Thai police wary of prolonged rally against amnesty bill

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AMNESTY BILL
Police wary of prolonged rally against amnesty bill
The Nation



About 20,000 to 30,000 expected at Samsen; 5,000 police deployed to oversee security in bangkok

POLICE YESTERDAY expressed concerns over the protests against a government-proposed law that would grant blanket amnesty to all those involved in political conflicts since the 2006 coup.

They expected between 20,000 and 30,000 people to gather at Bangkok's Samsen Railway Station in a street protest organised by the opposition Democrat Party. The protesters were expected to stay for a long rally, judging from the amount of food and preparations they have, said Pol Maj-General Piya Uthayo, spokesman for the government's Peacekeeping Operations Centre.

The House of Representatives yesterday debated the amnesty bill in the second reading. The debate went smoothly until the discussion on the bill's name. Opposition MPs protested against an early closure of the debate, leading to tension and an exchange of words with government MPs.

By yesterday evening, some 8,000 protesters, mostly from Bangkok, had gathered at the Samsen protest site as per an estimate of the Special Branch police, Piya said. He said any violent incident at the site could lead to suspension of train services.

Train services at Samsen station continued as usual yesterday, said Somchid Kijja, a public relations officer at the station. He dismissed an earlier report in the social media that trains would not stop at Samsen station.

National police chief General Adul Sangsingkaew said yesterday that he was assessing the situation and would decide after three days whether to extend the Internal Security Act in three inner city districts of the capital, which had earlier been extended until the end of November.

He said at present about 40 companies, or more than 5,000 policemen, from the Metropolitan Police Bureau have been dispatched to keep law and order in Bangkok, with a focus on areas around Government House and Parliament.

As head of the centre, Adul yesterday issued a nine-point order for all police units throughout the country to be on alert round the clock. Relevant units were instructed to follow the movements of the protesters in their areas of jurisdiction.

Police checkpoints were ordered to be set up along roads leading to Bangkok to "screen people and possible illicit objects".

The Metropolitan Police Bureau was instructed to set up a rapid response unit in case of emergency. The centre's order also told police to have measures for possible closure of transport, such as railway, port or airport facilities, possible seizure of provincial halls, as well as possible sabotage.

Meanwhile, local authorities in the southern provinces of Songkhla, Trang and Nakhon Si Thammarat yesterday ordered increased security at their provincial halls as protesters were expected to gather there for a rally against the amnesty bill. In the Northeastern province of Khon Kaen, some 300 people gathered at the local City Pillar Shrine to protest against the amnesty law. Protest leader Thammarat Sa-ngiamsri said the protesters might later move to the Provincial Hall or a local police station.

In a related development, Green Politics Group leader Suriyasai Katasila said yesterday it was critical to see whether the number of protesters at Samsen railway station would reach 100,000.

Suriyasai, who is also a key member of People's Assembly Reforming Thailand, said the assembly would meet today and decide on their political movement. "Whether we will join the Samsen rally will depend on the situation. If the rally escalates, we will have to discuss it," he said.

He added that he believed there would be more rallies in other areas, such as in Silom business district.


-- The Nation 2013-11-01

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Thai amnesty bill sparks street protests
by Thanaporn PROMYAMYAI

BANGKOK, November 1, 2013 (AFP) - Anti-government protesters returned to the streets of Thailand's capital Thursday as parliament debated a political amnesty which opponents fear will "whitewash" past abuses and allow ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra to return.

Critics of the controversial legislation say it could unleash a fresh bout of political turmoil in a country rocked by a series of rival demonstrations since royalist generals toppled Thaksin in 2006.

Thousands of people joined a rally against the planned amnesty outside a railway station in Bangkok on Thursday evening, some wearing bandanas reading "Fight" and waving clappers with the slogan "Stop the amnesty for corrupt people".

"If a murderer kills someone and later he gets an amnesty, then the country will not be peaceful," said Surapol Srimawong, 56, from the northeastern province of Korat.

"It would mean any leader can kill whoever and after killing he can issue the amnesty bill, then it would be terrible."

According to national police spokesman Piya Uthayo, around 6,500 people joined the rally organised by the opposition Democrat Party.

The ruling Puea Thai Party of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra -- Thaksin's sister -- has ordered all its lawmakers to support the amnesty bill, which would cover crimes related to political unrest since 2004. A vote is expected in the coming days.

