You seriously dated someone who left school at the age of 13.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

There is street smarts and there is university smarts. One is not necessarily better than the other. It all depends on the life style that you choose to live. There are lots of university professors who would not survive a month in the jungles of the Amazon or the arctic tundra, but the uneducated locals do quite well there.

Where foreign men tend to make mistakes is they are sexually attracted to pretty, young Thai women , but expect the women to have the same values and ideals as they do. Sorry, leopards seldom change their spots.

2 points to answer here.

"There is street smarts and university smarts"

Usually stated in its many forms by people who have no qualifications at all (or married someone with no qualifications at all).

"Sexually attracted but expect women to have same values as men"

I agree often women don't share the same values as men, it's all about "me" and "my worth" and "what I can get" for many women. Men often expect loyalty, duty and a sense of fair play, which are their values, but rarely get it.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I was trying to make sense of the OP's topic of why an educated man would marry a girl with no education. When you also add a different culture into the mix then you have a recipe for disaster. I often enjoy the company of street smart people with little or no formal education, but I would not want to live with them long term. You just run out of things to talk about. Sex may be important in a relationship, but it takes so little actual time that there has to be a lot more to a relationship than that.

As a previous poster stated, very few educated TV posters. For the few that are educated,

Educated man marries much younger uneducated girl = sex toy/servant.

Why would you try to talk with a sex toy/servant? you don't, you just issue instructions on what you want done next.

Edited August 3, 2013 by AnotherOneAmerican

[rene123]

There is street smarts and there is university smarts. One is not necessarily better than the other. It all depends on the life style that you choose to live. There are lots of university professors who would not survive a month in the jungles of the Amazon or the arctic tundra, but the uneducated locals do quite well there.

Where foreign men tend to make mistakes is they are sexually attracted to pretty, young Thai women , but expect the women to have the same values and ideals as they do. Sorry, leopards seldom change their spots.

2 points to answer here.

"There is street smarts and university smarts"

Usually stated in its many forms by people who have no qualifications at all (or married someone with no qualifications at all).

"Sexually attracted but expect women to have same values as men"

I agree often women don't share the same values as men, it's all about "me" and "my worth" and "what I can get" for many women. Men often expect loyalty, duty and a sense of fair play, which are their values, but rarely get it.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I was trying to make sense of the OP's topic of why an educated man would marry a girl with no education. When you also add a different culture into the mix then you have a recipe for disaster. I often enjoy the company of street smart people with little or no formal education, but I would not want to live with them long term. You just run out of things to talk about. Sex may be important in a relationship, but it takes so little actual time that there has to be a lot more to a relationship than that.As a previous poster stated, very few educated TV posters. For the few that are educated,

Educated man marries much younger uneducated girl = sex toy/servant.

Why would you try to talk with a sex toy/servant? you don't, you just issue instructions on what you want done next.

Again, I don't disagree with you, but why would an educated man want a relationship like that? He would be better off using sex workers and a maid.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Again, I don't disagree with you, but why would an educated man want a relationship like that? He would be better off using sex workers and a maid.

Guessing here but suspect western morality/Christian guilt trip thingy.

Using sex worker = bad man.

Using wife = good man (or at least acceptable).

I don't understand it, but using hookers generally makes many western men (including me) feel bad about ourselves.

Edited August 3, 2013 by AnotherOneAmerican

[rene123]

Again, I don't disagree with you, but why would an educated man want a relationship like that? He would be better off using sex workers and a maid.

Guessing here but suspect western morality/Christian guilt trip thingy.

Using sex worker = bad man.

Using wife = good man (or at least acceptable).

I don't understand it, but using hookers generally makes many western men (including me) feel bad about ourselves.

Agreed on that. It is the BS we've been brought up under and stuck with.

[SinglePot]

"I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I was trying to make sense of the OP's topic of why an educated man would marry a girl with no education."

Because he likes her style (unquantifiable)......?

Because he sees potential.......?

Because she may not be educated but is nevertheless intelligent......?

Because she has a nice a**...,.?

Why does a western educated male, marry a western educated female?

.

[up2you2]

There is street smarts and there is university smarts. One is not necessarily better than the other. It all depends on the life style that you choose to live. There are lots of university professors who would not survive a month in the jungles of the Amazon or the arctic tundra, but the uneducated locals do quite well there.

Where foreign men tend to make mistakes is they are sexually attracted to pretty, young Thai women , but expect the women to have the same values and ideals as they do. Sorry, leopards seldom change their spots.

2 points to answer here.

"There is street smarts and university smarts"

Usually stated in its many forms by people who have no qualifications at all (or married someone with no qualifications at all).

