Open letter of Thai Democrat Party to foreign diplomats

[OzMick]

Dear Democrat party,

.... you have illegally taken over Suvarnabumi airport a couple of years ago, and the affected parties haven't gotten their rightful compensation paid yet. So how dare you speak about Human rights,

<snip for brevity>

At the risk of being boring, that was five years ago (not "a couple"), and it was the PAD (not the Democrat Party), so actually someone totally different.

Just trying to keep the facts straight.

If you are trying to keep the facts straight it's probably best not to suggest the PAD and the Democrat Party were "totally different".They were not, indeed were inextricably linked in terms of objectives and policy.After the PAD seized the prime ministers office they were visited by both Korn and Abhisit.Korn wrote that the demonstrators were "pure in their beliefs" and called their actions "the seeds of true democracy". Abhisit's foreign minister, Kasit, spoke on the PAD stage after the seizure of Suvarnabhumi Airport where he said the economic damage from the airport closure was "Thaksin's and the government's fault".Both Anand Panyarachun and Abhisit attended the funeral of a PAD terrorist Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri who had blown himself up transporting a bomb to the offices of Chat Thai.After the Democrat Party gained power it began to distance itself from the PAD.The links are beginning to strengthen again now with the Democrat Party increasingly dependent on street activity given there is little chance the Thai people will elect them to power.

If "totally different" is inaccurate, "inextricably linked" is even more so when describing two political groups which happened to share a political goal at one time. Despite your clutching at straws of evidence, there is ample evidence that they have quite different views on many subjects, and have acted contrary to the other's interest. Of course that makes it harder to put them in the same little labelled boxes.

BTW As I recall, there was evidence given at the time that Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri was transporting a box of ping-pong bombs which exploded, killing him. AFAIK there is no evidence of anyone other than him killed by explosive devices or rounds set/fired by the PAD.

[rijb]

Dear Democrat party,

.... you have illegally taken over Suvarnabumi airport a couple of years ago, and the affected parties haven't gotten their rightful compensation paid yet. So how dare you speak about Human rights, especially while you yourselves aren't so much different than any anti government party. You have outplayed and betrayed-shot yourselves in the foot, and played right into Thaksin's hands, who have learned from your mistakes, and making those work against you, but not only against you, but AGAINST the entire nation of Thailand, leading to even more drastic censorship and nanny state control... dear democrats you don't have any chance anymore in hell to win another elections, and you're sacred Bangkok ONLY Bangkok will soon belong to your opposition, and then it's game over for you, but not only for you,... but for entire Nation of Thailand and the next thing comes civil revolution.... with million kachillians of blood shed....

no matter if you win, then it's the other way around, the Pheu Thai brainwashed will be the Anti-government party and try to storm into your parliament, and this feudal fate will NEVER stop....

Good morning Thailand

when did the Democrat party take over any airport???????

Didn't they do it under PAD supervision?

[chuang]

Dear Democrat party,

.... you have illegally taken over Suvarnabumi airport a couple of years ago, and the affected parties haven't gotten their rightful compensation paid yet. So how dare you speak about Human rights, especially while you yourselves aren't so much different than any anti government party. You have outplayed and betrayed-shot yourselves in the foot, and played right into Thaksin's hands, who have learned from your mistakes, and making those work against you, but not only against you, but AGAINST the entire nation of Thailand, leading to even more drastic censorship and nanny state control... dear democrats you don't have any chance anymore in hell to win another elections, and you're sacred Bangkok ONLY Bangkok will soon belong to your opposition, and then it's game over for you, but not only for you,... but for entire Nation of Thailand and the next thing comes civil revolution.... with million kachillians of blood shed....

no matter if you win, then it's the other way around, the Pheu Thai brainwashed will be the Anti-government party and try to storm into your parliament, and this feudal fate will NEVER stop....

Good morning Thailand

Your post though accurate in the tit for tat politics that seems to be the norm in this country, is completely inaccurate on the group that took over Suvabhumi airport. PAD does not represent the democratic party. Although the two have just recently aligned in a common cause, it was PAD not supporting the Dems in the last election that partly help the (Pardon Thaskin Party) win the last election. Less not forget vote buying and promises that no one (Thais) really understood. I think we all should wait and see how this will play out in the emerging global structure of the Asean community.