Supporters of the legislation say it will draw a line under years of turmoil culminating in mass pro-Thaksin "Red Shirt" protests in 2010 that left dozens of civilians dead in a military crackdown.

New York-based Human Rights Watch has said a blanket amnesty would "allow officials and protest leaders who have blood on their hands to go unpunished".

"By whitewashing past abuses, the government denies justice to victims and tells future abusers they have little to fear," said HRW Asia director Brad Adams.

In 2010 mass rallies by the Red Shirts against the previous government ended in the kingdom's worst civil violence in decades, with more than 90 people killed and nearly 1,900 wounded in street clashes and a military crackdown.

A series of earlier protests by their arch-rivals, the royalist "Yellow Shirts", helped to trigger the coup that toppled Thaksin.

The former telecoms tycoon is loved by many rural and poor Thais for his populist policies while in power, but his opponents accuse him of being corrupt, dictatorial and a threat to the monarchy.

Thaksin, the former owner of Manchester City football club, lives in self-imposed exile in Dubai to avoid prison for a corruption conviction imposed in his absence in 2008.

He contends that the jail term -- linked to a controversial purchase of state-owned land by his wife -- was politically motivated.

In 2010 a court also seized $1.4 billion of the Thaksin family assets for abuse of power after he was targeted by an anti-corruption panel appointed by the post-coup junta to investigate him.

Thaksin 'chief beneficiary' of bill
As well as pardoning people involved in political protests, the amnesty would also cover people accused by persons or organisations set up after the 2006 coup, according to a copy seen by AFP.

Thaksin would be the "chief beneficiary" of the amnesty, said Paul Chambers, director of research at the Institute of South East Asian Affairs at Chiang Mai University in northern Thailand.

"If the amnesty is passed, if the Constitution Court does not oppose it and if the king endorses the amnesty law, then of course Thaksin will return to Thailand," he added.

The opposition -- which was in power at the time of the 2010 crackdown -- has threatened to intensify its planned rally until the amnesty bill is withdrawn.

The Red Shirts and families of the victims have also decried the idea of an amnesty.

Phayaw Akkahad, the mother of a nurse who was gunned down in the grounds of a Buddhist temple while treating injured Red Shirts on May 19, said she wanted Puea Thai to carry out its election campaign pledge to find justice.

"But look at what is happening -- soldiers who killed people have never gone to jail," she told AFP.
"This bill will bring more violence and might cause people to be killed again."


-- (c) Copyright AFP 2013-11-01

[NongKhaiKid]

With this brewing up nicely I wonder if YL will show her character and sterling leadership qualities by casting her vote today then heading off on an overseas trip to... anywhere ?

Her leadership from the rear is a joy.

[GeorgeO]

Amazing how they can pull out all the stops to oversee this rally, and yet the Red Shirts have total freedom of movement when they invade Bangkok for their "peaceful" gatherings....!!

[Robby nz]

Meanwhile :

The Met Police Chief has urgently transferred 4 senior police officers (general rank) who have family members or relatives with links to the Democrat party to Police Headquarters where the can be kept an eye on in case they might have sympathies with those opposing the amnesty bill.

Control of the police appears to be complete.

Sorry cant post a link, against the rules.

[Thaddeus]

Meanwhile :

The Met Police Chief has urgently transferred 4 senior police officers (general rank) who have family members or relatives with links to the Democrat party to Police Headquarters where the can be kept an eye on in case they might have sympathies with those opposing the amnesty bill.

Control of the police appears to be complete.

Sorry cant post a link, against the rules.

Found it, not difficult.

Any doubt about the impartiality of the police has now vanished like the morning mist. As if anyone didn't know.

[roger rederer]

Ah yes. "The red shirts have total freedom of movement when they invade Bangkok"

Would this be the same red shirts who were mown down by governments troops (court finding last month) in cold blood? Crimes committed for which nobody has been convicted. Some "freedom of movement"!

[indyuk]

It's no wonder that the Thai Police, Including Immigration Police are confused as to the exact nature of their presumably non-political responsibilities and their orders of the day are (or mean).

[Baerboxer]

Ah yes. "The red shirts have total freedom of movement when they invade Bangkok" Would this be the same red shirts who were mown down by governments troops (court finding last month) in cold blood? Crimes committed for which nobody has been convicted. Some "freedom of movement"!

