17,000 Saudis visit Thailand despite ban

[Naam]

Where else can they fill their bellies with pork and booze and ravage pretty girls of the night? Thailand!

They can afford girls and booze of any kind in there immidiate neighbouring countries, as far as pork is concerned I don't think its an attraction here in Thailand.

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why bother with utmost uneducated assumptions? i bet my [not so] sweet butt that the resident "anti Saudi brigade" has no idea about Saudi Arabia or its neighbouring countries.

[robertthebruce]

Apparently the nerve gas used on Syrian children also came from Saudi Arabia. Etc.etc.etc. theres a lot of heavy duty crime coming from that place and while I agree with the "blue diamond" post above, I think you will find there are places in SA where you could experience all those crimes that you listed happening in Bangkok, with a cherry ontop.

But obviously, countries with strict religious laws and taboos, be they sex or gambling, you will always see a mass-exodus towards countries where those taboos are rightly laughed at. Because fundamentally people accept many of the social norms out of duty (usually to their ancestors or direct family) but don't agree with them and find them difficult to live by. You can also chart globally nations where people are allowed to express themselves (in whatever way) and map them with nations that are generally happier and healthier and less violent. Is interesting.

Where are they going to go when they have converted the whole world to a Muslim belief? Maybe look back with regret and think "you know what, the West wasn't so bad after all".

Islam, as a religion, does not seek out converts aggressively unlike Catholics and Evangelists. Yet it's growing much more? Ever wondered why?

The perception of world wide conversion is to believe all Moslems are like the loony terrorists and uneducated pakistani and afghan fanatics. Most are not.

Its called being ''Brain Washed''....

[robertthebruce]

Wonder why they came here ???

wonder why people ask stupid questions?

Probably for the same reason Robert the Bruce came here.

Ouch.....

[robertthebruce]

Apparently the nerve gas used on Syrian children also came from Saudi Arabia. Etc.etc.etc. theres a lot of heavy duty crime coming from that place and while I agree with the "blue diamond" post above, I think you will find there are places in SA where you could experience all those crimes that you listed happening in Bangkok, with a cherry ontop.

But obviously, countries with strict religious laws and taboos, be they sex or gambling, you will always see a mass-exodus towards countries where those taboos are rightly laughed at. Because fundamentally people accept many of the social norms out of duty (usually to their ancestors or direct family) but don't agree with them and find them difficult to live by. You can also chart globally nations where people are allowed to express themselves (in whatever way) and map them with nations that are generally happier and healthier and less violent. Is interesting.

Where are they going to go when they have converted the whole world to a Muslim belief? Maybe look back with regret and think "you know what, the West wasn't so bad after all".

Islam, as a religion, does not seek out converts aggressively unlike Catholics and Evangelists. Yet it's growing much more? Ever wondered why?

The perception of world wide conversion is to believe all Moslems are like the loony terrorists and uneducated pakistani and afghan fanatics. Most are not.

I certainly do wonder why. As a religion/way of life it certainly has nothing to offer me. I like to socialise with women as well as men, enjoy music, the movies, a few beers and a nice glass of wine. I also believe in the equality of the sexes and humane treatment towards animals. Need I go on? Oh, and I also believe in sexual freedom.

Nice One....

[robertthebruce]

"Islam, as a religion, does not seek out converts aggressively unlike Catholics and Evangelists. Yet it's growing much more? Ever wondered why?

The perception of world wide conversion is to believe all Moslems are like the loony terrorists and uneducated pakistani and afghan fanatics. Most are not."

Firstly sorry for the method of reply, I am currently in a hotel in Bahrain for work. I have worked in a few Arab countries, Algeria, Libya, UAE, and soon Saudi Arabia.

The first thing I can think of to your comments is the word CULT!!!

The second thing is the ability to (not be able to) reason, and I am talking about technical things as well as religious here. It is all " parrot fashion", out of a book.

Take a look at the Arab states now and what turmoil there is, if it wasn't for dictators holding them in line (Gaddafi, Saddam, Mubarak...) there would be and is chaos. This is undeniable, democracy doesn't work!!! The second Ayatollah Whatever says Jihad it's all over. Look at the recent elections in Iran, if the Ayatollah said you couldn't stand for president that was it.

