passport issues

[kriswillems]

I have the following problem.

My wife and my son have dual nationality.

My wife and my son are now in Thailand.

I am now in Europe.

My wife and son want to fly to my country to join me.

My wife and son have a passport for my country, but they don't have a Thai passport at this moment.

My wife needs my permission to apply for a Thai passport for my son.

For this permission I went to the Thai embassy in my country.

I sent the permission by normal registered mail to Thailand.

But the whole process might just take too long and it might not be finished before the flight to Europe leaves.

Suppose on the day they need to travel, my son goes to immigration in the airport in Thailand to leave the country.

What will happen to him?

He never left the country since he was born.

So, he will not have an arrival stamp in his European passport.

He also doesn't have an arrival card.

But he will have to leave the country on his European passport.

And he doesn't have a Thai passport.

Will he be allowed to leave?

Edited September 23, 2013 by kriswillems

[maprao]

Yes there is no overstay for children. Provided the mother is Thai. Found this out when my son went to Thailand and entered on his farang passport and not his Thai one.

Fedex the papers to Thailand 3 or 4 days max to arrive. Get him a Thai passport. I think as he does not have an artival stamp they may insist he leaves on a Thai passport as he was born there.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Edited September 23, 2013 by maprao

[kriswillems]

You let your son arrive on a farang pasport, so there's an arrival card and arrival stamp.

But in my case somebody without arrival stamp and without arrival card in his farang passport is trying to leave the country .... so it might look like my son arrived here in an illegal way, without passing the border check points. There might be a chance the immigration computer will not accept it and he'll be forced to leave on a Thai passport.

I didn't book the flight yet, because I am not sure they can arrange things on time. But by the time I know, their flight will probably not be available anymore for a reasonable price.

PS. I had to hurry to go to Europe (medical reasons), so I had no time to arrange all the paperwork before leaving.

[ubonjoe]

Since your son was born here he can leave using his foreign passport by showing his birth certificate to immigration.

What passport did your wife use to enter the country?

[lopburi3]

All is well - wife can leave on her normal Thai passport if she used that for last entry and enter your country with that passport and son can leave on foreign passport showing birth certificate as said. The only issue will be his return if on foreign passport will require the next exit to also be done using that and technical overstay if more than visa or visa exempt entry. As said overstay does not involve a fine for children in any case and if visit long enough perhaps Thai passport can be issued there for return trip.

[AYJAYDEE]

All is well - wife can leave on her normal Thai passport if she used that for last entry and enter your country with that passport and son can leave on foreign passport showing birth certificate as said. The only issue will be his return if on foreign passport will require the next exit to also be done using that and technical overstay if more than visa or visa exempt entry. As said overstay does not involve a fine for children in any case and if visit long enough perhaps Thai passport can be issued there for return trip.

i know someone who enters on thai passport and leaves showing both

[kriswillems]

Well, for my wife it's no problem. She can apply for a Thai passport without my permission. So, she doesn't need to wait for the letter from the embassy to arrive. She entered on her Thai passport, but it expired.

In Bangna you can pickup a Thai passport after 2 working days, right?

Thanks to all for your help.

Edited September 24, 2013 by kriswillems

[ubonjoe]

Normally 2 or 3 days. But she could have it sent to her by EMS.

Where is she now? There might be an office closer.

[lopburi3]

All is well - wife can leave on her normal Thai passport if she used that for last entry and enter your country with that passport and son can leave on foreign passport showing birth certificate as said.  The only issue will be his return if on foreign passport will require the next exit to also be done using that and technical overstay if more than visa or visa exempt entry.  As said overstay does not involve a fine for children in any case and if visit long enough perhaps Thai passport can be issued there for return trip.

 

 

i know someone who enters on thai passport and leaves showing both

They only show foreign passport to airline check-in normally if they do no have visa in Thai passport and foreign passport does or allows entry without.

[kriswillems]

They told her in the Pattaya office that if she they have to send it by EMS it will take 5 to 7 days. If she would pick it up herself it would take 2 to 3 days in Bangna. In Pattaya, the neaerest office to our city, it would take 1 week by EMS.

Edited September 25, 2013 by kriswillems

[Cbr150r]

All is well - wife can leave on her normal Thai passport if she used that for last entry and enter your country with that passport and son can leave on foreign passport showing birth certificate as said. The only issue will be his return if on foreign passport will require the next exit to also be done using that and technical overstay if more than visa or visa exempt entry. As said overstay does not involve a fine for children in any case and if visit long enough perhaps Thai passport can be issued there for return trip.

i know someone who enters on thai passport and leaves showing both

They only show foreign passport to airline check-in normally if they do no have visa in Thai passport and foreign passport does or allows entry without.

Yes exactly.

[Cbr150r]

All is well - wife can leave on her normal Thai passport if she used that for last entry and enter your country with that passport and son can leave on foreign passport showing birth certificate as said. The only issue will be his return if on foreign passport will require the next exit to also be done using that and technical overstay if more than visa or visa exempt entry. As said overstay does not involve a fine for children in any case and if visit long enough perhaps Thai passport can be issued there for return trip.

I've heard that a child can leave on foreign passport showing birth certificate but don't know anyone who has actually done it.

When returning on foreign passport should definitely make time for the 2 day passport application so the next leave can be via the Thai passport.

[ubonjoe]

I've heard that a child can leave on foreign passport showing birth certificate but don't know anyone who has actually done it.

It only applies for first departure with a foreign passport after birth.

It is done all time.

[lopburi3]

And any entry on foreign passport must be used for exit. The Thai passport would have to wait for next entry and if asked why no exit card explained - although this may not be an issue with automated Thai gates.

[AYJAYDEE]

All is well - wife can leave on her normal Thai passport if she used that for last entry and enter your country with that passport and son can leave on foreign passport showing birth certificate as said. The only issue will be his return if on foreign passport will require the next exit to also be done using that and technical overstay if more than visa or visa exempt entry. As said overstay does not involve a fine for children in any case and if visit long enough perhaps Thai passport can be issued there for return trip.

i know someone who enters on thai passport and leaves showing both

They only show foreign passport to airline check-in normally if they do no have visa in Thai passport and foreign passport does or allows entry without.

like i said, i know folks who show both.

[rotary]

Good thread. Got some info I found useful

[ubonjoe]

 

 

All is well - wife can leave on her normal Thai passport if she used that for last entry and enter your country with that passport and son can leave on foreign passport showing birth certificate as said.  The only issue will be his return if on foreign passport will require the next exit to also be done using that and technical overstay if more than visa or visa exempt entry.  As said overstay does not involve a fine for children in any case and if visit long enough perhaps Thai passport can be issued there for return trip.

 

 

i know someone who enters on thai passport and leaves showing both

 

They only show foreign passport to airline check-in normally if they do no have visa in Thai passport and foreign passport does or allows entry without.

 

like i said, i know folks who show both.

Bad idea to show both to immigration. Especially on arrival. There have been reports of Thais being pulled aside when they showed both. Advise is to hide 2nd passport so their is no chance of immigration seeing it.