That's right Roger. The same red shirts that were and will be used by the Shin clan as cannon fodder. The same red shirts that were engaged in illegal looting, arson, assault and murdering security forces and innocent bystanders and who thought invading and terrorizing a hospital a good idea. The same red shirts who got the government to agree to their demands and then changed their minds at the behest of one man. The same red shirts who had some friends dressed in black.

The troops were acting because the RTP failed to do their duty, or even attempt to do it. Troops maintaining martial law is never going to end nicely, anywhere.

But, it takes two to tango.

[webfact]

Democrats declare non-stop protest against Amnesty Bill
By English News



BANGKOK, Nov 1 – Opposition Democrat MPs and leading political activists went on stage near Samsen railway station last evening until early this morning and vowed to continue their protest until the government withdraws the controversial Amnesty Bill.

Former deputy premier Suthep Thaugsuban stood firm that the protesters would not move from their Samsen rally site to Parliament.

Tens of thousands of people joined the rally as leading Democrats gave hard-hitting speeches together with several civil activists society including Dr Tun Sitthisomwong and former deputy national police chief Vasit Dejkunchorn.

Democrat MP from Trang Satit Wongnhongtaey declared: “We will fight on until we win. We have totally overcome fear and will seek justice for the country.”

Mr Suthep said opposition MPs had no choice but to fight the Amnesty Bill head on and he had kept his promise by “blowing the whistle” to urge people to join the protest.

He announced that the rally stage belonged to the Thai people, and not the Democrat Party.

However, he said earlier that his party, which holds minority votes in the Lower House, would spearhead a demonstration outside Parliament.

Some leading Democrats who spoke from the stage were party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva, Issara Somchai, former finance minister Korn Chatikavanij, Thaworn Senneam, Witthaya Kaewparadai, Akom Engchuan and Rangsima Rodrasamee.

The rally at Samsen was held simultaneously with the parliamentary debate on the Amnesty Bill for its second and third readings.

Several MPs had to travel back and forth between the rally site and Parliament to show up at both locations.

At Ramathibodi Hospital on Rama VI Road, about two kilometres from Samsen rally site, a group of doctors and medical officials gathered and moved to join another protesting venue at Urupong intersection.

Emeritus Prof Pramuan Virutamasen and Dr Tun from Chulalongkorn Hospital led the group to give moral support to protesters at Urupong and later joined the Samsen rally.

Dr Pramuan said his group could no longer tolerate the present situation in which the rule of law was ignored.

The group said it would launch anti-government campaign at Silom Road, a Bangkok’s business centre, on the weekend. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2013-11-01

[Pimay1]

How many mobile phones was it that Thailand's dear leader has? I expect every electric outlet in his suite has a charger plugged into it.

[fab4]

Ah yes. "The red shirts have total freedom of movement when they invade Bangkok" Would this be the same red shirts who were mown down by governments troops (court finding last month) in cold blood? Crimes committed for which nobody has been convicted. Some "freedom of movement"!

That's right Roger. The same red shirts that were and will be used by the Shin clan as cannon fodder. The same red shirts that were engaged in illegal looting, arson, assault and murdering security forces and innocent bystanders and who thought invading and terrorizing a hospital a good idea. The same red shirts who got the government to agree to their demands and then changed their minds at the behest of one man. The same red shirts who had some friends dressed in black.

The troops were acting because the RTP failed to do their duty, or even attempt to do it. Troops maintaining martial law is never going to end nicely, anywhere.

But, it takes two to tango.

Ah, Yes that hospital that was "terrorised" - one of the major spins of the democrat party at the time. Well you're be glad to know the "ever so apolitical"

"Emeritus Prof Pramuan Virutamasen and Dr Tun from Chulalongkorn Hospital led the group to give moral support to protesters at Urupong and later joined the Samsen rally".

Wonder how long it will be before they refuse to treat any police injured in any future clashes there may be?

Edited November 1, 2013 by fab4

[rubl]

Absolutely correct. BS story about the 'invaded' hospital. UDD leader Dr. weng was just pleazing all distracters when he apologized somewhat somehow, saying it's wasn't meant, not planned, some red-shirts a bit too enthousiastic and more over nothing was burned down, so so what.

Ah yes. "The red shirts have total freedom of movement when they invade Bangkok" Would this be the same red shirts who were mown down by governments troops (court finding last month) in cold blood? Crimes committed for which nobody has been convicted. Some "freedom of movement"!