Why do these people always want to live in "Western" countries? Then when they do why do they want to change those countries that have accepted them for what they are to be the same as the countries they just left?

Is this a form of "fifth column"? Some countries in Europe have a staggering amount of Muslim immigrant population. Is it a 2 way street? try building a Catholic church in down town Benghazi!!!

I am not trying to go off subject here or hijack the thread but your post needed an answer.

As for people "painting" these people into a stereo type, well, why was the sewerage line on one of my rigs blocked with condoms, there were no women on the rig.....

I'll leave that one for you to work out.......

Excellent comment... with you 100 percent on that.....

[connda]

Wonder why they came here ???

They don't practice sharia law on Soi Cowboy.

[robertthebruce]

Wonder why they came here ???

wonder why people ask stupid questions?

Ok then...

Wonder if they brought their praying carpets in their luggage?

Plenty are available here in Thailand, why they have to bother?

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Maybe they are not an ''Axminster''..

[Bagwan]

It's not a serious ban or more Saudis would end up paying the penalty (if there even is one) after they arrive back home with their passports stamped 'Thailand.'

A large number of Saudis go to Thailand for medical treatment. They generally go as a family group. If the males were just looking for prostitutues, they can always go to Bahrain where the bizness caters to their specific cultural requirements.

Been to Bahrain and seen it with my own eyes, the drinking, eating bacon/pork and the womanising. All things I believe they are not allowed to do in Saudi, hence they probably fly to LOS just for a difference from Bahrain.

Oh, I've also seen them in Bahrain (drunk, loud and looking for porn). Bahrain is known to cater to their lusts for female companionship and eye candy of the voluptuous variety they so crave. If they are looking for something different, they usually head straight to Malaysia or Indonesia where their needs can be met better than in Thailand. Thailand is typically an afterthought to their original plans OR a thought of as medical treatment destination. I think most of them claim that as a 'reason' for going to Thailand once they return. In fact, most of the Gulf states pay for their citizens to receive medical care in Thailand as it's superior to their own and much cheaper. Their governments always cover their medical expenses in full!

I understand that Bumrungrad was built with Saudi money. US staff merely run the place.

[Maggusoil]

It's not a serious ban or more Saudis would end up paying the penalty (if there even is one) after they arrive back home with their passports stamped 'Thailand.'

A large number of Saudis go to Thailand for medical treatment. They generally go as a family group. If the males were just looking for prostitutues, they can always go to Bahrain where the bizness caters to their specific cultural requirements.

Been to Bahrain and seen it with my own eyes, the drinking, eating bacon/pork and the womanising. All things I believe they are not allowed to do in Saudi, hence they probably fly to LOS just for a difference from Bahrain.

Bakin' the bacon, poking the pork? Drinking, womanising? These people are disgusting.

Why are they here?

Well Singapore is the best for medical. . . sadly not quite as interesting as Bangkok

Even the 'name' of the city has resonance, . . . . es

[Maggusoil]

It could be quite simple. Anything 'banned' is more appealing. Isn't it?

[skyaslimit]

 

Where else can they fill their bellies with pork and booze and ravage pretty girls of the night?  Thailand!

They can afford girls and booze of any kind in there immidiate neighbouring countries, as far as pork is concerned I don't think its an attraction here in Thailand.

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why bother with utmost uneducated assumptions? i bet my [not so] sweet butt that the resident "anti Saudi brigade" has no idea about Saudi Arabia or its neighbouring countries.

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[skyaslimit]

 

It's not a serious ban or more Saudis would end up paying the penalty (if there even is one) after they arrive back home with their passports stamped 'Thailand.'

 

A large number of Saudis go to Thailand for medical treatment.  They generally go as a family group.  If the males were just looking for prostitutues, they can always go to Bahrain where the bizness caters to their specific cultural requirements.