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that the Pad and Dems were sleeping together and there still are....

[jayboy]

Dear Democrat party,

.... you have illegally taken over Suvarnabumi airport a couple of years ago, and the affected parties haven't gotten their rightful compensation paid yet. So how dare you speak about Human rights,

<snip for brevity>

At the risk of being boring, that was five years ago (not "a couple"), and it was the PAD (not the Democrat Party), so actually someone totally different.

Just trying to keep the facts straight.

If you are trying to keep the facts straight it's probably best not to suggest the PAD and the Democrat Party were "totally different".They were not, indeed were inextricably linked in terms of objectives and policy.After the PAD seized the prime ministers office they were visited by both Korn and Abhisit.Korn wrote that the demonstrators were "pure in their beliefs" and called their actions "the seeds of true democracy". Abhisit's foreign minister, Kasit, spoke on the PAD stage after the seizure of Suvarnabhumi Airport where he said the economic damage from the airport closure was "Thaksin's and the government's fault".Both Anand Panyarachun and Abhisit attended the funeral of a PAD terrorist Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri who had blown himself up transporting a bomb to the offices of Chat Thai.After the Democrat Party gained power it began to distance itself from the PAD.The links are beginning to strengthen again now with the Democrat Party increasingly dependent on street activity given there is little chance the Thai people will elect them to power.

If "totally different" is inaccurate, "inextricably linked" is even more so when describing two political groups which happened to share a political goal at one time. Despite your clutching at straws of evidence, there is ample evidence that they have quite different views on many subjects, and have acted contrary to the other's interest. Of course that makes it harder to put them in the same little labelled boxes.

BTW As I recall, there was evidence given at the time that Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri was transporting a box of ping-pong bombs which exploded, killing him. AFAIK there is no evidence of anyone other than him killed by explosive devices or rounds set/fired by the PAD.

Sometimes it's hard when the usual suspects are so stunningly dense.My post made it crystal clear the reference to the PAD/Democrat Party nexus was in the past tense and the relationship evolved for the worse, particularly once the Democrats achieved power.Actually I would also acknowledge at the outset there were many decent citzens that joined up with PAD for the best of motives including a revulsion at Thaksin's meglomania.The PAD leadership was however almost from the beginning a scummy and hypocritical set of individuals - fascist, racist and corrupt in some cases.Reverting to the now poor PAD/Democrat Partry relationship I have now doubt they will hook up again if it suits Abhisit's purposes given as noted earlier there is no hope of the Democrats ever winning an election under his tainted leadership.

P.S Interesting to see Chris Baker's review of Abhisit's revisionist version of the 2010 events in the other paper today.I commend it.

P.P.S I have no details of how PAD terrorist bomb makers blew themselves up, nor is it particularly relevant - though one is thankful they made mince of themselves (to borrow Billy Connolly's expression) rather trhan innocent people.

Edited August 19, 2013 by jayboy

[ramrod711]

I wish people would stop saying that the Democratic party came to power after a coup that they started. The coup came about because of Thaksins sale of Shincorp to a foreign company with no tax paid by Thaksin. There was a military government, then there was an election won by Samak and whatever party ( i think it was TRT ) that was serving as Thaksins lap dogs at the time. That party was found to have contravened several election laws and another election was held. Thaksins brother in law Somchai became PM, after the courts tossed them out for election irregularities a coalition was formed and the Democrats became the legal government. If you think it's accurate to say that a party became government as a result of a coup when there was three other governments in the interval, i can't understand your process. As for the coalition government being legal, if you recall Thaksins first government was a coalition, they were just short of a majority after the election.

[OzMick]

If you are trying to keep the facts straight it's probably best not to suggest the PAD and the Democrat Party were "totally different".They were not, indeed were inextricably linked in terms of objectives and policy.After the PAD seized the prime ministers office they were visited by both Korn and Abhisit.Korn wrote that the demonstrators were "pure in their beliefs" and called their actions "the seeds of true democracy". Abhisit's foreign minister, Kasit, spoke on the PAD stage after the seizure of Suvarnabhumi Airport where he said the economic damage from the airport closure was "Thaksin's and the government's fault".Both Anand Panyarachun and Abhisit attended the funeral of a PAD terrorist Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri who had blown himself up transporting a bomb to the offices of Chat Thai.After the Democrat Party gained power it began to distance itself from the PAD.The links are beginning to strengthen again now with the Democrat Party increasingly dependent on street activity given there is little chance the Thai people will elect them to power.