That's right Roger. The same red shirts that were and will be used by the Shin clan as cannon fodder. The same red shirts that were engaged in illegal looting, arson, assault and murdering security forces and innocent bystanders and who thought invading and terrorizing a hospital a good idea. The same red shirts who got the government to agree to their demands and then changed their minds at the behest of one man. The same red shirts who had some friends dressed in black.

The troops were acting because the RTP failed to do their duty, or even attempt to do it. Troops maintaining martial law is never going to end nicely, anywhere.

But, it takes two to tango.

Ah, Yes that hospital that was "terrorised" - one of the major spins of the democrat party at the time. Well you're be glad to know the "ever so apolitical"

"Emeritus Prof Pramuan Virutamasen and Dr Tun from Chulalongkorn Hospital led the group to give moral support to protesters at Urupong and later joined the Samsen rally".

Wonder how long it will be before they refuse to treat any police injured in any future clashes there may be?

[khunken]

Absolutely correct. BS story about the 'invaded' hospital. UDD leader Dr. weng was just pleazing all distracters when he apologized somewhat somehow, saying it's wasn't meant, not planned, some red-shirts a bit too enthousiastic and more over nothing was burned down, so so what.

Ah yes. "The red shirts have total freedom of movement when they invade Bangkok" Would this be the same red shirts who were mown down by governments troops (court finding last month) in cold blood? Crimes committed for which nobody has been convicted. Some "freedom of movement"!

That's right Roger. The same red shirts that were and will be used by the Shin clan as cannon fodder. The same red shirts that were engaged in illegal looting, arson, assault and murdering security forces and innocent bystanders and who thought invading and terrorizing a hospital a good idea. The same red shirts who got the government to agree to their demands and then changed their minds at the behest of one man. The same red shirts who had some friends dressed in black.

The troops were acting because the RTP failed to do their duty, or even attempt to do it. Troops maintaining martial law is never going to end nicely, anywhere.

But, it takes two to tango.

Ah, Yes that hospital that was "terrorised" - one of the major spins of the democrat party at the time. Well you're be glad to know the "ever so apolitical"

"Emeritus Prof Pramuan Virutamasen and Dr Tun from Chulalongkorn Hospital led the group to give moral support to protesters at Urupong and later joined the Samsen rally".

Wonder how long it will be before they refuse to treat any police injured in any future clashes there may be?

Yes Rubl - it never happened according to a poster who spins propaganda even though the red shirts actually admitted that it was a 'mistake'.

On top of that we get conspiracy-style prognostications of the future - pretty crazy stuff.

I suppose that with so few sectors of Thai society providing any support for the 'gimmie back my money' bill, it's pretty difficult for the acolytes to drum up a half-decent argument.

[fab4]

Absolutely correct. BS story about the 'invaded' hospital. UDD leader Dr. weng was just pleazing all distracters when he apologized somewhat somehow, saying it's wasn't meant, not planned, some red-shirts a bit too enthousiastic and more over nothing was burned down, so so what.

Yes Rubl - it never happened according to a poster who spins propaganda even though the red shirts actually admitted that it was a 'mistake'.

On top of that we get conspiracy-style prognostications of the future - pretty crazy stuff.

I suppose that with so few sectors of Thai society providing any support for the 'gimmie back my money' bill, it's pretty difficult for the acolytes to drum up a half-decent argument.

I don't suppose you'll take any notice, and carry on with the hyperbole, but maybe read the following for a bit of balance. And yes I've seen the videos.

Chulalongkorn Hospital ensures its neutrality

MD Adisorn Patradul, Director of King Chulalongkorn Memorial Hospital gave an interview about the hospital service following a series of five explosions by M79 grenade at Sala Daeng Junction on Thursday, ensuring the Hospital's neutrality in providing medical services to all in need.

MD Adisorn called on protesters’ cooperation not to block the hospital entrances to let the officers and emergency patients easily make way to the emergency ward. He affirmed that the hospital remained non discrimination against all patients.

In addition, Chulalongkorn Hospital yesterday had agreed to let a group of protesters inspect the hospital buildings due to security concerns that their opponents might use the hospital as the rally dispersal base.

http://202.47.224.92/en/news.php?id=255304240039

Compare and contrast with the usual tale of hospital "invasion" normally bandied about

Chulalongkorn Hospital director Dr. Adisorn Patradul told Human Rights Watch

that on April 24, a group of UDD security guards and protesters armed with sharpened bamboo sticks entered and searched the hospital compound and the patient wards. The UDD group claimed they were checking whether the hospital was permitting members of the security forces or pro-government groups to hide in the hospital. Security concerns forced the hospital to temporarily shut down most of its services and relocate a number of patients. On April 29, UDD leader Phayap Panket led more than 300 "red shirts," some of them openly carrying sharpened bamboo stakes and sledgehammers, to again search the hospital. The protesters abducted two construction workers from the hospital, accused them of being plainclothes officers, and took them to the UDD camp at the Ratchaprasong intersection for interrogation.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/04/30/thailand-end-street-battles-bangkok

Same guy - radically different emphasis.

