Labour Government’s Bold Claim to “honesty with voters” Has Unraveled Quickly

[cheshiremusicman]

This morning, I ran in Cha am forest park: disaster ! many, many trees down, some very big ; yesterday, I was in the center, Lotus express , Cj express, in front of the fresh market, crossfire, Petchkasem : water everywhere, about 30 cms; no pictures, sorry, but very impressive: this morning, much better

Some pics of the storm damage near Soi 126 south of Hua-Hin. Hopefully no one was taking shelter when this tree crushed the shelter and seat.

[Patje]

No ,

Hua Hin in chaos after heavy rains and strong winds

Hua Hin was thrown into chaos on Friday after the famous resort town was lashed with strong winds and heavy rains for hours resulting to widespread flooding and blackout.

Mayor Nopporn Wutthikul said that the turbulent weather was the worst in 60 years.

More than 100 trees were uprooted and over 50 houses were damaged, he added.

The town was struck by strong winds and torrential rains since 3 a.m. in the morning which lasted for several hours. The rains caused flooding measured at between 30-50 centimetres on the main Petkasem highway stretching several kilometers long.

Power cables snapped by fallen trees causing complete outage affecting the whole town. Cooking at homes became impossible sending a lot of people to queue up in front of convenience stores to buy instant food only to find out that several stores were also closed because their calculating machines were not functioning.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/hua-hin-chaos-heavy-rains-strong-winds/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=hua-hin-chaos-heavy-rains-strong-winds

--Thai PBS 2013-11-08

Does this mean the Mayor is about 80 years old then??

Hua Hin in chaos after heavy rains and strong winds

Hua Hin was thrown into chaos on Friday after the famous resort town was lashed with strong winds and heavy rains for hours resulting to widespread flooding and blackout.

Mayor Nopporn Wutthikul said that the turbulent weather was the worst in 60 years.

More than 100 trees were uprooted and over 50 houses were damaged, he added.

The town was struck by strong winds and torrential rains since 3 a.m. in the morning which lasted for several hours. The rains caused flooding measured at between 30-50 centimetres on the main Petkasem highway stretching several kilometers long.

Power cables snapped by fallen trees causing complete outage affecting the whole town. Cooking at homes became impossible sending a lot of people to queue up in front of convenience stores to buy instant food only to find out that several stores were also closed because their calculating machines were not functioning.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/hua-hin-chaos-heavy-rains-strong-winds/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=hua-hin-chaos-heavy-rains-strong-winds

--Thai PBS 2013-11-08

Does this mean the Mayor is about 80 years old then??

No , but he probably got it from elderly people or even from archives from news-papers, they are around more then a couple of years .....

[thaimat]

No climate change due to man? Really? Have you seen pictures of the polar caps lately? Or the massive global air pollution? Rain forests stripped at an alarming rate. Or just take a look at the beaches in Thailand. No man made garbage there? Wake up.

Since virtually every corporate funded climate change research has been done to disprove that climate change is man made, and 97% of these studies which have been peer reviewed say that climate change is man made, one has to wonder how any intelligent person could call it a hoax.

[Jib Teenuc]

No climate change due to man? Really? Have you seen pictures of the polar caps lately? Or the massive global air pollution? Rain forests stripped at an alarming rate. Or just take a look at the beaches in Thailand. No man made garbage there? Wake up.

Since virtually every corporate funded climate change research has been done to disprove that climate change is man made, and 97% of these studies which have been peer reviewed say that climate change is man made, one has to wonder how any intelligent person could call it a hoax.

I'm intelligent.

Very (relatively) intelligent (absolutely no doubt about it – my teachers and peers appear to never tire of reminding me).

I can also be stupid (deliberate, as the opportunity arises) and remiss at times, which is not deliberate and can cause me some embarrassment.

However, it is not so much a hoax as a confidence trick promoted by the self-serving and the ignorant “The Sky Is Falling” Chicken-Lickens.

The "facts" don't stack up at all. Mankind's contribution to global warming (which I don't dispute is occurring) is FACTUALLY proven t be around 0.02% of the "problem".

The vast majority of the “problem” lies with methane, produced by almost every living organism from cattle to bacteria (don't believe me? neglect to brush your teeth for a few days and see how badly your breath smells.....that smell is the methane produced by the bacteria you haven't brushed away).

0.02%.......Think about that for a moment or two.

The pro-climate change protagonists "experts" (each with their own financial axe to grind, from being employed by the corporations who benefit from renewable energy systems to being members of government funded study-centres to authors and media darlings who make their money from book sales and TV appearances) have been shown to have exchanged emails and telephone calls (not taking account face-to-face conversations) proving that they do their utmost to "bury" any evidence to the contrary position that man-made contributions towards climate change is of import rather than being negligible (if even that).

I have no axe to grind at all.

I only wish I COULD make a difference, through my behavioural choices, to slow down or reverse the global warming “phenomenon”. But I can’t (and neither can you).

But having "intelligently" and (more importantly, perhaps, sans bias) examined the evidence available, only a fool could fail to draw the conclusion that climate change is inevitable and as surely as winter follows summer, the forecast cosmic heat-wave we are slowly heading for will be followed by a gradual descent into another ice-age. Such patterns shall be repeated ad-infinitum until mankind has already left planet earth for a younger and/or more stable abode or wiped itself out through an explosive or germ produced almighty cock-up (we’ve even tracked and traced all cosmic bodies above a kilometre in diameter floating around the solar system and can confirm that none have an orbit that will connect with our own for at least the next two hundred years – by which time Bruce Willis’s great, great, great, great, great grandson will hopefully have obtained his pilots licence).