If "totally different" is inaccurate, "inextricably linked" is even more so when describing two political groups which happened to share a political goal at one time. Despite your clutching at straws of evidence, there is ample evidence that they have quite different views on many subjects, and have acted contrary to the other's interest. Of course that makes it harder to put them in the same little labelled boxes.

BTW As I recall, there was evidence given at the time that Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri was transporting a box of ping-pong bombs which exploded, killing him. AFAIK there is no evidence of anyone other than him killed by explosive devices or rounds set/fired by the PAD.

Sometimes it's hard when the usual suspects are so stunningly dense.My post made it crystal clear the reference to the PAD/Democrat Party nexus was in the past tense and the relationship evolved for the worse, particularly once the Democrats achieved power.Actually I would also acknowledge at the outset there were many decent citzens that joined up with PAD for the best of motives including a revulsion at Thaksin's meglomania.The PAD leadership was however almost from the beginning a scummy and hypocritical set of individuals - fascist, racist and corrupt in some cases.Reverting to the now poor PAD/Democrat Partry relationship I have now doubt they will hook up again if it suits Abhisit's purposes given as noted earlier there is no hope of the Democrats ever winning an election under his tainted leadership.

P.S Interesting to see Chris Baker's review of Abhisit's revisionist version of the 2010 events in the other paper today.I commend it.

P.P.S I have no details of how PAD terrorist bomb makers blew themselves up, nor is it particularly relevant - though one is thankful they made mince of themselves (to borrow Billy Connolly's expression) rather trhan innocent people.

Obviously "inextricably linked" means something to you other than its normal meaning.

[mrtoad]

I wrote the above - do you think I was writing on behalf of someone else?

Yes,Quite possibly a former member

[Gomyway]

Does this help Thailand?

The answer is NO and at least this is just one more puzzle like the FinMin fighting against the BoT's governor and that the foreign companies and that means also the governments already know what's going on we could read here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/659769-foreign-investors-highly-concerned-over-thailands-political-tension/

[tonneke breda]

Dear Democrat party,

.... you have illegally taken over Suvarnabumi airport a couple of years ago, and the affected parties haven't gotten their rightful compensation paid yet. So how dare you speak about Human rights, especially while you yourselves aren't so much different than any anti government party. You have outplayed and betrayed-shot yourselves in the foot, and played right into Thaksin's hands, who have learned from your mistakes, and making those work against you, but not only against you, but AGAINST the entire nation of Thailand, leading to even more drastic censorship and nanny state control... dear democrats you don't have any chance anymore in hell to win another elections, and you're sacred Bangkok ONLY Bangkok will soon belong to your opposition, and then it's game over for you, but not only for you,... but for entire Nation of Thailand and the next thing comes civil revolution.... with million kachillians of blood shed....

no matter if you win, then it's the other way around, the Pheu Thai brainwashed will be the Anti-government party and try to storm into your parliament, and this feudal fate will NEVER stop....

Good morning Thailand

hohohoho, hold your horses, you're accusing the Democrats of seizing the airports, I was there, from minute 1, and in the decision to take the airport there was no influence of the democrats involved.

Get you facts straight before you start blaming the wrong ones!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jabek]

Dear Democrat party,

.... you have illegally taken over Suvarnabumi airport a couple of years ago, and the affected parties haven't gotten their rightful compensation paid yet. So how dare you speak about Human rights,

<snip for brevity>

At the risk of being boring, that was five years ago (not "a couple"), and it was the PAD (not the Democrat Party), so actually someone totally different.

Just trying to keep the facts straight.