And if you want to read about spin in the psychological sense google Thongchai Winichakul on the Red “germs”.

Edited November 1, 2013 by fab4

[A1Str8]

I am wondering why those who want this bill to be passed don't join the protesters for a little while. I mean they as leaders love their people, no??? Well then go ahead talk to them. Have a little chit chat. Don't be scared of getting beaten up..you earned it.

[MikeOboe57]

Dear fab4,

if you could for a moment take off your red goggles and blinders you could easily see that there were two "visits" by red guards to the Chulalongkorn Hospital, on the 24th and on the 29th, the latter being that famous raid with abduction of two hospital workers.

Barrelburst.

Best regards

edit: typo

Edited November 1, 2013 by MikeOboe57

[rubl]

Absolutely correct. BS story about the 'invaded' hospital. UDD leader Dr. weng was just pleazing all distracters when he apologized somewhat somehow, saying it's wasn't meant, not planned, some red-shirts a bit too enthousiastic and more over nothing was burned down, so so what.

Yes Rubl - it never happened according to a poster who spins propaganda even though the red shirts actually admitted that it was a 'mistake'.

On top of that we get conspiracy-style prognostications of the future - pretty crazy stuff.

I suppose that with so few sectors of Thai society providing any support for the 'gimmie back my money' bill, it's pretty difficult for the acolytes to drum up a half-decent argument.

I don't suppose you'll take any notice, and carry on with the hyperbole, but maybe read the following for a bit of balance. And yes I've seen the videos.

Chulalongkorn Hospital ensures its neutrality

MD Adisorn Patradul, Director of King Chulalongkorn Memorial Hospital gave an interview about the hospital service following a series of five explosions by M79 grenade at Sala Daeng Junction on Thursday, ensuring the Hospital's neutrality in providing medical services to all in need.

MD Adisorn called on protesters’ cooperation not to block the hospital entrances to let the officers and emergency patients easily make way to the emergency ward. He affirmed that the hospital remained non discrimination against all patients.

In addition, Chulalongkorn Hospital yesterday had agreed to let a group of protesters inspect the hospital buildings due to security concerns that their opponents might use the hospital as the rally dispersal base.

http://202.47.224.92/en/news.php?id=255304240039

Compare and contrast with the usual tale of hospital "invasion" normally bandied about

You're absolutely right, my dear fabby. There is balance!

"On behalf of all leaders, I apologise to the public and Chulalongkorn Hospital for the incident," Weng Tojirakarn, a medical doctor, said."The situation got out of control. It is not our policy to obstruct hospital operations.""

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/We-re-sorry-we-raided-a-hospital-Dr-Weng-30128324.html

"A group of protesters, who have been dubbed Red Shirts because of their signature crimson clothes, broke into Chulalongkorn Hospital late Thursday amid rumours that security forces were preparing to launch an attack on the demonstrators from the facility.

The activists later withdrew to their nearby campsite after they failed to find any soldiers or police in the hospital compound."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/thai-protesters-storm-bangkok-hospital-1.931100

BTW comparing this atrocity with statements of other fools doesn't really make it much better, even on balance

PS before you start complaining about modified post, too many quotes I took out the last part which wasn't related to the topic anyway.

[mikemac]

You're absolutely right, my dear fabby. There is balance!

"On behalf of all leaders, I apologise to the public and Chulalongkorn Hospital for the incident," Weng Tojirakarn, a medical doctor, said."The situation got out of control. It is not our policy to obstruct hospital operations.""

http://www.nationmul...g-30128324.html

"A group of protesters, who have been dubbed Red Shirts because of their signature crimson clothes, broke into Chulalongkorn Hospital late Thursday amid rumours that security forces were preparing to launch an attack on the demonstrators from the facility.

The activists later withdrew to their nearby campsite after they failed to find any soldiers or police in the hospital compound."

