webfact Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Phuket tour bus brakes fail, driver avoids disasterPhuket Gazette The bus ended up perilously close to a residence. Photo: Thawit BilabdullarPHUKET: -- Faulty brakes almost resulted in a tour bus smashing into a house on Patong Hill last night, in a near-repeat of an accident that occurred at almost the same location about four months ago.“No injuries were reported. The Daow Duang Mai Travel company bus had no passengers. It was only carrying tourists’ luggage when the accident occurred,” Navee Singsom of the Patong Police said.The driver, Pornpoj Jaklang, 37, told the Phuket Gazette that the accident resulted from the brakes failing and the road being slippery from the rain.“When I lost control of the bus, it slid off the hill near Wat Suwankiriwong. However, I was able to stop the bus just before it was going to crash into a house,” Mr Pornpoj said.Lt Navee said police would continue their investigation into the exact cause of the accident.Source: http://www.phuketgazette.net/phuket_news/2013/Phuket-tour-bus-brakes-fail-driver-avoids-disaster-22377.html-- Phuket Gazette 2013-09-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentbkk Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 it would be interesting to know the speed of the bus when it crash .... but at least the good news is noone was injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 “When I lost control of the bus, it slid off the hill near Wat Suwankiriwong. However, I was able to stop the bus just before it was going to crash into a house,” Mr Pornpoj said How, the brakes had failed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 “When I lost control of the bus, it slid off the hill near Wat Suwankiriwong. However, I was able to stop the bus just before it was going to crash into a house,” Mr Pornpoj said How, the brakes had failed. Using the gears? Maybe a hand-brake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunta71 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The brakes fail it seems only when it rains. Most unqualified drivers in the world 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelepulse Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 >>Lt Navee said police would continue their investigation into the exact cause of the accident. Incompetency, poor road surface, bad tires, crappy brakes. Pick any number of these and there's your cause. Case closed, next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gsxrnz Posted September 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) “When I lost control of the bus, it slid off the hill near Wat Suwankiriwong. However, I was able to stop the bus just before it was going to crash into a house,” Mr Pornpoj said How, the brakes had failed. Using the gears? Maybe a hand-brake? The brakes work on air pressure - if the system loses pressure (fails), the default is for the brakes to lock on as it is a positive system. The air pressure keeps the shoes OFF the drums. Virtually impossible to "fail" in the traditional sense as say a car losing fluid - it just doesn't work that way unless the brakes are so badly adjusted that full depression of the brake pedal does not release enough air to allow the shoe to contact the drum. Only two possible reasons for loss of control in this situation: 1. Idiot driver going too fast or fell asleep, or just couldn't drive a nail into a piece of wood, never mind a bus. 2. Very badly adjusted brakes whereby all shoes are not binding on the drums equally, resulting in lock up of one or more, but not all hubs. This is probably the likely cause as there is virtually no enforcement for checking brakes in Thailand. In the west a regular maintenance regime is mandatory and brakes are the most important part of the checking and certifying process. Mal adjusted air brakes on any heavy vehicle render it highly unsafe. Add Thai rain, poorly maintained roads and a dodgy driver..................enough said. Edited September 30, 2013 by Gsxrnz 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NomadJoe Posted September 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2013 “When I lost control of the bus, it slid off the hill near Wat Suwankiriwong. However, I was able to stop the bus just before it was going to crash into a house,” Mr Pornpoj said How, the brakes had failed. Using the gears? Maybe a hand-brake? All of these "brake failures" really aren't. There is a thing called "brake fade" that occures when they over heat. The bus drivers here routinely drive too fast downhill then rely on the brakes instead of going slow and using a low gear or crawler gear if they have it, and compression breaking. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnie99 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 “When I lost control of the bus, it slid off the hill near Wat Suwankiriwong. However, I was able to stop the bus just before it was going to crash into a house,” Mr Pornpoj said How, the brakes had failed. Using the gears? Maybe a hand-brake? errrrr that would take forethought, knowledge and skill. Impossible, therefore, QED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnie99 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 “When I lost control of the bus, it slid off the hill near Wat Suwankiriwong. However, I was able to stop the bus just before it was going to crash into a house,” Mr Pornpoj said How, the brakes had failed. Using the gears? Maybe a hand-brake? The brakes work on air pressure - if the system loses pressure (fails), the default is for the brakes to lock on as it is a positive system. The air pressure keeps the shoes OFF the drums. Virtually impossible to "fail" in the traditional sense as say a car losing fluid - it just doesn't work that way unless the brakes are so badly adjusted that full depression of the brake pedal does not release enough air to allow the shoe to contact the drum. Only two possible reasons for loss of control in this situation: 1. Idiot driver going too fast or fell asleep, or just couldn't drive a nail into a piece of wood, never mind a bus. 2. Very badly adjusted brakes whereby all shoes are not binding on the drums equally, resulting in lock up of one or more, but not all hubs. This is probably the likely cause as there is virtually no enforcement for checking brakes in Thailand. In the west a regular maintenance regime is mandatory and brakes are the most important part of the checking and certifying process. Mal adjusted air brakes on any heavy vehicle render it highly unsafe. Add Thai rain, poorly maintained roads and a dodgy driver..................enough said. Quite right and the chances of the electric retarders being fitted are so low because the word 'retard' is just a bit too close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 What condition are these vehicles in before the hit the roads ? Today in just 2 hrs of driving I witnessed 3 vehicles; a lorry, a bus and a loaded pick-up stuck on the side of the road. All had left shredded remains of tyres on the road behind them. The pick-up was down to the rims and nearly over turned... Most of the issues I see on the roads are down to simple 'innocent ignorance'... i.e. some driver is going down a hill on his breaks not knowing they can over-heat, another with under-inflated tyres; not knowing they will shred, other drivers too close to the car in front; not aware of the dangers... Much of these issues could be avoided with some sort of televised 'driver education'... i.e. as adverts between soaps and other popular programs... Some drivers might take notice at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thhMan Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Yeah yeah.. the brakes failed, my dog ate my homework.. I was not drunk at the time of the accident... Trust needs to be earned and bus drivers have a bad reputation that is well deserved. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggusoil Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 “When I lost control of the bus, it slid off the hill near Wat Suwankiriwong. However, I was able to stop the bus just before it was going to crash into a house,” Mr Pornpoj said How, the brakes had failed. Yes its sad isn't it? I slowed the bus with the failed brakes. Oh really? Fortunately we can laugh at this one. But there are many we cannot. No need for logic here when any explanations will do. Statistically I would rather be in a plane any day in Thailand, or at the wheel myself. Buses and trains are not a good look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julemanden Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) “When I lost control of the bus, it slid off the hill near Wat Suwankiriwong. However, I was able to stop the bus just before it was going to crash into a house,” Mr Pornpoj said How, the brakes had failed. Using the gears? Maybe a hand-brake? The brakes work on air pressure - if the system loses pressure (fails), the default is for the brakes to lock on as it is a positive system. The air pressure keeps the shoes OFF the drums. Virtually impossible to "fail" in the traditional sense as say a car losing fluid - it just doesn't work that way unless the brakes are so badly adjusted that full depression of the brake pedal does not release enough air to allow the shoe to contact the drum. Only two possible reasons for loss of control in this situation: 1. Idiot driver going too fast or fell asleep, or just couldn't drive a nail into a piece of wood, never mind a bus. 2. Very badly adjusted brakes whereby all shoes are not binding on the drums equally, resulting in lock up of one or more, but not all hubs. This is probably the likely cause as there is virtually no enforcement for checking brakes in Thailand. In the west a regular maintenance regime is mandatory and brakes are the most important part of the checking and certifying process. Mal adjusted air brakes on any heavy vehicle render it highly unsafe. Add Thai rain, poorly maintained roads and a dodgy driver..................enough said. Or the brakes ran hot... Then they no longer work Edited September 30, 2013 by julemanden 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faranguy Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 it would be interesting to know the speed of the bus when it crash .... but at least the good news is noone was injured.No injuries, ok Thailand just remember the secret to saving passengers from injury and death, only transport their luggage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emdog Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 "Maintenance" is in the Thai dictionary (I looked it up). Too bad it is not in the "working vocabulary". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 “When I lost control of the bus, it slid off the hill near Wat Suwankiriwong. However, I was able to stop the bus just before it was going to crash into a house,” Mr Pornpoj said How, the brakes had failed. Using the gears? Maybe a hand-brake? All of these "brake failures" really aren't. There is a thing called "brake fade" that occures when they over heat. The bus drivers here routinely drive too fast downhill then rely on the brakes instead of going slow and using a low gear or crawler gear if they have it, and compression breaking. "There is a thing called "brake fade" - on Phuket, it's know as "brain fade." :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeThePoster Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Has the bus been deidentified yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosst Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 “When I lost control of the bus, it slid off the hill near Wat Suwankiriwong. However, I was able to stop the bus just before it was going to crash into a house,” Mr Pornpoj said How, the brakes had failed. Using the gears? Maybe a hand-brake? The brakes work on air pressure - if the system loses pressure (fails), the default is for the brakes to lock on as it is a positive system. The air pressure keeps the shoes OFF the drums. Virtually impossible to "fail" in the traditional sense as say a car losing fluid - it just doesn't work that way unless the brakes are so badly adjusted that full depression of the brake pedal does not release enough air to allow the shoe to contact the drum. Only two possible reasons for loss of control in this situation: 1. Idiot driver going too fast or fell asleep, or just couldn't drive a nail into a piece of wood, never mind a bus. 2. Very badly adjusted brakes whereby all shoes are not binding on the drums equally, resulting in lock up of one or more, but not all hubs. This is probably the likely cause as there is virtually no enforcement for checking brakes in Thailand. In the west a regular maintenance regime is mandatory and brakes are the most important part of the checking and certifying process. Mal adjusted air brakes on any heavy vehicle render it highly unsafe. Add Thai rain, poorly maintained roads and a dodgy driver..................enough said. I could not have said it better myself, item 2 due to poor or non-existent maintenance. Lack of situational awareness once the problem occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawksway Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 With so many of Thaivisa.coms experts on hand for the investigation and analysis the Government should seriously consider having such People to call on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Has the bus been deidentified yet? No, it's the one painted black. Never understood how that could not be thought of as a distinguishing feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 With so many of Thaivisa.coms experts on hand for the investigation and analysis the Government should seriously consider having such People to call on! To be quite honest, I'd stack a good half dozen, probably quite a few more (several dozen) TV members comments against anything that is reported here. You know why? We live in the real world, we are not Thai, we do not automatically believe that anything said to us by a bloke in a uniform (especially a very tight brown one) is automatically the truth, we question everything. That is one of the fundamental problems with the Thai society as it exists at the moment with the expanse of social media, some of them, are becoming us. It is going to hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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