 

Been to Bahrain and seen it with my own eyes, the drinking, eating bacon/pork and the womanising. All things I believe they are not allowed to do in Saudi, hence they probably fly to LOS just for a difference from Bahrain. 

 

 

Bakin' the bacon, poking the pork? Drinking, womanising? These people are disgusting. 

Why are they here?

Well Singapore is the best for medical. . . sadly not quite as interesting as Bangkok

Even the 'name' of the city has resonance, . . . . es 

People? Who? What we are talking about? and I really have problems to pronounce sing- a- poo

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[harrycallahan]

Love to see the Thai's pull that shit on Israel.

[toenail]

As I have said before, I am glad the Thais are not allowed to work in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis treat workers from developing countries like scum.... The contracts are not always followed and many times the workers find themselves taken advantage of. Ironically even the "Muslim brothers" such as Egyptians, Yemanise, or Pakistanis are glad to get out of the country when their contract ends. Next, so you think the Saudis come to thailand to look at the Buddhist temples or understand the culture? They can do their "sinning" in the "infidel's" land then go back and say how holy they are making sure they speed to the mosques 5 times a day -( never mind if they run over someone or park their car in the middle of the road as if it is a camel. )

Edited September 3, 2013 by toenail

[surangw]

and it comes out to an even number

[atsiii]

The Blue Diamond Affair.

Of course you are reluctant to allow your citizens to visit a country that has proven it's dishonesty by robbing you of prized assets, returning fakes then assuring the crime is covered up and those associated with fencing the goods are murdered, along with their families.

It doesn't help that your diplomats are gunned down in broad daylight in central Bangkok.

It also doesn't help when influential persons are spotted wearing the jewelry at social functions, seemingly with absolute disregard and contempt.

I await with baited breath the "it could happen anywhere" nonsense from the apologists.

There's no "seemingly" about it. The upper echelons here treat everyone except themselves with complete and utter contempt. Am still very surprised more hasn't happened about this from the Saudi side.

Agree with you both; perhaps it's a predictable outcome when one racist country/culture runs up against another equally racist country/culture.

[Suradit69]

The Blue Diamond Affair.

Of course you are reluctant to allow your citizens to visit a country that has proven it's dishonesty by robbing you of prized assets, returning fakes then assuring the crime is covered up and those associated with fencing the goods are murdered, along with their families.

It doesn't help that your diplomats are gunned down in broad daylight in central Bangkok.

It also doesn't help when influential persons are spotted wearing the jewelry at social functions, seemingly with absolute disregard and contempt.

I await with baited breath the "it could happen anywhere" nonsense from the apologists.

"I await with baited breath the "it could happen anywhere" nonsense from the apologists."

I'm waiting with bated breath to find out why you've baited your breath.

European countries looted the treasures of Egypt, Greece, India, China and, for that matter, most of Africa & Asia. Much of the loot went on display in museums or into private collections and, with rare exceptions, has not been returned to the countries of origin despite diplomatic requests. As for gunning down citizens that was a routine exercise in much of the colonialized world. That or hacking off of limbs if not enough loot was produced fast enough.

Of course, that doesn't make it right, but you seem to feel that most countries in the world don't have a lot of dirt shoved under their proverbial carpets.

You also appear to believe that looking at the big bad world with both eyes open means one is an apologist for Thailand. Bad things happen in Thailand. Accepting that it's no different than any other country in that regard is not an apology. Wrong is wrong wherever it happens, but it does happen everywhere. Pretending Thailand is any worse than the countries from which most tourists and long term residents come, is just childish xenophobia.

People who come from the US, Russia, Germany, UK, Japan, China, most countries in the Middle East ... who amongst them is really able to put on some mantle of righteousness. Surely they taught a realistic view of world history wherever you come from?? Or possibly you got the sanitized revisionist history that's crafted to be PC for home consumption??

[emiratesgooner]

Apparently the nerve gas used on Syrian children also came from Saudi Arabia. Etc.etc.etc. theres a lot of heavy duty crime coming from that place and while I agree with the "blue diamond" post above, I think you will find there are places in SA where you could experience all those crimes that you listed happening in Bangkok, with a cherry ontop.