"Sexually attracted but expect women to have same values as men"

I agree often women don't share the same values as men, it's all about "me" and "my worth" and "what I can get" for many women. Men often expect loyalty, duty and a sense of fair play, which are their values, but rarely get it.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I was trying to make sense of the OP's topic of why an educated man would marry a girl with no education. When you also add a different culture into the mix then you have a recipe for disaster. I often enjoy the company of street smart people with little or no formal education, but I would not want to live with them long term. You just run out of things to talk about. Sex may be important in a relationship, but it takes so little actual time that there has to be a lot more to a relationship than that.

"but I was trying to make sense of the OP's topic of why an educated man would marry a girl with no education."

Good question.

All things being equal, given the choice I'm sure there are some men who might prefer educated women, but the reality is that in Thailand they are few and far between.

I tried to make a joke of it on my OP (wish I hadn't now), that statistically Thailand bears little comparison to the west for those that have received higher education.

This is a fact, albeit has now been rectified since 2002.

So maybe the question is why do foreign men prefer uneducated Thai women, to western ones that are?

What is it about Thai women, that western men are prepared to compromise over their educational experience.

"When you also add a different culture into the mix then you have a recipe for disaster."

Not necessary so, for those that have had an education with any luck, can realise that the rest of the world doesn't have to revolve around their set of table manners.

If I was still in my own country, I would have a whole load of pre-conceived values and standards, of what I would be subconsciously and consciously looking for in a mate.

Thankfully somebody taught me, that I should have left all of this excess luggage back at Heathrow.

And you know what, it has literally opened up the rest of the world to me.

A huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders, and I now take and look at people as who they are, as opposed to my pre-conceived ideas of what they should be.

And for me personally, I find far easier to excuse somebody from a different, race, culture and religion.

"You just run out of things to talk about', got it in one.

Horses for courses, as the English expression goes.

I think this problem is universal, to the extent that one could open up a whole debate of what men and women really do have in common.

Although I have met many, many women, I dare say more than most men, and I have only ever found two who could stimulate me mentally.

I think we just have fundamentally different interests, men are from Mars, women are from Venus.

[SinglePot]

"Although I have met many, many women, I dare say more than most men, and I have only ever found two who could stimulate me mentally."

Up to you buddy.

Good evening.

[up2you2]

"I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I was trying to make sense of the OP's topic of why an educated man would marry a girl with no education."

Because he likes her style (unquantifiable)......?

Because he sees potential.......?

Because she may not be educated but is nevertheless intelligent......?

Because she has a nice a**...,.?

Why does a western educated male, marry a western educated female?

.

Maybe there is no sense why educated men marry girls with no education.

Because for sure they do, and in droves.

For me one of the biggest attractions is that Thai women are not confrontational.

Being non confrontational by the way does not mean subservient.

For example outside a cinema multiplex in the west, couples will argue like mad over which movie they will view.

In the east the wife simple states up to you.

However for the following week and thereafter, for some strange reason the husband never needs to ask this question again.

They get from A to B without all the dramatics.

[Thaddeus]

For example outside a cinema multiplex in the west, couples will argue like mad over which movie they will view.

In the east the wife simple states up to you.

Really, that's your experience is it?

In the west, when I was 50% of the couple, we discussed what we wanted to view long before we even got to the 'multiplex' ..... guess what, same thing happens here.

Now be a good boy, and get back under your bridge, there's an ample supply of popcorn and Bananas in Pyjamas DVDs.

[bdw]

I would enjoy a relationship with an undereducated women, keeps me in control

[Kudel]

A few years ago there was an undercover tv program in my country about female uni students working as high class escorts to pay for there law studies ,engineering studies etc...

Of course when giving intervieuws there faces would not be seen.

Apparently some of these ladies where from good families and where doing this to get some extra cash some of them had moguls of industrie as costumers ,big sportsjocks politicians etc....

Some of these gals where making more money then most high paid offshore workers and of course tax free because most of them still had there adres with mommy and daddy and where registerd as students and still getting child benefits and that was the biggest joke of all.

Talk about money for nothing and youre chicks for free .

Monica lewinski was an amateur compared to these chicks ,

So one must sometimes question how some people got said degrees even in western country's before judging Thai woman with so called uni degrees or even bar girls.

Edited August 3, 2013 by Kudel

[Nana Cowboy]

I would enjoy a relationship with an undereducated women, keeps me in control

thats what you think. point is they are dumb and argue with you thinking theyre right. been there done that. nightmare

[rene123]

There are lots of different plots and sub-plots within this one topic. No one answer is applicable to all.

