Abhisit says Tarit framed him, Suthep over 2010 riots

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Abhisit says Tarit framed him, Suthep over 2010 riots
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Department of Special Investigation director-general Tarit Pengdith skewed the facts in order to frame suspects who are the subject of criminal indictments relating to the 2010 riots, the Democrat Party leader told a court Monday.

The Criminal Court convened an inquiry session to hear Abhisit Vejjajiva testifying as plaintiff, before deciding whether his suit against Tarit would merit judicial review.

"The state of emergency was declared in the face of havoc wreaked by armed men in black, but this fact was omitted from the prosecution statement against me," Abhisit said.

Abhisit contends that Tarit abused his power by fabricating criminal indictments against him, as the then prime minister, and his then deputy, Suthep Thaugsuban, in relation to deaths that occurred during the riots.

In his statement to the court, he said that only the National Counter Corruption Commission had a mandate to prosecute political office holders.

He voiced suspicion that the DSI and the Office of the Attorney General had conspired to frame him and Suthep in order to pressure opposition lawmakers to accept the amnesty bill.

One month before the indictments were issued, Cabinet member Chalerm Yoobamrung revealed in the House that he had inside information about the pending charges, Abhisit said.

-- The Nation 2013-11-19

[Thai at Heart]

So no statement to claim that the charges themselves are bogus or that his orders were legal?

I wonder if this guy is as smart as we are led to believe. Framed or not, where is the order that he gave to shoot unarmed civilians?

[mmh8]

it was not me

[jaidam]

When common sense prevails over the cult of Thaksin, and it will, I would not like to be in Tarit's shoes. As a leader of CRES that ordered the well deserved crackdown on violent insurrectionists back in 2010, and then as part of Thaksin's goon squad that persecutes the leaders of CRES for having done the cracking down he is several shades of wrong however you look at it.

[angsta]

For a man who is so keen on accountability well he doesn't seem very erghhh accountable.

Wasn't this all on his watch? Now I know he didn't dirty his hands by winning an election or anything but still?

[mca]

I wonder if this guy is as smart as we are led to believe.

In any decent political spectrum Abhisit would be hard pushed to get appointed junior minister for filling in the holes in the road or similar. Possibly he could be mayor of a small provincial town. Unfortunately for Thailand when compared to the Fraggle Rock extras and other assorted detritus that inhabit the Thaksin side of things he appears as the shining light. Which is rather depressing for the country as a whole.

Thailand deserves so much better than any of them. It's the silent majority I feel for. Decent people just wanting to get on with their lives. They must look around or watch the news and think " Not again <deleted>"

Edited November 18, 2013 by mca

[Thai at Heart]

I wonder if this guy is as smart as we are led to believe.

In any decent political spectrum Abhisit would be hard pushed to get appointed junior minister for filling in the holes in the road or similar. Possibly he could be mayor of a small provincial town. Unfortunately for Thailand when compared to the Fraggle Rock extras and other assorted detritus that inhabit the Thaksin side of things he appears as the shining light. Which is rather depressing for the country as a whole.

Thailand deserves so much better than any of them. It's the silent majority I feel for. Decent people just wanting to get on with their lives. They must look around or watch the news and think " Not again <deleted>"

Look, the guy went to eton and Oxford. He's been in debating societies, ethics classes, legal logic classes etc. He is academically way up there, and yet he appears very slow witted and predictable.

He pipes up he was set up, when all he has to ask "where is the order he gave to shoot people, under which circumstances?". This would be perfect for him because ptp have forgiven the army arbitrarily, when the fault is theirs.

He really should dare ptp to go after the army....

[FarangTalk]

I wonder if this guy is as smart as we are led to believe.

In any decent political spectrum Abhisit would be hard pushed to get appointed junior minister for filling in the holes in the road or similar. Possibly he could be mayor of a small provincial town. Unfortunately for Thailand when compared to the Fraggle Rock extras and other assorted detritus that inhabit the Thaksin side of things he appears as the shining light. Which is rather depressing for the country as a whole.

Thailand deserves so much better than any of them. It's the silent majority I feel for. Decent people just wanting to get on with their lives. They must look around or watch the news and think " Not again <deleted>"

I've never understood why people believe the Thai electorate deserve better. Every single one of them would be enjoying the benefits of the corruption by Thais in such positions, given the chance, as it is throughout Thai society from the lowly Policeman on the street all the way up to the cabinet.

