UK immigration backlog 'tops 500,000' say MPs

[transam]

But NOT paying taxes OR NI. Big burden for the native UK guy/gal.

Strictly speaking in this situation the illegal action is by the employer not the worker

Both, but the UK has reduced staff to deal with this stuff so the chances of being caught are near nil. It's a ''Come on down'' situation and folk know it.

[transam]

At least the situation has provided legal employment for van drivers..................

[7by7]

That poster, which has been 'trialled' in some London boroughs, has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

This thread is about the backlog of applications; not trial measures to deal with unknown illegal immigrants.

What is obvious from some of the posts in this thread, though, is that certain posters can't tell the difference between an applicant awaiting a decision on their case and someone who is in the country illegally!

[transam]

That poster, which has been 'trialled' in some London boroughs, has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

This thread is about the backlog of applications; not trial measures to deal with unknown illegal immigrants.

What is obvious from some of the posts in this thread, though, is that certain posters can't tell the difference between an applicant awaiting a decision on their case and someone who is in the country illegally!

Are you saying folk who mysteriously have lost their passport and trying to stay in the UK are not within in this topic title ?

I am sure you will come up with the answer for us though..

[7by7]

If they are in the system then they are within, I think, the scope of this topic.

[Jay Sata]

That poster, which has been 'trialled' in some London boroughs, has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

This thread is about the backlog of applications; not trial measures to deal with unknown illegal immigrants.

What is obvious from some of the posts in this thread, though, is that certain posters can't tell the difference between an applicant awaiting a decision on their case and someone who is in the country illegally!

You dear sir appear to be blind to many aspects of the UK's immigration policy and system when it does not suit you.

An illegal immigrant awaiting a decision is still not here legally.

Applying for legal immigration status via the system and the publicly funded legal aid does not change the fact that a person arrived in the country

by being deceitful.

Reading some of your past contributions I'm sure you'd clear the backlog by granting indefinite leave to remain as long as 'they can support themselves'.

Inside that backlog are some pretty nasty individuals.

In the 15 months from January 2012, the Home Office researched nearly 800 cases where individuals were suspected of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

It made "adverse recommendations" against 99 people who had applied for British citizenship, asylum or leave to remain in the UK. A further 16 war crimes suspects had applied to enter the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23495314

[7by7]

Thank you for proving my point far better than I could.

[ava15]

Brilliant

[Waterloo]

That poster, which has been 'trialled' in some London boroughs, has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

This thread is about the backlog of applications; not trial measures to deal with unknown illegal immigrants.

What is obvious from some of the posts in this thread, though, is that certain posters can't tell the difference between an applicant awaiting a decision on their case and someone who is in the country illegally!

You dear sir appear to be blind to many aspects of the UK's immigration policy and system when it does not suit you.

An illegal immigrant awaiting a decision is still not here legally.

Applying for legal immigration status via the system and the publicly funded legal aid does not change the fact that a person arrived in the country

by being deceitful.

Reading some of your past contributions I'm sure you'd clear the backlog by granting indefinite leave to remain as long as 'they can support themselves'.

Inside that backlog are some pretty nasty individuals.

In the 15 months from January 2012, the Home Office researched nearly 800 cases where individuals were suspected of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

It made "adverse recommendations" against 99 people who had applied for British citizenship, asylum or leave to remain in the UK. A further 16 war crimes suspects had applied to enter the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23495314

Which just goes to highlight why dealing with the backlog should be treated more seriously, if the characters you have highlighted have applied in country I for one would like to see them invited to leave sooner rather than later, as opposed to the current situation were they would appear to be allowed to stay indefinatley.

Under Bobs proposal, which is not an amnesty there applications will closed a lot quicker.

[bobrussell]

The key thing is to bring the runaway train to a controlled halt.

Removing large numbers from the list by a simple bureaucratic exercise will allow more experienced staff to identify the problem applications more easily. Those not replying for whatever reason will come out of the system. Other applicants can be granted leave quickly and fairly leaving the problem cases to be assessed properly.

The war crimes applicants are generally caught up in the legal system having been refused leave. Worst case scenario ILR can be removed if it is proved that the applicant lied (criminal record/war crimes).

A crisis situation has to be replaced with a controlled one.

Of course war and hardened criminals should be refused leave but it then becomes a fight between the Home Office and the Courts. At least these individuals are also off the backlog! Another group sorted!

[Jay Sata]

That all sound sensible to me.

What would you do with those who have no identity documents and refuse to reveal where they came from?

Edited July 30, 2013 by Jay Sata

[transam]

That all sound sensible to me.

What would you do with those who have no identity documents and refuse to reveal where they came from?

You will have folk here stumped with that question. Though I have previously written here about these folk that have ''learned'' from their folk IN the UK how to deal with the UK system.

[bobrussell]

That all sound sensible to me.

What would you do with those who have no identity documents and refuse to reveal where they came from?

They are not part of the backlog of applications. Any application being made by someone who is refusing to cooperate is likely to be refused anyway.

