NSC chief denies Thailand a location for X-Keyscore

[Lite Beer]

US' TOP-SECRET PROGRAMME
NSC chief denies Thailand a location for X-Keyscore
The Sunday Nation

BANGKOK: -- The National Security Council (NSC) chief yesterday dismissed as groundless reports that Thailand is a location for the United States' X-Keyscore data-spying operation.

NSC secretary general Paradorn Pattanatabutr said the country did not house any computer servers involved in such an operation. "We have computer laws controlling matters like this," he said, adding that the allegation may have stemmed from the close ties the two countries enjoy.

US whistle-blower Edward Snowden has revealed that X-Keyscore analyses the "widest-reaching" collection of online data. One set of documents he unveiled showed the programme covered "nearly everything a typical user does on the Internet", including the content of e-mails, online activities, and websites visited and searched.

-- The Nation 2013-08-04

[Thai at Heart]

So the nsa's own report is bogus then.

No rendition sites either of course.

[kotsak]

Like they would know...

[arthurboy]

"We have computer laws controlling matters like this,"...

Yes, Thailand also has lots of laws to control corruption, human trafficking, gambling and illegal drug trafficking.

So?

[noitom]

Thailand disputes claims.

[Pimay1]

The National Security Council (NSC) chief yesterday dismissed as groundless reports

We all know what that means.

[tomross46]

SSDD Same S#*t different day. Like the three monkeys, See nothing, hear nothing, say nothing.

[EyesWideOpen]

Sure looks like one of the dots from Snowden's map of the sites is Bangkok....

Really tough call on who to believe, Snowden with no reason to lie, or the NSC

with every reason to lie...

[Publicus]

Edward Snowden's revelation of the XKeyscore program, which is a legal foreign intelligence gathering program, reveals how Snowden went far beyond stealing NSA domestic surveillance activities.

Snowden has stolen far reaching US intelligence gathering information worldwide, globally. Snowden is not interested in only the privacy of US citizens in the United States. The privacy of US citizens in the United States may in fact be of little interest to Snowden.

Snowden has systematically stolen voluminous information and documents which are vital to the global national security interests of the United States, on a global scale. Why Snowden took those particular documents in in the thousands raises questions about Snowden's real purposes and designs.

Snowden first when to the CCP-PRC with the volumes of highly classified global national security information affecting the United States. Then Snowden went to Moscow, where Russian agents also have been milking him for information.

Snowden has revealed US global national security information to the leftist Guardian newspaper, where he deals with an anti-American journalist, Glenn Greenwald. Snowden has accepted asylum offered by several leftist governments of Latin America.

We've discovered that Wikileaks and its founder Julian Assange and Vladimir Putin are bedfellows in a strange alliance that makes Wikileaks an arm of Putin's domestic and foreign policy agendas.

Wikileaks will publish everything Snowden has, to include what Thailand officials may know or be doing in the XKeyscore program.

Wikileaks however has never published any expose' of Beijing's cyber espionage or cyber theft, or of Moscow's international espionage or shadowy activities. There's been no expose' by Wikileaks of al Qaeda and its activities, leaders, organization.

Wikileaks has no time or interest in exposing Thaksin or PTP or anything else in Thailand that affects both Thais themselves or expats in Thailand.

We instead find out that Putin has given Assange his own talk show on RT, which is a state funded broadcaster in Russia, and that Putin and Assange together arranged with Beijing Snowden's flight to Moscow after Beijing ordered Snowden evicted from Hong Kong.

Everything we're finding out about Snowden, Putin, Wikileaks doesn't pass the smell test.

Paradorn Pattanatabutr's self-embarrassing statements smell to the high heavens, as I suspect we'll find out once Wikileaks publishes everything about the XKeyscore operation.

[slipperylobster]

Still feel Snowden is a hero. The US " intelligence" agencies are completely out

of control, his revelations of what the cockroaches are doing in the dark corner of

the room is amazing. Any intelligent person always sort of knew the government was

keeping track of what we do, it was just nobody knew the incredible scope of it.

Every phone call ? Every message? Every internet keystroke? The mind boggles...

This is contrary to everything America was built on. Think of the motto of the

13 colonies. "Don't tread on me ". Meaning to get government off the backs of

the people. Now the government is stomping on us. In the name of this silly anti terror nonsense, our rights are being thrown out the window. And now with these latest revelations, not only America but the rest of world is being tracked as well.

On behalf of America, I apologize....