In my opinion they get the politicians they so richly deserve (pun intended).

[Thait Spot]

Tarit and the DSI have rules that they need to follow and legal processes and procedures that also need to be adhered to.

If this case is kicked out as it seems engineered to do so, it will be to the detriment of the of the deceased and their families and very clearly the fault of Tarit who should equally have been held accountable

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[Nowhereman60]

I've been framed. I've been framed. Well AV now you know how Thaskin feels.

[Thai at Heart]

Tarit and the DSI have rules that they need to follow and legal processes and procedures that also need to be adhered to.

If this case is kicked out as it seems engineered to do so, it will be to the detriment of the of the deceased and their families and very clearly the fault of Tarit who should equally have been held accountable

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Well the dsi has largely concluded that the guys holding the guns didn't kill anyone, but that through some amazing hypnotic power abhisit and Suthep did.

So laughing at tarits legalese isn't too difficult.

[Roadman]

I've been framed. I've been framed. Well AV now you know how Thaskin feels.

Thaksin framed...really?

The moon is made of cheese as well.

[waza]

This topic certainly has the redshirt choir out and in full song. It is obvious that not only has Tarit of the DSI overstepped his authority but he is also manipulating and inventing facts to do the bidding of his new political masters.

[Curt1591]

…. inventing facts ....

Like mysterious "armed men in black" ?

[ChrisY1]

I've been framed. I've been framed. Well AV now you know how Thaskin feels.

Sure......

Some people just don't get it eh???

Red through and through.......and blind to boot....read the history of why Thaksin was charged and consequently, convicted.....!

[Robby nz]

Look, the guy went to eton and Oxford. He's been in debating societies, ethics classes, legal logic classes etc. He is academically way up there, and yet he appears very slow witted and predictable.

He pipes up he was set up, when all he has to ask "where is the order he gave to shoot people, under which circumstances?". This would be perfect for him because ptp have forgiven the army arbitrarily, when the fault is theirs.

He really should dare ptp to go after the army....

Hay Thai at heart that's not what he is doing right now.

He is not defending himself against any charges he is after Tarit for twisting facts in order to frame him, different things.

Now, provided the charges are accepted, Tarit has to come forth and prove that everything he used in pushing the indictments is true.

Do you think he will be able to do that ?

[Thai at Heart]

Look, the guy went to eton and Oxford. He's been in debating societies, ethics classes, legal logic classes etc. He is academically way up there, and yet he appears very slow witted and predictable.

He pipes up he was set up, when all he has to ask "where is the order he gave to shoot people, under which circumstances?". This would be perfect for him because ptp have forgiven the army arbitrarily, when the fault is theirs.

He really should dare ptp to go after the army....

Hay Thai at heart that's not what he is doing right now.

He is not defending himself against any charges he is after Tarit for twisting facts in order to frame him, different things.

Now, provided the charges are accepted, Tarit has to come forth and prove that everything he used in pushing the indictments is true.

Do you think he will be able to do that ?

What different facts? By going down this path he is inviting himself to court. He can't justify people getting shot because the black shirts were there. Shooting unarmed people isn't justified.

Or does he think it's OK that so many unarmed people for injured because the black shirts were around?, hardly a very clever argument.

No it's not OK that unarmed protestors got shot, so don't even justify it. Just state "I didn't order anyone to shoot any anarmed people. Go speak to the army".

[virtualtraveller]

Abhisit gets a raspberry for stating the obvious.

If ever there is a change of power Tarit would be best advised to take an extended holiday in exile, he's not got much future in public office here. Likely to have charges brought against him.

[tominbkk]

So no statement to claim that the charges themselves are bogus or that his orders were legal?

I wonder if this guy is as smart as we are led to believe. Framed or not, where is the order that he gave to shoot unarmed civilians?