[benalibina]

There are lots of different plots and sub-plots within this one topic. No one answer is applicable to all.

Crime novel ?

You solve the mystery for us Agatha, ok ?

[NeverSure]

Some clarifications on my OP.

Sure choosing a spouse from a radically different socio-economic group will highlight potential difficulties, but to criticize those for doing so, well maybe you do find that acceptable.

The women who I do know would all have higher qualifications, if they had been given half the chance.

All I trying to say here is that I have met some incredible intelligent women without qualifications, but regrettable they were all denied further education, simple because of their backgrounds.

Sure qualifications aren't everything, but try stating that on your CV.

I was far from denigrating those that have been under privilege.

However I was in fact criticizing those who do cast aspersions for dating or marrying women, that in their eyes have "dropped" out of school at 13.

I don't know about you, but I have to really struggle when I try to think of just how many guys I've met, whose girl friends and wives did not in fact leave school at 13.

But perhaps I am showing my age.

This seems to be a new tactic from you. is it because you are unable to delete posts on this forum that don't agree with you ?

Or is it that you are now changing your stance, in order to agree with people that don't agree with you.

People that left school early

Princess Diana dropped out of school at 16.

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Benjamin Franklin wore many hats: politician, diplomat, author, printer, publisher, scientist, inventor, founding father, and coauthor and cosigner of the Declaration of Independence. One thing he was not was a high school graduate. Franklin was the fifteenth child and youngest son in a family of 20. He spent two years at the Boston Latin School before dropping out at age ten and going to work for his father, and then his brother, as a printer.

Albert Einstein Although he was named Time magazine's "Man of the Century," Albert Einstein was not an "Einstein" in school. The Nobel Prize-winning physicist, famous for his theory of relativity and contributions to quantum theory and statistical mechanics, dropped out of high school at age 15. Deciding to continue his education a year later, Einstein took the entrance exam to the prestigious Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, but failed. He returned to high school, got his diploma, and then passed the university's entrance exam on his second attempt.

Walt Disney In 1918, while still in high school, future Oscar-winning film producer and theme park pioneer Walt Disney began taking night courses at the Academy of Fine Arts in Chicago. Disney dropped out of high school at age 16 to join the army, but because he was too young to enlist, he joined the Red Cross with a forged birth certificate instead. Disney was sent to France where he drove an ambulance that was covered from top to bottom with cartoons that eventually became his film characters. After becoming the multimillionaire founder of the Walt Disney Company and winning the Presidential Medal of Freedom, Disney received an honorary high school diploma at age 58

Britain's Sir Richard Branson is a self-made billionaire businessman. He founded Virgin Atlantic Airways, Virgin Records, Virgin Mobile, and most recently, a space tourism company to provide suborbital trips into space for anyone who can afford them. Suffering from dyslexia, Branson was a poor student, so he quit school at age 16 and moved to London, where he began his first successful entrepreneurial activity, publishing Student magazine.

Colonel Harland Sanders overcame his lack of education to become the biggest drumstick in the fried chicken business. His father died when he was six years old, and since his mother worked, he was forced to cook for his family. After dropping out of elementary school, Sanders worked many jobs, including firefighter, steamboat driver, and insurance salesman. He later earned a law degree from a correspondence school. Sanders' cooking and business experience helped him make millions as the founder of Kentucky Fried Chicken (now KFC).

Charles Dickens, author of numerous classics including Oliver Twist, A Tale of Two Cities, and A Christmas Carol, attended elementary school until his life took a twist of its own when his father was imprisoned for debt. At age 12, he left school and began working ten-hour days in a boot-blacking factory. Dickens later worked as a law clerk and a court stenographer. At age 22, he became a journalist, reporting parliamentary debate and covering election campaigns for a newspaper. His first collection of stories, Sketches by Boz(Boz was his nickname), was published in 1836 and led to his first novel, The Pickwick Papers, in March 1836.

You missed Bill Gates. Founder of Microsoft and the richest man in the world even after giving more than 25% of his fortune to charity.

[pigeonjake]

so it seems on here that some want to be with there g/f wife just to bloody talk to them,,

now that is boring in thailand,,,,lol

or anywere else for that matter,

[JLCrab]

so it seems on here that some want to be with there g/f wife just to bloody talk to them,,

now that is boring in thailand,,,,lol

or anywere else for that matter,

Even after almost 10 years we have great conversations generally along the order of the Thai equivalent of:

Her: Dahlink, I need money for fill-in-the-blank ..

He: Shut-up and take your clothes off.