If you are trying to keep the facts straight it's probably best not to suggest the PAD and the Democrat Party were "totally different".They were not, indeed were inextricably linked in terms of objectives and policy.After the PAD seized the prime ministers office they were visited by both Korn and Abhisit.Korn wrote that the demonstrators were "pure in their beliefs" and called their actions "the seeds of true democracy". Abhisit's foreign minister, Kasit, spoke on the PAD stage after the seizure of Suvarnabhumi Airport where he said the economic damage from the airport closure was "Thaksin's and the government's fault".Both Anand Panyarachun and Abhisit attended the funeral of a PAD terrorist Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri who had blown himself up transporting a bomb to the offices of Chat Thai.After the Democrat Party gained power it began to distance itself from the PAD.The links are beginning to strengthen again now with the Democrat Party increasingly dependent on street activity given there is little chance the Thai people will elect them to power.

If "totally different" is inaccurate, "inextricably linked" is even more so when describing two political groups which happened to share a political goal at one time. Despite your clutching at straws of evidence, there is ample evidence that they have quite different views on many subjects, and have acted contrary to the other's interest. Of course that makes it harder to put them in the same little labelled boxes.

BTW As I recall, there was evidence given at the time that Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri was transporting a box of ping-pong bombs which exploded, killing him. AFAIK there is no evidence of anyone other than him killed by explosive devices or rounds set/fired by the PAD.

Oh, that's all right then no one but himself was blown up by his car bomb full of ping pong balls that did hardly any damage to the car

It was only a lickle ping pong ball bomb, honest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LyCxx05xpMA

The above jpeg and video can also be viewed on the amusingly named (mysterious?!!)

http://pad.vfly.net/en/437/mysterious-jeep-cherokee-bombing-october-7-youtube/

Don't you think it just a tad curious that Abhisit would attend the funeral of a PAD Bomber?

Edited August 19, 2013 by jabek

[h90]

Dear Democrat party,

.... you have illegally taken over Suvarnabumi airport a couple of years ago, and the affected parties haven't gotten their rightful compensation paid yet. So how dare you speak about Human rights, especially while you yourselves aren't so much different than any anti government party. You have outplayed and betrayed-shot yourselves in the foot, and played right into Thaksin's hands, who have learned from your mistakes, and making those work against you, but not only against you, but AGAINST the entire nation of Thailand, leading to even more drastic censorship and nanny state control... dear democrats you don't have any chance anymore in hell to win another elections, and you're sacred Bangkok ONLY Bangkok will soon belong to your opposition, and then it's game over for you, but not only for you,... but for entire Nation of Thailand and the next thing comes civil revolution.... with million kachillians of blood shed....

no matter if you win, then it's the other way around, the Pheu Thai brainwashed will be the Anti-government party and try to storm into your parliament, and this feudal fate will NEVER stop....

Good morning Thailand

when did the Democrat party take over any airport???????

Didn't they do it under PAD supervision?

no. PAD and Democrats are not the same. There isn't much love between them.

PAD told at the last election to DON'T vote for the Democrats as all the parties are the same (calling them animals).

A couple of days ago the PAD called the Democrats cockroaches.

The only similar thing is that they hate Thaksin. In the moment the Dems would be in government they would be enemies again.

No question that you will find a PAD demonstration against Thaksin a lot Democrats.

[grantbkk]

What a load! Nice "hail Mary" by the Democratic Party. IMHO it's great they are looking out for the families of the victims they assassinated. They will never be back in power unless the is another one of those thingies the military usually does.

What a boring, meaningless collection of sentences that will probably miss their intended target audience. Perhaps they could find a list of official Governments on the Internet?

[animatic]

How embarrassing for the Dems to have to do this....

Why is it embarrassing for the Dems?

It is not, but some parties want you to think so.

It has long been clear that misperceptions are rampant, and double speak the order of the day. And of course double sided code words, that mean one thing external and another in Thailand are being passed about willy nillyThis lays the Dems opinions out in Black and white before all Ambassadors to see.

If they are not right to do this, then the dog and pony show the PTP plans for Sept. is even less appropriate. Trying to get foreign personages to back their play, while likely NOT fully understanding the nuances in thailand coded verbiage being passed under their noses at the conference tables, is pretty shady. Best that those coming to the party are fully informed at how the government is trying to use them.

Edited August 19, 2013 by animatic

[Roadman]

What a load! Nice "hail Mary" by the Democratic Party. IMHO it's great they are looking out for the families of the victims they assassinated. They will never be back in power unless the is another one of those thingies the military usually does.

What a boring, meaningless collection of sentences that will probably miss their intended target audience. Perhaps they could find a list of official Governments on the Internet?