Correction: mostly unarmed protestors with armed protestors interspersed taking pot shots at the army. As well, the protestors used rocket launchers, had snipers, were threatening to burn down BKK with a million liters of gasoline (see my sig), were raiding and holding hostages of patients in hospitals, threatened to derail the skytrain, burned down a shopping mall, raided a market and killed two market workers, burned up buses, threatened to set tankers of fuel on fire in the middle of town, destroyed city buses, ambushed the PM on several cases attempting to kill him, raided an international meeting in Pattaya with the intent to take hostages or possibly kill participants.

The list really does go on and on, but I think it proves the point that the government had infinite patience with these thugs and let them kill and destroy things like dirty little spoiled children would do, until they decided it was time to end the nonsense. They gave the protestors plenty of warning, and when the police moved in they were shot at, so returned fire. The Reds decided at that point to act like mercenaries and paid the price. Now that it's over they want to be labelled protesters again. Sorry, guys, you can't have it both ways. Those of us who were here and saw everything go down know exactly what happened.

I commend the anti amnesty protestors for how organized and peaceful they are. They show how to stage a protest, and not a mob scene. My fear is the red thugs are chomping on their bit to get in and smash things. Knowing them though that will be their default move.

[Thai at Heart]

So no statement to claim that the charges themselves are bogus or that his orders were legal?

I wonder if this guy is as smart as we are led to believe. Framed or not, where is the order that he gave to shoot unarmed civilians?

Correction: mostly unarmed protestors with armed protestors interspersed taking pot shots at the army. As well, the protestors used rocket launchers, had snipers, were threatening to burn down BKK with a million liters of gasoline (see my sig), were raiding and holding hostages of patients in hospitals, threatened to derail the skytrain, burned down a shopping mall, raided a market and killed two market workers, burned up buses, threatened to set tankers of fuel on fire in the middle of town, destroyed city buses, ambushed the PM on several cases attempting to kill him, raided an international meeting in Pattaya with the intent to take hostages or possibly kill participants.

The list really does go on and on, but I think it proves the point that the government had infinite patience with these thugs and let them kill and destroy things like dirty little spoiled children would do, until they decided it was time to end the nonsense. They gave the protestors plenty of warning, and when the police moved in they were shot at, so returned fire. The Reds decided at that point to act like mercenaries and paid the price. Now that it's over they want to be labelled protesters again. Sorry, guys, you can't have it both ways. Those of us who were here and saw everything go down know exactly what happened.

I commend the anti amnesty protestors for how organized and peaceful they are. They show how to stage a protest, and not a mob scene. My fear is the red thugs are chomping on their bit to get in and smash things. Knowing them though that will be their default move.

Abhisits defence is that he didn't tell the army to shoot anyone who wasn't a provable threat.

The obligation is on the army to price they complied with the roe, not abhisit.

Or do you think abhisit is that dumb that he signed an order allowing the army to randomly shoot who they liked with impunity? I don't think so.

Tarit has almost no legal basis to go after abhisit but he has to because they have had to let the army off the hook. How did abhisut kill anyone? Telekinesis?

[bigbamboo]

When common sense prevails over the cult of Thaksin, and it will, I would not like to be in Tarit's shoes. As a leader of CRES that ordered the well deserved crackdown on violent insurrectionists back in 2010, and then as part of Thaksin's goon squad that persecutes the leaders of CRES for having done the cracking down he is several shades of wrong however you look at it.

Tart is playing a risky game here. He wont be able to remain hiding down the back of Thaksin's trousers when Abhisit comes to trial. Even some of the red shirt families were after his blood.

[mca]

I wonder if this guy is as smart as we are led to believe.

In any decent political spectrum Abhisit would be hard pushed to get appointed junior minister for filling in the holes in the road or similar. Possibly he could be mayor of a small provincial town. Unfortunately for Thailand when compared to the Fraggle Rock extras and other assorted detritus that inhabit the Thaksin side of things he appears as the shining light. Which is rather depressing for the country as a whole.

Thailand deserves so much better than any of them. It's the silent majority I feel for. Decent people just wanting to get on with their lives. They must look around or watch the news and think " Not again <deleted>"

I've never understood why people believe the Thai electorate deserve better. Every single one of them would be enjoying the benefits of the corruption by Thais in such positions, given the chance, as it is throughout Thai society from the lowly Policeman on the street all the way up to the cabinet.

In my opinion they get the politicians they so richly deserve (pun intended).

Every single one of them? Pretty wide brush you're painting an entire people with wouldnt you say?