But obviously, countries with strict religious laws and taboos, be they sex or gambling, you will always see a mass-exodus towards countries where those taboos are rightly laughed at. Because fundamentally people accept many of the social norms out of duty (usually to their ancestors or direct family) but don't agree with them and find them difficult to live by. You can also chart globally nations where people are allowed to express themselves (in whatever way) and map them with nations that are generally happier and healthier and less violent. Is interesting.

Yunla, you've obviously NEVER visited, lived or worked in Saudi Arabia.

May I suggest you get first hand experience of a country/nation before writing tosh!

And yes, I visit Saudi Arabia many times a year for business purposes and what you've written borders on absolute nonsense.

As for your second paragraph, I personally could not understand a single sentence.

FOYS

[emiratesgooner]

The Blue Diamond Affair.

Of course you are reluctant to allow your citizens to visit a country that has proven it's dishonesty by robbing you of prized assets, returning fakes then assuring the crime is covered up and those associated with fencing the goods are murdered, along with their families.

It doesn't help that your diplomats are gunned down in broad daylight in central Bangkok.

It also doesn't help when influential persons are spotted wearing the jewelry at social functions, seemingly with absolute disregard and contempt.

I await with baited breath the "it could happen anywhere" nonsense from the apologists.

"I await with baited breath the "it could happen anywhere" nonsense from the apologists."

I'm waiting with bated breath to find out why you've baited your breath.

European countries looted the treasures of Egypt, Greece, India, China and, for that matter, most of Africa & Asia. Much of the loot went on display in museums or into private collections and, with rare exceptions, has not been returned to the countries of origin despite diplomatic requests. As for gunning down citizens that was a routine exercise in much of the colonialized world. That or hacking off of limbs if not enough loot was produced fast enough.

Of course, that doesn't make it right, but you seem to feel that most countries in the world don't have a lot of dirt shoved under their proverbial carpets.

You also appear to believe that looking at the big bad world with both eyes open means one is an apologist for Thailand. Bad things happen in Thailand. Accepting that it's no different than any other country in that regard is not an apology. Wrong is wrong wherever it happens, but it does happen everywhere. Pretending Thailand is any worse than the countries from which most tourists and long term residents come, is just childish xenophobia.

People who come from the US, Russia, Germany, UK, Japan, China, most countries in the Middle East ... who amongst them is really able to put on some mantle of righteousness. Surely they taught a realistic view of world history wherever you come from?? Or possibly you got the sanitized revisionist history that's crafted to be PC for home consumption??

An excellent post, the answer that is.

[snake24]

The Blue Diamond Affair.

Of course you are reluctant to allow your citizens to visit a country that has proven it's dishonesty by robbing you of prized assets, returning fakes then assuring the crime is covered up and those associated with fencing the goods are murdered, along with their families.

It doesn't help that your diplomats are gunned down in broad daylight in central Bangkok.

It also doesn't help when influential persons are spotted wearing the jewelry at social functions, seemingly with absolute disregard and contempt.

I await with baited breath the "it could happen anywhere" nonsense from the apologists.

Wow never heard of this before but hey it's a loss the saudis can afford and what's the reason for killing off those saudi guys in bkk? This isn't some common hitman we're talking about i say it's probably the higher ups like the govt that ordered it but what is the reason?

[SOEYCHANLOY]

Half of the 17,000 were in Bumrungrad last week.

hAhahahaa ! An the other half were their waives,,,

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[robertthebruce]

Apparently the nerve gas used on Syrian children also came from Saudi Arabia. Etc.etc.etc. theres a lot of heavy duty crime coming from that place and while I agree with the "blue diamond" post above, I think you will find there are places in SA where you could experience all those crimes that you listed happening in Bangkok, with a cherry ontop.

But obviously, countries with strict religious laws and taboos, be they sex or gambling, you will always see a mass-exodus towards countries where those taboos are rightly laughed at. Because fundamentally people accept many of the social norms out of duty (usually to their ancestors or direct family) but don't agree with them and find them difficult to live by. You can also chart globally nations where people are allowed to express themselves (in whatever way) and map them with nations that are generally happier and healthier and less violent. Is interesting.