Strange but they were not back in power after the last one of those thingies the military usually does - there were another two equally corrupt Thaksin parties after that thingie before they had their turn at the trough. But spin away.

[grantbkk]

What a load! Nice "hail Mary" by the Democratic Party. IMHO it's great they are looking out for the families of the victims they assassinated. They will never be back in power unless the is another one of those thingies the military usually does.

What a boring, meaningless collection of sentences that will probably miss their intended target audience. Perhaps they could find a list of official Governments on the Internet?

Strange but they were not back in power after the last one of those thingies the military usually does - there were another two equally corrupt Thaksin parties after that thingie before they had their turn at the trough. But spin away.

I did not indicate that is how they were put into power last time only that is what it will take next time. We are chatting about petulant children who do not look put for the interest of all Thais.

[khunken]

What a load! Nice "hail Mary" by the Democratic Party. IMHO it's great they are looking out for the families of the victims they assassinated. They will never be back in power unless the is another one of those thingies the military usually does.

What a boring, meaningless collection of sentences that will probably miss their intended target audience. Perhaps they could find a list of official Governments on the Internet?

Strange but they were not back in power after the last one of those thingies the military usually does - there were another two equally corrupt Thaksin parties after that thingie before they had their turn at the trough. But spin away.

I did not indicate that is how they were put into power last time only that is what it will take next time. We are chatting about petulant children who do not look put for the interest of all Thais.

'Petulant children who do not look out for the interest of all Thais' describes exactly the PTP 'reform' circus and amnesty for the dear leader.

Given that PTP via Surapong are hell bent on 'advising' various international bodies & individuals, it is incumbant upon the opposition to express their view that the whole 'reconciliation' business is worse than insincere - it is a lie.

I don't claim the Democrats are perfect but there are some geniuses on this thread who seem to think that they are not allowed an opinion. Just like those on Line or Facebook who are not allowed to express their opinion.

[OzMick]

If you are trying to keep the facts straight it's probably best not to suggest the PAD and the Democrat Party were "totally different".They were not, indeed were inextricably linked in terms of objectives and policy.After the PAD seized the prime ministers office they were visited by both Korn and Abhisit.Korn wrote that the demonstrators were "pure in their beliefs" and called their actions "the seeds of true democracy". Abhisit's foreign minister, Kasit, spoke on the PAD stage after the seizure of Suvarnabhumi Airport where he said the economic damage from the airport closure was "Thaksin's and the government's fault".Both Anand Panyarachun and Abhisit attended the funeral of a PAD terrorist Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri who had blown himself up transporting a bomb to the offices of Chat Thai.After the Democrat Party gained power it began to distance itself from the PAD.The links are beginning to strengthen again now with the Democrat Party increasingly dependent on street activity given there is little chance the Thai people will elect them to power.

If "totally different" is inaccurate, "inextricably linked" is even more so when describing two political groups which happened to share a political goal at one time. Despite your clutching at straws of evidence, there is ample evidence that they have quite different views on many subjects, and have acted contrary to the other's interest. Of course that makes it harder to put them in the same little labelled boxes.

BTW As I recall, there was evidence given at the time that Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri was transporting a box of ping-pong bombs which exploded, killing him. AFAIK there is no evidence of anyone other than him killed by explosive devices or rounds set/fired by the PAD.

Oh, that's all right then no one but himself was blown up by his car bomb full of ping pong balls that did hardly any damage to the car

It was only a lickle ping pong ball bomb, honest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LyCxx05xpMA

The above jpeg and video can also be viewed on the amusingly named (mysterious?!!)

http://pad.vfly.net/en/437/mysterious-jeep-cherokee-bombing-october-7-youtube/

Don't you think it just a tad curious that Abhisit would attend the funeral of a PAD Bomber?

My statement said a box of ping-pong bombs, and the picture you supplied indicates there was not a great deal of explosives involved. My point was that other than this there is no evidence that PAD were planting bombs, or that he was "transporting a bomb to the offices of Chart Thai" which was later extended to him being a "terrorist bomber" by the same writer.

[jayboy]

If "totally different" is inaccurate, "inextricably linked" is even more so when describing two political groups which happened to share a political goal at one time. Despite your clutching at straws of evidence, there is ample evidence that they have quite different views on many subjects, and have acted contrary to the other's interest. Of course that makes it harder to put them in the same little labelled boxes.