If they claim asylum they have to state where they are from and what they are claiming protection from.

We are talking about reducing the backlog of applications not dealing with the problem of illegal immigration!

I can only 'correct' one b*lls up at a time!!! (for some reason I cannot get the smiley's to work - I am not being serious!)

[7by7]

Bob, I'm afraid you are making a big mistake.

You are addressing Jay Sata and transam rationally and factually.

They and their ilk are not interested in rationality nor facts.

Me?

Firstly, there is no requirement under any UK law for anyone to carry identity documents. Whether or not that is a good thing is a matter for debate, but nothing to do with this topic.

However, if a suspected illegal is apprehended and is unable to provide the necessary documentation to show that he is in the UK legally, then I do agree that simply bailing them means many disappear. But detention without trial or charge is a hornets nest; ever heard of Habeas Corpus?

Some would simply say "No documents? First plane home!" But where is home? What if, like with China, the 'home' country wont accept them without documentation?

It's a complex situation; and one that requires a complex solution.

But, again, it's not the subject of this topic.

Edited July 30, 2013 by 7by7

[Jay Sata]

So with all your expertise 7by7 perhaps you can enlighten us and the Border Agency on fixing the problem.

What do you suggest?

You appear to think all the backlog is caused by reasonable people awaiting processing of their documents before they

are allowed ILR. To do what?

Immigration is top of the pile with all politicians now because that is reflected in polls.

The system is overloaded by economic migrants running rings around the understaffed Border Agency.

The Home Secretary and Prime Minister are trying to clear up the mess left by Blair and Brown and that backlog occurred on their watch

as did the doling out of a million stated funded homes.

Meanwhile a million and a half people born in the UK are on waiting lists.

Edited July 30, 2013 by Jay Sata

[7by7]

See my edit.

[transam]

Bob, I'm afraid you are making a big mistake.

You are addressing Jay Sata and transam rationally and factually.

They and their ilk are not interested in rationality nor facts.

Me?

Firstly, there is no requirement under any UK law for anyone to carry identity documents. Whether or not that is a good thing is a matter for debate, but nothing to do with this topic.

However, if a suspected illegal is apprehended and is unable to provide the necessary documentation to show that he is in the UK legally, then I do agree that simply bailing them is ridiculous as many disappear. But detention without trial or charge is a hornets nest; ever heard of Habeas Corpus?

Some would simply say "No documents? First plane home!" But where is home?

It's a complex situation; and one that requires a complex solution.

But, again, it's not the subject of this topic.

Oh yeh, you want I ask the Lithuanians that plastered my house how they can work here, pay nothing into the system but have noooooooooooooo problems.

[7by7]

So you employed illegal immigrants to plaster your house?

[7by7]

My apologies; Lithuania is, of course, a member of the EU. So your Lithuanian plasterers were probably in the UK and working legally; unless you know different.

If they are working illegally I must ask; given your views, why did you employ them?

[ava15]

My sides...stop!

[transam]

So you employed illegal immigrants to plaster your house?

No I didn't, I employed a company to plaster my house, did a good job and learned over a couple of days the picture. Folk like yourself are blind to whats happening to YOUR country. I have said it many times here but you always say.....................................

[ava15]

I personally know of at least five or six british tradesmen who dont pay the correct taxes.

[7by7]

So what is the picture?

That the company legally employs Lithuanians who are legally exercising their treaty rights to live and work in the UK?

How is that relevant to this topic, let alone the problem of illegal immigrants?

[transam]

So what is the picture?

That the company legally employs Lithuanians who are legally exercising their treaty rights to live and work in the UK?

How is that relevant to this topic, let alone the problem of illegal immigrants?

, here you go again, ''They'' were legal plasterers.

I know different, why cos l inquired via another plasterer.

Gawd, you should really back off the ''Everyone in UK is legit'' crusade.

[7by7]

In what way were they not legal?

Given your views, you have presumably reported both them and the company to the DWP, HMRC, the Home Office or even the police, whichever is relevant to whatever they were doing which is illegal?

[ava15]

I think we have another daily mail reader confused about the e.u, or believing that only those darned foreigners cheat the system!

[ava15]

I think we have another daily mail reader confused about the e.u, or believing that only those darned foreigners cheat the system!

[ava15]

I think we have another daily mail reader confused about the e.u, or believing that only those darned foreigners cheat the system!

[Jay Sata]

I think we have another daily mail reader confused about the e.u, or believing that only those darned foreigners cheat the system!

Apart from cheering 7by7 from the back of the room what suggestions do you have for clearing the backlog?

I suspect none.

[transam]

In what way were they not legal?

Given your views, you have presumably reported both them and the company to the DWP, HMRC, the Home Office or even the police, whichever is relevant to whatever they were doing which is illegal?

, typical ''upright'' reply which l expected. As YOU know from our previous ''chats'' here, l am not a grass, especially when the government of the day does not want to fund their own citizens protection from illegals. But you carry on with your quest of protection.