Excellent posting, totally agree with you....

[robertthebruce]

Apparently the nerve gas used on Syrian children also came from Saudi Arabia. Etc.etc.etc. theres a lot of heavy duty crime coming from that place and while I agree with the "blue diamond" post above, I think you will find there are places in SA where you could experience all those crimes that you listed happening in Bangkok, with a cherry ontop.

But obviously, countries with strict religious laws and taboos, be they sex or gambling, you will always see a mass-exodus towards countries where those taboos are rightly laughed at. Because fundamentally people accept many of the social norms out of duty (usually to their ancestors or direct family) but don't agree with them and find them difficult to live by. You can also chart globally nations where people are allowed to express themselves (in whatever way) and map them with nations that are generally happier and healthier and less violent. Is interesting.

Yunla, you've obviously NEVER visited, lived or worked in Saudi Arabia.

May I suggest you get first hand experience of a country/nation before writing tosh!

And yes, I visit Saudi Arabia many times a year for business purposes and what you've written borders on absolute nonsense.

As for your second paragraph, I personally could not understand a single sentence.

FOYS

Have to disagree with you there, best to be avoided at all costs, as for not understanding his second ''Paragraph'', what was the problem, its plain and simple ??

[Naam]

Apparently the nerve gas used on Syrian children also came from Saudi Arabia. Etc.etc.etc. theres a lot of heavy duty crime coming from that place and while I agree with the "blue diamond" post above, I think you will find there are places in SA where you could experience all those crimes that you listed happening in Bangkok, with a cherry ontop.

But obviously, countries with strict religious laws and taboos, be they sex or gambling, you will always see a mass-exodus towards countries where those taboos are rightly laughed at. Because fundamentally people accept many of the social norms out of duty (usually to their ancestors or direct family) but don't agree with them and find them difficult to live by. You can also chart globally nations where people are allowed to express themselves (in whatever way) and map them with nations that are generally happier and healthier and less violent. Is interesting.

Excellent posting, totally agree with you....

it is also a well-known fact that the Saudis are responsible for tsunamis, earth quakes and the misery of frustrated retirees in Thailand hailing from the former British Empire and its colonies.

[adjustedpete]

Wonder why they came here ???

LOL... you need to get out more wob, Saudi men come to Thailand to sow their wild oats and return to the kingdom to marry good Saudi girls....just saying

[FarangTalk]

The Blue Diamond Affair.

Of course you are reluctant to allow your citizens to visit a country that has proven it's dishonesty by robbing you of prized assets, returning fakes then assuring the crime is covered up and those associated with fencing the goods are murdered, along with their families.

It doesn't help that your diplomats are gunned down in broad daylight in central Bangkok.

It also doesn't help when influential persons are spotted wearing the jewelry at social functions, seemingly with absolute disregard and contempt.

I await with baited breath the "it could happen anywhere" nonsense from the apologists.

"I await with baited breath the "it could happen anywhere" nonsense from the apologists."

I'm waiting with bated breath to find out why you've baited your breath.

European countries looted the treasures of Egypt, Greece, India, China and, for that matter, most of Africa & Asia. Much of the loot went on display in museums or into private collections and, with rare exceptions, has not been returned to the countries of origin despite diplomatic requests. As for gunning down citizens that was a routine exercise in much of the colonialized world. That or hacking off of limbs if not enough loot was produced fast enough.

Of course, that doesn't make it right, but you seem to feel that most countries in the world don't have a lot of dirt shoved under their proverbial carpets.

You also appear to believe that looking at the big bad world with both eyes open means one is an apologist for Thailand. Bad things happen in Thailand. Accepting that it's no different than any other country in that regard is not an apology. Wrong is wrong wherever it happens, but it does happen everywhere. Pretending Thailand is any worse than the countries from which most tourists and long term residents come, is just childish xenophobia.

People who come from the US, Russia, Germany, UK, Japan, China, most countries in the Middle East ... who amongst them is really able to put on some mantle of righteousness. Surely they taught a realistic view of world history wherever you come from?? Or possibly you got the sanitized revisionist history that's crafted to be PC for home consumption??

