webfact Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 List of monk's assets mountsPiyanuch ThumnukasetchaiThe NationBANGKOK: -- More illegal luxury assets allegedly belonging to jet-setting monk Luang Pu Nenkham have been unearthed in a joint investigation led by the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) and the Office of National Buddhism (ONB).The assets comprise several luxury cars, including a Rolls Royce and a Ferrari - and a large amount of cash stashed in 41 separate bank accounts.ONB director Noppharat Benjawatthananant warned that Luang Pu Nenkham would be considered guilty, if he failed to return to Thailand by the end of the month.Despite taking a vow of celibacy, Luang Pu Nenkham is also alleged to have had as many as seven lovers and to have fathered a number of children with them.In addition, news reports have alleged that up to Bt200 million in donations has been uncovered in bank accounts belonging to his charity.Luang Pu Nenkham, whose real name is Weeraphol Sukphol, was scheduled to return to Thailand on June 20, after the ONB approved his request to go on a month-long trip overseas.Noppharat reiterated that under ONB regulations, any money donated to monks who have already been ordained must be spent on policies declared to the general public. He added that it was forbidden for monks to own any property other than what they had before being ordained.DSI Pol Lt-Colonel Phongin Intharakhao said a woman had also made rape allegations against the monk in December 2010.As per the DSI list, the monk's alleged assets include two luxury homes - one in Ubon Ratchathani and the other in Si Sa Ket; 13 vehicles, including a Rolls Royce, Chevrolet, Ferrari, Hummer, Toyota Camry, four pick-up trucks and four motorcycles.-- The Nation 2013-07-06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Somtamnication Posted July 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2013 A conversation between a Thai father and son: Son: daddy, daddy. When I grow up I want to be a lawyer! Dad: Hell no!! The're no good. Son: Ok, daddy. I want to be a doctor so I can help people who are sick, I love to heal people. Look, I just healed the dog from tick problem. Dad: Are you freegin' crazy? You been talking to K. Mae again? Son: Ok, daddy. I want to be a scientist. I want to discover how to cure cancer, tb, and kill all the bad dengue mosquitoes. They are maidee mak mak! Dad: Shut T F up!!!! You will be a monk!! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post arthurboy Posted July 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2013 What the article fails to mention is the number of photographs being aired on various cable TV new programmes of the pious Luang Pu Nenkham being feted and kowtowed to by quite a number of senior police and military types. I wonder why, and I wonder why the said senior police and military types were paying him this interestingly sycophantic degree of respect in the first place? 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NongKhaiKid Posted July 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2013 What the article fails to mention is the number of photographs being aired on various cable TV new programmes of the pious Luang Pu Nenkham being feted and kowtowed to by quite a number of senior police and military types. I wonder why, and I wonder why the said senior police and military types were paying him this interestingly sycophantic degree of respect in the first place? He's been " looking after ' money for them perhaps ? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LuckyLew Posted July 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2013 Corruption ... deceipt ... illegal payments ... Thailand at its finest Just par for the course 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Corruption ... deceipt ... illegal payments ... Thailand at its finest Just par for the course Nothing more to say on the Thai state of mind after this article. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 What the article fails to mention is the number of photographs being aired on various cable TV new programmes of the pious Luang Pu Nenkham being feted and kowtowed to by quite a number of senior police and military types. I wonder why, and I wonder why the said senior police and military types were paying him this interestingly sycophantic degree of respect in the first place? Duh... that because he hold their money,,, so they better be nice to him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 There is a charities law, there are deductions for tax. Where are the books for this place? Nowhere. It is just a huge money washing scam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunisalom Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Late Headline: Thaksin Shinawatra has a long missing son, meets him in France. Sunisa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culicine Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 So the rape allegation came to nothing? Yet the guy is in the fire for having too much wealth? There's Thailand's morality in a nutshell... