How to alter the prefferred expired date for marriage visa

[tonyPhuket]

Hi,

I have the current marriage visa (12-month extension) and the expired date will be in xx Dec 2013.

Obviously my next renewal of the extension will be from xx Dec 2013 to xx Dec 2014.

My preference is xx March 2014 to xx March 2015 with good reasons

(i.e. my annual income is in Dec so it is easier to keep 400K in bank for 90 days).

Now to get the real reality,

If I obtain the new extension for xx Dec 2013 to xx Dec 2014 successfully, can I cancel this extension in xx March 2014 and request for the further extension from xx March 2014 to xx March 2015?

Greatly appreciate & welcome your responses in order to tackle the strictest immigration methods for Phuket area.

Tony

P.S. Sorry about my misspelling (correction - preferred in the subject line)

[ubonjoe]

There is no way to do it other than leaving the country and getting a new non-o visa and starting the extension process all over again.

Immigration will not cancel an extension so you can adjust your extension date.

For an extension of stay based upon marriage the money only has to be the bank for 60 days not 90 days on the date you apply for the extension.

You could move your extension date by getting a 60 day extension to visit your wife in December instead of doing the one year extension.

[Mario2008]

You extend your permisison to stay, not your visa. Your visa has expired a long time ago.

You need the money in the bank for 2 months, not 3 months.

Easiest to change the date is to leave the country without a re-entry permit, get a new non-O visa whie abroad, return to Thailand and after 60 days apply for an extension of stay based on marriage again.

Alternatively, in december ask for a 60 da extension instead for a 1 year extension and after that apply for a 1 year extension again with show of financials. That might give you enough time to season the monay.

[tonyPhuket]

There is no way to do it other than leaving the country and getting a new non-o visa and starting the extension process all over again.

Immigration will not cancel an extension so you can adjust your extension date.

For an extension of stay based upon marriage the money only has to be the bank for 60 days not 90 days on the date you apply for the extension.

You could move your extension date by getting a 60 day extension to visit your wife in December instead of doing the one year extension.

Yeah, it shows no joys for applicants except a 60 extension is something to chew in my mind. Thanks!

After 60-day extension, can the 12-month extension be resumed or must the marriage visa procedure be treated as first-time?

[tonyPhuket]

You extend your permisison to stay, not your visa. Your visa has expired a long time ago.

You need the money in the bank for 2 months, not 3 months.

Easiest to change the date is to leave the country without a re-entry permit, get a new non-O visa whie abroad, return to Thailand and after 60 days apply for an extension of stay based on marriage again.

Alternatively, in december ask for a 60 da extension instead for a 1 year extension and after that apply for a 1 year extension again with show of financials. That might give you enough time to season the monay.

Yep, your last line sounds better & two same responses are so perfect. Thank u v much.

[ubonjoe]

It is not a marriage visa it is an extension of stay based upon marriage.

It should be treated the same as if you had gotten it in December.

[tonyPhuket]

It is not a marriage visa it is an extension of stay based upon marriage.

It should be treated the same as if you had gotten it in December.

Yes, of course. Sorry if my previous question sounds strange due to being paranoid about immigration's eagle eyes. Thanks again.

[tonyPhuket]

It is not a marriage visa it is an extension of stay based upon marriage.

It should be treated the same as if you had gotten it in December.

I visited my local immigration (Phuket) today to verify what you said earlier.

I hate to disappoint you that immigrant officier (farang assistant) confirms me the following:

1st time 1-year marriage needs a proof of 400K over 60 days (not 90 days)

2nd time or more - over 90 days (not 60 days)

Also he confirms me that the 2-month extension for marriage visa do not exist.

Only one thing you mentioned about leaving Thailand obtaining non imm "O'' visa is correct.

Shall I assume your info gathering based on Bangkok instead of Phuket? Or do you suggest there is the misunderstanding?

[ubonjoe]

Just wrong info. Days in bank info he gave you is for extensions based upon retirement.

The 60 day extension does exist. People get them every day.