So, for now, I’m just gonna enjoy the warmer winters.

Just make sure you live around 8 metres above current sea level and you'll never have a problem, anyway.

Chawk-Dee.

Jib.

[thaimat]

No climate change due to man? Really? Have you seen pictures of the polar caps lately? Or the massive global air pollution? Rain forests stripped at an alarming rate. Or just take a look at the beaches in Thailand. No man made garbage there? Wake up.

Since virtually every corporate funded climate change research has been done to disprove that climate change is man made, and 97% of these studies which have been peer reviewed say that climate change is man made, one has to wonder how any intelligent person could call it a hoax.

I'm intelligent.

Very (relatively) intelligent (absolutely no doubt about it – my teachers and peers appear to never tire of reminding me).

I can also be stupid (deliberate, as the opportunity arises) and remiss at times, which is not deliberate and can cause me some embarrassment.

However, it is not so much a hoax as a confidence trick promoted by the self-serving and the ignorant “The Sky Is Falling” Chicken-Lickens. Wow, there's an objective statement backed up by facts and sources!

The "facts" don't stack up at all. Mankind's contribution to global warming (which I don't dispute is occurring) is FACTUALLY proven t be around 0.02% of the "problem". Factually proven by who, Oil, Auto or Coal Industry financed studies? Since virtually every national and international scientific group with an independent peer review process, that has studied and published on this topic, states the exact opposite, I'm wondering if you get this from Faux News, the info source for science, logic, and facts-in-general deniers?

The vast majority of the “problem” lies with methane, produced by almost every living organism from cattle to bacteria (don't believe me? neglect to brush your teeth for a few days and see how badly your breath smells.....that smell is the methane produced by the bacteria you haven't brushed away).

0.02%.......Think about that for a moment or two.

The pro-climate change protagonists "experts" (each with their own financial axe to grind, from being employed by the corporations who benefit from renewable energy systems to being members of government funded study-centres to authors and media darlings who make their money from book sales and TV appearances) have been shown to have exchanged emails and telephone calls (not taking account face-to-face conversations) proving that they do their utmost to "bury" any evidence to the contrary position that man-made contributions towards climate change is of import rather than being negligible (if even that).

The number of corporations who "benefit from renewable energy systems" is so infinitesimally small, as is their budgets, compared to the number and wealth/power of corporations who have a decided vested interest in making sure that climate change is blamed on anything other than man. I would doubt that anyone could honestly say that such scientific organizations as the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) which has 2,000 scientists, NASA, The Union of Concerned Scientists UCS, American Meteorological Society, American Association for the Advancement of Science, U.S. National Academy of Sciences, as well as the National Academy of Sciences of 16 other nations are all biased to blame weather on man, regardless of scientific research findings. None of these groups of scientists have the bias or the money that opponents of climate change science such as the American Koch Industries, which handed out $67 million to groups who do their all to thwart any climate change science findings that point to us as the cause. In 1995, the corporate controlled GOP in America passed a 21 Billion dollar appropriations bill that specifically prohibited the US Environmental Protection Agency from doing any research whatsoever on climate change. An industry backed PR umbrella group called the GCC, Global Climate Coalition, (whose chairman is an executive with the American Petroleum Institute), and has been very well funded by companies such as Amoco, the American Forest & Paper Association, American Petroleum Institute,Chevron, Chrysler, Cyprus AMAX Minerals, Exxon, Ford, General Motors, Shell Oil, Texaco, and the highly biased US Chamber of Commerce, all with a serious axe to grind against unbiased climate change research, was formed to promote anti climate change views, and to spend vast sums of money on PR and advertising campaigns against any and all scientific studies that they perceived as harmful to their industry members. Yet in spite of the backing of most of the richest and most powerful corporations in the world, they were not able to publish a single peer reviewed scientific report that verified their, and your, claims. (Your views are an almost verbatim rehash of theirs). The GCC fought against any industry standard changes that reduce greenhouse emissions,claiming, as you did, that the earth's weather had nothing to do with man, so, (as you imply), everyone should just go back to sleep, there's nothing you can do about it.

I have no axe to grind at all.

I only wish I COULD make a difference, through my behavioural choices, to slow down or reverse the global warming “phenomenon”. But I can’t (and neither can you).

But having "intelligently" and (more importantly, perhaps, sans bias) examined the evidence available, only a fool could fail to draw the conclusion that climate change is inevitable and as surely as winter follows summer, the forecast cosmic heat-wave we are slowly heading for will be followed by a gradual descent into another ice-age. Such patterns shall be repeated ad-infinitum until mankind has already left planet earth for a younger and/or more stable abode or wiped itself out through an explosive or germ produced almighty cock-up (we’ve even tracked and traced all cosmic bodies above a kilometre in diameter floating around the solar system and can confirm that none have an orbit that will connect with our own for at least the next two hundred years – by which time Bruce Willis’s great, great, great, great, great grandson will hopefully have obtained his pilots licence).

So, for now, I’m just gonna enjoy the warmer winters.

Just make sure you live around 8 metres above current sea level and you'll never have a problem, anyway.

Chawk-Dee.

Jib.