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Think I am in the wrong game!, much better having stupid people handing money to you. regards Worgeordie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETatBKK Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 a Rolls Royce and a Ferrari - and a large amount of cash stashed in 41 separate bank accounts; as many as seven lovers and to have fathered a number of children with them. the monk's alleged assets include two luxury homes - one in Ubon Ratchathani and the other in Si Sa Ket; 13 vehicles, including a Rolls Royce, Chevrolet, Ferrari, Hummer, Toyota Camry, four pick-up trucks and four motorcycles. that is a wonder life of anyone, but monk ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confuscious Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 a Rolls Royce and a Ferrari - and a large amount of cash stashed in 41 separate bank accounts; as many as seven lovers and to have fathered a number of children with them. the monk's alleged assets include two luxury homes - one in Ubon Ratchathani and the other in Si Sa Ket; 13 vehicles, including a Rolls Royce, Chevrolet, Ferrari, Hummer, Toyota Camry, four pick-up trucks and four motorcycles. that is a wonder life of anyone, but monk ? If any independent person(s) would investigate the life of the monks in Thailand, he would make more incredible findings ... You can read and see pictures almost every week about monks who are caught having sex with a woman or with a child. And this is only the top of the iceberg. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Suradit69 Posted July 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) Nothing more to say on the Thai state of mind after this article. Yes morally corrupt religious and get-rich-quick evangelists are only found in Thailand. Do some of you live in a cocoon? Former Leader of Praise The Lord Ministry Is Found Liable for $130 MillionAP The civil suit, which had sought $757 million when it was filed in 1987, charged that Mr. Bakker conspired with other PTL officials and accountants to set up secret bank accounts to give Mr. Bakker, his wife, Tammy, and other PTL leaders huge bonuses. Mr. Bakker, who did not appear at the civil trial, was convicted of fraud in connection with the bankrupt PTL organization and is serving a 45-year prison sentence. Benny Hinn Net Worth Israeli televangelist,Toufik Benedictus “Benny” Hinn has an estimated net worth of $42 million.He is best known for his regular “Miracle Crusades” – revival meeting/faith healing summits that are usually held in large stadiums in major cities, which are later broadcast Billy Graham Net Worth American evangelical Christian evangelist, William Franklin “Billy” Graham, Jr., has a net worth of $25 million. The Southern Baptist evangelist,rose to celebrity status as his sermons were broadcast on radio and television.Graham was born on a dairy farm near Charlotte, … TV evangelist quits over sex scandal Jimmy Swaggart, America's leading television evangelist, has resigned from his ministry after it was revealed he had been consorting with a prostitute. Mr Swaggart's confession is all the more scandalous since he himself unleashed fire and brimstone against rival TV evangelist Rev Jim Bakker a few months ago for committing adultery with minister and secretary Jessica Hahn. Edited July 6, 2013 by Suradit69 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentbkk Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 The assets comprise several luxury cars, including a Rolls Royce and a Ferrari I hope the import taxes were correctly paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Suradit69 Posted July 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2013 Corruption ... deceipt ... illegal payments ... Thailand at its finest Just par for the course Yep, only happens in Thailand: Jim Bakker - Created the PTL organization. Convicted of fraud and conspiracy charges after illegally soliciting millions of dollars from his followers.[26] Hogen Fukunaga - Founder of Ho No Hana who was given a twelve-year jail sentence for fraudulently gaining 150 million yen from his followers.[27] Kent Hovind (Dr. Dino) - founder of the Creation Science Evangelism ministry. Willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over Federal income taxes, knowingly structuring transactions in Federally-insured financial institutions to evade the reporting requirements, and obstructing and impeding the administration of the internal revenue laws.[28][29] L. Ron Hubbard - Founder of Scientology. He was convicted of petty theft and ordered to pay a $25 fine in San Luis Obispo, California 1948[30] and in 1978 was convicted of illegal business practices, namely, making false claims about his ability to cure physical illnesses in France. He was sentenced to four years in prison, which was never served.[31][32][33][34][35] Luc Jouret - A founder of the Order of the Solar Temple. He was convicted in Canadian Federal Court of conspiring to buy illegal handguns.[36] Henry Lyons - Former President of National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. Convicted for racketeering and grand theft.[37] Barry Minkow - Head pastor of San Diego's Community Bible Church, and founder of the Fraud Discovery Institute, who had turned to religion and entered the ministry after release from prison for the notorious ZZZZ Best fraud, returned to prison in 2011 for further acts of securities fraud while serving as a clergyman.[38] Sun Myung Moon - Leader of Unification Church, imprisoned for criminal tax fraud in the 1980s.[39] Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh – later called Osho. Fined $400,000 and given a 10-year suspended sentence following a plea bargain agreement in which he made an Alford plea to (1) a charge of having concealed his intent to remain permanently in the U.S. at the time he applied for his visa extension and (2) a charge of having conspired to have followers stay illegally in the country by having them enter into sham marriages.