Suggest you have a look at clause 2.18 for 1 year extension and 2.24 for 60 day extension of police order 777/2551

[thaiexpat21]

It is not a marriage visa it is an extension of stay based upon marriage.

It should be treated the same as if you had gotten it in December.

I visited my local immigration (Phuket) today to verify what you said earlier.

I hate to disappoint you that immigrant officier (farang assistant) confirms me the following:

1st time 1-year marriage needs a proof of 400K over 60 days (not 90 days)

2nd time or more - over 90 days (not 60 days)

Also he confirms me that the 2-month extension for marriage visa do not exist.

Only one thing you mentioned about leaving Thailand obtaining non imm "O'' visa is correct.

Shall I assume your info gathering based on Bangkok instead of Phuket? Or do you suggest there is the misunderstanding?

Persisting in talking about "visas" leads to confusion.

The 60 day "extension of stay" exists even in Phuket !

There is of course no 60 day "Marriage visa" !

[ubonjoe]

You also have to consider the source of the info. It is not the first time that info from one of these volunteers has been completely wrong.

Download police order here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=153821

[tonyPhuket]

Just wrong info. Days in bank info he gave you is for extensions based upon retirement.

The 60 day extension does exist. People get them every day.

Suggest you have a look at clause 2.18 for 1 year extension and 2.24 for 60 day extension of police order 777/2551

Sure if you can kindly tell me where / how to retrieve/browse that rules so that I can pass these to my local imm officier. Always thanks.

[ubonjoe]

I posted the link for download of police order in English in my last post.

This one is the official one in Thai: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=143308

[lopburi3]

The only issue is that police order 777/2551 seems to have been removed from immigration web sites. It is normally listed under the "acts" header but is not present in three sites I have checked today.

[ubonjoe]

This one has never had it http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=act

Only previous police order that went away almost 5 years ago.

[lopburi3]

Actually they do have it but now only available by direct access and not from menu.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.immigration.go.th%2Fnov2004%2Fdoc%2Ftemporarystay%2Fpolicy777-2551_en.pdf&ei=UlJuUoiyIYWUiQLy4ICYAw&usg=AFQjCNF141czLTLyphA-n80wynXqzCDIqg&sig2=1bJzRdeTec1gs7EfNJi00Q&bvm=bv.55123115,d.cGE

[tonyPhuket]

It is not a marriage visa it is an extension of stay based upon marriage.

It should be treated the same as if you had gotten it in December.

I visited my local immigration (Phuket) today to verify what you said earlier.

I hate to disappoint you that immigrant officier (farang assistant) confirms me the following:

1st time 1-year marriage needs a proof of 400K over 60 days (not 90 days)

2nd time or more - over 90 days (not 60 days)

Also he confirms me that the 2-month extension for marriage visa do not exist.

Only one thing you mentioned about leaving Thailand obtaining non imm "O'' visa is correct.

Shall I assume your info gathering based on Bangkok instead of Phuket? Or do you suggest there is the misunderstanding?

Persisting in talking about "visas" leads to confusion.

The 60 day "extension of stay" exists even in Phuket !

There is of course no 60 day "Marriage visa" !

Yes, this is what I am trying to tell the immigration volunteer. It looks as I have failed to make him to understand my request.

Should I simply say "Can I request for 60 day "extension of stay" without mentioning marriage visa?

Hope to get the second advice from the different immigrant volunteer asap & thanks for clarifying me this issue.

[lopburi3]

It is an extension of stay to visit wife - you should not mention visas at all.

[ubonjoe]

Perhaps talking to a real immigration officer would be better.

[tonyPhuket]

I posted the link for download of police order in English in my last post.

This one is the official one in Thai: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_id=143308

Yes, this info of police order especially 2.24 rule sounds solid & positive so wish me luck then. Cheers.

[thaiexpat21]

It is not a marriage visa it is an extension of stay based upon marriage.

It should be treated the same as if you had gotten it in December.

I visited my local immigration (Phuket) today to verify what you said earlier.

