realist in that regard. Do you know what the US military budget is? I do. If the US military was operating with the Thai military budget, the US would be equally efficient. The answer is they're doing the best they can with the resources available.

[Berkshire]

You really think you read an accurate and thorough account of what actually happened? I've got a bridge to sell you.

The "terrorists" may well never be seen again by anyone they know they "escaped" so completely.

Of course Oldsailor has no idea what he's talking about. But it's so easy to criticize from the comfy of his keyboard. I'll bet he claims to be former special forces, but has never fired a pistol outside of the shooting range.

Yes mate, you'd probably be right regarding the pistol, it just was'nt my weapon, but mention 303 rifle short and long, SLR, sten gun, lanchester, bren gun, gimpie gun, 3" mortar and later 81mm mortar, Carl Gustav rocket launcher, i have had training with all those.

It's certainly ok to boast about your career achievements without putting other folks down. I commend your service to your country. But when you feel the need to criticize and look down on others, you're not making yourself out to be any more heroic.

[maxme]

So just for the record... are you saying that the Thai police and military are efficient?

I'm a realist in that regard. Do you know what the US military budget is? I do. If the US military was operating with the Thai military budget, the US would be equally efficient. The answer is they're doing the best they can with the resources available.

Are they now? I still think they can trim the fat a bit. With the amount of generals they have, they could equip their soldiers a lot better among other things. Yet I wonder, besides dealing with the South, is it really necessary to have such a large army?

[oldsailor35]

So just for the record... are you saying that the Thai police and military are efficient?

I'm a realist in that regard. Do you know what the US military budget is? I do. If the US military was operating with the Thai military budget, the US would be equally efficient. The answer is they're doing the best they can with the resources available.

Yeh ! like riding around in pick up trucks and motorcycles and leaving the APC's up north where they cannot get dirty but used for crowd control.

Only last week an army Major was killed when his "Pick up truck" was blown up and not so long ago a couple of soldiers were shot and injured escorting some school teachers to work........on a bloody motorbike ! "Realist" my a***

[oldsailor35]

You really think you read an accurate and thorough account of what actually happened? I've got a bridge to sell you.

The "terrorists" may well never be seen again by anyone they know they "escaped" so completely.

Of course Oldsailor has no idea what he's talking about. But it's so easy to criticize from the comfy of his keyboard. I'll bet he claims to be former special forces, but has never fired a pistol outside of the shooting range.

Yes mate, you'd probably be right regarding the pistol, it just was'nt my weapon, but mention 303 rifle short and long, SLR, sten gun, lanchester, bren gun, gimpie gun, 3" mortar and later 81mm mortar, Carl Gustav rocket launcher, i have had training with all those.

It's certainly ok to boast about your career achievements without putting other folks down. I commend your service to your country. But when you feel the need to criticize and look down on others, you're not making yourself out to be any more heroic.

Just stating facts to help you understand and not be so quick to put people down,is not boasting, thats the last thing i need to do. I do not look down on others, what is the use of living like that, it was you that first opened up with this attitude of "smart ass" belittling. Think about what you said.

Anyhow , i hate cheeky kids (tongue in cheek of course)

Edited June 24, 2013 by oldsailor35