[40]Deported from the United States.[41][42][43][44][45] 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rebelplatoon Posted July 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2013 'Thai monk helps people', 'Monk encourages youths to quit drugs', 'Monk uses donations to help hill tribes', 'Temple fund used to built hospital', 'Free food for poor donated daily by temple', 'Monk creates safe haven for underpriviliged'........ Say yourself, I know these things happen daily, but they dont make good headlines for selling papers, now do they? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) A conversation between a Thai father and son: Son: daddy, daddy. When I grow up I want to be a lawyer! Dad: Hell no!! The're no good. Son: Ok, daddy. I want to be a doctor so I can help people who are sick, I love to heal people. Look, I just healed the dog from tick problem. Dad: Are you freegin' crazy? You been talking to K. Mae again? Son: Ok, daddy. I want to be a scientist. I want to discover how to cure cancer, tb, and kill all the bad dengue mosquitoes. They are maidee mak mak! Dad: Shut T F up!!!! You will be a monk!! Absolutely. I've already told my son it's meditation not medicine for him. And can I have my first Ferrari in pink. Edited July 6, 2013 by bigbamboo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggusoil Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Corruption ... deceipt ... illegal payments ... Thailand at its finest Just par for the course Here we go. Bash Thailand this happens nowhere else in the world syndrome. What pious heights the pure condemn from! Ungh! What purist country do you come from bra? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippybangkok Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Corruption ... deceipt ... illegal payments ... Thailand at its finest Just par for the courseYep, only happens in Thailand: Jim Bakker - Created the PTL organization. Convicted of fraud and conspiracy charges after illegally soliciting millions of dollars from his followers.[26] Hogen Fukunaga - Founder of Ho No Hana who was given a twelve-year jail sentence for fraudulently gaining 150 million yen from his followers.[27] Kent Hovind (Dr. Dino) - founder of the Creation Science Evangelism ministry. Willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over Federal income taxes, knowingly structuring transactions in Federally-insured financial institutions to evade the reporting requirements, and obstructing and impeding the administration of the internal revenue laws.[28][29] L. Ron Hubbard - Founder of Scientology. He was convicted of petty theft and ordered to pay a $25 fine in San Luis Obispo, California 1948[30] and in 1978 was convicted of illegal business practices, namely, making false claims about his ability to cure physical illnesses in France. He was sentenced to four years in prison, which was never served.[31][32][33][34][35] Luc Jouret - A founder of the Order of the Solar Temple. He was convicted in Canadian Federal Court of conspiring to buy illegal handguns.[36] Henry Lyons - Former President of National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. Convicted for racketeering and grand theft.[37] Barry Minkow - Head pastor of San Diego's Community Bible Church, and founder of the Fraud Discovery Institute, who had turned to religion and entered the ministry after release from prison for the notorious ZZZZ Best fraud, returned to prison in 2011 for further acts of securities fraud while serving as a clergyman.[38] Sun Myung Moon - Leader of Unification Church, imprisoned for criminal tax fraud in the 1980s.[39] Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh – later called Osho. Fined $400,000 and given a 10-year suspended sentence following a plea bargain agreement in which he made an Alford plea to (1) a charge of having concealed his intent to remain permanently in the U.S. at the time he applied for his visa extension and (2) a charge of having conspired to have followers stay illegally in the country by having them enter into sham marriages.[40]Deported from the United States.[41][42][43][44][45] Err..... Forgot the Pope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Corruption ... deceipt ... illegal payments ... Thailand at its finest Just par for the course Yep, only happens in Thailand: Jim Bakker - Created the PTL organization. Convicted of fraud and conspiracy charges after illegally soliciting millions of dollars from his followers.[26] Hogen Fukunaga - Founder of Ho No Hana who was given a twelve-year jail sentence for fraudulently gaining 150 million yen from his followers.[27] Kent Hovind (Dr. Dino) - founder of the Creation Science Evangelism ministry. Willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over Federal income taxes, knowingly structuring transactions in Federally-insured financial institutions to evade the reporting requirements, and obstructing and impeding the administration of the internal revenue laws.[28][29] L. Ron Hubbard - Founder of Scientology. He was convicted of petty theft and ordered to pay a $25 fine in San Luis Obispo, California 1948[30] and in 1978 was convicted of illegal business practices, namely, making false claims about his ability to cure physical illnesses in France. He was sentenced to four years in prison, which was never served.[31][32][33][34][35] Luc Jouret - A founder of the Order of the Solar Temple. He was convicted in Canadian Federal Court of conspiring to buy illegal handguns.[36] Henry Lyons - Former President of National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. Convicted for racketeering and grand theft.