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...spital-1.931100

BTW comparing this atrocity with statements of other fools doesn't really make it much better, even on balance

PS before you start complaining about modified post, too many quotes I took out the last part which wasn't related to the topic anyway.

Good post rubl, but a shame your comments will probably fall on deaf troll ears.

I am reminded of the quote by George Carlin — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

[siampolee]

I am wondering why those who want this bill to be passed don't join the protesters for a little while. I mean they as leaders love their people, no??? Well then go ahead talk to them. Have a little chit chat. Don't be scared of getting beaten up..you earned it.

No doubt if the opportunity arose for the Red Shirt zealots posting here to actually attend a demonstration they would find other more pressing matter s to occupy their time or plead that they didn't understand what was being said.

The threats and the atmosphere last time round to non Thai's was decidedly unpleasant being in the middle of a Red Shirt enclave as I and we were one saw the malevolent hatred against all things non Thai and the looting of a 7-11 along with the burning out of an office and depot of the electricity authority and the levy (extortion) of '' entry and exit taxes'' upon local people on a daily basis

Somehow though I don't think that any of the Red Shirt zealots here have never had any real contact with the average Thai and thus are not to well acquainted with the reality of that which the average Thai person has regarding Thaksin and co.

One can see it now as a Red Shirt leader walks up to these cyber world Red Shirt zealots posting here.

Red Shirt leader. I am the leader here, what fabulous 4 steps do you want to take concerning our cause.?

The Red Shirt zealots. Oh ( cur) sir blooming great big steps to the rear of this demonstration please we don't have the courage to face possible convictions concerning riotous behavior.

[mikemac]

The threats and the atmosphere last time round to non Thai's was decidedly unpleasant being in the middle of a Red Shirt enclave as I and we were one saw the malevolent hatred against all things non Thai and the looting of a 7-11 along with the burning out of an office and depot of the electricity authority and the levy (extortion) of '' entry and exit taxes'' upon local people on a daily basis

Your comment reminded me of the day my wife and I tried to cross the Nawarat Bridge in Chiang Mai, on our way home only to be detoured. Some pack of morons had set fire to big stack of tires in the middle of the bridge so the road was closed. Real smart move, I wonder if the instructions to do so came from Dubai or did these dropkicks dream up the idea themselves.

Eventually we got on to Thapae Road to see a couple of redshirts attacking the ATM in front of the Bangkok Bank, one of them armed with a sledge hammer. The bank staff were running for their lives from the bank, probably thinking they would be attacked next.

I have hated these pieces of s##t redshirts ever since that day, and have little time for anyone dimwitted enough to support them or the dirtbag who funded them.

[Robby nz]

It should also be noted that the Supreme Patriarch was also in the hospital at the time of the invasion and had to be moved out for his safety.

I wonder if these good Buddhist peaceful protesters Wai'd him as he was wheeled out?

[hellodolly]

Ah yes. "The red shirts have total freedom of movement when they invade Bangkok" Would this be the same red shirts who were mown down by governments troops (court finding last month) in cold blood? Crimes committed for which nobody has been convicted. Some "freedom of movement"!

That's right Roger. The same red shirts that were and will be used by the Shin clan as cannon fodder. The same red shirts that were engaged in illegal looting, arson, assault and murdering security forces and innocent bystanders and who thought invading and terrorizing a hospital a good idea. The same red shirts who got the government to agree to their demands and then changed their minds at the behest of one man. The same red shirts who had some friends dressed in black.

The troops were acting because the RTP failed to do their duty, or even attempt to do it. Troops maintaining martial law is never going to end nicely, anywhere.

But, it takes two to tango.

Ah, Yes that hospital that was "terrorised" - one of the major spins of the democrat party at the time. Well you're be glad to know the "ever so apolitical"

"Emeritus Prof Pramuan Virutamasen and Dr Tun from Chulalongkorn Hospital led the group to give moral support to protesters at Urupong and later joined the Samsen rally".

Wonder how long it will be before they refuse to treat any police injured in any future clashes there may be?

Just how do you figure it was a spin. Are you saying it never happened.

Why do I feel like Calgary ll has been reserected every time you post.

[mikemac]

Just how do you figure it was a spin. Are you saying it never happened.

Why do I feel like Calgary ll has been reserected every time you post.

You are not the only one with that feeling, hd. I was tipped off about our friend who has resurfaced under a different identity.

Not only a troll but a banned troll posting the same tired old rubbish under a new name. Will miss him when he is gone, not !