[Thainy Tim]

So no statement to claim that the charges themselves are bogus or that his orders were legal?

I wonder if this guy is as smart as we are led to believe. Framed or not, where is the order that he gave to shoot unarmed civilians?

This hearing is not related directly to the case of the shootings.

This is a lawsuit against Tarit accusing him of trumping up the charges and fixing the facts so they could be charged.

Abhisit is the plaintiff, not the accused.

[Thai at Heart]

So no statement to claim that the charges themselves are bogus or that his orders were legal?

I wonder if this guy is as smart as we are led to believe. Framed or not, where is the order that he gave to shoot unarmed civilians?

This hearing is not related directly to the case of the shootings.

This is a lawsuit against Tarit accusing him of trumping up the charges and fixing the facts so they could be charged.

Abhisit is the plaintiff, not the accused.

Point taken, my mistake. Strange defence from abhisit... how can this court rule that evidence has been fabricated if the other car hasn't be heard? What evidence?

I love how Thailand continues to create these legal incongruities.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Thai at Heart

[Spare]

Tarit and the DSI have rules that they need to follow and legal processes and procedures that also need to be adhered to.

If this case is kicked out as it seems engineered to do so, it will be to the detriment of the of the deceased and their families and very clearly the fault of Tarit who should equally have been held accountable

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Well the dsi has largely concluded that the guys holding the guns didn't kill anyone, but that through some amazing hypnotic power abhisit and Suthep did.

So laughing at tarits legalese isn't too difficult.

In a murder case, the one that open fire and the guy giving the order share equal responsibility.

[Thainy Tim]

I've been framed. I've been framed. Well AV now you know how Thaskin feels.

My friend... You are far too immature to comment on politics. All your posts are what I would expect from my teenage children who equally don't have the first clue about politics.

May I suggest the Classifieds section?

[Thai at Heart]

Tarit and the DSI have rules that they need to follow and legal processes and procedures that also need to be adhered to.

If this case is kicked out as it seems engineered to do so, it will be to the detriment of the of the deceased and their families and very clearly the fault of Tarit who should equally have been held accountable

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Well the dsi has largely concluded that the guys holding the guns didn't kill anyone, but that through some amazing hypnotic power abhisit and Suthep did.

So laughing at tarits legalese isn't too difficult.

In a murder case, the one that open fire and the guy giving the order share equal responsibility.

Not at all, in any way shape or form. That is nonsense.

And definitely not if the guy pulling the trigger doesn't do so in accordance with his orders.

[Thainy Tim]

So no statement to claim that the charges themselves are bogus or that his orders were legal?

I wonder if this guy is as smart as we are led to believe. Framed or not, where is the order that he gave to shoot unarmed civilians?

This hearing is not related directly to the case of the shootings.

This is a lawsuit against Tarit accusing him of trumping up the charges and fixing the facts so they could be charged.

Abhisit is the plaintiff, not the accused.

Point taken, my mistake. Strange defence from abhisit... how can this court rule that evidence has been fabricated if the other car hasn't be heard? What evidence?

I love how Thailand continues to create these legal incongruities.

It's more of an pre-hearing to decide if the case has enough merit for an case to be tabled by the court.

I am sure there would have been a lot more things used, just not reported in detail.

I hope they do indict Tarit, that means that the cases against AV and ST should be thrown straight out.

That would be yet another classic backfire. If Tarit ended up in prison over it, then all the more delicious.

[TomTao]

I've been framed. I've been framed. Well AV now you know how Thaskin feels.

Abhisit is standing in court, in Thailand. Where is Thaksin?

[Nickymaster]

Tarit and the DSI have rules that they need to follow and legal processes and procedures that also need to be adhered to.

If this case is kicked out as it seems engineered to do so, it will be to the detriment of the of the deceased and their families and very clearly the fault of Tarit who should equally have been held accountable

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Well the dsi has largely concluded that the guys holding the guns didn't kill anyone, but that through some amazing hypnotic power abhisit and Suthep did.

So laughing at tarits legalese isn't too difficult.

In a murder case, the one that open fire and the guy giving the order share equal responsibility.

Really? Let me give you a difficult question. In your logic, please explain why the military is cleared already.