No apologies required. Gathering information abroad (even secretly) has been modus operandi in just about every western/eastern country of the modern world. England was best at it, then came the USA, Canada, New Zealand and Australia. Its been happening longer than I have been alive...lol....and I am a mere 58. Everyone thinks this is some kind of new revelation? Internet Security is basically a joke, plenty of non government hackers (Anonymous for one), Independant Hackers, Governments, and possible even your neighbors have be syphoning off information for years. Read some Tom Clancy stuff, its not all fiction.

and hacking is illegal right - something u dispute on another thread!

No argument about legal/illegal from me. Simply that it is being done. Its being done because its not secure. Really not hard to understand why. Tons of information, credit card number, shopping habits, Identity theft...and of course, government eavesdropping. Who does not know of this??

[slipperylobster]

In any case, lets just figure that any one of the "Five Eyes" has an area of responsibility. On paper, I believe Australia is responsible for this area of the world. They should be duking it out with the NSA, but I kind of think its a mutual agreement. Do not forget, you do not have to have a physical machine hooked up to a server in Bangkok. Servers are connected globally, and probably go through a Satellite (microwave transmission) before dot A onnects to dot B. The Red dots on the map in the newspaper supposedly represents NSA servers, it would be more appropriate to say that those servers pass information which is eventually syphoned off by any one of the Five Eye Countries. Its not a unilateral thing at all. All information is shared by the Five Eyes and, of course, they are immensely interest in your searches for "cute cat videos" and cheap headphones. Are Thailand laws broken if a server in Thailand passes signals to a Satellite owned by one of the participating network of Aus,NS,UK,USA or Canadian Monitoring stations.???

[drdoom6996]

SSDD Same S#*t different day. Like the three monkeys, See nothing, hear nothing, say nothing.

In Thailand there is a fourth monkey "do nothing".

[tonneke breda]

Thai government doesn't know what they are doing, so why would they know what the Yanks are doing??

[Scott]

Several off-topic, troll posts have been deleted. This thread is about Thai servers being used for keyscore. Continued off-topic posts will be deleted without further warning.

[Scott]

This thread is not about Human rights, it's about the use of Thai servers and the NSC chief's denial. Commentary about some countries might include a number of observations which are not directly related to the topic, but please make sure those comments do not become the focus of the post, otherwise it will be deleted.

The topic might be rather broad, but please try to make your post relevant to the topic of the thread.

[SinglePot]

Back to topic. The NSC chief probably has as much idea about NSA activity as the Thai chairman of the discussions with other ASEAN countries has about China's intentions in the South China Sea.

Don't blame me if this thread deteriorates into a Thai bash.

The possibility exists that the NSC is being economical with the truth.

Either way, up to you.

[SinglePot]

There remains another possibility and that is the XKeyscore slide deck contains errors or is fictitious and the NSC chief's denials are perfectly honest.

Up to you Sherlock.

[SinglePot]

yep. congress knows, Putin knows, Xi Jinping knows, Al Qaeda knows.

The question is does the chief of the Thai NSC know.

[jbrain]

I would imagine that there is a NSA server in each and every country that hosts a Google server.

[wealth]

I would imagine that there is a NSA server in each and every country that hosts a Google server.

here some informative links http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/657976-american-spy-program-uses-thai-servers/page-6#entry6684390 yes, Thailand is on the list too

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies have been removed. Please be civil.

[Scott]

This topic is about Thailand. Due to a complaint by a poster, the topic has been cleaned up and further off-topic posts will be deleted.

[slipperylobster]

Anyway, nice to know Thailand is not aware of any "wrong doings" as far as NSA and Thailand's servers are involved. Nice to have friends...

[SinglePot]

Has anybody in Thailand changed their Internet behaviour since Snowden and this XKeyscore thing were thrust upon us?

Come to that, has anybody changed their Internet behaviour in the US..................................?

Apart from increasing their social media posting I mean.

[simple1]

Edward Snowden's revelation of the XKeyscore program, which is a legal foreign intelligence gathering program, reveals how Snowden went far beyond stealing NSA domestic surveillance activities.

Snowden has stolen far reaching US intelligence gathering information worldwide, globally. Snowden is not interested in only the privacy of US citizens in the United States. The privacy of US citizens in the United States may in fact be of little interest to Snowden.

Snowden has systematically stolen voluminous information and documents which are vital to the global national security interests of the United States, on a global scale. Why Snowden took those particular documents in in the thousands raises questions about Snowden's real purposes and designs.