Nice try but your scantily clad and opinionated rant about colonialism and tenuous comparative references are not sufficient to convince me (or others it would seem), that daylight assassinations of foreign diplomats in a major capital city and theft of Royal jewels from foreign countries resulting in a swathe of assassinations by the local Police happen in other countries.

We're of course talking about the modern era, as Thailand still has strained diplomatic ties with KSA.

One wonders how the theft of Royal items from Thailand would have been handled (yes, that is a rhetorical question to point out the irony not to mention hypocrisy).

No offence, but I think you and some others here are still on your honeymoon period and are kidding yourselves on about what Thailand is really all about.

The World has moved on from colonialism and the gunning down of foreign diplomats in broad daylight, and the murder of families to cover up crimes committed by the establishment and Police force is now frowned upon in those former colonial powers.

[Estrada]

The Grace Hotel is owned by the Saudi Royal Family (who also own the Savoy Hotel in London), they bought it in the '80s from the Thai owners which included the Chief of Police at the time. They immediately installed a Mosque and a ten pin bowling alley in the hotel. Nana became the Arab Quarter of Bangkok. I am not surprised that there are still Saudis coming to stay in the Nana area since I do not think that the Saudi Royal Family really wants to prevent Saudis staying at their Hotel. The ban is just a gesture in the hope that they may get justice.

[Time Traveller]

The ban is more symbolic than anything else. It's just a warning for their own citizens that the Thai hierarchy thinks nothing of anyone else's lives. Even foreign government diplomats lives are meaningless here and ordinary tourists even less so.

[sadhukar]

Apparently the nerve gas used on Syrian children also came from Saudi Arabia. Etc.etc.etc. theres a lot of heavy duty crime coming from that place and while I agree with the "blue diamond" post above, I think you will find there are places in SA where you could experience all those crimes that you listed happening in Bangkok, with a cherry ontop.

But obviously, countries with strict religious laws and taboos, be they sex or gambling, you will always see a mass-exodus towards countries where those taboos are rightly laughed at. Because fundamentally people accept many of the social norms out of duty (usually to their ancestors or direct family) but don't agree with them and find them difficult to live by. You can also chart globally nations where people are allowed to express themselves (in whatever way) and map them with nations that are generally happier and healthier and less violent. Is interesting.

Do you have any facts to support your views that chemical attacks took place in Syria (the UN would be interested) and that the agent used was supplied by KSA? Can you substantiate your accusations of heavy duty crime please? Have you ever actually been there?

Thailand attracts sex tourists from many countries. It also attracts many decent families who certainly don't come for the cheap booze, cheap tarts and easily available sexual deviants. To suggest all Saudi tourists are sex tourist is bigotry. Unless you have some proof otherwise. It is the same as suggesting all Thai ladies are whores, willing to sell themselves. And I know many people who have never been to Thailand are stupid enough to think that.

You think Thailand is a crime free, happy go lucky democracy, with little violence? This case highlights just how high and wide corruption infests here, the lack of law enforcement and the contempt and utter disregard for anyone who is not a hiso Thai. Everyone else is expendable.

The Saudis are victims here - victims of Thai crime, corruption, and lies. Yet we get posters whose only contribution is to slag off the Saudis and make unsubstantiated comments. If they made the same comments about Thailand they would be charged with defamation or ruining the country's image or some such.

You must be either stupid or blind or perhaps both...there is a post which made negative insinuations about thais on the FIRST PAGE and just looking around the forum one would think they're in Cambodia for all the negative, anti-thai comments.

[dcsw53]

Last year when I worked in there, a Saudi colleague of mine was warned by the Foreign Affairs Department in Jeddah that if he came with me here he would not get his passport renewed. He only found this out by asking the question. I wonder how many of those who came here were warned when they bought their tickets, we were not told by the travel agent.

In Novemeber last year it was announced in the Saudi Gazette that promoting Thailand or singing its praises was a criminal offence, even for foreigners.