I hate to disappoint you that immigrant officier (farang assistant) confirms me the following:

1st time 1-year marriage needs a proof of 400K over 60 days (not 90 days)

2nd time or more - over 90 days (not 60 days)

Also he confirms me that the 2-month extension for marriage visa do not exist.

Only one thing you mentioned about leaving Thailand obtaining non imm "O'' visa is correct.

Shall I assume your info gathering based on Bangkok instead of Phuket? Or do you suggest there is the misunderstanding?

Persisting in talking about "visas" leads to confusion.

The 60 day "extension of stay" exists even in Phuket !

There is of course no 60 day "Marriage visa" !

Yes, this is what I am trying to tell the immigration volunteer. It looks as I have failed to make him to understand my request.

Should I simply say "Can I request for 60 day "extension of stay" without mentioning marriage visa?

Hope to get the second advice from the different immigrant volunteer asap & thanks for clarifying me this issue.

You do not and did not ever have a "marriage visa", such a thing does not exist.

As I tried to indicate before this loose talk about "visas" simply causes confusion.

[johnsuma]

Woww what a mess that immigration rules system. Aren't they really not able to simplify that ?

[tonyPhuket]

It is an extension of stay to visit wife - you should not mention visas at all.

Ay, it makes sense at last. Will nag someone at immigration officer.

[tonyPhuket]

Perhaps talking to a real immigration officer would be better.

Yes, definitely good point. Only if I can try to catch the real one at the "most off-peak" hour. If not, then try the volunteer.

[tonyPhuket]

Perhaps talking to a real immigration officer would be better.

Yes, definitely good point. Only if I can try to catch the real one at the "most off-peak" hour. If not, then try the volunteer.

I visited immigration office today again & the real ones are too busy. However I saw the different volunteer. He can confirm the 60-day extension to visit Thai spouse do exist and it is for one time.

Unfortunately, there is a "But". He warns me that I might not able to get the 1-year marriage extension after that. The dilemma is too much & risky - Chinese whispers from Thai officers is not a worth.

Taking a flight to Singapore for original non imm "O" (90 days) is much easier for me. Thanks for your kind advices & resources. Cheers.

[ubonjoe]

There is no reason they wouldn't do the one year extension after the 60 day extension. Many have done it mostly because they came up short on the 60 day money in the bank requirement.

Good luck in Singapore. I would go to Penang if it was me.

[WorriedNoodle]

Surely if married one does not to to leave country to get the Non Imm O visa. Why all the talk of Singapore and Penang etc? Immigration will issue a Non Imm O - at least they did for me in Bangkok and I have gotten extension of stays ever since.

[ubonjoe]

Surely if married one does not to to leave country to get the Non Imm O visa. Why all the talk of Singapore and Penang etc? Immigration will issue a Non Imm O - at least they did for me in Bangkok and I have gotten extension of stays ever since.

Go back to the first page of topic and start reading and you will understand.

[tonyPhuket]

There is no reason they wouldn't do the one year extension after the 60 day extension. Many have done it mostly because they came up short on the 60 day money in the bank requirement.

Good luck in Singapore. I would go to Penang if it was me.

Please bear in mind that the marriage-extension money in the bank requirement for Phuket immigration is 90 days - not 60 days. Therefore needing two 60-day extensions to overcome the 90 days bank sounds peculiar. It does not make sense at all - as I said before all the Thai rules seems to be based on Thai officers' chinese whispers.

Let me conclude the money issue based on this topic.

Other immigration offices than Phuket immigration seems to be 90 days for 1st time marriage, 60 days for marriage extension.

For Phuket, 60 days for 1st time & 90 days for extension.

Thanks for wishes - I know nothing about Thai embassy's reputation in Penang so best to stick for Singapore.

[ubonjoe]

The police order says 60 days for extension of stay based upon marriage. If I was refused an extension because an immigration office was saying 90 days I think I would have go through the appeal process because I would win or the local office would change their minds before it got that far.

Immigration offices can ask for additional documents and such but they cannot change the rules that are written in the police order.

Penang is good according to most report plus you can use an agent there.

Reading reports for Singapore I would not recommend going there for any visa..