BTW As I recall, there was evidence given at the time that Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri was transporting a box of ping-pong bombs which exploded, killing him. AFAIK there is no evidence of anyone other than him killed by explosive devices or rounds set/fired by the PAD.

Oh, that's all right then no one but himself was blown up by his car bomb full of ping pong balls that did hardly any damage to the car

It was only a lickle ping pong ball bomb, honest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LyCxx05xpMA

The above jpeg and video can also be viewed on the amusingly named (mysterious?!!)

http://pad.vfly.net/en/437/mysterious-jeep-cherokee-bombing-october-7-youtube/

Don't you think it just a tad curious that Abhisit would attend the funeral of a PAD Bomber?

My statement said a box of ping-pong bombs, and the picture you supplied indicates there was not a great deal of explosives involved. My point was that other than this there is no evidence that PAD were planting bombs, or that he was "transporting a bomb to the offices of Chart Thai" which was later extended to him being a "terrorist bomber" by the same writer.

Oh what a tangled web we weave

When first we practise to deceive.

[maxme]

Oh no, the PAD and the Democrats had nothing in common. Come to think of it, wasn't one of the minister former PAD, put in position AFTER the ousted Thaksin or am I wrong?

What went wrong with the relationship between PAD and the democrats was that the promises the Democrats had given the PAD, didn't see the light of day once the Dems came to power. After that, they cut the ties with their political vanguard and denied any association with them.

Maybe that was the reason the PAD stopped liking the Democrats. C' est la vie...

[Siripon]

Did I not read recently that PT held a meeting of foreign diplomats and ambassadors to explain their view on the same issue?

Sure I did, and if that is the case then what is so wrong with the opposition also explaining their position?

A very good point Robby.

I do hope all the participants at the the international forum get to watch the red shirt videos of the red shirt leaders Arisman urging the burning of Bangkok, Jatuporn implying looting was okay and Nattawut saying he will burn the whole country.

Clip 3 (Arisman Pongruangrong): If you know that there will be security operation, all of you do not have to prepare much. Each of you, take a bottle with you and later fill it with gasoline. Each of you will fill 75 cc or one litre of gasoline per bottle. If we have one million people, we will have one million litre of gasoline. I am sure Bangkok will become a sea of fire. This is a simple method of the Red Shirts to tell the military that, if you hurt Red Shirts even one drop of blood, Bangkok will turn into a sea of fire at once. In other provinces, Jatuporn already told you that you should not wait for news. If there is anything in Bangkok, converge at provincial halls and raze them to the ground.

Clip 4 (Veera Musikapong): They thought the people will be afraid and will go home. Yes, it is possible for the people to go home. But every inch of Thailand will be engulfed in flame.

Clip 5 (Nattawut Saikua): If you seize power, we will burn the whole country. Burn, fellow Red Shirts. Burn. I will take sole responsibility. If they want to arrest anyone, come and arrest me. If you seize power, burn.

Clip 6 (Nattawut Saikua): Red Shirt people are easily startled. If they start shooting, Red Shirt people will run into Gaysorn Plaza, Central World, Paragon and nearby hotels. There would be many ways that would happen when Red Shirt people are startled and in a state of panic. Some will run to get brand name bags. Some will run into jewelry stores. Some will drive into department stores. Some will just light up the fire.

[Somtamnication]

" We, the Democrat Party, adhering to the rule of law principle and peaceful settlement of conflicts, are eager and determined to see peace, stability and normalcy return to Thai society."

What should have been written: "We, the Democrat Party, adhering to mob principles and enjoyment of closing two international airports, are eager to do so again, to get that lady away from Thai society".

[OzMick]

If "totally different" is inaccurate, "inextricably linked" is even more so when describing two political groups which happened to share a political goal at one time. Despite your clutching at straws of evidence, there is ample evidence that they have quite different views on many subjects, and have acted contrary to the other's interest. Of course that makes it harder to put them in the same little labelled boxes.

BTW As I recall, there was evidence given at the time that Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri was transporting a box of ping-pong bombs which exploded, killing him. AFAIK there is no evidence of anyone other than him killed by explosive devices or rounds set/fired by the PAD.