[MrWorldwide]

Thai universities have to be doing something right - how many would live in a Bangkok condo, or bank with a Thai bank, if you really thought the people emerging from Engineering and Accounting courses at Thai universities were incompetent ? I guess the cynics will tell me the skyscrapers are built by Japanese contractors hiring Burmese workers, but it's easy to brush aside their accomplishments with throwaway lines like that. Boom and bust be damned - central BKK is still a very impressive skyline compared to most of Thailand's neighbours. I guess time will tell re the longterm strength of the economy, but I'm a lot happier to get in a lift in BKK than I would be in Bangladesh ....

[JLCrab]

Hey Mr. WW -- not Japanese or Burmese; Italian (at least before 1981)

http://www.itd.co.th/en/index.php

Edited August 3, 2013 by JLCrab

[Nana Cowboy]

A purely physical relationship can work for a while but there's no future in it

[MobileContent]

At our office we have over 200 Thai's that have a degree and many in Computer Science/Accounting & Finance but they still do not know how to write a good software application. The only one that is able to write a good application he actually doesn't have a degree but he is the best of all (Mathayum 6).

I made him the Chief Development Manager of our software development and all those degree holders got pissed and complained to the HR department.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Thai universities have to be doing something right - how many would live in a Bangkok condo, or bank with a Thai bank, if you really thought the people emerging from Engineering and Accounting courses at Thai universities were incompetent ? I guess the cynics will tell me the skyscrapers are built by Japanese contractors hiring Burmese workers, but it's easy to brush aside their accomplishments with throwaway lines like that. Boom and bust be damned - central BKK is still a very impressive skyline compared to most of Thailand's neighbours. I guess time will tell re the longterm strength of the economy, but I'm a lot happier to get in a lift in BKK than I would be in Bangladesh ....

Having interacted with the 'home loan' manager from SCB, who didn't understand stocks, shares, pensions, share trading accounts, and asked if I could "just point to the entry in my Thai bank book which was my monthly wages". I'm thinking Thai banking is about 500bht in and out of accounts, which needs a person able to punch buttons on a calculator and not much else.

Wasn't there two condo blocks that fell over in BK earlier this year, and a shopping mall that did same a few years earlier?

[ThaidDown]

Even after almost 10 years we have great conversations generally along the order of the Thai equivalent of:

Her: Dahlink, I need money for fill-in-the-blank ..

He: Shut-up and take your clothes off.

You have not been married long.... after 25 years it goes like this

Her: Dahlink, I need money for fill-in-the-blank ..

Me: He: Shut up and put your clothes back on.

(ps To wife ,if reading, just joking, honest.)

[mike123ca]

The op's wife has a university degree, so does mine but when I apply for a marriage degree my wife can only get me the inferior one where I have to show the money.

The male farmer from Nakon Nowhere with only a elementary school education and not a satang to his name can easily get his wife a far superior marriage visa without any hoops to jump or money to show.

Having a university degree doesn't make you a better marriage partner.

[chrisinth]

No, this isn't a thread about dating 13 year olds, rather those that left school at the age 13.

I thought that such a statement deserves a thread of it's own.

The original post to do it justice from another thread was:

(When was your last holiday in the west where you had everything done for you be a local girl that left school at age 13?)

Back to school here on the spelling I'm afraid - Ed.

and it gets better with another post in the same vain:

How many in the West would marry a girl who dropped out of school at 13?

Why would anyone do that here? By the way, my wife has a computer science degree -- that probably makes a difference.

There but for the grace of God, go I.

So what's my point.

I couldn't believe that these individuals, would make such naive, crass, uneducated statements.

Thailand is an agrarian country, and it's only since we entered the present century, that the women have come out of the rice fields.

Free compulsory education in the UK up to 16 years of age came into force in 1972.

By comparison free education in Thailand was only up to the age of 12 years, as late as 2002.

Only in August 2002 was it increased to 16.

The 1999 National Education Act also legislates that compulsory education shall be extended from six to nine years and shall be completely undertaken within the year 2002:

http://www.unesco.org/education/wef/countryreports/thailand/rapport_1.html

So that makes the said computer scientist wife only 23 or younger - lucky guy.

No.

If she is older than 23, by default this means she was privately educated, along with the other 10% of the population.

Whilst the other 90% were condemned to work in the rice fields, because free state education was only up 12 years of age.

I don't know about you, but when I got off the plane for the first time at Don Mueang Airport, I was inundated with post graduate Thai girls wai-ing and presenting me with garlands.

On arriving down town, everywhere I went I couldn't help bumping into girls that had MBA's, Ph.D's etc.

In fact I thought I had just walked onto the game show University Challenge.