[37] Barry Minkow - Head pastor of San Diego's Community Bible Church, and founder of the Fraud Discovery Institute, who had turned to religion and entered the ministry after release from prison for the notorious ZZZZ Best fraud, returned to prison in 2011 for further acts of securities fraud while serving as a clergyman.[38] Sun Myung Moon - Leader of Unification Church, imprisoned for criminal tax fraud in the 1980s.[39] Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh – later called Osho. Fined $400,000 and given a 10-year suspended sentence following a plea bargain agreement in which he made an Alford plea to (1) a charge of having concealed his intent to remain permanently in the U.S. at the time he applied for his visa extension and (2) a charge of having conspired to have followers stay illegally in the country by having them enter into sham marriages.[40]Deported from the United States.[41][42][43][44][45] I guess you look something over the head.All names you mention in your post have the word "convicted" or something similar in the sentence. I can name several Thai monks who have been caught redhanded over the years for unusual health, strange enough I can't find any info on their convictions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lawrence Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Where is the list and the amounts appear to be hear say? I see that they list cars, but there appear to be other things collected by the monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post atsiii Posted July 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2013 Corruption ... deceipt ... illegal payments ... Thailand at its finest Just par for the course Yep, only happens in Thailand: Jim Bakker - Created the PTL organization. Convicted of fraud and conspiracy charges after illegally soliciting millions of dollars from his followers.[26] Hogen Fukunaga - Founder of Ho No Hana who was given a twelve-year jail sentence for fraudulently gaining 150 million yen from his followers.[27] Kent Hovind (Dr. Dino) - founder of the Creation Science Evangelism ministry. Willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over Federal income taxes, knowingly structuring transactions in Federally-insured financial institutions to evade the reporting requirements, and obstructing and impeding the administration of the internal revenue laws.[28][29] L. Ron Hubbard - Founder of Scientology. He was convicted of petty theft and ordered to pay a $25 fine in San Luis Obispo, California 1948[30] and in 1978 was convicted of illegal business practices, namely, making false claims about his ability to cure physical illnesses in France. He was sentenced to four years in prison, which was never served.[31][32][33][34][35] Luc Jouret - A founder of the Order of the Solar Temple. He was convicted in Canadian Federal Court of conspiring to buy illegal handguns.[36] Henry Lyons - Former President of National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. Convicted for racketeering and grand theft.[37] Barry Minkow - Head pastor of San Diego's Community Bible Church, and founder of the Fraud Discovery Institute, who had turned to religion and entered the ministry after release from prison for the notorious ZZZZ Best fraud, returned to prison in 2011 for further acts of securities fraud while serving as a clergyman.[38] Sun Myung Moon - Leader of Unification Church, imprisoned for criminal tax fraud in the 1980s.[39] Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh – later called Osho. Fined $400,000 and given a 10-year suspended sentence following a plea bargain agreement in which he made an Alford plea to (1) a charge of having concealed his intent to remain permanently in the U.S. at the time he applied for his visa extension and (2) a charge of having conspired to have followers stay illegally in the country by having them enter into sham marriages.[40]Deported from the United States.[41][42][43][44][45] So... your argument is that two wrongs somehow make a right? The fact that you can pull up headlines from elsewhere is because those people too are being persecuted and prosecuted; that's why they are in the news. If there is murder somewhere else in the world, does that make it okay here? If there is corruption, then it's okay for people to be corrupt here? The monk should be prosecuted; and if found guilty--then he deserves all the legal and verbal abuse he can get. What does or does not happen elsewhere is of little matter; it is still up to all of us to hold up our own to proper conduct; no matter where we live. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 How did you forget GENE? He was a piece of artwork Revend Ike was a gem as well. Dr. Gene Scott I didn't like church as a teenager. I was never a "God-Hater," but the traditional church world was such a turn-off with it's hypocrisy and legalism, that I gave up on "organized religion" altogether. That all changed the first time I heard Dr. Gene Scott on the radio. He was amazing! I couldn't believe that a person with his intellect could also be a Christian. Even though he had an Einstein-like IQ, he never tried to talk over people's heads. He was able to break down complex subject matter and still communicate it. I found Dr. Scott during the time when Christian leadership was represented in the news media by the big three: the effeminate Jim Baker; the smug Jerry Falwell; and the hypocritical Jimmy Swaggart. Dr. Scott seemed too good to be true. "So," I asked, "what's the catch?" After all, my secular education indoctrinated me into believing that a person could not be both smart and be a Christian -- yet Dr. Gene Scott was the living paradox to that stereotype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Corruption ... deceipt ... illegal payments ... Thailand at its finest Just par for the course Yep, only happens in Thailand: Jim Bakker - Created the PTL organization. Convicted of fraud and conspiracy charges after illegally soliciting millions of dollars from his followers.