Oh, that's all right then no one but himself was blown up by his car bomb full of ping pong balls that did hardly any damage to the car

It was only a lickle ping pong ball bomb, honest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LyCxx05xpMA

The above jpeg and video can also be viewed on the amusingly named (mysterious?!!)

http://pad.vfly.net/en/437/mysterious-jeep-cherokee-bombing-october-7-youtube/

Don't you think it just a tad curious that Abhisit would attend the funeral of a PAD Bomber?

My statement said a box of ping-pong bombs, and the picture you supplied indicates there was not a great deal of explosives involved. My point was that other than this there is no evidence that PAD were planting bombs, or that he was "transporting a bomb to the offices of Chart Thai" which was later extended to him being a "terrorist bomber" by the same writer.

Oh what a tangled web we weave

When first we practise to deceive.

Would that be inextricably?

[Robby nz]

I see the reds have managed to divert this topic away from the Democrats letter in reply to what PT have already told the ambassadors and diplomats at the meeting they called.

I went back and re-read the letter to try to get some understanding with what the red supporters see wrong and I see nothing in there that is not the truth.

That there is no mention of the airport shutdown or coup is probably because in the context of the amnesty bill there is really no need, as those involved have said they do not want the bills.

I see we have the usual : Dems military installed Govt............... and in other topics : 90 peaceful protesters slaughtered in the brutal crackdown...................... Abhist and Suthep murdered..................................

Surely those who post these things know they are not true. they have been told often enough yet they keep posting what looks like the same copy and paste.

What really worries me is that there are red schools out there which are without a doubt teaching these things to kids which is only going to carry on the hate that these kind of statements produce into future generations.

These same people talk of reconciliation, surely this can never happen when they are instilling hate for others into their children.

The Dems are far from perfect but do they have special schools where they teach their version of events to children, Dem villages for only their supporters?

[davidstipek]

OPEN LETTER TO BOTH PARTIES

Just trying to get thinks straight...

As People are trying to connect the wrong "Thai's"

Was it not the PAD who took control of the Airport? Right or wrong?

At this point they were not part of the Democratic Party, Correct?

Also was it not 2007-8 when this took place?

I wish as the song said "I've got a couple moe years on ya... Babe!" But at this point the time had expired to where you were Born and I would already be in school! Not just a couple....

I agree with the Prime Ministers speech on "Free Speech..." But you have to try the Underwear on, before you can dirty it... Yes, her words are free she is saying see I can say what ever I want.... But Thailand.. This does not apply to you! If you choose to copy me..

You will go to:

1: Prison

2: Be Deported

3: You will be:

A: Shot

B: Beheaded

C: Acused of being a Spy/Traitor

(Example: Googles Earths Map Mapping Car)

The World over Democrat's were and are fighting for the rights of the Common People. A fresh start for the Democratic Party would be to adopt this Principle. I am not worried about my life or what is left of it, I have done things beyond my Wildest Dreams. I had the best Job I could have ever asked for, The best in 3 words... Partner, Best Friend, Wife! That anyone could have asked for, anywhere! 3 Beautiful (Drop-Dead Gorgous) Daughters who are now grown. My wife and I have done our Job.

So if I die tomorrow my only request would be to see Thailand "Grow Up". They are in the bigger picture now, don't just smile and say a few words and when you leave... "Forget Them". I believe these words can happen. Use them, don't just raise a threat to Sue or Use Injury. Words are an honest form of Communication. If Our Goverment can learn to use then without any Injury or Recourse... Everyone try it! Yes it it true most Adjectives are deflamitory... but they ae expressions! Listen to them and their Usage. Without words we would still be in the Stone Age. Believe me, You or I don't want to return to that place in Time.

Just learn to use this freedom, Words... act Upon them, use them, Benifit from them... Then and only then will you enjoy the Rewards Reaped from them.

Then and only then will my Family know in their Hearts that I am at Peace.....

Edited August 19, 2013 by davidstipek

[Skywalker69]

Did I not read recently that PT held a meeting of foreign diplomats and ambassadors to explain their view on the same issue?

Sure I did, and if that is the case then what is so wrong with the opposition also explaining their position?

It´s the dubble standard. Reds can, democrats can´t.