I dated some-one who had to finish her education at the age of eleven, I also married her after an acquantance of two years,

She is one of the most amazing women I have ever met.

Although not academically gifted she has an outstanding acumen for conducting business.

When we lived in England, she took a Mensa test and returned a score of 126 at 47 years of age.Truly outstanding in my view.

With the opportunities she grasped after our meeting, she went on to amass her own weath and it's significant.

Intelligence is not solely measured by documentation in the real world. The ability to apply ones knowledge is paramount.

It's wrong to belittle people who haven't been blessed with the opportunities that we in the west take for granted (and in some places don't even pay for).

Some may be educated, but know nothing of value.

Jerry

"Intelligence is not solely measured by documentation in the real world"

I would like to expand on that sentence to say that (IMHO) intelligence is restricted by documentation in the academic world.

Imagination removed, the box lid closed with the student inside...........................

[JLCrab]

A purely physical relationship can work for a while but there's no future in it

In the long run we are all dead. -- John Maynard Keynes (1923)

[robblok]

so it seems on here that some want to be with there g/f wife just to bloody talk to them,,

now that is boring in thailand,,,,lol

or anywere else for that matter,

Actually not JUST tot talk with her, but i think i spend more time talking with her then having sex with her. I guess its the same with most guys as its quite easy as all those things said during a day add up in time. I doubt many have as long sex with her as they talk with her.

I just find it good to have a gf that has a brain (as i said no education does not mean no brain just a higher chance of it). Its good to have someone who has been raised in this country to be able to help you and find your stuff. This is the same reason why I dont believe in those relations where the couple can't communicate (her english is bad his thai is worse).

Then again I am not the average male and I understand that there are many different preferences here.

[robblok]

Again, I don't disagree with you, but why would an educated man want a relationship like that? He would be better off using sex workers and a maid.

Guessing here but suspect western morality/Christian guilt trip thingy.

Using sex worker = bad man.

Using wife = good man (or at least acceptable).

I don't understand it, but using hookers generally makes many western men (including me) feel bad about ourselves.

I have absolutely no problem using sex workers, but i stopped doing it because they are not into sex like a girl that really wants you. Morally I have no problems with it at all. But after all the excuses why they wanted to stop.. too big.. not feeling good.. tired ect ect. They want money and the sex is just something they have to do, they don't enjoy it or want it they want it over as fast as possible. It cant be compared with a girl that really wants you.

[robblok]

so it seems on here that some want to be with there g/f wife just to bloody talk to them,,

now that is boring in thailand,,,,lol

or anywere else for that matter,

Actually not JUST tot talk with her, but i think i spend more time talking with her then having sex with her. I guess its the same with most guys as its quite easy as all those things said during a day add up in time. I doubt many have as long sex with her as they talk with her.

I just find it good to have a gf that has a brain (as i said no education does not mean no brain just a higher chance of it). Its good to have someone who has been raised in this country to be able to help you and find your stuff. This is the same reason why I dont believe in those relations where the couple can't communicate (her english is bad his thai is worse).

Then again I am not the average male and I understand that there are many different preferences here.

The average male is maybe able to find is own stuff and at times (cosmetics aside) actually help her find hers.

Also, it is possible to spend lots of time with a wife or girlfriend and -- without the cause being language incompatibility -- not say ANYTHING.

Getting my own stuff is a lot easier now i speak some Thai but nothing beats a smart local helping you that you can communicate with at a good level. If the resource is available why not use it, why invent the wheel twice.

A friend of mine is half Thai and half Dutch it really helps at times to speak with him to find some stuff over here. If you have a gf that is real good in English and has a good brain a lot of things go much easier.

That said, I would hate to get dependent on a girl too much and like my space and do things myself but when you need some special stuff a knowledgeable local helps a lot.

[pigeonjake]

my wife couldnt speak english when i met her and i couldnt speak thai,

but my god we have had some laughs learning and still do,,lol,

all im botherd about is both of us being happy, im not botherd if her english isnt perfect, and take it from me my thai will never be perfect,

life to short in my opinion to worry about little things like being able to talk to my wife about the arts, or polatics, both of which i dont like,

we chat about all sorts of bloody things, things that you might not want to chat about to your wife,

that what ive been trying to say on here for years we are all different and we are all looking for different things, both in life and in our women,

my wife is very intelegent, loves to read, she loves to learn new things, ive told her she could be our village english teacher not a dought in my mind,

anyway enough of me and my bad spelling and gramer, ill get off, and earn some money, well get to bed im on the nightshift,

take care all,, just remember we are all different and we all need and look for different things in this old life of ours,

jake