[26] Hogen Fukunaga - Founder of Ho No Hana who was given a twelve-year jail sentence for fraudulently gaining 150 million yen from his followers.[27] Kent Hovind (Dr. Dino) - founder of the Creation Science Evangelism ministry. Willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over Federal income taxes, knowingly structuring transactions in Federally-insured financial institutions to evade the reporting requirements, and obstructing and impeding the administration of the internal revenue laws.[28][29] L. Ron Hubbard - Founder of Scientology. He was convicted of petty theft and ordered to pay a $25 fine in San Luis Obispo, California 1948[30] and in 1978 was convicted of illegal business practices, namely, making false claims about his ability to cure physical illnesses in France. He was sentenced to four years in prison, which was never served.[31][32][33][34][35] Luc Jouret - A founder of the Order of the Solar Temple. He was convicted in Canadian Federal Court of conspiring to buy illegal handguns.[36] Henry Lyons - Former President of National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. Convicted for racketeering and grand theft.[37] Barry Minkow - Head pastor of San Diego's Community Bible Church, and founder of the Fraud Discovery Institute, who had turned to religion and entered the ministry after release from prison for the notorious ZZZZ Best fraud, returned to prison in 2011 for further acts of securities fraud while serving as a clergyman.[38] Sun Myung Moon - Leader of Unification Church, imprisoned for criminal tax fraud in the 1980s.[39] Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh – later called Osho. Fined $400,000 and given a 10-year suspended sentence following a plea bargain agreement in which he made an Alford plea to (1) a charge of having concealed his intent to remain permanently in the U.S. at the time he applied for his visa extension and (2) a charge of having conspired to have followers stay illegally in the country by having them enter into sham marriages.[40]Deported from the United States.[41][42][43][44][45] So... your argument is that two wrongs somehow make a right? The fact that you can pull up headlines from elsewhere is because those people too are being persecuted and prosecuted; that's why they are in the news. If there is murder somewhere else in the world, does that make it okay here? If there is corruption, then it's okay for people to be corrupt here? The monk should be prosecuted; and if found guilty--then he deserves all the legal and verbal abuse he can get. What does or does not happen elsewhere is of little matter; it is still up to all of us to hold up our own to proper conduct; no matter where we live. . Surely his post is made in jest At least I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostmebike Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 The evidence against this 'holy man' and his financial activities seems to be so damning, one wonders if it will lead to extradition should he decide to stay put in France. Couple his thirst for jet-setting with his apparent lust for the 'gals', you've got to ask, why/how has he gone so untouched/noticed till now? The general opinions of people of faith is one of decency and devotion to religion yet this one man has and will continue to drag Thai Buddhism and all it stands for through the sh*te for a long time. Many Thais were already disillusioned but the faith he 'practises'. This will no doubt fuel their doubts even further and the longer this 'shower' continues to rain, the more Thais will wonder why they donate and visit the temples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xonax Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 He could have been a good politician in Thailand. Only difference is, that politicians don´t get caught. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tominbkk Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 The pic this morning on the BP is the head abbot of his congregation heading into the courthouse, looking all agitated. He claims that the monk is a disgrace etc etc. I would tend to think the abbot would have had to known what was going on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Couple his thirst for jet-setting with his apparent lust for the 'gals', you've got to ask, why/how has he gone so untouched/noticed till now? T People tend not to notice anything when they crawl over the floor face down 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post catmac Posted July 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2013 Good to see the Monk apologists out in force! All Suradit69"s points just reinforce my opinion that ALL extreme religions are corrupt and perverted, the difference being that in the West most of these charlatans are exposed, humiliated and imprisoned. I see one on the list doing 45 years for fraud! In LOS, however, they are feted by senior police and army officers and defended by TV's own peculiar sect! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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