[siampolee]

Could any of our erudite posters explain to the rest of we souls who do not view the world at large or small in some cases through rose tinted glasses just how different this letter is in its comments and aims actions etc concerning the current situation compared to the three ring circus currently being sponsored by the government and its ringmaster or shall we be truthful and say their puppet master?

Free speech and democracy may both well be a shortly extinct species in Thailand, however those two species ares still alive and kicking hopefully they will rally and restore themselves to full health and the raptors will beat a retreat and hopefully expire due to a lack of prey

[jabek]

If "totally different" is inaccurate, "inextricably linked" is even more so when describing two political groups which happened to share a political goal at one time. Despite your clutching at straws of evidence, there is ample evidence that they have quite different views on many subjects, and have acted contrary to the other's interest. Of course that makes it harder to put them in the same little labelled boxes.

BTW As I recall, there was evidence given at the time that Police Lt Col Methee Chatmontri was transporting a box of ping-pong bombs which exploded, killing him. AFAIK there is no evidence of anyone other than him killed by explosive devices or rounds set/fired by the PAD.

Sometimes it's hard when the usual suspects are so stunningly dense.My post made it crystal clear the reference to the PAD/Democrat Party nexus was in the past tense and the relationship evolved for the worse, particularly once the Democrats achieved power.Actually I would also acknowledge at the outset there were many decent citzens that joined up with PAD for the best of motives including a revulsion at Thaksin's meglomania.The PAD leadership was however almost from the beginning a scummy and hypocritical set of individuals - fascist, racist and corrupt in some cases.Reverting to the now poor PAD/Democrat Partry relationship I have now doubt they will hook up again if it suits Abhisit's purposes given as noted earlier there is no hope of the Democrats ever winning an election under his tainted leadership.

P.S Interesting to see Chris Baker's review of Abhisit's revisionist version of the 2010 events in the other paper today.I commend it.

P.P.S I have no details of how PAD terrorist bomb makers blew themselves up, nor is it particularly relevant - though one is thankful they made mince of themselves (to borrow Billy Connolly's expression) rather trhan innocent people.

Thanks for the heads up about the Abhist book review. It is now available in English translation so will no doubt provide certain posters on here with many a true fact to espouse on this very forum, from the horses mouth as it were. His views on the Wat Pathum incident are truly emotional, I was lost for words.

For those who are interested it's called The Simple Truth, by Abhisit Vejjavija, available in all good bookshops now, more than likely to be found in the "Fiction" section, if not, try the remainder bin.

Edited August 19, 2013 by jabek

[gerry1011]

I was expecting something better from the Democrats.

Their letter looks like a boring Thaivisa thread...

[ramrod711]

" We, the Democrat Party, adhering to the rule of law principle and peaceful settlement of conflicts, are eager and determined to see peace, stability and normalcy return to Thai society."

What should have been written: "We, the Democrat Party, adhering to mob principles and enjoyment of closing two international airports, are eager to do so again, to get that lady away from Thai society".

I don't support the closing of the airport, but in my opinion it was quite harmless compared to the storming of government house, which i consider inexcusable. I also found it inexcusable for red shirts to storm an ASEAN conference, injuring several people and sending several world leaders scrambling for their helicopters, that did wonders for Thailands image. I wonder how many people around the world think of the black smoke over Bangkok, the attempt to not occupy an airport, but to blow up one of the aviation fuel bunkers at that airport, and all the rest of the garbage that occured at the urging of Thaksin when they think of Thailand. I suppose it did wonders for the world view of Thailand to have the former PM, a convicted crook, to offer money for thugs to bring gasoline and tires to Bangkok and burn fuel tankers in the streets. What a strange view you have regarding what is acceptable behavior.

[rijb]

Could any of our erudite posters explain to the rest of we souls who do not view the world at large or small in some cases through rose tinted glasses just how different this letter is in its comments and aims actions etc concerning the current situation compared to the three ring circus currently being sponsored by the government and its ringmaster or shall we be truthful and say their puppet master?

Free speech and democracy may both well be a shortly extinct species in Thailand, however those two species ares still alive and kicking hopefully they will rally and restore themselves to full health and the raptors will beat a retreat and hopefully expire due to a lack of prey

That's easy for you to say.