Snowden first when to the CCP-PRC with the volumes of highly classified global national security information affecting the United States. Then Snowden went to Moscow, where Russian agents also have been milking him for information.

Snowden has revealed US global national security information to the leftist Guardian newspaper, where he deals with an anti-American journalist, Glenn Greenwald. Snowden has accepted asylum offered by several leftist governments of Latin America.

We've discovered that Wikileaks and its founder Julian Assange and Vladimir Putin are bedfellows in a strange alliance that makes Wikileaks an arm of Putin's domestic and foreign policy agendas.

Wikileaks will publish everything Snowden has, to include what Thailand officials may know or be doing in the XKeyscore program.

Wikileaks however has never published any expose' of Beijing's cyber espionage or cyber theft, or of Moscow's international espionage or shadowy activities. There's been no expose' by Wikileaks of al Qaeda and its activities, leaders, organization.

Wikileaks has no time or interest in exposing Thaksin or PTP or anything else in Thailand that affects both Thais themselves or expats in Thailand.

We instead find out that Putin has given Assange his own talk show on RT, which is a state funded broadcaster in Russia, and that Putin and Assange together arranged with Beijing Snowden's flight to Moscow after Beijing ordered Snowden evicted from Hong Kong.

Everything we're finding out about Snowden, Putin, Wikileaks doesn't pass the smell test.

Paradorn Pattanatabutr's self-embarrassing statements smell to the high heavens, as I suspect we'll find out once Wikileaks publishes everything about the XKeyscore operation.

The program may be legal under US law, but definitely illegal in many target surveilled countries. Don't understand your claim about Wikileaks not disclosing anything about Thais or expats in Thailand as previously the organisation had published cable content about both subjects that caused considerable discomfort

Edited August 7, 2013 by simple1

[OldOne]

I think someone's nose is growing a bit long. Check out these two url's.

http://cryptome.org/2013/08/nsa-x-keyscore-servers.htm

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/743244-xkeyscore-slidedeck.html

[Publicus]

Edward Snowden's revelation of the XKeyscore program, which is a legal foreign intelligence gathering program, reveals how Snowden went far beyond stealing NSA domestic surveillance activities.

Snowden has stolen far reaching US intelligence gathering information worldwide, globally. Snowden is not interested in only the privacy of US citizens in the United States. The privacy of US citizens in the United States may in fact be of little interest to Snowden.

Snowden has systematically stolen voluminous information and documents which are vital to the global national security interests of the United States, on a global scale. Why Snowden took those particular documents in in the thousands raises questions about Snowden's real purposes and designs.

Snowden first when to the CCP-PRC with the volumes of highly classified global national security information affecting the United States. Then Snowden went to Moscow, where Russian agents also have been milking him for information.

Snowden has revealed US global national security information to the leftist Guardian newspaper, where he deals with an anti-American journalist, Glenn Greenwald. Snowden has accepted asylum offered by several leftist governments of Latin America.

We've discovered that Wikileaks and its founder Julian Assange and Vladimir Putin are bedfellows in a strange alliance that makes Wikileaks an arm of Putin's domestic and foreign policy agendas.

Wikileaks will publish everything Snowden has, to include what Thailand officials may know or be doing in the XKeyscore program.

Wikileaks however has never published any expose' of Beijing's cyber espionage or cyber theft, or of Moscow's international espionage or shadowy activities. There's been no expose' by Wikileaks of al Qaeda and its activities, leaders, organization.

Wikileaks has no time or interest in exposing Thaksin or PTP or anything else in Thailand that affects both Thais themselves or expats in Thailand.

We instead find out that Putin has given Assange his own talk show on RT, which is a state funded broadcaster in Russia, and that Putin and Assange together arranged with Beijing Snowden's flight to Moscow after Beijing ordered Snowden evicted from Hong Kong.

Everything we're finding out about Snowden, Putin, Wikileaks doesn't pass the smell test.

Paradorn Pattanatabutr's self-embarrassing statements smell to the high heavens, as I suspect we'll find out once Wikileaks publishes everything about the XKeyscore operation.

The program may be legal under US law, but definitely illegal in many target surveilled countries. Don't understand your claim about Wikileaks not disclosing anything about Thais or expats in Thailand as previously the organisation had published cable content about both subjects that caused considerable discomfort

How much of the Bradley Manning supplied materials did Wikileaks publish that embarrassed or exposed Moscow or Beijing per se?

The USA was the focus of the work of Manning and Assange while other governments were impacted mostly in secondary ways.